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Catalonia, Belgium rather than Flanders, Canada rather than Quebec, and United States rather than California, I do not understand why the United Kingdom should not exist there. I support using "Cardiff, Wales, Edinburgh, Scotland, London, England" in text, but if there is a table/list with only the sovereign states so "held tours in France, Belgium, Germany etc" or as in a table (in which I believe the IP edits were) the UK should be used. If a constituent country is used individually in text then that is fine, but if clearly alongside independent countries the UK should be used. Listing the constituent countries alongside independent ones gives the impression that they are/should be independent which is also not neutral. Bombay was not part of the UK proper, and I believe places not part of the country proper, so territories etc, should be referred individually, but Scotland is part of the UK proper, as is Catalonia with Spain and Flanders with Belgium. If we are basing this on "offensiveness" then "Belgium", "Spain" and the United States (Hawaii etc) to a degree should be referred to by their subdivisions too to not offend those wishing they were independent. I guess Quebec too over Canada, Corsica over France and Veneto over Italy. I oppose the accusation those supporting sovereign states are "imposing their own ideology", it is like accusing those supporting individual countries as imposing their ideology that the UK doesn't/shouldn't exist. I recommend raising this discussion at relevant talk pages again as I doubt many IPs would respond again.
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I've seen your edits. Thanks for the improvements. I've tried uploading a cover photo for the infobox and it's proving nigh impossible (I don't remember how I managed to do it last time with a similar case: non-free album cover). I tried manually entering the relevant tag
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I've gone ahead and removed Setlist.fm as a source, and changed it to reflect the tour's first show in Tampa. Some of the songs in the changes for the listing are unlinked, so I'll leave that for others to work on.
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