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terms of boxing biographies in particular where boxrec comes into it's own is with a boxers earlier record. These shows are often not covered by the local or national media and the only online historical record is boxrec. As a boxer becomes better known and more famous, the local press start picking up on the fact and start reporting in which case an editor can start using these new sources as a reference. Some boxers are lucky of course, they have had a significant amateur career which has gained significant coverage therefore boxrec can be used as a back up to the other published data. Others however, haven't had any sort of amateur career and the first time anyone will really write about them is if they fight for a local or national title, usually after having already had around 10-15 fights on small hall shows, in these instances you'd be left with a whole section of the article which is unsourced except for boxrec

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sources. However even on a featured article which is well referenced from elsewhere, there is still a strong possibility that some fights on that persons record could not be cross referenced with other published material. Therefore I think you need to put boxrec into context and use an argument of what's reasonable to expect. Boxrec perhaps wouldn't be the best reference for a title fight but it might be the only reference for a boxers first fight and therein lies the difference, one is notable and the other is not. You'd only really need to mention the boxers first fight if they become notable and by then it's too late because when the boxer was fighting that first time nobody knew how good they would be so no published media wrote about them. This is why Boxrec plays such a crucial role for promoters and for editors like myself who tend to edit material on boxing. Okay off to work now, real life is calling ;)

4402:'s page, it is acceptable to indicate the he gained his US citizenship thru permanent residency in the United States. Filipino citizenship should be listed first because he is a true-blooded Filipino by descent and by birth. In the tables (Professional boxing record of opponents, list of current world boxing champions, Ring Magazine pound for pound), only the flag of the boxer's first, primary and original nationality should be shown if the format only allows one flag of nationality and not the gained nationality, unless if the boxer renounced his first nationality the gained nationality will be replaced. So the name Nonito Donaire in every tables of any wiki pages should be incorporated with the flag of his first, primary and original nationality which is the Philippine flag.-- 5258:

Kiatwanchai, Samart Payakerun, Samarn Sor Chatterung, and Sirimongkol Singwancha 2 titles. Additional Thai fighters also picked up 4 W.B.C.International titles and 4 W.B.U TITLES during the spell. Atkinson't biggest win was probably Samarn Sor Chatterung, a 20-1 underdog coming from behind to knock out Mexican legend Humberto Gonzalez in 8 rounds in Los Angeles to win the W.B.C. lt Flyeight title. Atkinson mixed training fighters with acting as a boxing advisor to Granada T.V. in the U.K. from 1986 to 1996. In 2011 he was contacted by an Indian Co. Olympic Gold Quest which sponsors Indian Sports stars to work with 5 time World Amateur female Boxing Champion, M.C. Mary Kom in Mumbai. He remains in the Olympic Gold Qest team

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unsourced holes in a whole bunch of articles. Using the 'inaccurate' argument it can also be argued that numerous British newspapers should also give themselves the same caveat that they too could be possibly inaccurate and/or incomplete. When it comes to boxing there simply isn't any other reliable source for historical boxing records, I feel that the people who should know are the promoters and they use it and say it's invaluable, or at least according to the seconds out article they do. Plus again, I have to repeat, the evidence can often by found in the cross checking, when an additional source does mention a fight it checks out with what Boxrec has on there

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twice, I had previously restored it by going back to an older reversion, but the user clearly doesn't want to use the talk page. Thus, due to his "my POV its undoubtly correct" approach, I protected the article for a bit. The protection will be completely removed once we get a concensus to quote. its protected for the time being. Now, if we are recognizing the "ABCs + Lineals" in Pacquiao's case (as everybody seems to be doing) then I see no problem with a "major + minor" table as long as its explicitly clear which ones are minors. -

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brother Mike. During that period fighters such as John Conteh, Tony Sibson, Herol Graham and Leon Spinks appeared at the old arena. First boxer to sign for Atkinson was Joey Singleton, who took the British Jr. Welter title with a 15 round win over Pat McCormack in 1973, in only his 8th. fight. Singleton went on to win a Lonsdale belt outright in only 11 fights.

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or "Indentifies with/as" can eliminate all of the ambiguity and avoid conflicts. I believe that this would eliminate the conflicts not only involving Puerto Rican-Americans, which are a minority in this issue, but larger groups such as Mexican-Americans and several British boxers (these bring a prime example of dual pride and representation).

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Since I'm not interested in entering edit wars over the issue, I figured that instead, the overcrowding of flags should be removed (which was tried and explained in an attempt to kill the issue, but was quickly reverted). The need for flags besides every boxer seems awfully redundant (being a link to

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that I've found has a long and varied history past its current life as a grocery market. In addition to having housed an opera house, post office, ballroom, bowling alley, and a hotel annex, apparently the first 45-round boxing match in history was held in the structure on Sept. 7, 1907. The fighters

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it's the only source out there that is anywhere close to being any good in terms of boxing records. If it's good enough for boxing promoters it should be good enough for us. If boxrec is removed as a 'reliable' source then you would simply not be able to replicate a lot of the current source links

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Basically what I am saying is that boxers often have multiple nicknames and often have nicknames that they dont like but as long as they are commonly used and backed up by reliable sources then it should be shown in the infobox. I would also add that if there are multiple nicknames then if one is an

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Likewise, political nationality is already inferred when the birth place is listed in the infobox. So, I proppose that the "Nationality" option in the infoboxes is changed in a way that we can include all of the countries represented by said boxer. A slight rewording such as "Countries represented"

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I agree that opinions and other stuff should not clutter up a record. Any factual reports about fights should go in the biography section, not the record section. Records should, in my opinion, indicate who fought, the result, the date, the place, and any titles at stake. Perhaps even a note if the

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Well if it's a featured or good article then it shouldn't be referenced mainly from Boxrec as that gives no other information other than a boxers record. In that instance Boxrec would in theory be only complimentary as the article would be about somebody noteworthy and would have a number of other

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The problem is that what your asking is not easily achieved. A quick trawl of google brings up many references to boxrec but no articles about boxrec. I agree with you that if an additional source material is there then it should be used but all too often the additional sources are not there. In

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In 1983 was appointed head trainer in Bangkok by legendary Thai promoter and businessman Somphop Srisomwongse who was trying to halt an 8 year gap in the country winning a world title. Atkinson's Thai proteges went on to win 7 W.B.C.titles between them, namely Sot Chitalada, Phayao Poonterat, Napa

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A good class amateur career was followed by an unremarkable spell as a pro. Graduated to professional training, managing and promoting following an apprenticeship under his father, Charles Atkinson Sr. B.E.M. from 1973 TO 1981 promoted fights at the famous old Liverpool Stadium in partnership with

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It has been established that the user, Doughn, is a Filipino Nationalist on a Filipino ONLY agenda for Nonito Donaire. I have proof for these claims. You will find this proof in his edit comments in the pages outlined above and on his User Page where he sports 2 Filipino emblems. All along, I have

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to verify it. All I'm asking for is objective evidence that supports this reference (which self-declares as possibly inaccurate and/or incomplete). If additional sources can be used to cross-reference this site then the additional sources may well be a better (more reliable) bet than this site.

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should speak for the whole boxing world or wikipedia for that matter. All references agree Bradley dominated the frist 3 rounds in the fight againnst nate campbell, and the referee also ruled it a win for Bradley. I dont see sny source telling us CSAC has an authority to rule over all other boxing

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Philly prior to the Morales fight (wearing both flags in his trunks afterwards). I fail to see the issue with having two flags, but the talk page at the list of current champions seems to house several of these cases (Mexican-Americans being a previous example) which means that a general solution

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I recently removed "undefeated" from the lead of a bio article on a pro boxer with one fight (one win, of course); while strictly true, it strikes me as excessively promotional, and unremarkable, not worthy of being in the lead paragraph of an encyclopedic article. (A pro with a 10-0 record would

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There are much more references when you include boxing sites like 'Doghouseboxing', 'ringsidereport', 'saddoboxing', 'Eastsideboxing', 'Boxingscene.com' and 'Crunchsports.com'. Again it comes down to the fact that in a huge variety of cases Boxrec is the only source and as listed above it's good

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I am not willing to tackle Pacquiao's popularity head-on. So, let the project decide if we should include Camacho's NBA title as a minor title, which would made him a septuple champion as well, despite only in the "major + minor" classification. I reverted the removal of the "major + minor" table

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I represent the 5th Street Gym on Miami Beach. Our owner, Angelo Dundee, is in the boxing hall of fame. We do not have a wikipedia page which is tragic. The 5th Street Gym, Angelo Dundee and his brother Chris Dundee have had more impact on boxing that any other group in the last 60 years. I have

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about using capitals for titles in sentences. The discussion is should it be 'Mike Tyson was the Heavyweight Champion in year xxxx', or 'Mike Tyson was the heavyweight champion in year xxxx'. One argument states that some bodies such as WBA use one form and other bodies use the other form. Some

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But what is there to achieve in declaring it not reliable? Simply put Boxrec is the core source for the majority of boxing articles certinaly that I've ever worked on, the information for a lot of fights simply cannot be found elsewhere. You remove Boxrec as a source and you would have gaping

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Hello Plad2, My name is Craig Snyder and I have a great deal of boxing knowledge because I am the person this wiki page is featuring. If you would like some more reference sources, I have a scrap book from both my amateur and professional boxing careers and would be happy to scan & upload

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Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Boxing will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in boxing. We've created an event page on English Knowledge (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to

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I don't really get this discussion, Boxrec has been a reliable source for ages, the article link above clearly demonstrates that significant movers within the boxing community think so too. Take away Boxrec as a source and you take away the source material for a whole bunch of boxing related

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who are top ranked but fail to have professional records on there pages. I can speak from experience that it's not the most entertaining thing to do. But I notice that virtually all major kickboxers and MMA fighters have professional records written up. Not to start a comparison battle.

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Evidence? I'm not sure that you've read what I've been saying, countless times on articles I have been able to cross reference with other sources and it is always right. You seem to be trying to pick fault in a source which has been used for ages and is used by the industry itself.

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in England uses information from Boxrec to pad out an article about a former boxer in the city who is going to have a bar named after them. The paper uses the speculative 'all time' rating function to describe the boxer, Les Allen, as the "sixth best middleweight Britain has ever

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articles that simply cannot be found elsewhere on the net. I have written quite a few boxing articles using Boxrec but also being backed up with other sources, every single time the other sources (local & national papers, BBC website) have backed up the records kept on Boxrec

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For athletes that compete internationally, particularly if they have officially represented a country (in an event like the Olympics) I think the nationality should be there. If the nationality is the same as the country of birth then I have no problem with leaving it out of the

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notable and an "undefeated" in the lead might be appropriate, although with the stats in the infobox, it might be better to leave out the "undefeated" bit until a fighter has a truly exceptional record.) Since the article's author disagrees, I defer to y'all's collective wisdom.

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We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as

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What "boxing traditionalists" considered, and what happened to the opponent after the bout: "Boxing traditionalists consider this fight as being for the Lineal World Heavyweight title ('the man who beat the man'), which Briggs then lost in his subsequent fight against Lennox

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clearly refers to "Local government areas" as in districts and councils (where it makes sense) so how that is relevant to this issue is puzzling, especially as we are simply stating the settlement and country within the UK that someone was born at the moment. Thus does

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be excluded from the infoboxes of Canadian, American & British boxers, only -- if at all? I've been doing my deletions per the assumption that they are to be, but an editor has (rightly so) suggested I get a consensus first. So what the views at this WikiProject?

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It seems hyphens should be used for weight divisions in boxing such as light welterweight, super middleweight etc, as well as having no caps, e.g., "super-middleweight". The website for the oldest boxing publication, Boxing News, is probably the best example;

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I'm not changing the results. Boxrec is simply followin the california governing body decision, which is not a global one; hence i disagree with it. I'm not californian and most reports regard it as a win for bradley, because that was the referee decision.

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Someone needs to separate the two boxers named Armando Muniz into two separate pages. Their bios have been merged into one inaccurate one. I would because I went to high school with the younger one, but I don't know anything about the older gentleman.

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are the only set of twins to medal at the World Amateur Boxing Championships. I know that Wladimir Sidorenko did it, but as far as my memory goes, Valeriy failed to do so. Can someone clean the dust off the record books and check if this is correct? -

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The IBF doesn't use the term "Unified champion", but an editor wants "Unified champion" in the IBF heavyweight box because Wladimir Klitschko also holds the WBO title. I think this is misleading because it implies that the IBF uses the term "Unified

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Also if other articles such as American and Canadian boxers have their actual sovereign state mentioned alongside their state then why not the UK? The similarities are obvious if we considered E/NI/S/W as states like New York and British Columbia.

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fight won a "fight of the year" award would be OK, but giving a description of the fight or a personal assessment of who was winning and why seems to violate Wiki's original research policies. I've been trying to remove some of this commentary but

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I find all of the above inappropriate for a statistics table, which should be concise. These details bloat the table, reduce readability, and belong to the career section of an article (provided that they can be attributed to a reliable source;

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is tagged as an unreferenced BLP. It needs attention. I'm posting here in case someone with more knowledge of boxing might like to take an interest, decide whether the subject meets WP:GNG or not, and provide at least one reliable third party

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no less, uses Boxrec as a prelude to the recent Tim Bradley-Devon Alexander match saying "The last time two undefeated American world-title-belt holders squared off was Mike Tyson against Tony Tucker in 1987, according to the boxing database

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ABCs are generally run by idiots, if we were going to remove recognition of them every time that they do something stupid the lists will become obsolete. Take for example the massive creation of multiple fringe championships by the WBA. -

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linked. That is without judging that in professional boxing, there is no "international circuit", with boxers fighting for themselves and money, not for their country, which should be enough to avoid the flags in the "pro career" tables.

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is listed as a possible copy vio of Ward's official home page. I attempted to re-write the article completely (without even referencing the copy-vio version). Could someone look it over, and if it is a CopyVio, move mine there instead?

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in Australia interviews a local boxer, Lucas Browne, who when describing his next opponent says "I have looked at his record on boxrec.com and his wins weren't of the highest quality, but at the same time he has still beaten eight

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in America uses Boxrec as a source to describe boxer Vincent Thompsons record saying "Vicious" Vincent Thompson, 28, of Tacoma, is ranked 77th in the country as a heavyweight professional boxer, and 199 in the world, according to

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I was wondering what factors establish notability of individual fights for them to warrant an article. My question come because I see that Manny Pacquiao's fight yesterday has an article but Haye v Harrison does not yet exist.

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Okay Boxrec does seem to be widely used by a variety of other news sources, in the main these are the usual boxing websites but there are a number of examples further afield too. Some of the most interesting are as follows:

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Sorry you don't get it. I'm just trying to understand how a website which itself says it may be inaccurate/incomplete can meet our requirements for being a reliable source. Can its reliability be adequately demonstrated?

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Yes I agree with the referee's decision as well, however, the athletic comission of the state the fight happened in declared it a no contest. And the MCs don't include it as a win when they read out his record, see here:

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Hmmm, I guess for heads of national governments the thinking is that the country is so obvious that it isn't necessary to include it in the birthplace or nationality field. It is used in many bio infoboxes. For example:

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For me, there's no doubt of the legit claim that the WBO has on being a sanctioning body. The IBO, I don't know, but the WBO is for sure one of the "big 4", and that at least for, let's say, 10 years. That's my opinion.

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a newspaper in California uses Boxrec as a source when discussing a professional boxer who is running for city council. The paper uses information taken from Boxrec such as his professional record and his

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Does anyone have access to (one of) the sources mentioned one paragraph above? (Every expert on the BoxRec forums opines RTD means "Retired" so that it's just a matter of providing a reliable source.)--

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Well folks, we've gotta have the United Kingdom in the British boxer infoboxes in some form. Total exclusion creates the impression of promoting Irish, Scottish, Welsh & English nationalism. This

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I trust you will do the right thing and take appropriate action against this user who has called for my ban. I will wait a few days for you to go over this before I start editing again. Thank you...

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There is no consensus that only the flag of the boxer's first, primary and original nationality should be shown. What is it about the format of these articles that you think only allows one flag?--

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is an essay not a guideline, which i have been informed is a failed attempt at a guideline so it has no validity whatsoever as a guideline that has to be adhered to so that is a flawed arguement.

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Hello Again Plad2, Craig Snyder Again. I also Have a relatively recent photo of my friend Harry Arroyo which you may want for his wiki page, I can scan and upload this photo if you would like.

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article from The Telegraph reads: "In the wake of that loss Carl Froch, the current IBF super-middleweight champion..." We shouldn't capitalize the weight class or the word "champion" either.--

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A search for references found one published (gBooks) minor reference to the fight.Craig Peterson and Burt Cooper are the only mentioned fighters and neither is mentioned in this article. Fails

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I was wondering if people wanted to add this to the to-do list. Of course there have to be a list of boxers who are most urgent and are considered "modern". ~Ghost563~ 9/20/2010 7:13PM EST

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and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.

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who is fully Puerto Rican by blood (via both parents), born in Philadelphia and identifies as Puerto Rican (sourced as such in his biography) but stated that he represents both Puerto Rico

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I fixed it up, except for the color scheme in the WIN/LOSS column. I don't know how to get rid of the color teal. Harrison's current record is 27-4, he's to meet Haye on November 13, 2010.

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In recent days I have noticed that there appears to be some sort of conflict when multiple flags are placed in the massive "professional career record" tables. My particular case being

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Thankfully I have cleaned up these pages in the past, so someone can simply revert to my old edits and add any updates needed, instead of redoing all the capitalization and records etc

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You misunderstand my perspective. I, as a novice, visited a website which declares that it may be inaccurate and/or incomplete. I wanted to see how it can meet the requirements of

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articles which may be of interest to update and properly reference any information that is contained in an article for wikipedia. you can leave me a reply here if you would like.

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in an article talking about David Hayes possible next fight they says "Boxrec reports that "positive negotiations" are currently taking place between the Haye and Povetkin camps"

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I think we have established above that a boxers nickname is a central piece of information. Many fighters have more than one nickname, take the following examples for instance.

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articles being used as an arguement would appear to be a way of preventing a reader from finding out E/NI/S/W are part of the UK, as firstly you couldn't state it according to

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It has been proposed that we mass blank articles using a 'bot. This is going to affect several biographies of boxers, amongst other things. For details, see the discussion.

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tried to place our gym in Knowledge but it keeps getting declined. The editors in the chat told me I could come here and ask the boxing people to help write us into history.

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Well, I do not follow David Haye's fights so I have nothing to say about the match with Harrison. I did follow the Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout and IMO it's worth an article.

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Unfortunately, I cannot provide such a source. Is there a source, though, which says that RTD means "Referee Technical Decision"? The article's creator commented as follows:

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Records broken and how/when the previous record was achieved: "Foreman becomes the oldest boxer in history to win the major heavyweight title at the age of 45 (surpassing

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Great debating, but a website which has "BoxRec : this data may be incomplete and/or inaccurate" as a caveat presumably shouldn't be considered reliable. Perhaps, if it

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article and attempted to make a new table presenting the champions from the four major sanctioning bodies in chronological order. I'd like to know what you guys think.

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Here is a link to a discussion about problematic naming of articles about professional boxers and Muay Thai practitioners from Thailand/affiliated with Thai gyms/teams,

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If we're gonna have sovereign-state in every non-British boxer infoboxes, we should ignore UKNAT (which is allowable) & have their sovereign state included as well.

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I don't think anyone would argue that they were worthy from the start, when their first WBO heavyweight title fight was between Francesco Damiani and Johnny DuPlooy.--

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WTF? No one notified me of the call for my banishment? Doughn is totally out of line in his calls for my banishment and his weird stance/contributions to this topic.

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So there is no case at all for "United Kingdom"'s exclusion from the infobox, and there is no reason for GoodDay to delete "USA" or "Canada" from those articles.

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regarding boxing articles on wikipedia. Also, I repeat that I have written a number of boxing bio's and whenever I've cross checked Boxrec it's always been right

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by Thomas Hauser is the most comprehensive I've seen about BoxRec. Any other background information would be useful to assess this source on the criteria found in

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Ten years? That's an interesting starting point. Was there anything in particular that happened ten years ago that made you consider them worthy of recognition?

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I'm not familiar at all with sports, so I was wondering if the building's credentials in the boxing world make it at all quantifiable for a Knowledge article.

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maintained that BOTH FLAGS should be shown as Nonito Donaire states he is a "Filipino-American" on his very own website (found by avid Wiki user, Zarcadia)...

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He has 7 losses not 6. On the list of his fights at the bottom they missed the Griffin loss by dq when he was 34-0. Sorry I would fix it but don't know how.

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RTD = Retired is in Abbreviations and Definitions, page 11 of the British Boxing Yearbook 1985 It is also in the Boxing News Annuals and Pugilato record books

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In the Heavyweight class, the WBC & IBF are generally considered the most prestiges, with the WBO next & WBA last. Now, the IBO is a different story.

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I noticed that reverting is happening with other weight class lists too. Has this been discussed anywhere? I see the IP hasn't responded on his talk page.--

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Some IP user has ben reverting my edits in this article. I reverted the first one, but has done it again. I tried communication through the corresponding

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has multiple comedic nicknames including "the Scream", "Sweet Pea" and "Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr." - he isnt the only one and I think all should be added.

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Time elapsed since the previous bout: "After 10 years away from the ring, Foreman surprised the boxing world by announcing a comeback at the age of 38."

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Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at

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I don't think that caveat disqualifies it from being a reliable source. The crux of the issue is: How does it measure up against the requirements of

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Hi, I am looking at improving the coverage of amateur boxing in London and bringing together links between past London ABA boxers and champions.

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British newspapers are generally subject to editorial review which is why we can "rely" on them more than a site that says it may be inaccurate.

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I figured it was commonm among Canadian & American bio infoboxes, to exclud the countries. The British bio infoboxes, exclude their country.

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I'm not suggesting that we revisit the recognition of sanctioning bodies every time they do something stupid. We'd never stop reviewing the WBA.

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But not all boxers like their nicknames and infact many find them offensive or misrepresentative. However, I feel that at wikipedia we shouldnt

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participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here:

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After a recent request, I added WikiProject Boxing to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by

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The infobox notes a boxer's nationality, not his "sovereign-state". In most non-British contexts they are the same. In the UK they aren't (see

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have been discussing the topic of creating a bot to roam through BLP's of fighters to remove the flag icons from these articles to comply with

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boxers' articles as well as title categories have caps and some don't. Is there a policy on this yet, or does it need a proposal to resolve?--

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Looks like this is a neglected area. The 1989 edition may have been the European Cup. Would be useful if a Greek reader could look at this.

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Hi, I joined today and have always have wondered if there is any plan to complete the professional records on most, at least modern, boxers?

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will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the

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The WBO & IBO have been around since 1988. Since the IBO tends to join others in recognizing champions; the WBO is given prominance.

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Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this process. The task will commence after 72 hours if there are no objections.

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includes the WBO belts. If we do decide to recognize the organization's champions, historically when should we start that recognition?

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Similar to the same reason why "president" is capitalized when saying "President RichardNixon" and "Heavyweight Champion Mike Tyson"

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for the month of June 2012. My fellow Indian Wikipedians are requested to join and contribute in their best possible way :) Thanks,

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Boxrec with links to their own records in all of the articles), not to mention those besides the city that held the event which are

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Hello. The subject list (promoted to featured status in August 2006) is showing its age somewhat and no longer meets the current

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The way I've always understood it, the boxer who held all the major titles -in this case WBA, WBC, WBO & IBF- was called the

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Is it fair to say that there is consensus that "Unified champion" should not be used unless a boxer holds all the major titles?--

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a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for

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Following on from the two proposals above I suggest the following proposal - all common nicknames that are backed up by multiple

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are asking for your input in including Boxing fighter articles for the bot to roam through and remove such flags. Please visit

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Could somebody please fix the "Professional boxing record" section? For some reason the table is messed but I am not sure why.

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The term "Referee Technical Decision" seems to be made up, RTD is likely to mean "Retired" instead. Thus, the article entitled

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Those references to BoxRec you've found with your quick trawl of Google could mean it qualifies as a reliable source based on

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in the 'birth place' & 'death place' sections. Certainly, total exclusion (which is the current case) isn't being NPoV.

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it doesn't look like there is any consensus for how to deal with his nationality. Try to build consensus on the talk page:

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should be applied if the boxer holds all the major belts (although there are no more undisputed champions nowadays). :) --

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What do you need as a reliable source? Unless i try to make Gilles Poisson or his son to call you, i just dont know... :)

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2. By following Donaire's bio on his own website, which lists Donaire as from both the Philippines and the United States

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Broadcast and event title: "This fight was shown on closed circuit TV and was billed as 'The Preacher vs. The Puncher' ".

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as he has competed at a fully-professional level of sport. The article does need expanding and more references though. --

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but can't see how (I suspect it's buried in something called "Article alerts" but I can't discover how to access that).—

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Match summaries: "Despite a somewhat slow start, Foreman dominated the latter rounds en route to a unanimous decision."

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Are there particular world championships for women's boxing that would indicate notability? I know there's a list at

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I originally would have preferred only the official nicnames, but reading your explanation it sounds good. I agree.

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is the relevant guideline. Reliable sources don't capitalize the weight class or the word "champion." For example,

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but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at

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At present the two editors who were warring are suspended, do you guys have any opinion on how to handle this? --

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1. By following what's on the Ring Magazine pound for pound website, which lists Donaire as from the Philippines

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as a hoax as I cannot get any ghits on it. If this is mistaken, con someone here please remove the prod notice.

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It was already created but I have now added some references and text. Any input to improve it would be welcome.

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I'm not objecting to your arguments, in my mind it just boils down to be able to demonstrate a compliance with

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Anybody who could help me with developing article on Shaheed Benazir Bhutto International Boxing Tournament? --

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didnt like "the Beast" and Kermit Cintron doesnt like being called "the Killer" because of his charity work,

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in those British bio infoboxes, showing the UK. 1) Have the Union Jack, in the nationality section. 2) Have

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I'm trying to expand Knowledge's coverage of my vicinity, and there's a very old, blah-looking building in

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states as much and even this article appears on a site that you could reasonably argue doesn't meet WP:RS.

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disfigured another fighter. We dont sweep things under the carpet to be polite - this isnt a dinner party!

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Don King won't allow it. It's more money in his & his friends pockets, to keep the titles fractured.

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about the Harrison article. Project members are welcome to join the discussion and leave their opinions.

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but got no response, can someone lend me a hand on this? I don't want to get into a pointless edit war.

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Can someone here take a look at this article? It doesn't add much, but a topic was also opened on it at

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I am sure you've used it, and many others may have done, but I want to see some evidence that it meets

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Is the standard as lax as sports in general, or something a bit more stringent? In particular, should

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If the 'bot goes ahead, this will probably light up some people's watchlists like Diwali. Be warned.

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will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's

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one of the Boxrec journalists has been shortlisted for a sports writing award for his work on Boxrec

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is quite rightly up for deletion, since there's only two items to navigate - and they were prodded.

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to communicate with him have failed and he hasn't edited a single talk page after nearly 2500 edits,

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Good work. I think all this makes it clear that BoxRec.com qualifies as a reliable source. Thanks!--

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Most boxing pages on Knowledge don't include hyphens, but it's worth using them from now on, imo.

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TheShadowCrow and admin MaterialScientist have made a complete mess of the following boxing pages;

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No, but there are several post fight reports which agreed with the ref decision of a Bradley win ,

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which should be addressed in the next ten days to prevent the list being nominated for demotion at

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I've always been of the opinion that RTD means retired as well so would agree with the title change

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should by included in the infobox - whether they are negative or positive, official or unofficial.

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Knowledge:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Gilles Poisson .2F Charles Berger name errata

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Thailand&oldid=483671657

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I'd prefer using the '-' instead of the 'vs'. Eitherway, those matches should be consistant.

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has embraced the "Ricky Fatton" nickname and even wore a fat suit during his ringwalk at the

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How easy a fight was: "The fight was one of the easiest Foreman had in his entire comeback."

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I'm looking for opinions on use of the terms "Super champion" and "Unified champion" on the

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situtation is one reason why. The WBO moved him up in their rankings twice after he died.--

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There's an edit war going on in this article on how to list Nonito Donaire's nationality.

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on a related issue it looks like the preference is 'British', especially for pro boxers.--

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Hopefully, somebody who know how to do that, will. It should be replaced by your version.

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for men's boxing, but I was wondering if there'd been any discussion for women. Thanks.

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and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of

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I figure I should get some opinions on his conduct. Examples of his additions include:

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to include websites which, themselves, state they may be incomplete and/or inaccurate.

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even apply at all? More than likely not, meaning there is no case against stating i.e.

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and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at

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We trained Ali, Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard and a dozen other championship fighters.

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template on the article, or inherits the class rating from other project banners (see

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and we shouldnt cover up negative aspects of a biography. We dont hide the fact that

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I remember reading somewhere that promoters and matchmakers use boxrec extensively.

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If you are who you claim? it's best you not get too involved with that article, per

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and what "RTD" means held on the BoxRec forums has resulted in the aforementioned.--

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Would anyone have a problem with 'deleting' the flags from those articles: example

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at the BLPN is disputing the name of this boxer, any specialist eyes appreciated.

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fight and "the Ghost" was also used as a term of abuse by another fighter towards

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Hi everyone. I am going to join this project and see what I can do. I'm really a

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Again? I though it was solved...I would say go with the Philippines flag too. --

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While all contributions to Knowledge are appreciated, content or articles may be

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While all contributions to Knowledge are appreciated, content or articles may be

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Can you provide a reliable source from after the CSAC made its ruling (Aug. 2009

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Valuev, just doesn't deserve his belt. Holyfield should've been award the title.

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specialist, but I thought I might be able to add something to my "other" sport.

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Stating who was the underdog: "Morrison was the underdog coming into the fight."

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Boxrec is a reliable source and is used extensively within the boxing community

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I'm sure you "remember reading somewhere" that other people use it, but is it a

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I've raised an issue on the "Nationality" parameter in the infobox over at the

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I'm actually seeing your point now and willing to close this proposal request.

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Should we delete all flags & nationalities from all boxing bio infoboxes?

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing

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considered a reliable source by the boxing community here, we need to update

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worthy of keeping or can members of this project help to save it from a AfD?

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should be moved to "RTD" or "Retired" with the current title being deleted.

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The two users are unblocked now. Let's see if the edit war continues... --

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Is this organisation deemed notable enough for an article? I did find this

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were Montana Jack Sullivan and Nat Dewey, and the fight ended with a tie.

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The infobox on the right is about the still active Cuban boxer Luis Ortiz.

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The WBO (along with the WBA, WBC & IBF) is a recognized organization.

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In order for material to be featured quality, that material must rely on

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It appears that the standard naming convention for fights is for example

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Can you give us an example of a bio article that excludes the country?--

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Yes, both have reliable sources but I would describe him as British. --

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is now running daily to compile a list of all articles that are in both

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Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement

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The article titles should reflect how the fight is commonly known. Ex.:

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The WBA recognizes WBO champions when determining their super champions.

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to tag articles in project scope and/or auto-assess unassessed articles

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I agree with the above comments. They shouldn't be capitalised as per

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question should have been, does this source meet the requirements of

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for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were

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When you put it this way it is a good idea when you put it that way.

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List of current world boxing champions#Lightweight (135 lb, 61.2 kg)

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governing bodies. Impartial sources call the CSAC decision "unfair"

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The following sources have now been provided in the above-mentioned

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Should the following fights be renamed to keep the same convention?

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discussion page. As much opinion as possible would be appreciated.

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The WBA calls Juan Manuel Marquez their Lightweight Super Champion

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If you think that the Haye-Harrison fight was notable enough, then

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Help request: mexican user taking Puerto Rico-Mexico too seriously

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to extend the reach of Knowledge worldwide. Please help us, with

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Knockdowns: "Coetzer was knocked down in the 4th and 8th rounds."

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is the undisputed champion, the boxer with all the major titles.

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Then press save and start adding relevant subheadings and links.

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It looks good. Much clearer when their are multiple champions.--

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What do you think is appropriate content for the notes column?--

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Unfortunately, we don't have any undisputed champions anymore.--

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Knowledge:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Jesse Vargas

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official nickname then we should have (official) after that one.

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and then Kelly turned it positive and took it as his nickname.

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There would be no boxing without the 5th Street Gym. Period.

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Name of the referee: "Referee Robert Byrd stopped the fight."

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Point deductions: "Foreman was deducted a point in round 11."

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Totally agree, left my comments on the talk page. Cheers, --

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enough for journalists in England, the States and Australia.

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Boxer's weight: "Foreman came into the fight at 267 pounds"

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I understand it's difficult to achieve the requirements of

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That's for sure :) Pac-man gave us a very exciting fight!

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Made a new navbox to consolidate the many boxing topics:

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Can you beat the other Sports WikiProjects to completion?

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is at AfD, the discussion could use some expert opinion.

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from those infoboxes; since there's been no complaints.

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article, The Ring Magazine pound for pound list and the

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process can result in deletion without discussion, and

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considered a reliable source by the boxing community".

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Shaheed Benazir Bhutto International Boxing Tournament

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and in other pages that pertains to Nonito Donaire.--

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for all of them? or go by boxer's self-preferences -

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being called "the Boston Tar Baby". But interesting

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never liked being called "the Dead End Kid", as did

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