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36: 782:. I am not defending this earlier version as perfect but it is at least accurate (no editors dispute that. From it, proposed revisions to it can and should be discussed on the now extensive talk page. I also am soliciting the input of subject editors, since the current active editors have made repeated, egregious mistakes, many of which stand in the current live version. Thanks for your attention/assistance. 407:
I agree. In fact, Dn Damick (who subsequently changed his name to 'Preost') seems to me to have been the sole cause of the difficulties on the Sourozh page about which he himself complained. (The dispute started through his repeated and unexplained revertive deletions - breaking the 3-revert rule -
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It was not a personal attack. A personal attack would be "So and so is a jerk"...i.e., a characterization of the person. My comments addressed behavior... and obviously bad behavior at that. Your warning, and $ 4.00 will get you a cup of coffee at your local Starbucks. The word "smear" has an
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This is not a personal attack. It is an observation of interest to other Orthodox contributors. It is very clear, if you look at the edits, and the comments on that talk page, that the editor in question was making no attempt to present a fair picture of Patriarch Alexei, and was attempting to
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accuse him of everything from being a nazi, to being a communist, to being a murderer, to profiting off of baby body parts, etc. Under the circumstances, I don't believe the word "smear" is an unfair term. I would also point out that my comments describe behavior, they are not ad hominem.
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article (covering the entire Christian community) has been expanded and "completed" and peer review is being sought. I would especially be interested in commentary from the "Eastern" community since commentary on these topics normally comes heavily from the Protestant/Roman Catholic camp.
412:.) However, the Deacon has now 'retired indefinitely' from Knowledge (see his talk page), and there does not seem to be anyone else who has any difficulty with the Sourozh page as now stands. Therefore, I recommend it be removed from the POV/Verifiability list. Best, 385:
This seems to have gotten a bit better as events have calmed, and improvements in providing references/citations seems to have stopped a lot of the extreme bias and use of the pages for propaganda. Maybe we'll be able to take it off the 'critical list' soon.
438:, to give it a style in common with most other major portals, and to bring much of its material up to date. I hope others will help with this project! For discussion of the re-vamp and current work on the portal, please use the 244:
This page is not for discussions but rather simply to alert other editors to new articles, requests, etc. Discussions and commentary will be removed and instead should be directed at the talk pages of the articles in question.
529:. However it seems that the sources about this saint, in either Hungarian or English, are scarce (especially online), so I'm drawing your attention to the article in the hope you'll find better sources to expand it. Cheers, 550:, and most recently has been removing the statement that he is the spiritual leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, on the grounds that it violates the NPOV policy -- which is ridiculous. Any help would be appreciated. 482:
article is very hardcore Protestant POV--it may even slide over into outrigh iconoclasm. Is there someone out there with knowledge of icons in the early Church who could help with this?
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You are free to have any opinion you wish. However, I suspect that most Orthodox Christians who read the edits, and discussion of that article would find my comments very restrained.
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Please date your additions and remove them if you feel the announcement is no longer new, the request has been fulfilled, etc. Add new additions right after this message.
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The article has in recent weeks had inserted documentably innacurate content and other destructive edits, including a wholesale removal of a notable section.
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This article is suffused with the church's POV and comes across as the private project of a HOCNA priest who appears to believe that he
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appropriate use, and it was used appropriately in this case. But again, you are free to have your own opinion on the matter.
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made against the wishes of other editors: see the summary of the debate which spilled onto the Eastern Orthodox wikiproject
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and can remove anything which does not fit that POV. Collaboration from others could improve the article immensely.
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I am proposing that the page be reverted back to this version before the inaccurate/libelous content was added:
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Power in numbers? Restrained or not, it was a personal attack and earned you a warning on your talk page.
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suggesting a major rewrite, including several spin-off articles. Please take a look and comment. —
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Following some comments and requests, and a clear need, I've initiated a major re-vamping of the
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I would greatly appreciate attention to urgent concerns I have raised about this page here:
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article from an anti-anti-Semitism crusader. Assistance would be helpful.
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article has been a small battleground for some time now, particularly with
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The article is no longer a stub. I'm looking for peer review. Thank you.
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on this, but I'd also appreciate assistance from other editors. The
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issues. Your comments and assistance would be appreciated. —
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There is currently an editor who is intent on smearing
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