Knowledge:Village pump (proposals)

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editions for Svan language and Laz language. These two languages belong to the Kartvelian language family and are written in Georgian script, however they aren't mutually intelligible with each other and also with Georgian and Mingrelian. If they will be added, each of these four branch speakers of the Kartvelian language will have a better opportunity to learn more these languages belonging to the Kartvelian language family, and also these two new Knowledge editions will have their own articles which they will belong to the article scope of the regions where these languages are spoken. In addition, the other visitors from different parts of the world will learn about these languages. Please add these two Knowledge editions as they are old languages spoken in Georgia, which is an ancient country with rich history and culture. I would be so happy if you will take my request into consideration.

1891:), there may well be a way to have a pageviews chart on the Talk page. If you'd rather have the link, then carry on, I guess, but it looks like you are running into a lot of opposition to that approach. My impression is that by continuing to grind away at it, you are doing yourself a disservice and possibly pushing your goal of having easy access to a chart even further away. The more you insist on a link, the more you may also gin up opposition to having the chart, and I haven't raised that idea more formally yet because this discussion has sucked up all the oxygen in the room about this topic and may have also poisoned the well a bit. Please don't make things worse than they already are. I think you are more likely to get what you want, if you let it be for a while, or at least, wait and see if there's a groundswell of support here for your links ideas, which so far has not materialized. 1747: 5018:

with the votes that say that that article shouldn't have "Walmart" in the title because other articles don't, as that argument seems like it directly contradicts the "disambiguator" part of WP:CONSISTENT. Ultimately, it depends on what the consensus will be as to whether, for that particular article, in the inclusion of "Walmart" would better match title criteria, e.g. because it's part of the common name. So there's no clear "right answer," it's a matter of how the people participating in the discussion will weigh the various competing factors involved.

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discouraged. Metrics that might align better with your own values (e.g., how grateful a reader was to find information on such an obscure topic) are not available and will not be surfaced to you. We're just going to tell you that 40% of your articles are probably pointless. Or 70%, if you thought one reader a day was enough. Or 90%, if you'd hoped your efforts would help "only" 10 readers a day. My point is, for most articles, this is not a feel-good metric. This is a feel-bad metric, and we should be cautious about promoting it indiscriminately.

2784:. New name is more verbose, lacking concision. The idea of rebranding something to fix its problems is a bit questionable. For example on meta they tried this with the community wishlist this year and the community made it clear that they preferred the old name. Is the fundamental problem with ITN really its name and the fact that it focuses on topics that are "in the news", or is its core problem actually something else such as toxicity, which might not be addressed by a name change? – 509: 3300:- Like others, a name change/small proposal like this is premature imo. A comprehensive way forward for the main page section in question - including not only changes to processes/procedures/policies/etc. but to the name should be fleshed out before small changes like this are proposed. Trout the nominator because while it looks like this was in good faith, it was premature given RFCBEFORE discussion ongoing. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | 497: 5041: 4954: 2010:, so to get through to you I need to be a bit more blunt than I like to be. The goal of making pageview links more easily accessible has been rejected by most people commenting above. To you these links are very important, but to most people they are not. Stop trying to find ways of forcing these links on people who don't want them and just find a way to have them yourself. 2570:: Contrary to the others, I think that a name change—even by itself, only—could be a bit less misleading to newcomers, especially those who come to WP going "why isn't this news here?".I do feel like it would be better to just rename it to "Current events" if possible, as this name is indeed too verbose. To solve the conflict with the portal, just add a 2345:

to create the articles. If your hope is "I'll suggest this, and someone else will do all the work", then you will be disappointed. The process that is likely to work is the one that sounds a lot more like "I've got a dozen friends who speak these languages natively and would love to spend several hours per week, for the next decade, working on this".

1536: 4874:". In my view, if it doesn't have a common name, it should be as short (WP:CONCISE) as possible, using only those descriptors that are needed to be precise. So: " shooting" is fine unless there were two shootings in that year or place. In fact, " shooting" would be better in my view, unless there were multiple shootings at . 1908:. I now prefer a pageviews link in a submenu of the Tools menu that is currently found on all pages whether logged in or not. I like how submenus condense the page menu. The tools menu has no submenus and one has to scroll down the page to see all the contents. So it solves 2 problems to add submenus to the tools menu. 3500:

I think that's incorrect. There's a wide ranging discussion about changing ITN right now and you should have weighed in there and helped to workshop instead of running here to start an RfC—which may very well become moot depending on what comes out of the ongoing discussion. I would boldly close this

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And by definition, any user interface design makes a determination of what's important or not important. People use Talk more than, say, What links here, so it makes sense that the former is more prominent. In such a wide-ranging and community-focused project like Knowledge there's always going to be

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I actually do pay attention to page views for articles I work on, but I am comfortable going to the page history to access them. Very low page views for a given article can be disappointing, but every once-in-a-while something in the news will cause a hundred- or thousand-fold spike in page views for

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We should absolutely shy away from asking the community to comment, to provide their thoughts, about something, because people's time is limited and valuable. We should ask for that time sparingly. Not every idea we have deserves the formal attention of an RFC, and there are specific places to go to

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is only on less than 1% of all article talk pages (53,000 / 7,000,000 articles). I support your efforts to make it work again. But I want more. I hope to contact whoever is involved with the Tools menu directly. That may be more productive. The feedback from this discussion has been useful in seeing

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to add a class parameter to the module, so that users may opt to hide certain message boxes from view when logged in. The issue of banner clutter on Talk pages is one that perennially pops up and frequently raises tensions among those who support or oppose such banners. This proposal is *not* about

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The most precise wording in the spirit of the current name would be "From the current events". Anyway, the name change won't solve a problem because there's no problem at all. We have a section called "Did you know...", which "showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal

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It might be helpful to be clearer about that process: If you want Knowledge articles in those languages, then 99% of the time, you will have to do the writing/translation work yourself. There is no secret group of people here that is skilled in those languages and just waiting for the opportunity

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is mostly good, but has a bit of tofu scattered in it, e.g. for ሇ. Note that the tofu in the basic block is covered by Noto, as are the extended blocks up to Extended-A, so it almost seems as if Noto is the problem: Both the characters that are not handled by Noto (Extended-B), and those that are

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I think the newly proposed name departs from the format of the ITN section. Note that "news" is information about "current events". We post blurbs that summarise news. To me, "Articles featuring current events" sounds like posting links to articles that document current events. That's not what the

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are not direct links to pageviews for a page. I meant "need" in the sense that for this to work, the pageviews link "needs" to be on the page view menu or submenus. Currently, it is not there. Thanks for the info about the Xtools menu gadget not being on mobile. Another reason not to use Xtools as

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I assume now that this is why page views has been made so inaccessible to regular readers and editors. I make decisions on what and how I edit based on numerous factors, including page views. Maybe you have unlimited time to edit. I don't, and so I want to edit what I think makes a difference, and

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Though I agree that page views can be surprisingly low sometimes, I think your methodology is possibly flawed; editors don't just edit random articles. I would imagine that articles that are edited more tend to get more views, as there is most likely some overlap between reader interest and editor

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But ultimately, titles are decided very much on a case-by-case basis (in large part because a common name analysis is a case by case analysis), so who knows what the consensus will be at that particular RM about the best title for that particular article. Right now I see it's split 2-2. I'd argue

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And - in my opinion anyway - we should never shy away from asking the community to comment, to provide their thoughts, about something. Especially not out of fear that some individuals might come along and try to derail the discussion, rather than discuss the matters at hand. I have faith in the

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Phil Bridger wrote: "The goal of making pageview links more easily accessible has been rejected by most people commenting above." As a point of fact that is incorrect. Most people haven't expressed an opinion. 3 people support the link in the tools menu. 3 are opposed. But I agree that discussion

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has a self-contradiction in it. It's hard enough to get someone to edit that article. I don't need "help" in the form of you scaring away editors because you've made sure that they know how many people will see that edit. I very much need "editors thinking about the work that needs to be done,

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I'm not an ITN regular. If you'd read the two discussions that preceded this one, you'd know I tried participating in ITN once and was so turned off I've only commented there a couple of times since. I want this to go somewhere, hopefully to fix ITN for the better. Rushing into an RfC before the

3684:". Editors who show that they have tons of time for Knowledge shouldn't expose themselves by saying that clearly deficient articles are worthy of being linked from the Main Page simply because the formatting has been prettied up. Yet, it's been going on for years and concerns fall on deaf ears. 3530:

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Same, there's been RFCBEFORE discussions on the ITN talk page following the AN discussion about an RFC to reevaluate aspects of ITN which have been going on for a few days, and this seems to be jumping the gun. I recommend this be shuttered and ideas held off until the planned RFC is ready to go

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Time, Can you clarify what it is you actually want? A great deal of words have been expended here about adding a *pageviews link*, as in your message just above and many other parts of this multi-section discussion, but is a link what you really want? Or would you rather just have the page views

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The previous talk sections clearly show that this goal is not one that everybody supports, indeed some people have actively opposed adding links to the page menu. There is currently no consensus that we should increase the accessibility of the page views tool at all, nor for a specific way to do

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The opposite is also true: if you happen to be impressed with the page views an article is getting, then you might feel the stakes are much higher. There can be no compromise when so many people are going to read this, right? Everything's got to be perfect. Don't be bold; be very, very, very

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In regard to adding brand names/private businesses, this is already a well-established concept both on Knowledge and in reliable sources. The vast majority of school shooting articles will include the name of the school, which I'd argue is far more damaging than just naming "Walmart". Certainly

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The toxicity of ITN is a legitimate concern, even if it's been given only minimal weight here. Anything having to do with formulating Main Page content should reflect a broad cross-section of the community. ITN is not that, but rather a small group of editors engaging in behavior bordering on

3116:"in the news". Almost everything nominated for ITN is already posted in that day's Current events section and the majority of what's posted to ITN (invariably undated) stays up well after its currency expires. If ITN storylinks should ever become as current as CE storylinks, such a similar name 3094:

per Czello. The problem with ITN is not the name or the theme, it's the fact that the discussions are too slow and rambling to produce punctual postings while things remain in the news. (It would also be good to get a clearer steer on subject matter - culture topics other than deaths are rarely

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I think it could be said that at least some of that "toxicity" (to use your word) might be due to the unsaid expectations of commenters when they come to a discussion about topics "in the news". Changing the name can change that expectation and tone. And besides, the name "in the news" doesn't

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The idea of doing some RFCBEFORE before launching a T:CENT RFC is a good one, I think. A smaller group discussion can help figure out what the most likely options to pass are in a big RFC, and then just present those, which is a nice optimization that reduces friction and saves editor time and

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RfCs are meant to have a clear question that editors can answer. That's why the RFCBEFORE requirement exists: so that editors can talk it out, try to come to a consensus, and when all else fails, narrow the dispute so that uninvolved editors can help answer a clear-cut qurstuon via RfC. Citing

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I have a proposal. Please can you consider to add two Kartvelian languages of Georgia and neighboring countries spoken as a minority, which are written in Georgian script and are missing on Knowledge like there are Georgian and Mingrelian. I want from one of the admins to create two Knowledge

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Please imagine for a moment that you have created an article, or you decided to improve it. Then you look on the talk page and discover that the number of page views is far lower than you expected. A metric that never really mattered to you before has been put in your face, and now you feel

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It's not about me. That's projection on the part of you two. But hey, I've said what I've got to say. I made some suggestions. I answered questions. I answered your question. I wasn't sure you had seen my question. Of course, you don't have to answer mine. I didn't badger others to answer my

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When looking at other categories for attacks on indoor places in the United States, the vast majority either include the name of the business or the type of venue in their name. For example, see the following where the majority of titles include the names of the businesses or type of venue:

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Only logged in users see the statistics bar. Turning it on by default would allow all logged in users to see it. If they don't like it they can always turn it off. But if they never turn it on, they will not know that it has a page views link. That is why it should be turned on by default.

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I don't feel that Page views is that much more important than the other external tools linked in page information and page history. Personally, I use Revision history statistics more. Obviously adding them all would be too much clutter though, so I wouldn't propose that as an alternative. ―

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I don't think we should ever add the brand name of the private business ("Walmart", "Buffalo Topps") where a shooting occurred, unless it's part of the common name (as with the Pulse shooting). It's not nice or necessary to associate the business with a shooting that happened at one of its

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In multiple discussions, the regulars there appear to be defending the process as a way for the encyclopedia to feature articles. Well, if that's the purpose, then let's call it that, and sidestep all the baggage that the word "news" can carry with it. - 12:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Could we add "Abyssinica SIL" to the list of display fonts for Ethiopic script? The supplemental blocks display as tofu for me despite me having a supporting font installed. The only one I can see is Extended-B, which is the one not supported by Noto. (And I do have Noto installed.)

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as the page isn't called "the news" (as it seems OP framed that's how it's being presented), it's called "in the news"; as in, "here are articles whose topics are currently in the news". I think renaming the page would be a blunt instrument to fix policy issues (if it even does). —

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Asking the community to comment and provide thoughts about something is a good thing, but (a) that's what's happening at WT:ITN, and (b) that's not what an RFC is - an RFC is a specific question with a finite number of answers with the aim of generating consensus for one them.

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articles about current events, not decide what to feature based on perceived newsworthiness. Noting that a name change alone without underlying changes wouldn't fix much of the issues, so I wish it would come along with a fundamental change in how the articles are selected.

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disambiguator doesn't mean every country article must have one, even though that would be consistent. I think there is a direct analogy here to "Walmart": just because some articles identify the name of the business doesn't mean all articles should identify the name of the

3269:"In the news". News is a superset of current "newsy" events, and such a new title would at least weed out some stuff. I see no reason this could go wrong, except potential whiplash if the current WT:ITN discussions suddenly watershed into a radically different direction. 3680:, several of whom repeatedly show a frightening detachment from reality. I've repeatedly expressed concerns about the false notion of "article quality" WRT recent deaths that certain editors push down everyone's throats. It's yet another manifestation of Knowledge as " 1675:

I don't think these statistics are relevant to the average reader. Or average editor really, I can count the amount of times that I've looked up any of these statistics for the last twenty pages I've edited on zero hands. The same is most likely true for the last two

2710:. So yes, NOTBURO applies. And a simple question of renaming? That's pretty clear cut. Alternate rename suggestions are proposed in rename discussions all the time. So I'm not sure what you find so "ridiculous". Anyway, this is a tangent to the discussion itself. - 1353:

novov: Now your veering into ridiculousness. As I previously said average readers and editors are more interested in page views than other statistics. And elsewhere you said you want page views in a separate template, and not as 2 words (Daily pageviews) added to

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to promote page views. You are proposing that 90% of talk pages carry "proof" that those articles are unimportant. That will not make editors feel happy. It will not make them feel like contributing more. In some cases, it will scare them away from editing.

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Unless the tools menu gets some submenus, then I like this solution best of all so far. It avoids any possible server problems (see previous talk section) since it does not show the statistics. And the page menu is short. So there is room for a pageviews link.

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review process". Shall we change it to "From the new and expanded articles" just to better match the mission statement of DYK? I think there should be some aesthetics on the main page, and "In the news" and "Did you know..." are names that provide it.--

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The closest thing to letting people decide for themselves would be if we just make every action associated with a page buttons of the exactly the same size that are always visible, which would be unbearably cluttered and intimidating to newcomers. ―

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If you change your browser configuration, you can set up any font you want to be used when a web page uses the generic sans-serif CSS property. If you want to do something specific to English Knowledge, see the web page to which RoySmith referred.

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chart itself on the Talk page? I suspect your underlying goal is the same as mine, as I get the impression that you'd rather have the chart but have given up on that idea because it hadn't worked in over a year and was finally hidden recently.

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arguing either side of it; the sole objective is to offer alternatives so as to reduce the strife, and as much as feasible, allow everyone to have the Talk page appearance they prefer. I hope this proposal may provide that. Your feedback at

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would be a more efficient way of finding popular articles than clicking on each talk page, but if you like clicking on each page individually, then feel free to click away. What I'm saying is: Don't force your preference on everyone else.

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per Novem Linguae. The problem is not the name, and even if it were the new name wouldn't resolve the misunderstandings about what the purpose of the section is (or trying to turn it into what they, but most other editors do not, think it

3175:. Even changing the name to “Current events” is unnecessary, since the phrase “in the news” directly implies that the section is about current events. “Articles for current events” is an even worse name, since it’s unnecessarily long. 3407:- We do indeed present links to articles with content about things are "in the news" on this part of the main page. We are highly selective and have unique criteria (much different than a traditional news source), but nonetheless. 1251:

I agree that editor interest is non-random, but that means it will be worse than average for some editors. If your niche happens to be an unpopular one, then you could find yourself looking at evidence of its unpopularity very

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Concerning revision history, I assume you are talking about the "View history" link at the top of nearly all pages? I agree that is very important. But we are not asking for the page views link to be put at the top of pages.

2041:) has been (hopefully) resolved. As for me, I've contributed here all I can, and I am withdrawing from this discussion now, as further comments would either be counter-productive, or prolong it unnecessarily. Best of luck, 1937:

I hadn't read the previous sections as it happens: the edit summary on my watchlist made it appear as if this were a new topic. I'm afraid I'm inclined to agree this doesn't have consensus, and just wondering why this is a

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handled by more limited system fonts (most of the basic Ethiopic block), display correctly. The ones where Noto might kick in (I'm guessing) display as tofu. But they display fine if I set them to Noto in a text doc.

775:. What I'm saying is that there's no reason why page views should be added to the tools menu when it's not been proven that it's "special" compared to the other things, and page information is in there anyway. ― 2515:

It's a good thing to have a section on the Main Page featuring current events-related articles, as it helps show that the encyclopedia is kept up-to-date and engaging, but the key criterion should be to feature

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Oh, I see; should be pretty straightforward with a new param. If only we had a magic word for the id of the user reading the page, instead of the last one who saved it, we could do it without a param, but alas.

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Interestingly, most of these are working for me even though I don't recall installing special Ethiopic fonts. The exception is Ethiopic Extended-B, which for me is a sea of tofu with no characters displaying.

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Knowledge doesn't specify the font being used for article text; it uses whatever you have configured in your browser for sans-serif text. So feel free to configure your favourite font for use in your browser.

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that "Current events" is better than "In the news" because it refocuses the space toward Knowledge's quality content on current events, rather than whichever Knowledge content aligns with the news reporting.

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If it's confusing, then I think we should probably fix that. Something typically done in either changing the mission statement or the name. I'm proposing changing the name to match the mission statement. -

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be). I also agree that this should have been workshopped first as there are very probably better alternatives to the one suggested (that still wouldn't solve the problems but would not introduce waffle).

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has long been a revolving door of editor-related and/or process-related issues. And I think a large part of it is merely due to the conflict between trying to feature current events on the main page, and

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Based on the results of this planned RFC, a different option for a new name may have fallen out from that. It goes back to raised concerns about workshopping an option first, and makes this premature.

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Yes, but it's confusing as we don't precisify the way we direct readers to articles. "In the news" sounds simpler and clearer to my ear, and we really don't need to include "articles" in the name.--

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is an outlier, where only two pages out of ten have the name of the business or type of place in their title, even when reliable sources may commonly refer to the attacks as such, seemingly due to

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for all of 2023 for a random set of 10,000 articles. 90% of articles get less than 10 page views per day. 70% get less than 1 page view per day. Almost 40% of them get less than 1 page view per

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A lot of these are just random crime news that don't need their own articles to begin with. Except for the ones that saw major coverage after being resolved, I'd say merge them all into a list.

3077:. With all due respect, nominator, to put it simply, I just don't believe a name change would actually do anything to improve decorum at ITN. Its issues are much deeper than a branding problem. 3095:

nominated, and frequently opposed when they are, but sports get reasonably consistent coverage. Personally, I'd favour evolving some standards for a wider range of cultural stories to carry.)

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at any time). This isn't likely to happen on a timescale that would be useful to your assignment, and would probably defeat the purpose of the assignment. I'd recommend you try searching for

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I think this should be done, and after people see that the sky will not fall by giving editors this info, then it should be turned on by default for both logged-in users, and all readers. --

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For me, the length of the Tools menu makes it harder to find specific items that I'm looking for. Thus I prefer that the page view link remain grouped under the page information menu item.

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Spending some time workshopping it might have come up with a better alternative title, too. This one is obviously going to fail because the proposed new name is incredibly clunky. --

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This way logged-in editors have access to pageviews without having to open another page first (if they even know about it), and then scroll around, and then click the pageviews link.

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Generally speaking, this should only be done with a consensus on the talk page of the article concerned. Mass renaming without a requested move discussion is likely to be reverted.--

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and fix the problems in that article and not to be scared off by your reminder that the page gets read 1.5 times per minute. Editing articles is an anxious business for some people.

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has been developed over a long time. There is agreement on what is there now. So I think you are in the minority on that. Adding a page views link there justifies hiding or deleting

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But what if the proposals that come out of the WT:ITN discussion are to shift ITN away from "Current events"? Then we'll have wasted community time with an irrelevant name change.

3816:. I originally thought that this was an unconventional attempt at suggesting the re-scoping discussed in the RFCBEFORE, but I'm realizing that a title change that is only said to 2930:"The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." 1403:

until a more permanent solution can be found, and will expose it here shortly for discussion. (I've added DNAU so this doesn't get archived in the meantime.) Please stay tuned.

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The screen jump doesn't bother me. Pages have screen jumps for other reasons too. People can turn it off if they don't like it. And it is not much of a screen jump. A line or 2.

4929:. I wasn't aware WP:CONSISTENT was considered less important than any of the other criteria, and actually I can't find anywhere that says such a thing, perhaps you know where. 557:

a "Page views" link in the tools menu as an alternative of sorts. See the included screenshots. Right now, the link to the page views tool is carefully hidden in: Tools -: -->

4667:(May be excessively long, removal of year or keeping current title may be more appropriate. Name used in current title does reflect the name used in reliable sources better.) 3622:

When posting at village pump proposals, please don't forget to notify the main page affected by the proposal. I see this happen here a lot. Anyway, I went ahead and notified

2397:. This closure is not a decision on the original proposal, nor does it preclude another RfC being opened at any time in the future using ideas from the workshopping phase. 5362: 2672:- "workshops" are RfCs too. I welcome discussion on this, whereever the discussion takes us. An RfC can result in more things than merely "support/oppose/no consensus" - 1100:

It is true that the content in the white box isn't at all relevant for experienced editors. I'd be interested to consider a proposal not to display it for those editors.

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This is what I was talking about, endless regulars sandbagging everyone with their/our endless badgering. Let a few outsiders weigh in first. Then wait for even more.

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With all due respect to Timeshifter's volunteer passion about this, as well as his good-faith effort to sum up opinions in the next subsection, I have to agree with

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regarding the El Paso shooting, "Walmart" is part of the common name based on RS, but as I said before it was apparently a consistency issue to propose that rename.

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Okay. Regarding your comment about ITN regulars badgering/sandbagging, I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but if you are, I'm going to quote myself from above:

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as distinguished to a "nice-to-have, for some people". Personally I think I'd find readily accessible pageviews more demoralising than anything, but if I'm curious

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Yes, but, as WhatamIdoing says, there is a bureaucratic procedure that has to be followed on Meta, not the English Knowledge, to get this proposal off the ground.

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I have recently come to the conclusion that promoting page views information to editors is a bad idea. Here's why: the page views for most articles are very low.

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We can start with logged-in users first and see how that goes. If it is too much of a load on the servers, then set it to only update the numbers once a day.

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Supports talk page editors deciding whether to add a pageviews link in comment, banner, or box. Generally opposed to making it more accessible than that:

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and the page menu which require enabling gadgets in preferences. And enabling Xtools by default for logged-in users might unduly increase server load. --

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per Thebiguglyalien, Joseph2302, et al. This is a poorly-thought through, hasty, vague proposal that detracts from the constructive work being done at

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what matters to me. If I have a choice between a popular and unpopular page, and both matter to me, then I will probably edit the popular page more. --

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I know that is typical protocol, but I wanted to discuss it in a singular place first. Multiple discussions over multiple RMs would be confusing.

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for titles, and it's the last one, because it's the least important one. I get nervous whenever anyone endeavors to "make all titles consistent."

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shall be promoted to the main page in chaotic order." Plus, regardless of whether this will weed out everything, "Current events" already : -->

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There are very few clear black-and-white rules regarding article titles (or anything else on Knowledge). Does common name take priority? Yes,

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what will work. For example, I don't want to add any more server load. Adding a link to a submenu of the tools menu adds no server load. --

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wasn't on most talk pages. For those pages, the situation was identical to how it was now, so I don't get why this is such a huge issue. ―

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You haven't stated whether you oppose or support a page views link in the tools menu. Please say so in the previous talk section above. --

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As for consistency being low priority, that's more my opinion, or my analysis of how these things usually go, than a "rule" or policy.

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float or brainstorm ideas for those who are interested (like the idea lab, or, in this case, WT:ITN). RFC is an "expensive" process.

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Sure it doesn't bother you - and that's why you and others can opt-in to it. A jumpy interface isn't very nice for causal readers. —

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This talk page header already has a lot of clutter. I am against adding anything else to it; if anything, it should be simplified. ―

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such an article, and I then take satisfaction in knowing that we had some background on the topic available to the reading public.

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and those without. For those with a common name, we use that name, regardless of whether it's consistent with anything else. So,

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on 18 April 2023 due to a security issue. After that, the Annual readership template was changed into just a text with a link to

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notes, this proposal "will not result in any kind of useable consensus," but in workshopping that future proposal, I agree with

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as with the page menu discussed below. That means scrolling would no longer be necessary to see all the links in the tools menu.

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appears to be that the template should be kept, but noincluded and made invisible, pending a solution for the Graph extension.

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from all talk pages, and use this location instead. This way the number of links to page views on talk pages goes from around

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questions. I made other suggestions. That's not badgering. What happens next is up to others. I don't edit the tools menu. --

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generally prefers the name that is most commonly used ... as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above

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within the category. Including the type of place as well as year and location in some article titles will also better suit

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And yet it appears to be broke, or at least making weird beeping noises and vibrating more than the manual says it should.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Oh I see, I didn't know that was possible. Still, I'd prefer to discuss it here without any actual actions taken first.

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That's an overreduction. ITN is also new and expanded articles. Two of the DYK goals are still about being interesting.

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What the change would do is remove the "it appears in the news so it should be on the Knowledge frontpage" denotation.

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Maybe it's more of a British English thing but it means being excessively verbose in a non-meaningful way. Someone who

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I have to find the snake endemic to Egypt for a project, but there doesn't seem to be one? Can someone kindly add it?

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Striking my vote, better to have an early close and to come up with a more fleshed-out proposal. See reasoning in the

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I don't know if you have read the previous talk sections. But the goal is to make the pageviews link more accessible.

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to bring them in line with pages in other categories pertinent to attacks in indoor places in the United States, per

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is way too vague of a proposed change, and that a much better and more precise proposal should've been workshopped.

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It names the page creator, and has a link to "full page statistics" that goes here (it is filled in automatically):

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explains how to install your own custom CSS. Switching to a different font should be relatively straight-forward.

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It doesn't help anyone else, but if you personally want a more concise talk page header I recommend adding to your

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follow the common name, but it does mean the common name is a very strong factor in this multi-factorial analysis.

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and choose your battles. At best, try again in a year or so, after the situation with the non-working charts bug (

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the means to make a pageviews link more accessible. See my reply to Mathglot a few paragraphs up for more info. --

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So, I'm pretty confused. Does common name take priority? I've heard different things from different people now.

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Putting the page views on all the pages will make editors feel like someone else (i.e., you) has told them that

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for an early close. I don't want this kept open just so that it can be treated as a chew toy by ITNC regulars.

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I'm interested in improving the interface for everyone, not just myself. A personal CSS hack doesn't do that.

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a RFC is highly likely to be forthcoming from revamping ITN and a new name might fall out of that naturally.

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I appreciate seeing so many ITN regulars commenting here. It's interesting to see your (plural) comments. -

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This is a name change proposal, it in no way hinders whatever 'process proposals' people are working on. -

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I say do both. But if not in the tools menu, let's start here in the talk header template. We could remove

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careful. The next thing you know, editors are thinking about the fact that almost a million people read

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Overall, I like the idea of a slightly more informative title. After a while, they all blur together (

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No opinion yet on whether or not this proposal should be implemented, but could you please explain why

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I doubt that's why Page views isn't that visible; most likely it just wasn't considered that important.

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does not mean "must be the same." Even "consistent" doesn't mean "the same." WP:CONSISTENT continues,

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I don't see any value in adding the word "supermarket" to a title unless it's needed to disambiguate .

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I now only support making the pageviews link more accessible through the tools menu (if submenus added

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The statistics bar is below both article and talk pages. There are separate stats for the talk page.

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https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pageinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Kamala%20Harris%202024%20presidential%20campaign

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A link to page views is also available in the "External tools" bar near the top of the history page.

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What if I don't want a sans serif font? Can I set things up to use a serif font in article text? --

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there has been a history of consensus among editors regarding several areas where consistency does

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Have you looked at the discussion at WT:ITN? It's full of non-ITN regulars, which is a good thing.

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BTW, if you'd like to figure out how your favorite page compares, then here are a few key numbers:

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For those that don't have a common name, there are four other equally or more important criteria:

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community. And regardless of how this discussion turns out, I welcome the community's thoughts. -

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RfC to allow the RFCBEFORE discussion to finish but I'm not at my computer. Somebody else should.

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It is very easy to assume "I want this; therefore almost everyone wants this". I'm telling you:

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You should get to pick the articles that you want to work on. I suggest to you that a page like

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Also, The tools menu is currently on nearly all pages whether one is logged in or not. That is a

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Should this RfC be closed early to allow the WT:ITN RFCBEFORE discussion to reach a conclusion?

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to see the numbers (or, for now, a link to the numbers) whenever they venture onto a talk page.

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take kindly to folks who aren't from around here. Most regulars do, too. But once you fit in,

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The average Knowledge reader is more interested in page views than those arcane statistics. --

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That hasn't happened with DYK, but the ITN thing has already repetitively happened with ITN.

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New pages aren't generally proposed, they're just created (i.e. someone could start editing

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You would get instead "this is a current event so it should be on the Knowledge frontpage".

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to shorten the menu). The other options were not as good (see reasons in the discussions).

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I learned a lot from this discussion which I wouldn't have learned without the discussion.

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has been hidden from view on all pages it is on. So that accessible pageviews link is gone.

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You, or some committee, shouldn't be determining what is important to editors and readers.

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Page view statistics. Could we perhaps make the page view link appear more prominently?

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is part of Wikimedia, and so I think its servers can handle it if tweaked as needed. --

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I'm kinda ambivalent now as there's some support for my proposal of "Current events".

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Yeah... welcome to Knowledge, where if you ask three people, you'll get six answers.

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RM has a procedure in place for multiple pages as well. You should go read up on it.

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doesn't mark it as being associated with any particular national variety of English.

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editors are likely to see it as they look at all the menus on pages over time. They

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average readers and editors are more interested in page views than other statistics

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Knowledge:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 25#Extra link in the tools menu?

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and seeing what comes up there. If you find anything substantial, maybe you could

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Mass renaming of articles in Category:Attacks on supermarkets in the United States

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BEFORE discussion is finished and ideas are hashed out is a recipe for disaster.

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I think we would go a long way towards fixing this if we simply remove the word "

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rather than being focused on the popularity of the page", even if you think it's

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I'd like the record to show nothing happening there for 30 hours and 3 minutes.

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BEFORE discussion is finished and ideas are hashed out is a recipe for disaster.

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while it had the graph of pageviews. Apparently, that does not matter to you. --

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to your common.css, and that should do it. (If it doesn't, please ping me from

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I feel like such a big change should've had some sort of workshopping first.

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This is why you should have workshopped this rather before starting an RFC.

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welcome to Knowledge, where if you ask three people, you'll get six answers

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The main reason I even proposed this was because I attempted to rename the

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Annual readership is currently used on 53,510 talk pages. The consensus on

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it usually fits the 5 article title criteria the best. That doesn't mean

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If you want, you can take a look at other pre-existing pages listed at

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is right there. (And, for many, and a slightly different application,

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I don't think this is a good idea, forcing all editors (and even all

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are aware that the page views link is on the "page information" page:

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itself is written with some rather weak language and caveats, e.g.

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It has potential. And yes, I see you. You're not from around here.

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NOTBURO to say that an RfC should be a free for all is ridiculous.

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That's exactly how I meant it, possibly it is British English but

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should care about page views so much that you are trying to force

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You forgot to link to the page where you experienced a problem. —

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Why would it happen with DYK? What would it look like if it did?

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concise, and in my view, more natural and recognizable, than "

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A "RFC" = a "request for comment". no more, no less. It is a

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Waffle‽ I love my yellow syrupy pastry, but what is waffle?

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Wouldnt it be great to look at articles in like comic sans

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the primary intention of the section. I think the intro to

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Check to see whether your proposal is already described at

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and be put on a page called "Print/export". So that would

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proposals. Consider developing earlier-stage proposals at

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Donald Albury - comfortable going to page history for it.

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to see how they are structured, as well as the template

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Hi all. I am proposing the mass renaming of articles in

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I hope I got everybody's views correctly summarized. --

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Alternate name suggestions are of course welcome : ) -

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Turn MoreMenu gadget on by default. Add pageviews link

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this cuts most of it out but leaves the search box. –

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Thanks for the tip honestly wasn't aware it existed

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Well, if that's the purpose, then let's call it that

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The following discussion is an archived record of a

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a variety of opinions on what exactly that order is.

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No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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So that means less stuff on the talk page. -- 853:Put page views link in talk header template too 822:now support the tools menu over other locations 514:Same menu, but with an extra "Page views" link. 4368:Module talk:Message box#Please add param class 4357:Reducing strife about Talk page banner clutter 1568:It lists the number of editors, watchers, and 535:. The Graph extension which the template used 431:For a listing of ongoing discussions, see the 4060:. Also noting that I've requested a close at 2385:A summary of the conclusions reached follows. 1452:I think it is very bad for Knowledge's future 4970:. So common name will usually take priority 4872:2019 Jersey City kosher supermarket shooting 4665:2019 Jersey City kosher supermarket shooting 2196:xaosflux - opposed to making XTools default. 1712:It's important to the many people who liked 1488:Knowledge:WikiProject Politics/Popular pages 826:require moving many of the links to submenus 2433:, and also thereby re-theme the process. - 2431:Knowledge:Articles featuring current events 898:{{NUMBEROF|ARTICLES|en|N}}. That is around 258:Discussions or proposals which warrant the 216:Knowledge talk:Criteria for speedy deletion 5373:, although a list article still exists at 1757:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets 1550:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets 2235:If you want a pageviews link in your own 5321:To get you started, you might look into 1745: 1534: 420:Review of the RfA discussion-only period 5121:wikt:Appendix:Unicode/Ethiopic Extended 4613:2022 Buffalo Topps supermarket shooting 3850:about the scope of the proposal as per 3549:And I appreciate your comments as well. 2169:Unknown as to tools menu with submenus: 1475:about this factor. In fact, you think 601:Few editors, and fewer average readers, 473: 231:Knowledge:WikiProject Council/Proposals 14: 5396: 2245:below all article and talk page titles 824:to add a pageviews link. But it would 3112:Generally speaking, "current events" 2722:reduces the chance of messy closes. – 2298:, I think you need to start with the 1290:condescending to editors and readers: 5038: 4951: 4677:Eaton Township Weis Markets shooting 3433:Discussion (rename and re-theme ITN) 2607:Like I said, just "Current events". 41: 5339:is often given as Cleopatra's asp. 4751:I know, I just want to discuss it. 4697:This should really be done through 4656:2024 Fordyce grocery store shooting 3363:. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 1884: 1781:needs to be added to the page menu, 1085:.talkheader-body) { display:none; } 911:for discussing improvements to the 737:So you feel that "page views" is a 24: 4987:To the extent that it is practical 4600:2021 Boulder King Soopers shooting 1818:needs to be added to the page menu 181:. You may also wish to search the 25: 5420: 5371:Category:Reptiles of North Africa 5167:and the pages they link to, e.g. 5001:, and the first example given is 4652:2024 Fordyce supermarket shooting 4609:2022 Buffalo supermarket shooting 4596:2021 Boulder supermarket shooting 3818:also thereby re-theme the process 2488:Support (rename and re-theme ITN) 2164:WhatamIdoing (in another thread). 2117:Summary and count. Pageviews link 1797:to click the pageviews link. ---- 1209:100 page views per year: top 40% 1200:100K page views per year: top 1% 891:around 726,000 article talk pages 743:replace something less important. 487:Page views link in the Tools menu 38:Discussion page for new proposals 5039: 4952: 4819:policy is applied: those with a 4808:, which is just one of the five 4622:2022 Chesapeake Walmart shooting 4348:The discussion above is closed. 4016:Pinging previous participants: @ 2776:Oppose (rename and re-theme ITN) 2541: 2538:) 12:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC) 2057:here seems to have petered out. 1206:1K page views per year: top 20% 1203:10K page views per year: top 5% 928:Click here to start a new topic. 507: 495: 4866:" is certainly as precise, and 2869:talks a lot but says little. — 2029:here. 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( 1247:06:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC) 1223:06:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC) 1184:I pulled the page views counts 1166:07:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC) 1151:07:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC) 1138:00:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC) 1109:03:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC) 847:03:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC) 567:I know there are scripts like 101: 13: 1: 4919:2019 El Paso Walmart shooting 4637:2019 El Paso Walmart shooting 2241:User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js 2033:territory, and it's probably 1096:15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 1072:09:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 1037:01:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 1013:11:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC) 925:Put new text under old text. 815:09:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 794:01:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 760:10:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC) 733:03:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC) 707:09:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC) 691:21:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC) 675:11:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC) 639:21:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC) 625:19:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC) 585:18:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC) 569:User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js 4627:Collierville Kroger shooting 2480:states this pretty clearly. 2134:working again including me. 1795:don't have to leave the page 1783:or the "analysis" submenu. 264:Knowledge:Village pump (WMF) 253:Knowledge:Requested articles 7: 4229:And not a moment too soon! 2425:This proposal is to rename 933:New to Knowledge? 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