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specific manual of style conventions, and that we should fix those problems. What I don't agree with, however, is the fact that we have created a separate template 10 years ago which has barely been used, when we could have applied all of this onto one template. I, personally, don't like the aesthetic of Football squad player2, even though I realize that it does resolve those MoS issues. In my opinion, we should directly "fix" Football squad player, rather than having a separate one used for specific countries. Maybe by simply replacing
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helpful, and the scholars cited in that section of the article think so too". The implied requirement is, of course, that we support the use of trees with discussion cited to scholarly sources - generally, not difficult. I should say that it is not possible to determine from a poorly-written and poorly-cited article (alas! they are more numerous than orcs...) whether a tree in use there could have been so cited. Discussion, as with all notability cases, needs to centre on the sources available, were anyone to use them.
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like for you this is a political /social justice issue and being pragmatic is alien to you. By the way, majority of people cannot differentiate (all of the) flags - lack of knowledge - but we have the option to move our cursor over the flag and see name of the country. It takes 1 second. But why be sensible and rational when we can worship the rules and dictate others how things should look.
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then people should go right ahead; and may we use trees in Tolkien's legendarium, yes, when they help then of course, keep them. When collapsed they take up almost no space, and the number of bytes used is trivial, so if the benefit is "lots of confused readers helped" and the cost is "quite trivial,
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On one hand, your argument is that flags are entirely unnecessary and should be removed, but on the other hand you also argue that some people don't have the ability to understand flags so we MUST write name of the countries next to the flag making it seem like flags are really important. It's almost
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where the players mainly come from the home nations, a flag is ample for identifying their nation allegiance, adding the nation's name too is simply clutter. At least in the lower leagues, it is more interesting and relevant to see a players age, or their specific position (not just FW, MF, DF, GK),
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Please note, given the change in the initial proposal and subsequent comments, I do not support any merger that results in a new format differing from the existing Football squad player template (this is what I understood the proposal was initially). If a merger is approved, the new format will also
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to be visually lacking, especially on larger screens. It leaves too much empty space on page. Just imagine using this template for teams that have 30+ registered first team players with another list of 15+ loaned out players just below that. Maybe if we enabled users to includ some additional info
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I wrote elsewhere: "My take is that where the tree illuminates, we should keep it, and where it clouds, we should delete it. Bilbo's relationships say a lot about him - both quiet Baggins and adventurous Took, both middle-class and with a link to the airs-and-graces Sackville-Bagginses, it's very
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It's clear that you don't oppose the merge per-se, rather the way I'm proposing the merge. Obviously, having two templates that do the same thing is redundant. What we need to agree on is whether to keep Football squad player or Football squad player2. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that it violates
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Obviously, if we answer question 1 in the negative, we should delete this and most of the other family tree templates. But if we answer both questions in the affirmative, we should focus on merging/consolidating family tree templates. Though the Finarfin family tree is used nowhere at present,
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The only abomination is that you assume every reader of articles on the sport has the ability to understand all of the pretty pictures you insist on seeing next to player names. The flags are entirely unnecessary, but if the project insists on seeing the, ACCESS must be respected.
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has been created 10 years ago, and the vast majority of club articles, including FAs and GAs, don't use it. Also, in my opinion what looks awful is having a single column, and having to scroll up and down to view players instead of having them all in one single viewable space.
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If the nation name is not necessary, why include the flag? Purely as decoration? Not all reader can hover o determine the link. The nation shouldn't be linked to start with. Can't link the national football team either as not all players represented the nation at that level.
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visually, it's clear and has none of the boxing. A sortable table isn't necessary either when there are usually 20 to 30 players listed - eyes can sort it easily. If there is a much bigger squad of 40 or more then sortable may be helpful. So, for me and my team, it's
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they should be merged. I have no opinion on the what the final output of a merged template should be, as long as the relevant Knowledge policies are followed. This seems to have been discussed extensively in the past, including
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nation is not that important, more of an extra decoration, and the flag covers that perfectly, even if hovering is problematic for some users. I realise this may be different for teams in higher leagues. I like
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The two column list when viewing on mobile is an awful visual experience, and the single column formnat benefits from been able to sort by name, nationality or squad number. Those benefits mean I prefer
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Sportsfan 1234 has now made me aware that in some places a section-transclusion format is being used that would replace these types of templates and make the entire series obsolete. I have started a
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on the use of templates vs. sections. If folks support the sections (which I am currently in favor of), the whole series of these navboxes will be unnecessary and I will recommend deletion. --
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is sensible. On the general question(s) may we use trees in fiction, yes of course, if they help readers understand and navigate complex material in anything from Jane Austen novels to
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to be much worse in terms of listing long squads of 25+ players (which are the general case in football teams), apart from being visually lacking. If the proposal goes in favour using
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Since part of reason 2 is "better-designed template", then Football squad player is the one that should be deleted as it fails ACCESS by a stadia, and neither meets OVELRINK.
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All squad/player lists should clearly be handled by one template, both these templates have the same general purpose. The particular formatting is another discussion of
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In short, are you making the claim that Football squad player does meet accessibility guidelines or simply stating that because it's used all over the place, it's fine?
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Should we even have family trees at all? Some relationships between characters are important, but including so many minor descendants could be seen as indiscriminant.
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as the "default" option, then I am definitely opposing to it. Also, a football squad template discussion, if any necessary, should better be take place first on
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standards which the current template does not. This is a change that has been long overdue. I think the original football squad player has served its purpose.
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First of all, this vote should be done from the beginning. Maybe it wasn't on purpose, but author made it seem like merge option means making all articles use
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as they serve the same purpose of listing players. I am neutral on what specific formatting should be used, as long as it is consistent across all articles.
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about players other than name, shirt #, position and nationality to fill in the page? DoB or number of caps and goals for current club for example?
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If we do retain some family trees, should each character have their own family tree, or should we re-use a small number of family tree templates?
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Fictional trees should be removed categorically TBH. Some real person's heritage might generally be interesting , but fictional ones are not
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I have now converted the 1952 Olympic football tournament to use section transclusion rather than templates. My recommendation is now to
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to which it links; each of those nine game templates is now unused. The goal ultimately will be to obsolete this series of template. --
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per Walter, RexxS and Struway. The problem isn't this template; it's the footy project's seeming blind spot regarding accessibility.
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by listing the nation not simply presenting the flag. It is used on most North American league articles. It is transcluded into
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ignore ACCESS? FAs and GAs do not look for accessibility or other concerns. Do not attempt to conflate them perfect articles.
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should be deleted as that is displayed in two columns which look awful. And I will maintain those articles that currently use
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Full country name isn't necessary since the focus is on the players, not what country they are arbitrarily affiliated with.
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should ideally be the place where to start a discussion regarding a common template which can keep the advantages of
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for any of the teams, and therefore it is a non-navigational navbox, one of many made by a now indeffed user.
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all have intertwined family trees that include pieces of this one. Perhaps we should merge all four trees to
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I just wanted to clarify my position, as I might have not explained myself correctly. I would ideally prefer
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before being rolled out, rather than a random design like those suggested here unilaterally implemented.
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Football squad player2 is redundant to a better-designed and more used template (Football squad player).
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I find it hard to understand how could anyone propose anything other than removing abomination that is
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way per Walter Görlitz. While I appreciate aesthetics, that should be a secondary concern, always. --
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That's quite far from being a proper discussion about the possible evolution of the templates.
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Clearly redundant templates should be avoided, just as is done with any other page. Per
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Pointless having two templates that do the same thing and just leads to inconsistency.
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Majority of the links are red. The two blue links are all linked on the main article
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Let me guess: you're sighted, use a desktop browser and have never read MOS:ACCESS.
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What policy or rationale is there that all lists should be handled by one template?
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It is not redundant. Football squad player2 was designed to avoid issues around
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on the matter on the talk page. Please comment there to help gain a consensus
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No need for two templates with the same function, best to merge into one (
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Template:1952 Summer Olympics football convenience template navbox
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Keep both, horses for courses. I mainly edit a lower league team,
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and unobtrusive" then the balance is overwhelmingly Keep.
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does solve. Therefore, my proposed example above (see
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