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Why wait until they are redundant? They are going to be redundant, they shouldn't be kept just because it is slightly quicker to update information. They should be substituted by tables, which is what has happened for previous seasons and there was no problem updating info then.
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Many such templates excist to be used in multiple articles and even in many different languages. It makes the style more consistent and safe a ton of work. Why should these templates be singled out among the many sports templates lying around? The suggestion seems illplaced.
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