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number - far too many for stub sorting to be a task anyone could reasonably undertake. Look at it also from an editor's poit of view. Stub cateories are kept to sizes where an editors can find a moderate number of stubs on a specialist area - not so many that they are swamped with them, and not so few that they have to hunt through several categories to find any articles that they can edit easily. Over time, the size of 60-800 stubs has become regarded as an optimum for both these tasks. Easy mistake to make, though it is mentioned on quite a few Knowledge pages (WP Fish really should have a note re stub template creation on its project page - a lot of wikiprojects do). Yeah, sturgeon's are lovely (though sadly I'm both allergic to and too poor to regularly taste their most famous product). Unfortunately, that's not enough in itself for a stub type, though :)

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been during the course of history, bio-stubs would very rapidly become impossible to organise effectively if these were all used for stub-sorting purposes. As such, an effective compromise position is to use modern national boundaries. That way, We have, for instance, France-bio-stub rather than French, Normand, Breizh, Euskra, Occitan, Lorraine, Aquitain, Corse, Elsezz, Savoie, Gallic, Angevin, Provencal, Burgundian, Frankish, Neustrian, Austrasian, Ostrogothic, Lombard, Soissonais, and Visigothic bio-stubs. And France is a relatively simple example - you should see what it would be like to split Russia up this way. Yes, the case is simpler still with North America, but it sets a precedent which could easily come back to bite us.

947:. This one was approved for creation at WP:WSS/P. Unlike other ethnicity stubs, which often cause problems, a separate stub type for the Roma was seen as useful simply because they do not have a homeland, and as such, specific nation-specific stubs were seen as unlikely to be useful. This one has never been seen to be a problem with regard to soapbox issues, and 78 is well above the standard threshold of 60 for creation of a stub type. If some of the articles are not stubs, then feel free to remove the stub tag from those articles, as is standard practice. A quick scan of the category reveals this to be the case with only a small minority of the articles, however (of the 12 I checked at random, all were stubs). 390:— Because it's a stub that points to an ethnic name of an ancient and modern people. As with any stub of this sort, a flag is the most common picture in use for this kind of stub categories. The fact that you absolutely loathe the Assyrian flag does not give you the right to go berserk and nominate the stub for deletion every five seconds. What's it to you if the Assyrian flag is included? Please do tell, why does it bother you to include the Assyrian flag? Don't just state "IT'S CONTROVERSIAL", state specifically why you oppose the Assyrian flag. There is nothing controversial about this flag unless you make it a controversy. — 2999:

strong feelings either way, and obviously committed a neophyte mistake, I don't entirely understand why a stub-category with 30 stubs is "too small". It's quite convenient to a person who's working their way through the sturgeons to see on a single page which ones urgently require content, whereas they are lost in a sea (if you will) of fish-stubs. Perhaps I am somehow misunderstanding the purpose of categorization. Either way, it was a good exercise just to make a template. Besides, as the most proportionate and lovely of all possible fish, surely the sturgeon deserve special treatment ;). Best,

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for Wikiprojects. They are intended as a method of bringing articles to the attention of knowledgeable editors. That requires stub types to generally possess two characteristics. The first is that there be a body of knowledgeable editors that would be able to make use of the stub. The existence of a Wikiproject of similar scope is generally taken as proof of that. But the other is that stub sorters and other editors will be able to use it to bring it to their attention. Placed as it is in the stub hierarchy, that's doubtful at present. It might improve a little bit if placed in fashion similar to

566:. Few of these articles benefit from being Assyrian stubs; most of the available cites are archaeological. While I strongly disagree with Cat's persistent "I don't like it" sentiment in putting this nomination forward, I don't see this Assyrian stub template providing much value. Some voices have said "more articles will be added". This is losing sight of the purpose here. We'd be far better off eliminating these stubs by fleshing them out to full articles. Achieving a large stub population is an achievement of dubious merit. We're not here to build a stub garden. 1468:- what is this stub for? It could be any of them (or any of dozens of other things - here in Otago alone there are many associations with the abbreviation OTA, and the same will be true in Oregon, Ontario, Oklahoma...). Second, the category for the Orthodontics Technical Association (for that is what this stub is for) contains a mere 15 articles in total. there are unlikely to ever be enough stubs for this stub type to reach a viable threshold. It's also an unlikely subtype of 4655:

than accept that or go against the rejection and create a stub template (either upmerged or with a dedicated category) has simply made a misnamed category with no template, thereby making things trickier and messier for all concerned. Both her Pegship and I have suggested to the editor that a list on a user subpage would be a more practical and useful solution for all concerned. The category, though, should be

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we merge those counties with the current Cleveland region and merge the remainder with both Southern and Southeastern — the only counties with significant populations in both of those regions are Scioto, Lawrence, Athens, and Washington? This would result in a single category for all of Appalachian Ohio, minus the Cincinnati and Columbus counties, which undoubtedly would be properly named Appalachian Ohio.

556:— I recently added a Mesopotamian map to a number of cities of Assyrian antiquity (I roughly define antiquity as the period of history where there is more to learn by digging than by reading preserved texts, which has a strong correlation to the kind of cites available to support the article). For these pages the stub category that would have been most clear to me would be something along the lines of 196:. As a method of bringing articles to the attention of interested editors, this stub is likely of marginal value, precisely because it does not fall within the usual stub types, and hence unlikely to be applied by anyone not associated with Wikiproject Assyria. Also the template does get used in non-customary ways on some bio stubs. For instance, if 4555:

pretty hefty WikiProjects consider having a stub type, and very few of them are viable stub types (at the moment, the Beatles is the only band with a stub template) - most WikiProjects understandably find the talk-page banner templates far more useful. In this case, there is a smallish WikiProject, and they already use an assessment template (

484:– Do not use this obviously politically motivated stub for all Syriac-related articles, but only for Assyrian(ist) articles. That is, those articles that deal with the modern Assyrian nation, meaning those Syriacs who consider themselves Assyrians, and carry the Assyrian flag. Perhaps renaming the stub to "Syriac" would be more appropriate. -- 349:, and it fills a very important function for the project. There is no policy whatsoever on Knowledge that prohibits the Assyrian flag being used for this stub. New Assyria-related articles are constantly created and categorized under this stub category, and it fills a useful function for us who are working with WikiProject Assyria. — 2242: 2386:: "Great Britain is the name used by the United Kingdom at the Olympic Games." Given that the scope is "the UK", it would cause untold confusion to have the "UK-" template not sort here, and indeed, further confusion if a "GB-" or "GreatBritain-", which is only used on a very few templates where the scope actually 5121:

Since we have state level templates or categories for all states that feed into the regional categories, one would expect these would see little use and indeed, they are unused, and therefore apparently unneeded. We're not yet at the point where deleting the regional categories and letting the State

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The user who created this did propose it at WP:WSS/P, where it was pointed rejected as a proposal, on the grounds that there were not enough stubs, that Irish stubs are split by county, not city, and that the proposed stub type would be mixing geo- struct- and other stubs. The creator of this, rather

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is a pretty massive dab page). If this is for reigning female royals, it is already adequately covered by several different stub types. if, as I suspect, it's for the band, then almost everything is already cover by various song-stub, video-stub and musician-stub types. Generally, only musicians with

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Summary so far - looks like the idea of a realignment by regions is acceptable - the big question is which counties should be in which divisions. Any chance on some more comments for possible consensus on this? And if so, is there any chance of spelling out which counties go where for those of us who

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Qualified support for using 14. We might want to consider bumping Ashland County over from Northwest Ohio to Northeast Ohio as well (giving us 15 of the 16 counties in the 16 county region) since Northwest Ohio at present has the most counties (25) and it's debatable whether Ashland is Northwest or

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No ethnicity has a common flag picture. Flags are by nature political. Flag of Assyria belongs to an aspired country. It's use on any modern topic will be a problem for that reason. It is like an endorsement of country status. I believe the flag in question is banned in some countries where Assyrians

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yet that article was marked with this stub. However, let's not belabor that point. Practically every stub category has a few dubious articles attached to it. The main problem with this stub type is that a large number of these articles appear to have little possibility for expansion. For example,

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seem to require significant multi-ing. I'd be rid of them if I could, though, since as often noted, the African regions have definitional issues, which become more acute with such templates than with the corresponding categories. There's also the "legacy" issues, to which the best remedy is, don't

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There are good, logical reasons for that "bias in favour of the modern state", as you put it. There is a bias, but it is a bias in favour of an acceptable number of stub types and organisation of stubs, not a bias against ethnicities. Given the huge number of ethnicities and nation-states there have

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Unproposed, and given that the parent category has just 64 articles (of which nearly half are for followers of meher baba, who would not normally get a religion-stub added), there is little chance of this reaching the required number of currently existing stubs. Currently used on three stubs, one of

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I'm the sturgeon-stub culprit. I was completely unaware of the stub-proposing protocol, threshold issues, etc. I thought it might be a way to help highlight the fact that the sturgeons are very poorly covered, and dropped a note off to that effect on the Fish Project page. While I don't have very

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is problematic in my mind, as that official designation covers most of the light blue region as well. Most of the counties in Appalachian Ohio are less developed than other counties statewide, and by removing Wayne, Stark, Mahoning, and Trumbull Counties we wouldn't have a very big region. What if

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Actually, yes they were. WikiProject templates are fine when used by wikiprojects for keeping track of all relevant articles, but those articles that are still stubs are also marked with a stub template by WP:WSS/P. In this case, that is exactly what is happening here - these articles are stubs, and

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Couldn't wikiproject method of tracking (talk pages) be used. The intention of the stub template seems to be what wikiproject talk templates are doing. Wikiproject talk templates weren't available when this teimplate was WP:WSS/P approved. While I agree that this template is relatively problem free,

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No, only a fringe minority within the Assyrian people rejects the Assyrian ethnicity. Don't exaggerate their so called significance. This stub is used for all sorts of Assyrian related topics. The modern ethnic group as well as ancient Assyrian (including generic Mesopotamian topics) topics. This is

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but that project tries to be amicable with other WikiProjects. Still, they don't automatically get stub types, those some of the guidelines, such as numbers of stub articles are relaxed for them. Still, the fact remains that stub types are not intended as a primary method of article categorization

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I'd be completely okay with deleting the templates but the regional categories are still useful. I'm working like crazy to create enough station articles to get as many US states their own stub category but it will be a while before that project will be completed. Even when I'm done there are some

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Yeah, I get the same feeling, which is why I said (rather clumsily, I'll admit) that it wasn't really a case of going against the rejection by defiantly creating a stub type. It would still make sense if this was deleted and turned into a user subpage, even if one or the other of us has to help set

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Unproposed, unused, strangely named, and contrary to the stub hierarchy. There is no such thing as an "Aquatic Invert", and it sounds dubiously like turning water upside down. What there are are aquatic invertebrates (lower case, full word), and invertebrates, for stub purposes, are split by family

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I created the template and yeah, it should be moved (I admit, not the best name choice). The problem is that all of the N. Korea footballers were put in the same category with South Korean footballers, which is definitely wrong, seeing as they play for two different states. The so-called permcat is

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ancient Assyrian topics. It's also for covering modern Assyrians, modern Assyrian organisations, and so on. But as it seems, Pieter, you want to delete this stub because you are against the modern Assyrian ethnicity. I seriously doubt you'd care otherwise. You've been running around and obsessively

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Managed to stumble on these while I was looking for any other uncapitalized Sri Lanka stub templates (of which there are none). Not used, though the names were proposed when per country Caribbean templates were proposed and rejected back in the days before we did upmerged templates as much as we

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That's pretty much what was proposed in the first place. The only questions were whether any counties currently in East Central Ohio and that are in Appalachian Ohio would be placed in Northeast Ohio instead because of their membership in a CSA (as has already been done in the case of Appalachian

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got to do with it? This isn't a bio-stub - it's a general stub for culture, history and the like. Most ethnicities - whether of recognised nations or not - are primarily tied to a specific location, and as such it's easy for ethnicity-based stubs to be assigned according to current boundaries. You

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Not proposed and, frankly, quite a mess. The template: uses the adjectival form; uses spaces rather than hyphens; capitalises all words; useds the term movie rather than film - all counter tol standard stub naming. The category: capitalises all words; uses the singular "stub"; uses the term movie

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as article explains was designed in 1968 and adopted it in 1971. Who adopted it is a different question that comes to my mind. The flag of "ancient Assyrians" can be used on articles about "ancient Assyria" and/or "ancient Assyrians". You do not use the modern Italian flag on Roman Empire related

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Whatever information available on ancient Assyrian kings is a merge for discussion topic. In any case, there are new articles created, like current events, modern Assyrians (yes, we still exist) and other Assyrian related issues. This stub fills the purpose of categorizing everything from ancient

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Look at it from two points of view. There are currently some 700,000 stubs on Knowledge (a conservative estimate). From the point of view of stub sorting, if there is no minimum limit on stub category size, then the current 3000 or so stub types would quickly balloon to a completely unmanageable

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I'd be willing to support deleting both AfricaX-geo-stub templates and their associated categories. All told there are only about 10 articles using the regional templates and about 150 articles using those plus upmerged country templates, so it would hardly be a burden to scrap the continental

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Unproposed, incorrectly named, and ambiguously scoped (the category claims its for mines and mining, and its suggests the emphasis is on the latter; the template claims that it's only for mines). Mines are normally given whatever the local geo-stub type is, though I can envisage a stub type for

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We should strive for some consistency of expectation as to whether these somewhat artificial subregional categories have a canonical template or not. I'd tend towards the view that we should be encouraging population of them via templates that have a 'natural' reason for existing, other than

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When the state was split eleven months ago, we did it on the basis of official boundaries, which are linked on the category headers. Admittedly, Ashland County (and to an extent, Richland County) was a problem, as it didn't fit nicely anywhere. Frankly, the idea of naming the category after

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was too biased in favor of the modern state (called "nationality" above) to be of any use when categorizing stubs relating to Indigenous peoples, who historically may be "stateless" and for whom "ethnicity" is often equivalent to "nationality". Regrettably, this nomination suggests that this

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The point of categorizing is to put different things in different boxes. This category, however, only muddles things up. Aside from that, only part of modern Assyrians claim the ancient ethnicity, but a significant part rejects this identification, which might make this stub an unnecessarily

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The one article that uses this is a Freddy Mercury solo single so it was clearly intended for the band and isn't needed for the reasons Grutness gave. Transforming it into a synonym for royal-stub, pageant-bio-stub, LGBT-stub, or any of the other options doesn't make much sense either.

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Part of the reason for this one is that it is often difficult or a non-sequitor to assign a country to them if they lived in an area where future political boundaries were unknown when they lived, or if they regularly changed domicile from one side to the other of the then non-border.

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Assyria (including Babylon, Sumer and Akkad), to modern Assyrians. This stub will still be useful in the future for other purposes than ancient Assyrian kings. It is not limited to ancient Assyrian kings. Also, since when is it not allowed to have a stub category for a wikiproject? —

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implies that this stub template carries a political message. It's scope is most strange. Both history related articles, political parties, TV stations, bio articles and other otherwise unrelated entities are tagged together following a country-stub like structure. This seems to be

2493:, so I propose we do some realignment and consolidation of four existing categories into two categories. For those who are concerned about abandoning the use of a CSA for one of the subregions, I point out that we already are using Northwest Ohio instead of the Toledo-Fremont CSA 2330:- if changed, GreatBritain-Olympic-Medalist-stub would be preferable for the template. Ideally, though, the template could remain at the current naming (or at the very least the current name should be left as a redirect). The category though probably should be changing. 1891:

not little-used, though. The problem is that information on North Korean football is very limited, putting it mildly, so I'll gladly believe that wikipedia has only 11 articles on North Korean footballers. Oh, and thanks for informing me of the nomination Grutness!

979:. There is no WP Roma. And even then, we'd still need some kind of stub template to mark any stub articles. So basically no, WP templates and stub templates perform different functions, and in this particular case a WP Talk page template wouldn't exist anyway. 3774:, though that seems to be equally vaguely defined, and every stub this could contain is already covered by other stub types (e.g., the stub type for music venues). Also no sign that it could reach the threshold level of 60 stubs. Currently used on one article. 2782:

Ohio counties in the Cincinnati and Columbus CSA's) and whether to tweak the boundary of Northwest Ohio to include in the new Northeast Ohio categories any counties that were placed in Northwest Ohio by default because they weren't part of the Cincinnati CSA.

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cannot do that simply with Roma, since the traditions and history are liberally distributed across a dozen or more countries. This makes it different from, say, a Tamil stub or a Han stub, where there are really only two or three countries primarily involved.

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is a disambiguation page. It does have an associated Wikiproject, but 3 stubs in over 6 months is hardly evidence of a need. Given that we've been splitting up Ohio by county for the geo and school stubs, suggest that if this stub is kept it be renamed to

4314:, which has hundreds of articles; this subcat will consistently have more than 100 articles in it when populated. As a regular writer of Native American biography, I know this stub category fills an obvious need, and has been periodically suggested at 4221: 1704:!). No opinion either way as to whether it should be renamed or outright deleted (it is connected with a WikiProject, though that doesn't seem to be using it), but one of the two needs to happen. If it can be shown to be useful and populated, 2726:

That could work, too. Ashland County is a micropolitan area, but not part of a larger metropolitan area. I don't know if most people consider it to be part of Northeast Ohio, but I know that I don't think of it as being in Northwest Ohio. -

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Oh really. First nomination was not my doing. Why are you insisting on the flag on the template? Numerous people including the closing admin of the second nomination suggested against it. Stub types are supposed to be non-controversial per

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Unproposed, and in serious need of work. Firstly, there's no such thing as a Dprk. There is a DPRK, mind you - it's known as North Korea, a term used as standard on stub templates. As such, if this is kept, then it should be renamed to

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I think we could speedy this (and spelling, punctuation, caps, etc issues) as 'blitheringly obvious', perhaps on the "after two days if there's been no objections" model of CFR speedies, if you'd like some process with that.

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I'm waiting until the last few countries reach the magical 60 mark before nominating them - there are only about five that haven't yet, and if I get some time I'm going to be trying to increase Burundi's stub total soon.

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Unproposed. Only one stub and little indication there'd be a viable number of stubs for this. Normally, that would mean an upmerge, but there's problems with the name of the template, too (is "eco" economy or ecology?).

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Romani people carry citizenship of the country they live in. They can be categorized as being from that country. There are many countryless nations. I do not really see a pressing reason for an exeption for this one.

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stubs to start-class today, and we're unlikely to create anything new unless it's at least that big. If you keep these things for historical reasons, though, you should know this has seen a lot of use in the past.

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Not sure I'd bother; more bookkeeping, and doesn't seem to be required on volume grounds. "By acclaim" seems workable, though I'd certainly not be opposed to outlining what's "speediable in 48h" in the header.

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Unproposed, misnamed, and unlikely to meet threshold. It is misnamed, since all other fish stub categories are named for the order or family, not for the common name. As such, if needed, this should have been at

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I have just created this template, as I couldn't find any template similar to this. Also I'm going to mark other pages too. I'm gonna rename it to Iran-writer-stub. Also I'll fill the category page as well.

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Could you please be more specific about how you envision the realignment? I imagine that you plan on retaining counties as the building blocks for the categories, but what would the new structure look like? -

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rather than film; has no stubcat parents; has inappropriate permcat parents (one of which is a redlink). The stub type overall: is not assured of reaching the required threshold. The template should be either

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create them in the first place, rather than having making, using for a while, deprecating, and then deleting them. (This may require the creation of more upmerged templates in the first instance, however.)

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want to close this but don't know anything about Ohio's geography? If there isn't a chance for consensus, is it perhaps simply worth upmerging these categories back into the parent Ohio geo and school cats?

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linked - in fact, virtually none of the categories that should be linked are) and its subtypes contain only 30 articles, so there's no way it could reach threshold as things stand. And at some 600 stubs,

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To be fair, I think the user's intent was to collect possible stub articles and not to thwart The Project...my sense is that he's not savvy about the categoryspace / userspace differentiation. I hope.

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Unless there are connotations to the word "Belarusian" which makes it inappropriate, this category should follow the standard practice for hist-stubs and use the adjectival form of the country's name.

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along with Crawford County which isn't part of the 13 county definition. I'm also comfortable with my original proposal for only 12 counties in Northeast Ohio as Trumbull and Mahoning are part of the

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they are marked with an apporoved and effective stub template. Unlike most "ethnicity" stubs, no national template would do the job as well here. In any case, a wikiproject template would work fine

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because of the sparsity of information available for most of the Ancient Assyrian kings, it probably would be best to merge articles for individual kings into articles on dynasties or even kingdoms.

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Modern Assyrians identify themselves as Assyrians. Assyrians is an ethnic group, thus a Nation. A nation requires a flag. Each nation decides the flag representing their nation. Simple, isn't it?

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As the not-so-official stub archivist, I let that one sit on the Proposals page until January 11, so there was plenty of time for debate. None forthcoming, I duly filed it. Hope no one objects.

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Hmm, must be that time of the year again where you become an annoying jerk. You proposed the same thing with this templae last year and it got rejected. This template is very important for

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But it must be understood, this stub template is not only used for ancient Assyria. It is also used for modern Assyrian people, and just about anything related to Assyria and Assyrians. —

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Well! i wasn't aware of following this procedure of proposing the creation of a stub template and will surely follow these in future. Other thing which i must mention is about the

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Why do people think adding a category to a stub type up for deletion will help? If it survives, the cat will be added, and if it doesn't then it's extra work to delete it.

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field an Olympic team, with precisely that scope. (Well, given or take some NIers who can choose to represent either the UK, or the Republic.) What you mean is that it's

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contains only 36 articles in total. So basically, not a useful split for the purposes of stub sorting. At the very least this would involve scrapping the category and

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Sorry for creating this stub type without a proposal. On second thoughts, I agree that the name of the stub is ambiguous and probably unnecessary. Delete if you wish.

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people. Such criteria is too broad. They should be two seperate stub templates at a minimum. Keep history topics to their own stub type seperate from everything else.

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These are good points. No resistance from me if the category is deleted. I can go through and change all the sturgeon-stubs back to fish-stubs if you like. Best,

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from the stub template, if it's kept in any form whatsoever. A SouthKorea- template sounds like a good idea, regardless of how the categories are lumped or split.

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Noticed this one while seeing the latest additions to TfD (one of which is a related template). Seems to be completely unused, and misnamed (it's not a subtype of

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Wikiprojects are not allowed to have private stub types. Stub types have solid non-controversial criteria which is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. --

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Stub type was never proposed and is used on 125 - 2 = 123 articles. Some tagged articles are rather one sentence seemingly created merely to inflate the count (

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Unproposed, unused, redlinked, and oddly named (is this because Arabic is written from right to left, perhaps?). Though I can see the logic of splitting

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Actually, stub templates are at best of marginal value to Wikiprojects. Keeping track of articles once found is a task for talk page templates such as

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IIUC, he's proposing that we keep all the per-county templates, but retarget them, deleting above four categories, and consolidating the contents into

2139:. Per Alai, who has brought to my attention policy which states that there should be a minimum of 60 articles in the category, this one only has 14. -- 879: 548: 144: 4121: 147:. The closing person of the last nomination listed 3 reasons to keep of which at least one (flag thing) has been revert wared over and was eventually 5165:

lumping/splitting size consideration, unless this is going to cause a problem via long precedent, heavy usage, or problems with multi-stubbing. So,

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along with Trumbull and Mahoning Counties so a case can be made for shifting it up to Northeast Ohio. Conversely Richland County is part of the

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Basically, by agreeing to the deletion you've already done what's necessary for it to be speediable. And thanks for re-editing the articles :)

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I'd favour sticking to proper supersets of the *SAs wherever possible, so I'd support that 14-county tweak if it's the most sensible such.

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a stub when the tag was added. Perhaps we should refrain from improving any of the other Romani stubs for fear of helping your argument? =)

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I've just noticed that this wouldn't be the correct name anyway - all othe people stub categories use the adjectival form, so it should be

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Mm - good point. It's a redirect rather than the main template, but it still doesn't fit with the naming conventions for stub templates.

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Created a while ago (3 by me) and I have only just noticed they do not comply to standard I propose the following are (speedy?) renamed.

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