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these articles: although I generally had the support and help from the other people in the Cross-dressing debate - Stbalbach, Benc, Fire Star (the last two of whom are admins) were helpful and supportive - AlexR has been another story, repeatedly claiming that citing the historical evidence is allegedly "POV". To address some of the claims he made above in his mediation request, I would point out that if the mediator examines the debate, it will be seen that: 1) I have never used the word "deviant", or anything similar, to describe transgendered behavior during the debate - AlexR invented that just now for inclusion in the above mediation request. 2) It's interesting to see him imply that the others in the debate opposed me, given that he had previously accused people like Fire Star of being too supportive of my position rather than vice-versa; and in his latest post to that debate he essentially labeled all of them "clueless" for not taking his position. You can see from the debate that I have not argued with any of these other people. 3) The current version which I am supporting was added by the admin Fire Star, not by myself (as was alleged above), and Fire Star put it in as an attempted compromise. 4) I have in fact repeatedly addressed AlexR's arguments concerning the issue of "POV", such as my posts on Oct 11th, 12th, 18th, etc. 5) I have never used insults. I'll let the mediator judge whether some of AlexR's own comments during the debate would qualify as such - he's already been warned at least once about personal attacks. 6) If you look at previous arguments he's been involved in, such as in "List of transgendered people" and "Cisgender", etc, you will find much the same pattern of behavior that he has exhibited in this debate. 7) The mistakes on my part (especially early in the process) which he is alluding to were the result of being new to
Knowledge and should not be cited against me.
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with editors who want the articles to conform more to their prejudices, but articles are not written by popular vote, but should represent facts, no matter how many people think otherwise. And with these matters, it tends to be quite many people who have quite big misconceptions about them and the people they pertain. And Mr. Williamson demanded, each and every time an edit he liked, that I should view this edit as a "compromise" which I should accept, and it did not matter at all how many factual errors and/or misconceptions that edit introduced, and started another rant against me when I did not. Somewho he has a funny idea of what a compromise is, not to mention that there are no compromises when it comes to facts. But facts is nothing he wants to hear about, and if necessary, twisting them is fine with him, too. I really tried to make him see reason, but he constantly refused to do so. Firestarters conclusion, that I feel like I am not exactly being listened too, is, as I already stated, most certainly correct. Funny though, that is one of the bits on the talk page Mr
Williamson never bothered repying to - not even with his now-famous "see my comments above/below" (which sometimes were and sometimes were not quite there).
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Messianic Jews which they are not. There is not a single orthodox Judaic authority which denounces the Netzarim as non-Judaic. I have asked him to name one and he has not. I did a lot of researchon the question and the facts which were presented were accurate. The challenge came from Jayig and the burden is thus sqarely on his shoulders to proove that the orthodox Jewish community denounce the Netzarim as Non-Jews (he claims they are non-jews rather than apostates, but I would even accept a denunciation of the netzarim as apostates as enough basis to re-phrase. However it should not be rephrased as Messianic-Jews because they simply are not.)
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portuguese and european portuguese being different, and whenever someone adds any info that could prove anything to be different, he simply deletes it instantly so nobody else can see it. i have pointed many references on the internet opposing many of his claims and proving much of what i wrote (i didn't even write much really, as edit wars were obvious forseen), but he simply ignores all of them and calls them "websites in english trying to cheat non-natives", while he doesn't back up any of his claims and just repeats that his claims are "real linguistic works" and that the rest is "non-sence".
2021:. He claims to be removing POV material and demands documentation, but no matter how minutely referenced, removal continues. Most references are unacceptable in his view including references which are generally accepted in the scholarly community. When negotiation is attempted he pleads lack of time and energy, but continues to have plenty of time and energy for his edit wars with me and other editors. I know he must agree to mediate and set aside time for mediating, but the destructive effect of his constant edit warring mandates that some action be taken.
2127:, as I have been hoping to find some way short of arbitration of getting him to respect Knowledge norms, which he has heretofore violated with seeming relish and abandon. As a simple example, he recently created a highly visible, deep red "Rogue admin" list on the top of his user page, and included me and two other admins on that list, one of whom had only become an admin hours before, and had not even had a chance to exercise his admin powers. Requests from other editors to remove the list were to no avail, though
2507:, a string of new users have come along for the sole purpose of fighting with Chuck. Chuck agreed to mediation but requested that these users not participate in mediation, and I agree: They are trolls and they should not be a part of this. They deserve to be disciplined, but separately from this dispute. If the mediators feel they should be included, please communicate this to Chuck.
2259:, which is a region of Alberta, Canada, where approximately one-third of the world's petroleum supplies exist. For many years oil companies have been talking about exploiting this resource as a way of producing more oil for world consumption. If Hubbert's peak if correct and we are beginning to run out of oil, then the oil in the tar sands should become viable for use.
2265:, however, removed my editing of the article and has steadfastly refused to include the information in the article. He does not believe my assertion that the tar sands actually have an impact of the article. I have given him ample external links as a way of proving my argument but he appears to have ignored them. Go to
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compromise. A mention larger than that would have to mention the larger enrvironmental impact of tar sands oil production I believe, making it beyond the point of being relevant or appropriate on the
Hubbert Peak page. That is why a link to the Athabasca page from Hubbert Peak may make the most sense regardless.
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after he realised that she would not be removed from the article, he has constantly tried to push his POV that Joan cross-dressed out of pure necessity, not because of any reasons he describes as "deviant". (The latter not being exactly neutral, either). The article previously stated explicitly that no reason
625:. I do not think I have violated any specific point of wikiquette by doing this, and it would make discussions very difficult indeed if we do not do this (the would just ramble on as "cohesive wholes" in a very booring manner ad nauseum.) andyway, I am still open for anyone who wants to mediate between us.
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I just stumbled across this, from seeing that it was one of the "What links here" pages for the page we disagree about. I don't have any problem with mediation, though I think calling it a "personal war" between us is a bit hyperbolic. My only concern is that
Antonio describes himself as part of the
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and now uses quotes around my nickname in order to harass me about this accusation. Notice that he does not use these quotes for any other user but me. I asked him to specifically state who he thought I was a sockpuppet to, but he refuses and is merely content to harass me by not referring to me as
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on the article's talk page. As I was able to have meaningful, polite conversations with both AlexR and AWilliamson (even though I came into the debate at the latter's request), I believe that it will eventually be possible for them to agree on an article which will accurately represent both of their
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In any event, my current position - as you can see from the debate - is that we should go with the third-party compromise added by Fire Star during a previous attempt to finally resolve this. I would submit that this is not an unreasonable or extreme position to take, and the mediation process could
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be given for historical persons (see the article and the debate for details). Already much of the old content on Joan has been replaced by him with content that support his POV, but still he strives to remove any last remnant of reason. I tried for two weeks now to make him see what the debate, from
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page. This also means that he won't take part in mediation and the RfC process, but that's fine with me as long as he (they?) stays civilized. I still demand apologies for his racist remarks, but that's another thing and perhaps we could settle that after BCorr returns from his vacations in
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I am willing to mediate if that is acceptable to you both. If it is, the next decision is the format - whether we discuss issues on a page on
Knowledge, on the mediation bulletin boards, via email or in some other way. I firmly believe that mediation is best carried out in private, and this would
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A one sentence mention of
Athabasca in a different section on the Hubbert Peak page that touches on both the promising potential of extracting a significant portion of the huge tar sands field, and, the skeptical nature of that happening given the current limited rate of production should be a fair
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of your complaints, limiting further discussion to items on that list, and any similar list I might come up with? (My purpose here is to not have a mediation where, as we make progress, suddenly a new complaint is thrown into the mix, and to hold down the total time required to as short a period as
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CVA, whatever that means, but we would want him to talk; I believe that he may refused mediation because it was proposed by us (I am Polish and he clearly resent Poles). I hope that if someone else would try to talk him, he could change. He did a lot of valuable work at wikipedia and it may be that
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Indeed some of my comments may have been somewhat sharp, but at least I have not constantly misrepresenting this and other debates just to avoid answering the questions at hand. I might also mention that, since I work mostly on articles regarding transgender matters, I happen to be all to familiar
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Mr. Williamson has, since the 2nd of
October, tried first anonymously to remove Joan of Arc completely from the article (where she was listed as an example of cross-dressing), he only commented on this edits after I had the article locked so he had to. Ever since the article has been unlocked, and
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about his actions hoping for any help and then tried to edit the articles unsuccessfully as PedroPVZ reverted them. it seems that after what i had said earlier, PedroPVZ's "POV" reverts became so obvious that he started doing something more serious. he now reverts/deletes edits he doesn't like and
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Not vanished, just a very busy man. The problem is that Jayig does not understand the orthodox Jewish system. The information in the article was all accepted by him except for one phrase. He objected to having the
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pushing his POV so much. Also, others have weighted in, trying to bring him there, too. However, he only sees what he wants to seen, and he certainly does not want to see anything critical of him and his POV. Now that he starts accusing me of "vandalism", because I reverted his POV removal of one
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Well, no one has come along to help. The Hubbert Peak article is Google's no. 7 or no. 8 hit but our dispute doesn't seem close to being resolved. I'm giving up on the whole thing and letting the article ride without the content that I think is important. I would really have liked a third party -
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Oil reserves in Athabasca are best considered an oil deposit, i.e. a non-proven oil reserve. There is no consensus even among the oil industry that extracting a significant percentage of the world's oil from tar sands is technically feasable, especially after you factor in the order of magnitude
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The problem has been inflamed somewhat by a mistake I made early in the piece when I decided that Zen-master was actually a friend of mine who is mad about Hubbert's peak and who was recently introduced to Knowledge by myself. Therefore some of my early remarks were, how shall I say? Intemperate.
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has been a consistent and persistent violater of these rules (and other Knowledge norms) since his first days here on Knowledge, primarily with me, but with many other editors as well. In fact, his behaviour earned him a one-week ban within three weeks or so of joining Knowledge, and it has seen
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Llywrch, I think that Rantaro requested mediation because it was his experience in the Japanese Knowledge that JW's were banned by administrators who disagreed with them, and he saw that I was an administrator who was disagreeing with him. As I have no intention of banning anyone, I don't see any
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I was simply giving you a reason for the baseless comment you made, and I was also not myself last night. With regards to intersecting comments on a talk page, I find it to be a very effective way of addressing the specific points without them interrupting the flow of other points which are more
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As a mostly neutral third party, I think this request for mediation is premature. The dispute is still being discussed by the two parties and other prerequisite dispute resolution has not yet taken place. I highly recommend delaying mediation and arbitration until these other avenues have been
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to the article and only a good 3 hours later did he decide to come back and completely revert it as "vandalism"). as nothing i tried doing to solve this problem seemed to work, i went through the help articles and finally got here. the main thing is, PedroPVZ doesn't like the idea of brazilian
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I explained it on the talk page, quoting myself: The whole Entire notion of it being a private entity is what the lawsuit(and the order to show cause) was about... that the Cpd is using public funds and public areas for private purposes. CPD argues that they are a non-for-profit non-partisan
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OSO seems to believe additional oil from Athabasca nullifies the implications or effects of peak oil theory, when in reality it would only delay it. There can be no disagreement that there is ultimately a finite oil reserve on planet earth. Absent a suitable replacement the effects of oil
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Untrue. The evidence can be seen at the relevant talk pages and elsewhere. Furthermore, I absolutely refuse any action whatsoever against me while the matter of VeryVerily, which the mediators and the arbitrators have ignored for two days despite lengthy discussion by me and others, has been
2526:. I would like him to explain why he feels large-scale deletions are the proper response to perceived POV issues. Chuck's M.O. is to delete whole sections, and then gradually reduce the scope of his deletions until they are accepted through attrition. He started by deleting entire parts of
1410:) at the moment. basically, PedroPVZ has possessed every single article related to the portuguese language and will not allow anyone modify them. this problem has been going on for months. earlier on, he would simply revert anything that didn't please him and claim it was "POV" (example
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donations to them are tax-deductabile. The Libertarian party is challanging that view and calling them a private entity for partisin purposes using tax-payer funds. Calling them a private misleads you to belive that they weren't using public funds and public spaces for thier acitvities"
1490:, who is an american married to a brazilian, lived in brazil for many years and now lives in portugal, used to have many disagreements with PedroPVZ, but left wikipedia since september 2003. which is quite understandable, with PedroPVZ's actions, and even calling him an "old decrepit" (
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page (whether Polish partisan forces were major ot not), deleting questions from his talk page, vandalises other users page and simply reverting an article without giving reason. Therefore I feel that we need a mediator who would convince him to start discussing before forcing his POV.
1514:. i'm only the first one to try and stop him, and i wish someone had a really detailed look at the situation. also, whenever someone is looking at his reverts i wish they looked in detail at the changes rather than just trusted PedroPVZ's "summary" which many times is simply not true.
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and several corporate articles before Reithy showed up. I agree about the sockpuppets and ideally I would like these users disciplined. But excepting Reithy, most of their content edits are valid, and I would have made them myself. I have no problem with any of the listed mediators.
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If it comes to it, I'd prefer Danny, but if you have anyone else you'd be willing to go with, I admit, though if he is, as I'm somewhat afraid he might be, still pissed at me for the overstrong statement I made regarding Michael's ban, I ask that Danny decline the case, obviously.
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Oh my. I believe I already responded to the points which AlexR has again repeated above, and I can only imagine that he knows better. But in any event, the mediator can get a good idea of how this process has gone by comparing the above description to the actual discussion.
700:. Zero and I have stated that RK is not being intellectually honest, while RK has stated that Zero and I are being anti-Semitic. I have asked RK if he would join me in seeking mediation regarding this dispute, and have asked Zero whether he wishes to participate.
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be a condition of my mediating for you. This would probably mean email or the bulletin board (the board can be set up to contain a private area). So perhaps you could both let me know whether you agree to me as mediator and, if so, what format you prefer. --
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Both Mediators Snowspinner has nominated have a previous involvement in the dispute at hand (and both to their credit recused themselves). I think the need for a Mediator who has not already formed an opinion of any element of the dispute at hand is obvious.
1540:. But, as that procedure has a number of rules and procedures, it's proving to be a format that is not well-suited to resolving a dispute that is largely based around a differing opinion of how rules should be treated. I think mediation might provide that.
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and his other accounts(he seems to create a new account per day, to make it seem like there is concensus against my edits in the history page and to give himself no traceable history(besides very small edits he does to make it not look like another of his
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I believe that I have (apart from the aforementioned intemperance) treated Zen-master with respect and attempted to work together to solve the problem. This has not worked as the talk page will show. The way Zen-master works appears similar to trolling.
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Perhaps the point of arbitration is not just to decide, but to help everyone involved reach consensus? Mediation is the step before arbitration, we passed over that. You are always welcome on the Hubbert Peak page OSO, I appreciate your opinion.
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I would like to ask for formal mediation between myself (OSO) and User:Zen-master regarding this topic. I am personally happy for anyone to come along and help, though it would be really good if someone with knowledge of the subject can step in.
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my side, was about, and I have gotten pretty insulting answers that were besides the point, and constant misrepresentation of my statements, at one time he even completely misrepresented a completely unrelated debate I had participated in (on
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Regarding OSO's statement, "we need someone quick," he will likely find that mediation and arbitration are usually painfully slow processes; all the more reason to settle the dispute without their aid and using them only as a last resort.
2874:, he used phrases like ""cross-dresser" in the sense that this page implies" (the page at that time stating nothing but "A cross-dresser ... is any person who wears the clothing of the opposite gender, for any reason"). Close enough. --
1847:. We have talked things over in some depth at the bottom of the discussion page, but our differences are just turning into an edit war and I really think a neutral observer could be very helpful in making some progress here. Thanks.
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this is some temporal insanity or that he is to stubborn to admit that he is in error. However, since he answered that he won't be involved in more revert war (last time 28th August) then it may seem that mediation wouldn't be needed.
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The section that describes the "here is what happens if we were to run out of oil" should not include info on potential non-conventional sources of oil that might delay running out of oil (there is already a section for that on the
925:) and decided that our information of this mediation is equal to vandalising his talk page (whatever that means). IMO it is a step too far, I withdraw from my earlier objections and request a mediation. ] 20:09, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
2082:). As well as being blatantly untrue, it belittles all the effort I, and others, have put into the project. Jayjg has also claimed that the project grew out of "attempts to minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks." (from
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is an equation that is used to determine the amount of time before oil levels peak. It is currently a controversial subject because of high oil prices and a perception among many people that oil is beginning to run out.
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We have no time or great interest in resurrecting old matters and ask you please advise Halibutt and his confederates to ignore us as we have nothing further to discuss. We will of course reciprocate. Hopefully a simple
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busy right now. So I'd ask that Snowspinner open mediation with a full list of whatever points he wishes to discuss, so that this doesn't drag out, and that further discussion be limited to disputes noted on that list.
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TERJE (2004-07-26):Is this process still active. Unfortuantely I completely missed the entire process because my own talk page was not on my watch list. That is now rectified. Is mediation process opened or closed or
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and his complaints that the page was biased. I have worked tirelessly for Rex to specifically state what he thinks about the article is biased, but he vehemently refuses to address any particulars in the article.
1418:. as i was getting very stressed and couldn't see any progress, i left wikipedia for a couple of months. i came back a few days ago and noticed things were actually getting worse. as i didn't know what to do, i
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There hasn't been any mediation since both people have to agree. Since you are willing to participate, please reply and say if you have any preferences as to the mediator. There is a list of committee members at
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Mediation is often not a quick process. I will reply as quickly as I can to all mail, but be prepared for this to take a while. But with both of you obviously willing to talk that's a great place to start. --
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Thank you both. I suggest we start with email. IRC is available if we need it, but I find that email is a good starting place for clear communication. My email address is sannse (a) tiscali.co.uk
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someone with some science background - come in and look at what we two were arguing about and make a dispassionate and logical decision... one that I would have accepted even if it went against me.
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Yes, though I will not make said list until we have a mediator. Also, I would ask a list of your complaints about my behavior as well - assuming that you do have some complaints about my behavior.
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have a look at the dispute at hand and makes a decision for me. I'll be honest though - I don't think it will happen. It would be nice, though, if someone would surprise me and make the effort.
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I would ask the mediator to please look at the debate itself rather than the above characterization of it, which - as I think the others will confirm - has little in common with the situation.
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times to provide passages/quotations/line numbers, or SPECIFIC examples of this bias, and to no avail except that he is planning on editing the page when it becomes unprotected.
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Since this debate is going the way all previous "debates" have gone, that is nowhere, and fast, I would really appreciate if a mediator did step in - because this has become
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The controversy began with his edit -- is it wikipedia policy to begin the discussion of a controversial topic before or after controversial content is posted to an article?
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sentence twice, I have given up to believe that any meaningfull debate between us can take place, an RfC did not help, either, and I therefore request mediation. --
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effective. I did look through the Wikiuette pages you recomended but could not find anything about the topic. Remember though every time we post anything on wiki.
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Since both parties having agreed to accept me as their Mediator, I request that everyone avoid commenting publicly on this matter until Mediation is concluded.
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before mailing. This sets out the general terms of confidentiality I work to. Please let me know if you are happy with this or if anything there is unclear.
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has also agreed on my talk page. I have been away, but now that I'm back I will post a proposal for moving forward on this matter within a day. many thanks,
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Hi Zest. I don't think this is the page for you to make your case, but rather to state whether or not you will accept mediation. Will you do so?
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I am no longer going to participate in this debate, It tires me and it makes me not want to come to Knowledge. I would really appreciate it if
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I have archived this as the main part of the dispute has been resolved it seems. I will contact CVA personally to pursue the apology request.
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Hi. Some of the members of the mediation committee have recused ourselves from participating in this issue. Would all of you agree to having
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need for a formal mediation process at this time. I'm open to being persuaded otherwise if other reasons are put forward though.
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I don't quite understand what you mean - if CVA has refused mediation, then I don't see how mediation is possible. Did you mean
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depletion on society would be similiar were depletion to happen now or in 10 years or after all the oil in Athabasca is gone.
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times. Instead, he ignores the question, or cites irrelevant information. I request a full apology. The rules broken include
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did not vandalize my user page any more. If any of the mods could encourage him to reply to my questions that would be fine.
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Thanks for volunteering. E-mail or the board would be fine with me. IRC may be expeditious, I don't know if that's allowed.
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Thank you both for being willing to work with me to mediate your conflict. I propose that I create a topic (thread) on the
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How does this affect Cimon's acting as a moderator in our earlier dispute; as far as I can tell that still hasn't started.
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Apologies for the delay. Do any of you have any preferences as to the mediator? There is a list of committee members at
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has about 15 more singatures then mine, and he's been causing a large amount more of problems then me. His accounts are:
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would request mediation in an area in which his behaviour has been so deficient. Nevertheless I welcome mediation with
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board e-mail irc or just about anything els is fine with me, whatever you want Sannse since your the mediatator person.
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I was going to ask for you, actually, but orthogonal has suggested he will not accept on a couple of pages, I fear. :(
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greater environmental impact. Athabasca currently produces .1463% of the world's oil, I consider this non-noteworthy.
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before i even noticed, which makes me feel better. i hope PedroPVZ is not gonna remove the "disputed" template again.
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I believe Ed disqualified himself by passing judgment on the issue on the mailing list. Other than that, I'm open.
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I suggest we left this mediation request here until the matter is resolved. ] 19:01, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
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Hi, I am a new Wikipedian so please forgive me if I've made any rookie mistakes with this request.
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When I rang my friend and found out that it wasn't him I made an apology in the discussion.
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to mediate instead. Neutrality has agreed. Please let us know if this is acceptable to you.
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Snowspinner does not appreciate me ;-) It would not be a good idea.
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I have created the topic (thread) on the mediation bulletin board
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and the personal war ensued between both parties thereafter. "
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If Danny thinks that he can be unbiased towards me, then yes.
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Neither have I - now that's in the right place, too ;-) --
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Point me to where and I'll start on the list of issues.
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VV and I seem to be at loggerheads over the article
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1784:I accept the case. Can we start it tomorrow?
907:What can be done? ] 11:15, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
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