38:, Arbitrators may place proposals which are ready for voting here. Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain. Only items that receive a majority "support" vote will be passed. Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator before or after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that she/he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were passed. Only Arbitrators or Clerks should edit this page; non-Arbitrators may comment on the talk page.
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nuanced exception can be difficult to explain to editors that are highly invested in less notable entries and want to expand our coverage of their subject of interest. Middle ground can be reached if both sides are willing to listen to each other and seek the input other other users that are less invested in the topic.
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principle is about the tactic of attempting to circumvent policy or consensus by creating "facts on the ground", as such I don't think any of the things you are worried about are covered, nor depending on the circumstance, does this principle imply that discussion need necessarily go beyond explanation of policies.
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After a review of TTN's contributions, I believe this finding, at best, overstates the case. I believe that TTN is making a good-faith effort to implement an editing guideline and is encountering resistance from individual editors who contribute a type of article that policy does not encourage. The
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Reworded in an attempt to better address both sides of the problem, per Steve's comment above. As for Steve's contention of lack of relevancy, I do not know for certain that such tactics are being used here, but they may be, and such tactics need to be strongly discredited. As for Flo's concern, this
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While I understand the point that you are trying to make, I think as written that it is too broad. As written there are many too exceptions to this proposal, such as removing obvious spam, copyright violations, and defamatory material per BLP. Stalling good faith efforts to remove these type of edits
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Clerks and
Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and
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I am leery of providing a blank slate to not discuss changes when an editor believes they have guideline or policy on their side. The place to discuss a guideline is generally on the guideline's talk page, not the article's, of course, but the applicability of a guideline is most certainly a matter
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There can be good reasons for inconsistencies. Often we make exceptions for a specific article or group of articles that are widely known to be notable and easily verified. That does not mean that our general guidelines on the topic should be discarded if they are backed by our core policies. This
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3.1) Editors who are collectively or individually making large numbers of similar edits and are apprised that those edits are controversial or disputed, are expected to attempt to resolve the dispute through discussion. It is inappropriate to use repetition or volume in order to present opponents
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1) The dispute centers on the existence of articles regarding individual episodes or characters from television series, and is part of a broader disagreement regarding the interpretation of notability guidelines with reference to fictional and popular culture topics.
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True, but we should not mistake the practices of a pocket of users active on a topic for community consensus. Once the issue is brought to the attention of a larger part of the community, a view more consistent with past practices and core policies often emerges.
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2) The parties are urged to work collaboratively and constructively with the broader community and the editors committed to working on the articles in question to develop and implement a generally acceptable approach to resolving the underlying content dispute.
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1) Knowledge users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their interactions with other users, to keep their cool when editing, and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct—including, but not limited to,
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As above, I can not support as written. I think that an user enforcing guidelines in a broad manner needs to educate other users about the reason for their changes. That we have not done a better job of doing this is a large part of the problem, I think.
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3) Editors who have been apprised that a particular change is controversial or disputed are expected to engage in discussion to resolve the dispute. It is inappropriate to repeat the change over a wide range of pages in order to present opponents with a
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happens regularly by users that do not understand our core policies. Taking the time to educate users about the reason for the removal is a Good Thing. Requiring established users to engage in discussion past that is not best use of their time, I think.
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Can not support as written. I think that an user enforcing guidelines in a broad manner needs to educate other users about the reason for their changes. That we have not done a better job of doing this is a large part of the problem, I think.
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7) Articles regarding trivial subjects which
Knowledge users have a practice of creating do little harm and are not properly the subject of serious campaigns which would conform them to guidelines appropriate for serious subjects, see
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and note that there is an article for each episode. An ideal response to such situations would be broader discussion of the guideline among editors with varying editing interest, with consensus achieved prior to widespread changes.
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Some what true, but to be a reliable reference tool we need to make sure that our articles follow our core policies. As a general rule, our guidelines are specific application of our core policies related to a specific topic.
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04:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Fundamentally, this is similar to the dust-up over how to deal with highways. We would rather have both sides move towards consensus than create additional "facts on the ground."
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Better but still unbalanced. I don't believe it's fair to single out TTN in our decision when the editors creating and retaining the articles appear no more willing to discuss and compromise than TTN.
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Also, as worded, this only addresses one side of the problem. The editors who are creating new episode/character articles are just as much a part of the problem.
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While I find some things to agree with here I think this is a bit beyond what we should be ruling upon.
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Move to close. I think the TTN proposals are unlikely to pass. And I can live without p3.1
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While true, I don't believe this principle is relevant to the case at hand.
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has the force of policy and is not subject to debate.
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Changing back to close since
Matthew has now voted.
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1879:Matthew Brown (Morven)
1689:Matthew Brown (Morven)
1510:Matthew Brown (Morven)
1363:Matthew Brown (Morven)
1251:Matthew Brown (Morven)
1106:Matthew Brown (Morven)
974:Matthew Brown (Morven)
836:Matthew Brown (Morven)
707:Matthew Brown (Morven)
603:Matthew Brown (Morven)
454:Matthew Brown (Morven)
300:Matthew Brown (Morven)
2757:Not specific enough.
2902:Implementation notes
2847:Proposed enforcement
885:Editorial guidelines
2922:Proposed remedy 2.
1178:Practice is policy
932:Begs the question.
684:Tightened wording.
652:Editorial process:
492:Editorial process:
154:Proposed principles
2766:Too generic, aye.
190:appropriate forums
30:After considering
2950:
2372:
2364:Proposed remedies
2136:Also prefer 3.1.
338:Editorial process
186:gaming the system
110:
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2399:deleted contribs
2368:
2154:In lieu of 3.1.
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1931:deleted contribs
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1663:See 2.1 below.
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1571:deleted contribs
1418:Locus of dispute
1289:Trivial subjects
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2897:Motion to close
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2992:The Uninvited
2989:
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2959:
2958:fait accompli
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2706:The Uninvited
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2699:
2694:Parties urged
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2684:
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2630:
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2100:
2097:True enough.
2096:
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1698:
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1690:
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1681:
1678:
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1666:
1665:The Uninvited
1662:
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1484:
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1474:The Uninvited
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1185:
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1155:The Uninvited
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1148:
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1144:
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1127:
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1021:
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662:fait accompli
655:
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647:
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639:The Uninvited
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23:
19:
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2855:
2789:not needed.
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1951:
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1911:
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1591:
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1218:bananabucket
1215:
1207:
1138:
1104:to discuss.
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601:Prefer 3.1.
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2924:Newyorkbrad
2805:Fred Bauder
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2573:Fred Bauder
2519:Too strong.
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2443:Fred Bauder
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1992:Fred Bauder
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598:Prefer 3.1.
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520:Fred Bauder
443:Paul August
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51:/Workshop
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32:/Evidence
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178:trolling
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2990:Close.
2892:General
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660:with a
159:Decorum
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