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years with little of the editorial oversight that other encyclopedias benefit from. And it's true, a lot of good has come from that chaos. Nobody's asking anyone to forget, but we have to look to the future. Rather than being seen as an intrusion into community discussion, it should be seen as a natural growth and progression of it.
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to support its findings. My hope is that the community would recognize the value of input by a body staffed by its most talented editors, especially a body whose sole interest is improving the encyclopedia. My belief is that the community would be overjoyed to be able to use the moderate voice of the
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Exactly where it is. The
Arbitration Committee has previously stated that it does not rule on content disputes, only conduct disputes. There would be no overlap in roles and responsibilities between the two groups. Simultaneously holding the elections of both bodies is a simple matter of convenience.
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Second, editors are given a period of time in which they can comment about the case. Ideally editors would explain their positions, and support them by either providing independent factual sources to back their arguments and/or citing established
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In our early days, Knowledge was smaller both in community size and encyclopedia size. Not only were editors far simpler to gather for discussion, but
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And because we are not a civilization, we should not look at an
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This is a change to how our community operates. Of that there is no doubt. While I will leave to the
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The council would consist of nine editors. All nine members of the council would be elected by two rounds of popular vote. Ideally, members would be selected for their neutrality, fair-mindedness and ability to hear both sides of an argument. The elections would be carried out concurrently with the
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The community's most infamous cases of conduct originated from content disputes. The lack of a clear and simple method to resolve those content issues forces two choices: either an editor can edit war and disrupt the encyclopedia, or the editor can give up. While the latter doesn't sound as bad, it
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The council also determines that since the article's name has been Burma for a year, and since all the articles currently refer to it as such, it would not be worth the time and effort to scrub the entire encyclopedia to change it back to
Myanmar. The finding passes on a 6-1 vote, with only House
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is oriented towards both conduct disputes and content disputes. This would be a suitable first step for the content dispute process as a way to resolve minor content issues. Should mediations fail or be beyond the ability of a single mediator to resolve, they can be recommended to the
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Third, the council discusses and votes on its findings. These findings are not carved in stone or binding policy under which editors can be blocked. Most importantly, they would not overturn or ignore consensus. Instead, they should be used as a guide to existing consensus and as a road map for
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Currently many of the "resolved" disputes are not resolved at all. Most often, a small group of editors will claim victory and lock out other editors in the process. Not only does this run counter to the spirit of consensus-building, but it also freezes out future editors from re-evaluating the
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Finally, the council makes a special note to address Captain Picard's two-country compromise. Since the community has not made up its mind about the two-country compromise, it would be inappropriate for the council to implement the compromise itself since it would be contrary to the prevailing
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The creation of an Editorial Council would greatly benefit the community of editors. The presence of an Editorial Council would allow for much more productive discussions. It would give the community something to fall back on should discussions grow stagnant or repetitive, allowing for closure
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Concerns have been raised over whether the findings of the Editorial Council would be binding or non-binding. This is an unwieldy zero-sum comparison, especially when this council would need to be able to be both flexible and capable of operating in the grey areas between black and white.
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provides sources that show that the English-speaking international community has backed Burma. Hook cites that every English-speaking government refers to SAC-X as Burma. Thus, Hook argues, since we are an English-speaking encyclopedia, we should use their standard and call it
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council to isolate and flush out extreme POV warriors on either side of a dispute. Our goal should be for the community and the council, both listening to one another and working together, to establish a moderate and common path along which we can all improve the encyclopedia.
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stridently protests anything but Myanmar. Sparrow explains that for better or for worse, the junta is in charge and changing the article's name won't change that. He goes on to say that it would set a dangerous precedent to not call Myanmar by its "official"
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The council determines that consensus currently favors the name Burma. The finding passes on a 5-2 vote, with Zeus and House dissenting. Zeus favored Myanmar, while House favored Picard's two-country compromise.
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policy would obviously be critical in every decision made by the council. It is naive to assume that the community would not self-correct and block the seating of unsuitable candidates during the elections.
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can be a chilling effect to future discussion. By providing a mechanism for resolving content disputes, we can limit many conduct disputes before they grow into the multi-headed monsters ArbCom stares down.
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instead of confusion. The community would also be assisted by knowing that once all the points and made and all the variables considered in a discussion, there's a body that's capable of taking all the
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While these mechanisms may have a role in handling small to mid-level content disputes, they are ill-suited for the kind of complex large-scale disputes that the Editorial Council is designed for.
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blames the whole dispute on Sparrow and Harkness and urges the council to sanction them. The council reminds Kangaroo that it does not have that power, and suggests that he go to ArbCom instead.
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disruption. The mediation and arbitration mechanisms don't have the powers to handle content disputes, so a new and separate mechanism is required. The Editorial Council is that solution.
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