Knowledge:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard

3452:. And there's absolutely no surprise in that. The OP's proposed rule is utterly infeasible for this project. It would impute to the majority of the English speaking people of planet Earth (i.e. almost every prospective editor of this project) an automatic COI for their "denomination" (which could be as expansive a category as Catholics, Anglicans, or Shia Muslims, to demonstrate just a few examples of how broad such a rule would be). Further, it would, in one fell swoop by a handful editors in this one discussion, ban the vast majority of subject matter experts for religious topics from editing articles within their field of expertise. The impacts to subject matter coverage, article neutrality, editorial gamesmanship, editor recruitment and retention, and project reputation (to name just handful of the countless practical concerns) would be incalculable. This is clearly not what the existing COI policy contemplates by any stretch of the imagination. Any such rule would absolutely need to be authorized by the community and expressly memorialized in the policy. It is frankly difficult to express just how much the suggestion that the proposed rule is already implied by the existing COI policy does not pass muster. This is an ill-conceived and odious idea that conflicts not only with this project's open and pluralistic creeds and methodologies, but also basic practical common sense. 4167:

point out above that religious association is specifically identified in the policy as a possible source of COI. Fair enough, but it is clear from the rest of the policy that a relationship has to meet other criteria in order to give rise to a presumptive COI. We're not talking about interceding when a prominent leader of a church or their staff are involved. Few veteran editors would disagree that a COI would impute from their editing the article on their own church. But what is being proposed here is literally the suggestion that policy says that all members of a faith have an inherent COI for their religious "denomination" And that's just clearly an asinine conclusion to attempt to leverage from one oblique use of the word "religion" in one sentence of a massive policy. If the community had intended that to be the rule when it created the COI policy, it would not have been so circumspect about it: there would be clear language stating this denominational rule. It strains all credulity to suggest that the community requires all editors to avoid editing articles directly pertaining to their faith and yet somehow failed to say is much in the policy. And that underscores one of the biggest issues that I have with this discussion. If some here feel that such a rule

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suboptimal around the edges and indicating a need for further familiarization with our content policies), did not at this time necessitate a sanction or other community action beyond a warning to get up to speed on said policies. The question here is therefor much more narrow (even if it's implications to the project are massive): does affiliation with a denomination lead to a direct, automatic, and actionable COI with regard to articles related to that denomination? Because if there is no such existing rule (and there isn't) there is no other grounds (that I have seen presented, anyway) that would justify a finding of COI for Meta Voyager and JamieBrown. Their conduct on the talk page could be hypothetical cause to find them disruptive or tendentious or biased in some way that would require other community action, but it is not cause for a finding of COI. COI is about off-project associations, by definition. And again, I believe we know nothing about JB and MVs off-project associations except that they seem to attend congregations which are in some way related to ICOC doctrine. If one of them had instead revealed that they were

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imputed from the policy, based on the fact that it obliquely uses the word "religion" once. That is very weak tea from which to construct a blanket ban on all editors and prospective editors of this project (including subject matter experts) from participating in all articles touching upon their religions, with massive implications for the project. By an epic margin, that would be the largest such mass editorial restriction in the history of the project, and such a rule simply cannot be promulgated by a handful of editors extrapolating such a broad mandate from one word in a very large and complex policy, which then goes on to provide no further elaboration. Such a rule (which I can't imagine the community countenancing, honestly) would at least need to be extensively and carefully vetted in a central forum, using the accepted community process and broad community involvement. Not a half dozen editors on COIN reading such a massive and questionable rule into existence from such a short and vague reference point.

2172:. Later, when you search the name and surname from that profile (not mentioning it here because of the privacy) on LinkedIn, the profile that appears indicates that the person works at Azerbaijan Railways as a senior social marketing specialist. Looking at this user's contributions, he have worked on articles related to Azerbaijan Railways, the head of the organization, and the Railway Museum on enwiki, azwiki, and ruwiki, and have uploaded related images. On the other hand, the user has created a large number of non-notable singer articles on azwiki, ruwiki, and enwiki, which raises strong suspicions of paid editing. Additionally, the user has created a significant number of items about clearly non-notable people on Wikidata. It's evident that the user created these pages for the knowledge panel. This also indicates paid editing. If it does not violate privacy, I can also provide the links of the mentioned social media accounts. 4691:

processes available to you when they make edits which you believe violate our editorial policies." A finding of actionable COI is a specific tool for specific circumstances, and if you can't provide evidence of a more specific relationship than "they are members of this faith", it doesn't apply to Meta Voyager and JamieBrown in these circumstances. Period. So utilize processes that actually do apply in these circumstances. Honestly, I don't like being on the side that is criticizing two editors who set off down this path because they were trying to prevent the whitewashing of sexual abuse allegations. If you knew me better on a personal level, you'd in fact know that's about the last thing I'd want to be doing on a given day. But you and TP very much

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not there is content in the article describing their faith as a cult might not just make them all the more entrenched and inflexible on the inclusion of such coverage. Or that their rhetorical opposition would therefore be given an incentive to push even harder for such language in the article, that many tendentious editors would quickly avail themselves of in order to restrict the editorial privileges of those they are already in editorial disputes with. The standard you propose would accomplish nothing but to create a cycle of disruption that, far from ameliorating the issues it proposes to address, would deeply exacerbate them and inflame both edit wars on the article itself and needless personal disputes in talk space.

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and unnecessary distraction that has only hindered your ultimate ends. And doubtless halted many of us (certainly at least me) who would rather be supporting you on the underlying content and behavioural issues, but who have instead been diverted into opposing a radical and unsupported reading of COI that the community can't possibly permit, given the damage it would do to the project if we allowed editors to try to invoke it willy-nilly against their religiously-inclined rhetorical opponents. I applaud your motivations here, but you don't get to just create new COI standards out of whole-cloth in order to remove the other side from the editorial equation altogether, just to make the process easier.

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religious institutions and beliefs would create far, far, far more disruption than it could ever possibly hope to contain. Think this through, my friends: such a rule would unleash an absolute tsunami on virtually every article containing religiously and ethnically contentious subject matter on the entire project (particularly those relating to sectarian divides) of gamesmanship by the most tendentious of our WP:NOTHERE editors constantly leveraging this rule to remove their rhetorical opposition from the article. Further, it's an absolute certainty that it will encourage editors to to attempt to dig into the offline lives of our contributors in order to

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biases so strong that they make them WP:NOTHERE to attentively hide their affiliations, depriving other participants in an editorial dispute of a useful data point for considering whether that editor has a problematic bias. In other words, the rule would make it more difficult to identify the actual problem editors while drastically restricting the good faith contributions of the much more numerous reasonable editors of faith, all while creating mountains of administrative and oversight headaches for the community as a whole. In short, a lose-lose-lose outcome.

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independent sources which thoroughly cover the topic in depth seem to not have been found/identified/used. And so in the tricky areas, the situation has been reduced to selecting tidbits from sources that don't meet that standard and debates about which tidbits (including characterizations of ICOC) to select. Including selecting tidbits which make them sound good or bad. Also, since they seem to have changed significantly, it's a more complex job to make sure that time-context is included information provided in those areas.

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emerge if this community ever authorized the kind of rule the proponents here seem to think is somehow feasible: virtually every talk page and revision history of every article that touches upon religious and ethno-religious issues would, overnight, turn into an unremitting cesspool of ceaseless accusations about every other edit proving that someone is a member of a given faith. The chaos that would ensue would be indescribable and would forever change the tone of the project to the vastly more acrimonious and disruptive.

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opening post here, also baked into any suggestion that JamieBrown and Meta Voyager have a COI. Actionable COIs are created by off-project relationships. As far as I am aware, from the foregoing discussion at ANI and this thread, we know nothing else about JB and MV's relationships that would suggest an actionable COI. I think part of the confusion here is that there has been come conflation of the concepts of COI, bias, and tendentiousness. Hypothetically, MV and JB could have no actionable

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restrictions which adhere to such editors apply). If there are other arguments or factors for why JamieBrown or Meta Voyager should be listed as having an established COI on the talk page, I'm not prepared to address them until I see them. I've already said, as an uninvolved party at the ANI discussion, that they are wrong on the content issue, and (though I supported the consensus decision not to take action at this time) that there is potential for them to be found

2558:) over these articles. It seems like the activity has once again paused (last edit over a montha go). And while he previously declared to have PAID editing activities nearly 2 years ago, for different articles, does not automatically mean that his current activity is as such. At that timeframe (pre 2022) he has zero edits towards these articles in question. Furthermore, the fact that you're a far more prolific contributor to both of those articles has a concern of 4231:

editors, 2) that the denominational rule suggested here is not only clearly not authorized by the community through the existing policy, but also a rule that does not comport with out broad rules on user inclusion and would create (rather than solve) many problems, and 3) that this is not the forum to entertain such an expansion of policy anyway, and certainly not without broad notification and community involvement.

6096:) articles quite frequently at AfC. They are almost (with some exceptions) always an "insta-accept" for me. It does seem like a waste of both editor and reviewer time to require their drafts to go through AfC, especially because NPP can easily catch the rare cases where the translation quality is lower than it should be. Not sure if COIN is the right place to request an exemption for something like this, though. 645: 4538:

whitewashing out of the article. You two clearly started down this road in good faith and with laudable intentions, but you've both lost the plot at this point, big time. You've gone from "I think this editor has an agenda due to their religious convictions" to "the world's 1.4 billion Catholics should not be allowed to edit on the topic of Catholocism on Knowledge." Friend, that's one hefty overreaction.

3039:. A non-financial/non-employment religious COI would involve things like volunteering for a marketing project or being engaged in outreach programs. It would not involve being an ordinary member of an ordinary religious organization or simply believing certain things (though what those beliefs might be doesn't appear to be predictable; for example, most US Catholics support abortion rights 4404:, there was a suggestion in the ANI discussoin that the templates should be removed because of an editor's intepretation that there was concensus that no COI existed. By my reading of those editors !voting oppose only three discussed COI and the rest opposed for other reasons. So I've brought it here to get a understanding of whether the templates should be removed. That's the extent of it. 746: 685:(COI) for a specific article and whether an edit by a COIN-declared COI editor meets a requirement of the Conflict of Interest guideline. A conflict of interest may occur when an editor has a close personal or business connection with article topics. Post here if you are concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using Knowledge to promote their own interests at the expense of 4216:, but at the same time it should be acknowledged that religious belief can be, and has been a problematic root of COI-tainted editing on Knowledge, as we have seen from Scientology/LDS/Christian Science and so on (and I don't believe the problem editors involved in these cases were 'prominent leaders', more just ... true believers from the general membership). 6078:, but I find this COI is minuscule. Kseni-kam has to jump through the hoops of Draft space, which considerably slows down appearance of their work in en-wiki. I am suggesting to grant Kseni-kam a permission to move their translations from Draft space to main space themselves, because her work in no way can violate the spirit of WP:COI. -- 4521:

wouldn't say that hyper-political or ethnically motivated users don't create issues, but we don't automatically create COI's for affiliations with political parties or ethnic associations either. What we're saying rather is that the proposed "if you have a religious association with a denomination, you are subject to

3944:? I'd bet that a lot of experienced editors feel more strongly about Knowledge than about their (present or former) religious beliefs. Not only that, Wikipedians have publicly discussed their concerns about Knowledge's reputation on thousands of talk pages. In your mind, do we have a COI for those articles? 3754:) was running IABotManagementConsole over the article to add archived links to references. That edit was 6,030 bytes and didn't change any of the prose. That one edit likely accounts for the lion share of the 11.4% of my contribution to the article. Again I don't know what is supposed to be read out of that? 4460:, where a user who believed that mere religious affiliation was an actionable conflict of interest and behaved accordingly—saying that Muslim editors should be disregarded in discussions on talk pages for articles about Islam and removing citations to academic sources solely because Muslims wrote them—was 6767:(I dont think an occasional editor peruses all links in the "Greeting" canned text). Even if he has COI he still can suggest edits in talk page, but again, the suggestions must be supplied with valid refs. The person genuinely thinks he adds important info (maybe; dont care as long as it is unreferenced). 7043:

Fair enough but the real issue is about directly editing info about the pressure group into articles, which is clearly against policies and guidelines. I'd suggest that the number of occasions may represent all or most of the occasions when the groups activities could be reliably sourced, but whether

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I've not removed the ?unsourcable? negative material and would be grateful for input from other users on how best to deal with that. My understanding is that if it is genuinely considered unsourcable then it should be removed, but if there is a prospect of sourcing emerging then the current 'citation

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I do not understand why am I being highlighted as someone with a conflict of interest with a popular band? It is funny because they are way out of my reach. But i understand if my nature of edits suggest that and I am willing to offer you an explanation or justification of whatever you point out. Can

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Also worth noting, most of the COI editors who get brought to COIN don't really know what they're doing (if they did, they wouldn't have been spotted). That being the case, they probably don't realise that copyvio is even a problem. So, when they already have the promo material at their fingertips on

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been pushing the angle that MV and JB have an actionable COI based on their association with a religious movement alone--even placing tags labeling them as such on the talk page, despite no affirmative community finding that such a COI existed. That dog won't hunt here. This strategy has been a huge

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Great. And sincerely: thank you for making the effort to prevent said whitewashing. However much pushback you and TP are getting here, know that the underlying motivation is appreciated. But I'll repeat: in that case "avail yourself of the many consensus formation, dispute resolution, and oversight

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in the appropriate space: the Village Pump or the talk page of the existing policy. The suggestion that has been made here (that the community authorized by far the most massive rule of editorial restriction in its entire history and then just neglected to expressly include it in the relevant policy)

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template "should be maintained", and I wonder if you could explain why you are asking this. As far as I can see from the talk page's history, nobody has tried to remove it recently. Are you proposing to remove it? Or are you primarily hoping that you can get an official ruling that the editors who

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them for their religious affiliations. Those are just two of the unfathomably multifaceted and massive sources of disruption such a rule would both enable and encourage. The cost-benefit of the proposed rule is so obviously ill-advised, I'd be flummoxed at the lack of foresight involved in advancing

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in the meaning of the policy. The standard the OP has advanced is that mere declared association with a faith is sufficient to impute the policy such that all the most requirements and consequences of the policy adhere to them. That is clearly far too broad a rule to ever work on this project. You

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There seems to be a la-la-la fingers-in-ears reality distortion field among some Knowledge editors about religious COIs. Since I've been here we've had (just to name the most memorable examples) problems with Christian Scientists wanting to impose the Church View™ on Knowledge, Sahaja Yoga adherents

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I've been hanging out at that article since invited by the bot to an RFC in April. IMO the COI, by the real world meaning of the term does not exist, and by the Wiki meaning of the term is so negligibly weak that COI provisions and tagging should not apply. The main challenge at that article is that

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As I said at the (current) foot of this thread, I don't believe that anyone is actually suggesting that membership of a religious group automatically constitutes an actionable COI. I certainly have not said that, indeed on several occasions above I have said the exact opposite of that. I suggest that

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Ok, so where is the line, then? I don't wish this to come off as unfriendly, but the fact that you say that attachment to some religious denominations should impute COI but not others, but then fail to clarify which suggests that you haven't really thought this through. For myself, that's one of the

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For the record, I had been following this discussion since the first notification, and was waiting to allow for a week to pass by since the last comment from Simplealli, as they have not continued editing and thus there's no urgency. Obviously, Simplellali's responses have been inadequate, and nearly

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Examples of COI users operating accounts to forward an advocacy agenda seem to be relatively rare. My intention in opening this thread was primarily to see if other users agreed/disagreed with my assessment, rather than (for example) to seek any form of sanctions against a user who only has very few

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As a final thought, is the negative material in the History even admissable, given that it is based solely on various unpublished sources (letters from the board of governors, a private attorney's report, an investigative report conducted by the institution's accrediting body, TRACS correspondence)?

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well, from the perspective of a lazy reviewer like yours truly, but that's a separate matter...), and in no case did I detect even the slightest whiff of any actual COI issues. Seems to me like it would be a win-win to lift this bit of red tape (for OKA, not for COI/PAID editors more widely, just to

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I have no problem with that. FWIW (and I realise this isn't in my gift, but still), I'd be quite happy to exempt all these OKA editors from the AfC requirement, at least until such time as there is an actual reason to invoke it again. I've come across several of their drafts, all very well developed

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in which some editors are stating that being a member of a specific denomination does not constitute a COI for editors editing that subject. Currently there are connected editor notices on the article and in its talk. There has been suggestion by some of those arguing that no COI exists or that the

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Yeah, I'm in agreement with every word of that. In fact, I'd take even a step further: creating a "your affiliation with this church subjects you to our COI restrictions" rule is actually counter-intuitive to restraining the bad actors. All it will do is encourage savvy LTA editors with religious

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Personally, I haven't the slightest disagreement with so much as a single word of that perspective. I simply think that 1) the existing rules are the best tools (if admittedly often labour-intensive) for dealing with the WP:NOTHERE editors who represent a small minority of our religiously-inclined

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Proponents of such a rule – assuming there actually are any who would really go that far, and aren't just trying to wikilawyer in response to a bias problem (because we have simple rules that can produce a TBAN for COI, but not for ordinary bias) – would IMO do well to contemplate what would happen

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WP:Paid referred to receiving money, which being a church member does not constitute. As for WP:COI, they’ve disclosed they’re a member and ARE discouraged but permitted to edit the article if COI applied. Even so, they’ve largely stayed within talk page and made reasonable edits. On all grounds, I

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I believe that previous experience in the threads above (and the ICOC talk page) indicates very strongly that membership of this church constitutes a conflict of interest. I appreciate that membership of other groups (Catholic church, Boy Scouts, etc) has been presented as broadly comparable and as

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My initial review over RAI is that it sounds like a good AfD candidate, but it looks like that already occurred and there was NO consensus. As far as Epik is concerned that is something else entirely different where there is more can enough sufficient information to establish general notability and

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This not an unreferenced promotional text, we are trying to update the text with updated information on this person, since the system. Since the system would not keep the edited versions, we have been trying with multiple users in an attempt to update the information in complete about this subject.

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I would like to let you know that I do not have a conflict of interest with the subject in question. I have joined this open-source platform to make edits and contribute to improving this platform in good will. I am open to feedback over my edits from other editors and any one else who has tips to

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restrictions regarding articles about that denomination" rule is overbroad, untenable for this project, and rather than being likely to solve an problems, would beyond a shadow of a doubt create a whole bunch of them. This is not a trivial rule you and TP have proposed. It's implications would be

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Please read what I wrote more carefully and stop insulting me and falsely inventing bad faith. I identified it as the the extreme that could still fall under a "membership of a group automatically = COI regarding that group" rule to illustrate what could be included by using just that criteria.

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Indeed: the only times I have felt embarrassed to be an atheist, in all my long life as such, it was because of other atheists. Typically self-styled rationalists convinced that they inhabit some kind privileged plane of perspective. Which dovetails with just one of the massive issues that would

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Ok, fair enough, but here's where that leaves us: the issue in dispute here (or at least the primary one consuming the most attention) is still whether or not affiliation with a religious denomination imputes an established COI for a given editor all by itself (and such that all the provisions and

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I see. So only members of religions which have been described by a reliable source as a "cult" would be subject to this rule? Surely you realize that is a distinction without a meaning? Further, you don't think predicating whether users will be able to edit articles on their faith on whether or

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The lede has recently changed to remove the lawsuit material, which I was agreeable with once a reliable secondary source was presented which confirmed the lawsuit had been dismissed. The article can I think do with some reworking as parts outside the lead are repetitive. However that's not what I

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also included an amount of COPYVIO material lifted directly from various locations on the college website. I won't give the full details here as the material has already been deleted - but I will quickly note that the section for the 'Siena College Research Institute' used to be legit non-COPYVIO

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I’m not sure about the exact procedure for bringing this to attention, so I thought I’d start here. There’s an account that’s mostly an SPA whose focus seems to be adding one specific person as a source to as many articles within that area of interest as possible. The articles are royal connected

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Has anyone in this thread actually suggested that all religious people have an actionable COI? As far as I can see, all those who have commented on that issue have said the exact opposite - i.e. that it might or might not be actionable depending on circumstances. That is entirely in line with the

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is something we throw around when an editor happens to have a narrow interest. Think about it: Most of your effort seems to go into chess and boxing articles, and you could be credibly accused of being an SPA. But that doesn't mean that you're a bad or unwanted editor, or that there's anything

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and face a TBAN eventually, if they do not accept the talk page consensus on certain content issues. But those are all distinct issues from the suggestion being made here that affiliation with a denomination creating a COI regarding that denomination, all by itself. And that rule just cannot be

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of the FAC noms had no religious beliefs related to the subjects they dedicated so many hours to researching and writing about. Under the rule that "decent editors" steer clear of editing about their beliefs, editors subscribing to atheism would have to be counted just as strong a COI as editors

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Your username suggests that you're a professional writer editing for a client. It's capitalized, suggesting the name of a business or of a page where you offer your writing services. You're editing primarily about a band; bands often hire writers to write for them here. If none of this is the

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I don't disagree with any of that, Bon courage, but I think you're somewhat misinterpreting the concerns expressed here if you think anyone is advancing the argument that "religious belief never gives rise to a COI". The question is what nature of affiliation with a given religiious institution

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There are two broad and totally unrelated topics that I edit in: articles on chess opening theory and articles on late 18th/early 19th century boxing. In addition, most of my work in recent months has basically been trying to help in resolving issues raised here at COIN. I really don't see how I

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The COI guideline does not absolutely prohibit people with a connection to a subject from editing articles on that subject. Editors who have such a connection can still comply with the COI guideline by discussing proposed article changes first, or by making uncontroversial edits. COI allegations

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Agreed. Unfortunately, because if this was just a matter of mistake, the issue would be much easier to resolve. But the proposed rule of thumb that a person acquires an actionable COI via mere association with a religious denomination is, aside from being pretty expressly inquired about in TPs

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Very well then: avail yourself of the many consensus formation, dispute resolution, and oversight processes available to you when they make edits which you believe violate our editorial policies. Nobody is saying that highly religious people don't occasionally create content issues--just as we

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the most expansive rule of automatic restriction of editorial privileges ever promulgated by this community) was already meant to exist in the COI policy, it would be expressly and clearly stated in the policy. It's not. The entirety of the COI policy's treatment of religion comes down to one

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problem that you've written articles for Public Television of Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan Railways while an employee of these entities. You've made no disclosures whatsoever, as required, and given that you've been violating these rules for more than a decade, you shouldn't even be touching these

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Just so. And every bit of the type of disruption that Bon courage and Axad12 are concerned about in their comments above can be (and is) routinely and adequately addressed through existing. Further, creating a rule that all editors with a religious affiliation have a COI with regard to their

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as defined by the policy, and yet still be very disruptive to the article. Indeed, the initial ANI report was situated more in the question of disruption than COI. But the topic ban TarnishedPath proposed in that discussion was rejected because most respondents found that MVs conduct (while

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Agree, religious belief can lead to bias but is not automatically COI. Voluntary organization membership usually depends on the editors control or place in the org (or if it is a very small org) -- members can regularly have beliefs at variance from whatever the orgs official line is, even.

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by authorship to that page, but so is Cordless Larry and TarnishedPath. I didn't investigate the substance of any of those edits for NPOV or biased editing, so I can't say if there is any significant issues that should be addressed with any of those three editors contributions to the article.

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Unfortunately for them, that material is reliably sourced and there are no realistic chances of it being removed, regardless of how many different interpretations of policy they attempt to put forward. Hence their argument gets diluted and re-presented as a question about what constitutes due

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I agree. Can't the article be deleted once again on the basis of G11? Either that or it need to be dramatically reduced in size (e.g. complete removal of the 'early life', 'Got Talent auditions', and 'Awards and Honors' sections and the reference bomb in the lead, plus removal of some of the

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With regard to the History section, the COPYVIO material was added by an SPA IP user who made 13 highly promotional edits back in Oct/Nov 2023. Prior to that the history was very short, but I suspect it is preferable to the current COPYVIO version. Thus it may be best to simply reinstate the

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be via talk page fiat and attempts to conjure it from one oblique reference to religion in the policy. This is not the way, and I say that as someone who remains very much convinced that you and TarnishedPath had the right end of the stick on the content issue and identified a need to keep

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There is no need for a rule change. In many cases the most damaging COI editors in the Project have either been unforthcoming (or flat-out lie) about their COI making such rules worthless anyway. Pursuing COIs on Knowledge is usually a fool's errand that can drive you mad, or at least into

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I don't think editing articles about one's own religion is a COI, unless you're working for the church/synagogue/temple in question. NPOV is of course important, which I think is the issue here. The editors seem to be trying to hide facts that don't leave a good impression of the religious

3136:, I'm not asking if there is an issue. You are correct that they've mostly stayed to the article's talk and suggested edits from there. I'm asking if a COI exists and if so should the connected editor notices be maintained, as there has been a little bit of editing of the article by them. 5237:

I am aware of the policy of not outing users. I’m not speculating on the identity of 54geren and don’t think I’ve run afoul of that policy. That being said, this account appears only to exist to insert Bergen Quast and his activities into as many articles as possible in the royal world.

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I don't think there is necessarily a COI just because they are members of the church, but Meta Voyager appears to be a SPA whose primary objective is to change the article's content by downplaying negative aspects of the ICOC, and their edits have been confined to the talk page. As for

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I understand where you are coming from. I also understand when an editor is on a massive editing spree or in a conflict, then an early intervention is desirable. Otherwise I would not need to seek other editor's opinions to post a warning in the user talk page and proceed from there.

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2. COIN consensus determines that an editor does not have a COI for a specific article. In response, editors should refrain from further accusing that editor of having a conflict of interest. Feel free to repost at COIN if additional COI evidence comes to light that was not previously

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Even so, some editors were saying all of them needed to go through AfC regardless of quality. I think you need to take this to VPP. Mind you, I personally not opposed but it does get us into a situation of having to manage who may bypass AfC vs. those that need to go through AfC.

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doesn't begin to pass the smell test. The rule is clearly not currently a part of existing policy, but if you want to advocate for it, absolutely go for it through the appropriate process in the appropriate forum. But in the meantime, stop trying to enforce what you think the rule

2223:(Sura Shukurlu, could I ask you to do 2 things? Firstly could you please notify Simplellali that you have opened this thread, as is required by the note in red at the top of this noticeboard. Secondly please do NOT, under any circumstances, link to the user's social media accounts.) 2529:). Because this is a (formerly?) paid editor that has reacted rather hostilely to COI questions in the past, it would be useful to get thoughts of those uninvolved on whether there is more here than a simple content dispute and and whether there might be a potential COI at play. - 3424:

I think I would define "working" broadly (to encompass, say, retired priests or volunteers responsible for hiring religious staff). I'd also say that a (very) few ex-members have a relationship that should be considered a COI on par with "disgruntled ex-employee" or "ex-spouse".

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Consequently I'm not really sure that reference to trout was required when I was only conforming with the observed (and uncorrected) actions of many other users more experienced than myself, which surely cannot be remotely described as a "silly mistake" on my part (as per the

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adding press release material and removing properly sourced adverse material. Some of this edit was later removed as puffery and a tag added to the article for ‘reads like an advertisement’. A month later EastThermopolis completely rewrote the article for the company’s owner

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I largely agree with Pinguinn, I think that focusing on the COI aspect rather than the POV pushing/Advocacy aspect has muddied the waters... Whether or not either editor is actually associated with the International Churches of Christ the pattern of behavior is problematic.

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No, merely being a member of a congregation - especially one this big - doesn't constitute a conflict of interest, under any reasonable interpretation of policy. If there are actual problems with POV edits made by a contributor, we already have mechanisms to deal with them.

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Advocacy is closely related to conflict of interest, but differs in that advocacy is a general term for promotional and agenda-based editing, while conflict of interest primarily describes promotional editing by those with a close personal or financial connection to the

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Given that those disagreements appear to be never ending, would it not be better to resolve the issue by protecting the article in a compromise version (e.g. something like the current version, which mentions one of the 2 contentious issues in the lede but not the other

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Yes, I've barely commented here so I don't know why Snow Rise has decided that I'm proposing some wide-ranging rule. The issue with this particular article is that a small number of editors with an association with the subject are consistently trying to whitewash it.

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My own understanding was that what might (or might not) be appropriate in this case would not then be extrapolated to apply to all adherents of all religious groups. However, it may be best to hear from Cordless Larry and Tarnished Path to see what they had intended.

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single word in one sentence. Trying to hang the proposed denominational rule from that one word is like trying to hang an anvil with a single string of sewing thread. With similar likely consequences for the community that has to walk underneath it, I might add.

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The fundamental issue with this article is that users with some association with the church repeatedly try to remove certain material which reflects badly on the church (either removing it directly or attempting to create a consensus for such removal via the talk

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I think that such a claim is implicit in the assertions regarding these two individuals. That (merely) being a member of an affiliated church is sufficient to consider it to be a sufficient COI to activate COI editing restrictions and to tag the article as such.

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Well I'd certainly resist interpreting it as "religious belief never gives rise to a COI" or "religious belief seldom gives rise to a COI", as some editors seem to want. If you're editing about your religion you are in the danger zone. Best avoided in my view.

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Yes, Tacyarg. I agree 100%. Also, the extended list of compositions, musical releases, etc. that the user added was clearly non-encyclopaedic. What is the best option here? I'm thinking maybe revert to the last good version as at some time in October 2023.

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I don’t really see the present discussion as being likely to result in any resolution. A lot of ink will just be wasted in further disagreement on COI vs POV and the underlying problem (which is really just the never ending content argument) will continue.

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In any event, the combination of a user where previous COI concerns had been raised (EastThermopolis) plus company articles with extensive UPE seemed worthy of raising here. User Lullaby09!, on the other hand, appears to be a straightforward case of UPE.

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at the Village Pump or the talk page for the policy. But attempting to get the rule put into effect through the back door here, by implying that it already represents community consensus is deeply problematic, in my view. If such a rule (which would be

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desperate to whitewash cult allegations away from the article, LDS editors with undisclosed connections pimping article, and don't even start on Scientology (those last two had arbcom cases). Of course it's an issue. It sucks up a lot of time. It's why

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My point was that there was a very obvious difference, in COI terms, between (a) an SPA repeatedly trying to remove adverse material about their church and (b) hypothetical weak (or non existent or abstract) COI alternatives. Let's not get diverted.

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I’ve been watching (and sometimes contributing to) this noticeboard for perhaps the last year. Over that period there have been many threads started when COI had not previously been raised on the subject’s talkpage (or when it had been raised only

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Knowledge editing on behalf of clients of an advertising and marketing company. The editor has fewer than 270 edits and has gone dormant in the past for months/years at a time. However, since May 2024, the editor became more active and focused on

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Hi, I agree that the user is basically a spammer adding a website (presumably their own website) to as many articles as possible. However, they've only added it 3 times in the last 12 months and have made no edits at all since 3rd January

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It's not so much a matter of their intention or an extrapolation. It's a matter that it was the basis given for all of the COI discussions and assertions. I.E. that just being a member was sufficient to be an actionable COI. Sincerely,

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The issues surrounding the ICOC article are quite serious. It really isn't appropriate for you to continually use it as a proxy for the issue which is really of interest to you, which is of course downplaying conflict of interest around

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I didn't check any further through the article but there is presumably a chance of further COPYVIO in other sections. The COI user you mentioned above had a large edit to another article revdelled for COPYVIO in August (see here

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Similar figures have been raised by editors at ANI and I'm not sure exactly what they are trying to interpret out of those numbers. By my counting I've made 18 edits to the article since 3 May 2024. The largest of my edits (see

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Promo material seems to be very common on articles for further education establishments, many of whom seem to want Knowledge to be an extension of their own websites. That being the case, copyvio is always going to be a strong

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I searched on Google under various combinations of search terms but found nothing that addressed the events in question. However, I'm not sure that that would be considered the final word on whether sourcing might be located.

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Obviously different people will set the 'common sense' bar in different places and there is room for discussion on the exact interpretation on a case by case basis. To my mind, that is the strength of the current wording of

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Incidentally, I was unsurprised to find plenty of copyvio in the article. Significant elements of the History section are directly lifted or closely paraphrased from the 'Our History' section of the FTS website, here

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54geren has also added an award to Helmut Maucher’s BLP. The award comes from the Swiss Chamber of Commerce, which is run by R.A.U. Juchter van Bergen Quast, adding yet another tally to the SPA’s almost-sole focus.

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edits on the talk page. You also cannot claim that you were unaware of conflict of interest policies as there are still multiple notifications on your talk page about this, which you have appear to have ignored.

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I understand the point. Wish I knew that this random thing would lead me to this situation. Thanks anyway. I appreciate you clarifying things for me. And yes, none of this is the case. The band is far out of my

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suggestion to you: it should have been in exactly opposite way. Step 1: Notify the editor; Step 2. See if they comply. And only if they did not then Step 3: bother a full crowd of editors in this here board.

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Thanks for your points. Though, this does not exactly address the substantive COI questions at play here. The (formerly?) paid editor remained mostly dormant for the past few years and sprung into action only

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Once COIN declares that an editor has a COI for a specific article, COIN (or a variety of other noticeboards) may be used to determine whether an edit by a COIN-declared COI editor meets a requirement of the

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In that time I don’t believe I’ve seen a single example where the original poster was taken to task on the procedural point you’ve raised, which is essentially the reason that I opened this thread yesterday.

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and I can only assume they believe because they are the father/relative of the subject they can add without sources. I had originality re-reverted as disruptive editing by an anon then revert a 4th time per

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Conflicts of interest can exist even when there is no monetary interest. For example if I were to edit an article about myself or my family in the unfortunate circumstance that any of us were ever notable.

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This page should only be used when ordinary talk page discussion has been attempted and failed to resolve the issue, such as when an editor has repeatedly added problematic material over an extended period.

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started this discussion to get clarity about. I started this because I want to know what the community thinks. Does a COI, however weak, exist and if so should the connected editor notices be maintained?

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And the falsely invented bad faith is that my intention in such a discussion is to " try to downplay the general impact of COI" when I point this out, and in conjunction with IMO extremely weak COI's.

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You seem to be under a misapprehension. I didn't say that the distinction I drew should be a universally applicable rule. I said that that was the difference that I perceived in those 3 particular cases.

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I agree that this user should be blocked. Disclosing COI and following the COI edit request process are easy to do. This user's refusal to do so, even after 13 years of COI editing, does him no credit.

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John Gresham Machen died on Jan. 1, 1937, leaving behind a diverse movement of conflicting concerns and convictions that led to the founding of Faith Theological Seminary the following summer of 1937

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Just because some Wikipedian's may have something like a disconnect with reality, does not mean that group of "some" is broad, even if sometimes peculiarly or serendipitously up-front, on occasion.

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The best thing to do would probably be just for you to remove the offending links and place a level one notice (for adding spam links) on their talk page. You can find the relevant template here

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Faith Theological Seminary was officially independent (by the design of the "Certificate of Incorporation of Faith Theological Seminary, Inc." Feb 7, 1938) of any specific denomination's control

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Incidentally, I see that the user has continued to add Meyer-related info to the encyclopaedia since this thread was opened. Could you not just block the user as an obvious promo-only account?

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If all of that material is removed, pretty much all that will remain will be the negative material in the latter part of the History section and the negative material in the Academics section.

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wrong with your contributions, right? Especially for someone who hasn't been around for decades, it's normal and even desirable for an editor to do one area deeply instead of flitting around.

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But wouldn't you say that at some point it gets negligibly small? At one extreme would be a member of the human race editing articles on humans. Outright paid editing is at the other extreme.

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It's probably reasonable to assume that the unsourced Oct '23 and Nov '23 IP edits were also made by the same user, given that the IPs geolocate to Baltimore (where the Seminary is located).

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If you find that sort of user profile even remotely comparable to that of a user whose almost sole preoccupation is trying to remove adverse material about their church then you are wrong.

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made by JamieBrown2011 since 2011, and anyone is free to examine and interpret them as well. Just so we are clear, I'm not casting aspersions about your editing behavior at the article or

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posting to Knowledge; as an employee of companies you're writing about, you have a very significant conflict of interest. You have not followed any of the steps to be in complicance with

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states that the distinction between significant and insignificant COI is to be determined by common sense. As far as I can see, what I said was a reasonable application of that concept.

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COI is weak that those notices should be removed. Can I please get advice from editors whether a COI exists, weak or not, and whether the connected editor notices should be removed.

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A whole bunch of users have been adding more or less the same massive amount of unreferenced promotional text to this article. Every time one user gets a COI warning, another pops up.

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I'm sympathetic to the arguments of Bon courage, who points out various problems we've had with religious whitewashing, but what is the need to classify that as COI? We already have

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Also, not connected with this user, some of the hotels etc in the very long list at the foot of the Belmond Limited article may be worth a look for notability reasons, for example

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A COI of belief can be serious in individuals who are (say) zealously committed to nationalist or political causes, among many others. Religious belief can be a basis of a COI; as

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and apologies for the delay. My opinion is that while the edits were problematic, they're fairly stale. Please ping me if they resume disruption as it might merit a block then.

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The original faculty consisted of Oswald T. Allis, Robert Dick Wilson, Allan A. MacRae, John Murray, Paul Woolley, Cornelius Van Til, Rienk Bouke Kuiper, and Ned Stonehouse.

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Kseni-kam does a very decent job of translating articles from other wikis, in particular, I run into her translations of art-related pages from ru-wiki. The editor declared

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The account certainly seems to have been used to fulfil that purpose, essentially by spamming all reference to the organisation's activities when covered by the media, e.g.

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I don't think any significant action will be taken against the user unless they replace the material, especially since they haven't previously been instructed not to spam.

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The source/person is “R.A.U. Juchter van Bergen Quast”. The editor is 54geren, who has added Bergen Quast, using two of Bergen Quast’s websites, to the following articles:

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A "belief" is not a relationship. A membership or employment is a relationship, but general membership is not usually a COI for anything, although employment regularly is.

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I dont think VPP is for handling individual editors. IMO it may be decided by admins, who can poll the opinions who reviewed the work of the editor. We have to invoke

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in the lead, and the singular focus on this one entertainer make this seem very suspicious to me. However, I figured it'd be worth hearing what other people think.

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Thanks. Hopefully now they have stopped just 'reacting', they will read the policies and guidelines and realise they are there to protect their son. Thanks again,

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it, if not for the fact that I've seen a lot of such short-sighted, shooting-ourselves-in-our-collective-foot-while-aiming-at-a-pest style arguments here of late.

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reverting some of the COI user's edits. I thought it might be useful to note something here, even thought it isn't directly related to the COI user you mention...

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Looking at the user's talk page this seems to be a longstanding problem. The user has previously admitted to creating articles for people they know, for example:

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has served the same purpose. Regardless of the individual content, I'm not convinced that the long list of hotels etc is appropriate for a Knowledge article.

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Well, you are not likely to get far with COI unless the user says 'I am an elder' or some such, significant bias and revert war can lead to sanctions though.

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This whole "humans editing about humans" nonsense is a device that you have regularly used to try to downplay the general impact of COI (e.g. in this thread

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Granting an exception for OKA editors to go through AfC (in whole or part) has been discussed before, a couple of times or so. I think the most recent is

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There's a long history of COI editing and COPYVIO on this article, going back to at least 2008 (based on now deleted material from the article talk page).

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FTS grew in size and moved to Huston Hall in Wilmington in 1941, then to Lynnewood Hall (the former Widener estate) in Elkins Park, Pennsylvania, in 1952

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When a user is adding material that appears to be seriously promotional, I think it's always worth sticking some of it into Google to see what pops up.

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we wait to see what Tarnished Path and Cordless Larry have to say at the (current) foot of this thread, where that issue is currently being discussed.

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called such levels of pay “eyewatering … at a time when people are struggling to pay bills” and has hit out at levels of spending on renewable energy.

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Looking at the article's contributions history I saw that there had been a long history of (likely COI?) SPAs working on the article so I checked for

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Further potentially non-notable, inadequately sourced, promo, etc. articles relating to this hotel chain and usually originally installed by UPE/SPA:

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sanctionsville. By their edits shall ye know them. Editors engaged in advocacy are bad news, COI or not, and there are mechanisms to deal with that.

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JamieBrown2011 is #2 out of the top 10 for added text, so JamieBrown2011 has definitely had a sustained interest in the topic over the last 13 years.

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FTS initially used the facilities of the First Independent Church of Wilmington (later Faith Bible Presbyterian Church), pastored by Harold Laird.

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Off-wiki evidence (Googling) suggests that this user has a connection to Siena College. Some of their additions have read promotional, such as

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Thanks for checking into the copyvio issues. The article clearly needed some work but I hadn't realized it was lifted verbatim in some areas.

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I don't consider SPA's to be a bad thing per se, but when the "single purpose" is also a COI I think it's fair to say that that is a bad mix.

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massive. More to the point, this is not the place to propose such a shake up. If you really want to float this standard to community, make a

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Siena provides a range of on-campus housing options including traditional residence halls, private bathroom rooms, and townhouse units

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JamieBrown2011, out of a total of 2494 edits, ~1306 have been to the ICOC article and/or talk page, and they are listed as one of the

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That's not how any of this works. "The system" isn't removing your edits, people are because they go against Knowledge's policies on

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I've now removed the copyvio material and some other minor elements of text that made no sense once that material had been removed.

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Not all editors are aware of our COI policy, especcially the nonfrequent ones. I noticed that you notified the user about WP:COI

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This would ideally be the best spot, but unfortunately COIN is a relatively low-traffic noticeboard nowadays. I posted a note at

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My username, it is literally just a random name? I am confused. How do i defend my username which I just created out of nowhere.

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I 100% agree about the lack of reliable sourcing making it difficult. I've stated elsewhere that the article is too reliant of

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reasons why he proponents here seem to be playing an immensely high stakes game of hot potato with regad to project stability.

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Also worth noting, off-wiki evidence indicates that the user isn't simply a member of the organisation, they are an employee.

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If you think "Wikipedians editing about Knowledge" is nonsense, what do you think about Wikipedians editing the articles on

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when you are done to remove the article from the category. Leave a Talk comment for the requester to explain your decision.

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institution; good or bad, facts are facts and we have to present them. I'd support a topic ban if needed for the editors.

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I thought that they are notable. I have been editing, creating articles since 2012. I didn't get money for this activity.

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further up this noticeboard) rather than to address the actual issues in whatever the case is that is under discussion.

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which called for a people-first windfall tax in the UK government's 2023 Spring Budget that includes executive bonuses.

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But let's talk about bias in editing. One of the editors who is claimed to have a COI has edited the article to say:

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organization gives rise to a COI to some degree. Religious types don't get some sort of special treatment exemption.

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I worked as music editor in Public Television of Azerbaijan. I have created articles about them. What is the problem?

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None of this is properly cited and the chances of proper citing emerging must be considered to be adjacent to zero.

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and (b) a member of a church acting as an SPA to continually attempt to remove adverse material about that church?

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and make necessary adjustments, and if he reawakens and the editing is active, we can reassess it at that point.

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Also, the suggestion directly above that COI has to involve money is demonstrable untrue, you only have to read

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material until the user recently replaced it with direct lifts from the college website (as part of this edit:

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advisable, that's one thing. As TarnishedPath was told at ANI, they or any other party are free to make such a

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So, while I thank you for your thoughts above, I was hoping for input on the COI/advocacy side of the issue.

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My understanding is that the relevant paras in the Knowledge article probably need to be completely removed.

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that he stated he doesn't have a conflict anymore. And given that he hasn't made any edits, feel free to be

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How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Knowledge is governed by common sense

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to a thread being started). There have even been instances where such threads have been started by admins.

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Advocacy is an explanatory essay while COI is a policy, but ultimately everything in Advocacy comes from

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is that it involves money, or an undisclosed financial interest. Merely being a believer does not create

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Unsoured personal information is a BLP issue, regardless of any possible COI. Reverted in the meantime.

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All of these edits survive in the article (some in modified form). It looks to me like this editor is

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I notice, though, that TarnishedPath's contributions, though reported as 11.4%, only seem to highlight

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An editor can be biased without additionally having a COI. Issues involving bias may be more suited to

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guidance page only deals with disclosure. Guidance on editing is covered on English Knowledge by the

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I have many friends such as musicians. Musician asks me to create their articles on english wikipedia

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Freshmen are typically housed in traditional residence halls such as Hines, Plassman, and Ryan Halls

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was written only by people who had no beliefs about those subjects. Actually, I'd be surprised if

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share to help me become a good editor. I apologize, if in any way, I disrespected anyone involved.

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Altenmann, while I don’t disagree that you are technically correct I’d simply comment as follows…

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Also, re: the diffs you give, I wasn't referring to that user. I was referring to the other one.

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not representing a conflict of interest. However, I don't agree that those are at all comparable.

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Articles written about a person, group, club or band by such a person, group, club or band with

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unsourced claims in the lead - which would be an overly long list even if it were all sourced).

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here without their permission. Non-public evidence of a conflict of interest can be emailed to

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So, the areas of concern are the 'History', 'Research Institute' and 'Student Life' sections.

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subscribing to theism. The end result would be that all religious content must be written by

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As for expecting "decent editors" to steer clear of things they believe, I'd be astonished if

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as still being on the page, so I'm not quite sure what's being counted in these percentages.

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for not declaring COI. In 2022 there were mentioned on the Administrators' Noticeboard (here

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Gandalf5 has been documenting every minor detail of Dan Meyer's life and previously created

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The mentioned "robust discussion" raises some serious objections about sweeping permissions

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For the record, the various recent deletions of promotional material that had been added by

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rejected 3 times at AfC , the second and third times for ‘read like an advertisement’: here

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is presumably a related account or sock, both Simplellali and the sock have been warned for

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case, okay, you don't need to do anything, but that is the initial impression people have.

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deleted, some of their more recent edits indicate attempts to whitewash the reputation of

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Concerns over COI/UPE with user EastThermopolis have previously been raised at COIN here

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JamieBrown2011 has made many direct edits to the article, some of them promotional, e.g.

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additions to the article that weren't flattering for/biased in favor of the denomination

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In 2020, the seminary's board of directors selected Jerry Harmon to serve as president.

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you let me know, what proofs or evidence would you need to clear your doubts? Thank you

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Knowledge:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_203#International_Churches_of_Christ

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Knowledge:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_207#International_Churches_of_Christ

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a week has gone by without further comment, so I'll go ahead and impose the block now.

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Mr van Beurden's pay package was criticized by human rights and environmental charity

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I see that there's been quite a lot of recent activity on this article with yourself,

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creating/curating the various articles, similarly more recently the apparent UPE/SPA

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specifically says religious belief can give rise to a COI. An external connection to

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as they appear to be socking but did not want to revert again so came here. Regards

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gives some insight into the various other promo-type issues they have experienced.

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Knowledge:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Meta Voyager's tendentious editing

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There as been previous discussion here about this article and these editors (see

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Well Wikipedians do have such a COI, but at least it is obvious to the reader.

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should not be used as a "trump card" in disputes over article content. However,

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their own website, why would they bother to go to the trouble of re-writing it?

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North8000, do you accept that there is a pretty obvious difference between (a)

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coverage, about whether those issues should be mentioned in the lede, etc. etc.

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sanctioned with a community topic ban from articles about Islam. In any case,

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sourcing and really those sections which are over reliant should be trimmed.

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that there were some apologies from related churches, but not reconciliation

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at the head of the complaint, with the reason for closing and your signature.

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I would not call editing 5 articles in 6 months particularly "spamming". --

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Their edits are blatantly promotional. They continue to flagrantly ignore

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To begin a new discussion, enter the name of the relevant article below:

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in 2024, and anyone is free to examine and interpret them. Here are the

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Promo tinged page created for a Mongolian businesswoman and politician

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As Siena College grew in size, so did the demand for on-campus housing

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The user's userpage states "My purpose is to support my organisation

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From my standpoint the route forward is simply to monitor and follow

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It seems like there is a bit of an edit war going on between you and

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Your report or advice request regarding COI incidents should include

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Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (prev. reverted)

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will automatically archive the thread when it is older than 14 days.

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Looks to me like a straightforward case of spamming and advocacy.

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Nobility of the First French Empire (prev. removed as promotional)

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Bon courage, I think you are making a leap from "religious belief

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I wonder if it is time to start thinking about blocking this user?

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notify any editor who is the subject of a discussion. You may use

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that they are employed by the seminary as the academic dean. The

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so I simply reverted as unsourced trivia but they reverted. Then

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pre-COPYVIO version (e.g. as per the 'pre' version in this diff:

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Synopsis of previous COI/promo activity by user EastThermopolis:

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Order of Orange-Nassau (prev. removed as “irrelevant blog link”)

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disagree with you about the content of the article have a COI?

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that the same leader and the church were sued over sexual abuse

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Category:Knowledge articles with possible conflicts of interest

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Unsourced personal info added to article of Russian oligarch

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Knowledge:Featured articles#Religion, mysticism and mythology

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article, right? If someone cares, they must do it right. --

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from the History section on the college's own website, here

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ones, so nobility articles, honours articles, and the like.

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started reverting the removal. They posted on my talk page

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makes contributions whose content are contrary to consensus

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articles if we tried to implement a religious litmus test.

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Since the paid contributors are required to go via AFC by

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its inclusion, which is why it's AfD did result in a keep.

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However, to return to the original point of the thread...

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that same leader was eventually kicked out of the church

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indicates that they are still employed by the seminary.

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Users EastThermopolis & Lullaby09!/ Belmond Limited

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bias can exist in the absence of a conflict of interest

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give rise to a COI", and I don't think it's warranted.

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Unquestionable COI as they outted themselves with this

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Your username suggests you are more than just a fan.

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Further eyes on these articles would be appreciated.

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a member of the human race editing articles on humans

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Knowledge:Conflict of interest#COI is not simply bias

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as editor involved in the previous COIN discussions.

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respectively). Now there is a discussion at ANI (see

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Category:Knowledge conflict of interest edit requests

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Category:Knowledge conflict of interest edit requests

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It doesn't matter if you specifically receive money

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Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem

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Knowledge:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard

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Then undeleted and eventually removed via AfD 4382:whether it can be removed towards the bottom of 6755:I fail to see what is so blatantly promotional 911:Knowledge:Usernames for administrator attention 877: 6406:and then they responded to a COI warning with 5847:'Academics' and 'Athletics' sections are fine. 3017:observes "Any external relationship—personal, 1390:Talk:Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy 4753:and has been editing the article since 2011. 1005:Old issues are taken away by the archive bot. 55: 6961:and reflect our research onto (Knowledge)". 5929:Thanks very much for spotting that, Axad12. 5629:. Looks serious. I have somewhat toned down 5211:Russian tradition of the Knights Hospitaller 4912:Russian tradition of the Knights Hospitaller 1131:Knowledge conflict of interest edit requests 5865:, section on 'Growth of campus facilities). 5220:Orders, decorations, and medals of Portugal 5014:Orders, decorations, and medals of Portugal 3448:per the the conclusions already reached in 2938:as editors involved in the ANI discussion. 1544:Talk:Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation 889:Knowledge:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard 6165:which should attract some more attention. 5763:Siena College offers a vibrant campus life 4444:, but it immediately follows that up with 62: 48: 6858:and trim what is suspicious. It is not a 6398:who had previously used the edit summary 5263:. It's about 25 places down on the table. 4454:movement charter principle of inclusivity 4113:give rise to a COI" to "religious belief 1481:Talk:Library of Congress Subject Headings 4002:a key leader's children left the church 1488:Talk:Mark Twain Prize for American Humor 983: 738:personal information about other editors 7076:you started this discussion. Here is a 2164:The previous username of this user was 1159:Talk:Madeline Bell (hospital executive) 655: 642: 14: 7432:Knowledge conflict of interest editing 7414: 6141:Knowledge:Paid-contribution disclosure 5826:Hopefully this note is of assistance. 820:, the article page may be tagged with 799:and focus on one or more items in the 5214:Imperial Order of the Dragon of Annam 4946:Imperial Order of the Dragon of Annam 2513:by Registered Agents Inc. (examples: 1111:is where COI editors have placed the 982: 876: 845:3. There is no COIN consensus. 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