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477:– The history of this article goes back to 2004. As others here have observed, it's clearly a notable subject and this article goes beyond what's in the main article. The content here is indeed unsourced and is technically OR, but it doesn't seem to contain any obvious POV howlers. It can be improved. -- 376:
because it is an entirely in-universe description of a fictional work. Articles about fictional topics need to include at least some sort of real-world background, context or analysis. I'm sure enough people have written about Nineteen Eighty-Four for this to be possible but as it stands the article
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Concur with nom, mostly. It also appears that each individual nation was merged into this single article not too long ago. It's drastically undersourced and, in the style of writing, currently has little encyclopaedic value and currently suffers from a bunch of
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worthy; there's plenty of stuff in here not in the main article, not all of it being fancruft.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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have been resolved, and I’d be happy to withdraw this nomination. Best wishes,
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based upon recent improvements, redirection is not merited any longer.
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as suggested by the nominator; the topic itself does not seem to meet
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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was found relatively quickly) but the article as it stands is
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I actually think this topic may be notable (sourcing like
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222: 498:. Would not be opposed to an overall merge to some 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 568:). No further edits should be made to this page. 319:Note: This discussion has been included in the 372:as suggested by the nominator. This violates 236: 274:disagreed about whether to redirect or not) 116:Help, my article got nominated for deletion! 455:for the ping, I have updated my vote. -- 264:Nineteen Eighty-Four#Political geography 502:article, but the subject seems notable. 14: 458:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 434:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 399:following the recent improvements. 23: 24: 580: 500:Universe of Nineteen Eighty-Four 101:Introduction to deletion process 125:Nations of Nineteen Eighty-Four 77:Nations of Nineteen Eighty-Four 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 13: 1: 7: 91:(AfD)? Read these primers! 10: 585: 549:16:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC) 516:12:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC) 487:01:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) 468:01:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC) 444:00:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC) 410:16:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC) 388:20:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC) 363:14:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC) 337:13:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC) 312:12:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC) 288:12:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC) 71:12:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC) 52:. Withdrawn by nominator 558:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 296:Withdrawn by nominator 355:ProcrastinatingReader 89:Articles for deletion 377:isn't encyclopedic. 525:Serial Number 54129 55:(non-admin closure) 547: 513: 339: 335: 310: 286: 106:Guide to deletion 96:How to contribute 69: 57: 576: 539: 504: 479:Michael Bednarek 464: 440: 405: 383: 327: 318: 302: 278: 272:Michael Bednarek 241: 240: 226: 178: 166: 148: 86: 61: 53: 34: 584: 583: 579: 578: 577: 575: 574: 573: 572: 566:deletion review 545: 514: 466: 462: 442: 438: 403: 381: 333: 308: 284: 183: 174: 139: 123: 120: 83: 80: 67: 48:The result was 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 582: 571: 570: 552: 551: 541: 518: 503: 489: 472: 471: 470: 456: 432: 415: 414: 413: 412: 391: 390: 365: 341: 340: 329: 316: 315: 314: 304: 280: 244: 243: 180: 119: 118: 113: 103: 98: 81: 79: 74: 63: 46: 45: 25: 15: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 581: 569: 567: 563: 559: 554: 553: 550: 546: 544: 538: 534: 530: 526: 522: 519: 517: 511: 507: 501: 497: 496:WP:NOTCLEANUP 493: 490: 488: 484: 480: 476: 473: 469: 465: 459: 454: 450: 447: 446: 445: 441: 435: 430: 426: 422: 421: 420:Weak redirect 417: 416: 411: 408: 407: 406: 398: 395: 394: 393: 392: 389: 386: 385: 384: 375: 371: 370: 366: 364: 360: 356: 352: 348: 343: 342: 338: 334: 332: 326: 322: 317: 313: 309: 307: 301: 297: 294: 293: 292: 291: 290: 289: 285: 283: 277: 273: 269: 268:Deacon Vorbis 265: 261: 257: 253: 249: 239: 235: 232: 229: 225: 221: 217: 214: 211: 208: 205: 202: 199: 196: 193: 189: 186: 185:Find sources: 181: 177: 173: 170: 164: 160: 156: 152: 147: 143: 138: 134: 130: 126: 122: 121: 117: 114: 111: 107: 104: 102: 99: 97: 94: 93: 92: 90: 85: 78: 73: 72: 68: 66: 60: 56: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 557: 555: 540: 520: 491: 474: 451:. Thank you 448: 419: 418: 401: 400: 396: 379: 378: 368: 367: 328: 303: 295: 279: 259: 245: 233: 227: 219: 212: 206: 200: 194: 184: 171: 82: 62: 49: 47: 31: 28: 425:WP:NFICTION 210:free images 50:speedy keep 463:reply here 439:reply here 374:WP:NOTPLOT 562:talk page 523:based on 260:redirect' 37:talk page 564:or in a 537:Eddie891 453:Eddie891 369:Redirect 325:Eddie891 300:Eddie891 276:Eddie891 256:fancruft 169:View log 110:glossary 59:Eddie891 39:or in a 533:Hut 8.5 529:Piotrus 521:comment 506:ZXCVBNM 404:Hut 8.5 382:Hut 8.5 216:WP refs 204:scholar 142:protect 137:history 87:New to 429:WP:TNT 351:WP:TNT 188:Google 146:delete 347:WP:OR 231:JSTOR 192:books 176:Stats 163:views 155:watch 151:links 16:< 543:Work 531:and 510:TALK 494:Per 492:Keep 483:talk 475:Keep 449:Keep 397:Keep 359:talk 331:Work 306:Work 282:Work 270:and 252:this 250:and 248:this 224:FENS 198:news 159:logs 133:talk 129:edit 65:Work 262:to 238:TWL 167:– ( 485:) 361:) 323:. 218:) 161:| 157:| 153:| 149:| 144:| 140:| 135:| 131:| 512:) 508:( 481:( 460:| 436:| 357:( 242:) 234:· 228:· 220:· 213:· 207:· 201:· 195:· 190:( 182:( 179:) 172:· 165:) 127:( 112:) 108:(

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