Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 March 7

11073:. I can go on if you'd like, but I don't think any of the sources I linked can be described as just passing mentions. He is the CEO of Revo Tech, a highly notable company and the country's biggest one (mentioned in the source). In general, CEOs of major companies or the country's largest companies like this are notable enough to have their own articles, so rewriting rather than merging would typically be the best choice. Other than the mention of the three recognitions, which can be removed or fixed later, I don't see how the rest of the article is a puff piece, as it just mentions the basic facts in a neutral way. There are enough reliable sources online to back up this biography, so some of the press release references can eventually be replaced with better sources later on. Overall, it fits into the scope of an online encyclopedia. Myanmar's tech industry remains modest due to long-term military rule, but he is the country's most renowned technopreneur and the only one who has earned local and international attention. Moreover, the person in question serves as an exemplary representation of the many young individuals in Myanmar who have a strong interest in the field of technology (Myanmar is not the United States). With the ever-growing influence of technology in today's world, there has been a surge in the number of Burmese youths looking to enter the tech industry and explore various avenues for growth and development in this field. 2716:– I'll raise a few points. In my opinion, the requirement of notability exists to ensure that each article may at length consist of relevant, verifiable information. This, albeit of lower notability, is a topic which evidently can do that. In addition, the encyclopaedia is still a child: merging featured articles together is at this present moment unnecessary and serving to devalue content contributions. Moreover, this topic fairly obviously meets the GNG in my opinion – there's swathes of prose evidently sourced, and believe me these are not just statistics: they explain the how and why. At the moment our coverage of Harvey's career is imbalanced, but merging this article doesn't make our coverage of other parts of Harvey's career more thorough – only seem like it is. 4183:" Ayya Vaikundar was the first to succeed as a social reformer in launching political struggle, social renaissance as well as religious reformation in the country. Vaikundar was the pioneer of the social revolutionaries of south India and Kerala. Research scholars regard Vaikundar as a teacher, healer and also a miracle worker. He was also said to be the forerunner of all social reformers of India. He was in the forefront of movements for Human Rights and Social Equality. His teachings also effected many social changes in southern India, resulting in the emergence of a series of social and self-respect movements such as Upper cloth agitation, Temple entry agitation and other movements including those of Narayana Guru, Chattampi Swamikal, Vallalar and Ayyankali." 1569:. That all being said, I agree it doesn't need its own article. There is evidently little to say about this sub-region. The "Eastern Suburbs" region can easily deal with both the traditional conception and the wider conception that includes the South-East. We have too many region articles already. Everyone seems to be snobby about the other parts of their region and want their own little bit to have its own article. It's only a matter of time before we get people wanting article about "the Paris End of Canterbury-Bankstown", or "the Lower Upper North Shore", or "the Inner Inner West Excluding Burwood and Strathfield". -- 19758:. The local non-primary sources are independent and go beyond routine match coverage (beyond a couple of college games, there is nothing about individual matches). When there is this combination of significant, medium, and smaller coverage to make an adequate length and solidly detailed article (with sources not too difficult to find), I feel its a fairly clear article that qualifies for inclusion. I have voted delete (and even nominated) on other football articles in AfD, where sourcing was far less available (and nearly non-existent). So I'm not just voting keep just because it's a football article. 19578:

make announcements they post it on their social media so people can find out about it. So they're reporting what the team revealed. That comment just sounds like trying to discredit something that is entirely reasonable. It's not like I posted a link to the club's facebook page claiming that was a GNG news source. It's a third party news report. When PSG signed Messi, they also announced it on Twitter, and Instagram, and Facebook. Same as every club in the world making any signing/injury announcement/etc.

980:- Colloquially people who live in the south-east may say they live in the 'east' or 'eastern suburbs' and references to the 'Eastern Suburbs' in the larger sense can refer to the two areas by default but when Sydneysiders think of and/or refer to the 'Eastern Suburbs' they would include suburbs like Paddington, Bondi, Vaucluse, Rose Bay, Bronte, Watsons Bay etc. It would be highly unlikely by 'Eastern Suburbs' they'd be referring to suburbs like Matraville, Hillsdale, Botany, Pagewood and Chifley. 7351:. The chances are that there is at least some offline coverage of the person from when they played cricket, but I would think it unlikely in this case that we're going to be able to find anything in the way of reliable sources over a sensibly short timeframe. A redirect is slightly more complex in this case due to the musician and there may be a need to sort out some page moving and so on first - that would probably have been better discussed ahead of an AfD I imagine, but there you go. 7975: 1565:(I am not the IP editor above): "South-Eastern Sydney" certainly exists, if not necessairly under that name. It's the whole southern part of the Eastern Suburbs, aka the Parish of Botany. This is the part of the eastern suburbs that isn't the "traditional" Eastern Suburbs, being the LGAs of Waverley and Woollahra. The ABS Statistical Area Level 3 called "Eastern Suburbs - South" pretty much correlates with the customary "South-East": 23146:

happens a thousandfold before every UN conference (notwithstanding the trans-Siberian rail trip aspect...interesting but not notable). There's simply no depth of content available, no assessment of influence, independent discussion of impact on the elaboration of the Beijing Declaration, or demonstration of any long term significance. The sources simply establish the document's existence, but nothing else. Regards, --

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to the NZHrald one. That's the way I took those comments as the all accepted there was "one". Given that both delete votes said that source was good and all the keep votes agreed with the six I posted, that's how I took that as everyone accepted that "one". Sorry if that's not what you meant, it was the way I interpreted it based on the previous comments - that it was acceptable as one but wanted more in addition.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=Douglas+and+Mary+Beth+Meyer+grapefruit&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=IWoHZNbDDunY5NoPmoWCyAo&ved=0ahUKEwiW2KaZosr9AhVpLFkFHZqCAKkQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=Douglas+and+Mary+Beth+Meyer+grapefruit&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAE6CAgAEKIEELADOgUIIRCrAkoECEEYAVDbHFjqKGDTKWgBcAB4AIABgwKIAcoJkgEFNi40LjGYAQCgAQHIAQXAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

14549: 14506: 14463: 14420: 14377: 14334: 14291: 14245: 14238: 14230: 5072: 5029: 4986: 4943: 4900: 4850: 4842: 8089:- They hold two different records - the heaviest and largest grapefruit in circumference. These are separate records, since you can hold one and not the other. The sources in the article mentioned as such. Additionally, the record is still ongoing as is any other record. It could be broken tomorrow, so it's not a one time thing. So it's not really a news thing since the story could completely change tomorrow. 121: 35: 14542: 14535: 14499: 14492: 14456: 14449: 14413: 14406: 14370: 14363: 14327: 14320: 14284: 14277: 5065: 5058: 5022: 5015: 4979: 4972: 4936: 4929: 4893: 4886: 10815:: The sources are not Ind RS, most are promotional, none are secondary sources with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indpeth. None of the keep votes above cite sources or notability guidelines. The article has been refbombed with non-independent sources, but no one has bought a single, independent, secondary source. BLPs need clearly reliable sourcing for notability and content. 4165:. Moreover there are hundreds of commentaries/thesis/lectures/books published in Tamil, Malayalam and English languages based on this; and few are mentioned in the reference section too. Ayya Vaikundar is a spiritual figure worshipped by million predominantly in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. And so the spiritual views over him (based on Sacred texts Akilathirattu Ammanai and Arul Nool) matters. 3147:, and anywhere else that's appropriate. We have an article about every international match played on this tour; we have an article about the series; one about the Australian team playing the series; and one about the player. Any information that doesn't already belong in those three articles is, IMHO, too much detail to be covered in an encyclopedia: it is also essentially prosified 2679:, all of which go into more detail as to why these articles are inappropriate for Knowledge. "Too big to merge" and "well sourced" are fallacious arguments. The article is large, and is seemingly well sourced, because it is a giant list of statistics and game results turned into prose. There is nothing in this fork that justifies it being split off from Neil Harvey's article. 983:- Residents who live in suburbs like Vaucluse and Paddington wouldn't recreationally shop at Westfield Eastgardens and residents of Botany and Chifley wouldn't recreationally visit Watsons Bay. Residents of the Woollahra and Waverley Council areas in general also wouldn't think of a suburb like Matraville to be part of their area nor associate it with the 'Eastern Suburbs'. 19707: 19694: 19681: 19668: 19655: 5480:'s analysis is spot-on. The sources added and being defended here are of the same miserable quality as those pushed by the same group of editors in hundreds of other AfDs closed as delete. It would be helpful if whoever closes this acknowledges that anti-consensus behavior like continuously asserting non-independent and clearly trivial sources meet GNG is disruptive. 2752:. Almost half of this article duplicate Harvey's article and the tour article. What's left is about 2,500 words which is mostly performance statistics in prose form, sourced to a statistics database. Anything encyclopaedic and reliably sourced that isn't already covered in Harvey's biography can be merged there. This seems to be in line with the consensus at AfDs for 4363:! He placed "" template at 90 individual sentence/words across the article. I was fresh to wikipedia then and was not aware of the MOS completely. Nevertheless, the regulations/guidelines of Knowledge were not fully defined those days (comparing today's) since Wiki was still developing. 17 years later, now it is been complained that the article was "Ref-bombed"! 5391:, section 3 - the table classes a person's employer as non-independent. I have 'significant coverage' on my own employer's website through a few things I've done such as Employee of the Month, charity events etc. but I don't qualify for an article because none of that has made it into independent, reliable sources that don't have any interest in promoting me. 18962:

university-accredited certification program for corporate directors" is not found in the source cited. None of the sources are independent, and the article was created by an SPA, not unlikely a paid one. The scholar results do not, IMO, over-come the PROMO. If we removed all of the non-sourced or non-independent info, there would be nothing left.

19840:'s (correct me if I'm wrong) opinion of the Hawke's Bay Today source as somewhat less than GNG-compliant despite having much more coverage than the other sources. I asked GS what the second ref was because I already knew we disagreed on the status of the first and since multiple pieces of SIGCOV are required it's important to specify 965:- The two have separate series of postcodes with the Eastern Suburbs having postcodes 2021 starting in Paddington to 2030 ending in Watsons Bay, the south-east has 2031 starting in Randwick to 2036 ending in La Perouse. Randwick and Watsons Bay are nowhere near next to each other in case it seems like an articulate continuation. 10683:. Though some of the sources cited do not count for notability but that is not to say that there are no sources that support their notability. It requires a careful one-by-one review of the sources cited to be able to find reliable ones due to large number (20) sources cited in the short article. There is already a problem of 3208:

and it's hard to argue that similar articles could not be written about every player in the more recent ones, relying on online news coverage. Not every verifiable detail is encyclopedic. I'm inclined to believe the international matches, and the tour itself, deserve articles, but it's hard to justify coverage beyond that.

2315:. I don't find much of any type of coverage. Even with the regulatory issues, it's all simply gov't websites giving decisions about their case. Tons of social media links, zillow, credit karma, no sort of discussions in media about the company. I assumed there might be due to their regulatory issues, but I can't see any. 4405:). The content written in this page is factually wrong, there are two characters are mixed up here. One is Sampoornadevan and another one is Vaikundar. This is the self-made article with wrong information, its against the primary source Akilathirattu Ammanai. My question is, What we are going to achieve by doing this? 947:- The Eastern Suburbs is directly east of the CBD, the south-eastern suburbs are geographically south-east of the CBD, any map can show you this making a lot of this debate quite obviously unnecessary. Saying a suburb like Matraville is within the same area of Sydney as a suburb like Rose Bay wouldn't make any sense. 4565:- not sure why there is a debate at this point; there's a religious figure with religious significance who also had a historical life. The pages are significantly different and the content is well sourced from what I can see. Both potentially need cleanup, but I don't see any compelling reason for delete or merge. 15269:), and covered the contents mentioned in the article. Onel5969 can't provide any evidence to support that current sources are not in-depth coverage. Onel5969 often deleted or merged articles that were sufficiently sourced and without any discussion. This behavior is not constructive, and very harmful for the 14977:), and covered the contents mentioned in the article. Onel5969 can't provide any evidence to support that current sources are not in-depth coverage. Onel5969 often deleted or merged articles that were sufficiently sourced and without any discussion. This behavior is not constructive, and very harmful for the 13541:), and covered the contents mentioned in the article. Onel5969 can't provide any evidence to support that current sources are not in-depth coverage. Onel5969 often deleted or merged articles that were sufficiently sourced and without any discussion. This behavior is not constructive, and very harmful to the 4483:

Mythology. That is described in Ayya Vaikundar article. This view shall not be ignored since he is being believed as supreme God by tens of millions of people. (Actually, the complex relationships between these characters is not detailed in the article now. It's a laborious process and I am working on it).

16992:), and we generally keep naval vessels. I have added a secondary source that gives part of her service career, and have added some info about that service. I don't have access to French sources such as Troude, and my knowledge of French is minimal, but I suspect that a little search might add more info. 9448:- “appropriate” reasons are not suffice to describe the incompetence with reasons listed here being happy with less information, the article is beneficial to people such as myself on the autism spectrum, and I believe this wasn’t well thought about by the supposedly “fair” social thinkers listed above 21951:

sources applied, I see no sourced assertion of significance and notability. Why are they more notable than other student economist? This is a BLP with many biographical assertions without any citation. This article is about an ordinary academic and might be really handy if the subject was looking for

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I did note in my searches a handful of book authors who are quoting what I think are essays produced at the event, or after the event, that appear in that book. That might not be the clearest example of WP:PERSISTENCE. Noting academic sources, The Irish Times, The Irish Independent and books covering

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Hiya. Thanks so much for responding. RE: "onus on editors nominating to do searches". You are 100% correct. And I probably didn't look enough outside mainstream/news/related sources, and so overlooked the Cotter (2005) and Lerm-Hayes & Walters (2011) sources that you helpfully highlighted. Thanks

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I know that although different individuals may be on the spectrum we have different aptitudes oriented to different abilities, I assume keeping elemental and factual or in correspondence to “Trivia” is an advantage however there may be linguistic oriented people on the spectrum which would also still

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I respect your belief and sentiments. You believe Vaikundar as a God incarnate. Then why you are bothering about the critical Historical views in a history article. (OR) Why you are arguing for adding the historical interpretation to the belief related article which may go contrary to your beliefs! -

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While these articles are clearly a labor of love, at some point we need to recognize that not every incident in a month-long cricket tour is worth incorporating into Knowledge. It may be the most famous example of an Ashes series, but there's been one approximately every two years for over a century,

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The name of the school which actually doesn't include "south east" in its name hardly proves that "south east Sydney" exists. If it was called "South Eastern Sydney High School" you would have a credible argument but you don't. You have ignored an official report of council above (unlike most of your

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One of the arguments above is about areas having different cultures. For the sake of argument, let’s start with Bronte. If Bronte is culturally in the Eastern Suburbs, then so should its neighbour Clovelly. Ignoring the named beaches, if you were walking around streets in this area, you wouldn’t know

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Fails GNG. The Icelandic sources are far too brief to provide sigcov. They are also routine signing/match coverage and the MBL source cites his club's Facebook page. Sporty.nz is a club website and something written by his club Hawke's Bay United. "For all involved in Hawkes Bay United, that is very

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and agree per Taung Tan. Technology industry in Myanmar is still in its infancy, and there are only few individuals who have made significant contributions and achieved notability in this field. The subject is among one of the pioneers and has made significant contributions to the field, making him

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Your list has two sources, a Fox news piece on them, and a newspaper story. The rest are social medial posts. I wouldn't consider either of the first two sources as substantial. The grapefruit might have a chance at being listed in largest fruit or some sort of article like that, these people aren't

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Council borders are not a reliable way to define something. The trend in Sydney is for councils to merge together every 10 or 20 years and form larger councils. One day soon, The City of Randwick is likely to have merged with Waverley Council to become a single council. It won’t make sense to try to

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In your post, you said the "NZ Herald" one was decent, but not enough on its own and you want more beyond that one. You then asked GiantSnowman for what was the second source that shows notability, implying that NZ Herald was a source that implies notability. Dougal also said similar when referring

16187:(One of the top Canadian sports publications) writing about him, which they aren't doing for other 2 win fighters. He got to semi-main a 12,700 fan show with Sakuraba, whose the most famous Japanese MMA guy ever minus Inoki. He got roles in movies, television shoes and got a song made about him and 12462:

sorry, didn't see this. - Genuine lack of coverage is frequently something that just cannot be overcome. Since we only collate existing coverage, if that doesn't exist to a sufficient degree, then we are stumped as far as writing a standalone article is concernced. Specialist software often suffers

11739:) I should not need to add the sources to the article, I need only establish that the topic is notable to make a valid keep !vote. I did not suggest that the list above is exhaustive. Your comment is setting the bar too high, the onus was on editors nominating things for deletion to do the searches 11731:

The fact that the article needed improvements and me adding citations that didn't solve all of the sourcing gap is besides the point. There is no rule that significant coverage requires the source to be mostly about the topic, it's ok for it to be 10% about the subject if it is significant coverage

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both. The origins of hockey programs are notable, but this list is not. Some of the entries that are 'sourced' do not make any logical sense and reveal how useless the source itself is; do we really believe that Iceland never played an international game until they showed up at an IIHF sanctioned

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FILM 3 is for a collective body of work or well-reviewed films, one cult classic that didn't become so until 36 years later and only just barely gets mentioned now is a weak claim for notability. I'd be willing to revisit if we had more discussion of his work, the LA Times is fine, but that's about

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but there's no indication that he played in the actual tournament. Similarly, he attended the camp for the Fiji U20 camp but there's no indication that he's on the team and in particular, it seems clear that he has yet to play a single match for the U20. I'd also argue that being on the junior team

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Our subject here is about the historical validity of the Personality. We might have ignored the Historical perspective if the social impact of him is negligible when compared to the religious one. We cannot go by the line that every religions personality shall impact the society socially as well as

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Hi Sandy, would you mind assessing my last comment in the first AfD? My argument was that much of the content is way over-detailed and isn't actually DUE as it's mostly just editors prosifying raw stats. Plus a lot of it isn't actually directly on Harvey's role, it's just recounting the performance

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The Arbela piece is not independent. At the very least a declaration needs signatories...who were they? 25 Eastern Europeans subsidised by the FCO to travel to Beijing....out of "17,000 participants and 30,000 activists". To me appears little more than a working document produced on a train...what

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AfD is not cleanup and should not be used to coerce users into doing anything on an entirely volunteer project. I haven't evaluated the sources, but most appear to be fine on a surface level. All we need to establish notability (which is the sole issue raised by the nominator) is to determine that

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While existing refs could be improved, that is not unique to this page, as there are other pages which experience link rot too. The lack of concrete reasoning by the OP and the claim that the "majority of the sources would need to be removed if the article is kept" is silly, as Ponyo claims. There

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I don't see what the news station citing the club's Facebook page has anything to do with anything. They're citing the club. Everything gets written about something someone said. The team made an announcement through one of their official channels and this media source is reporting it. When team's

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Because he's a co-author and not principal author of his 'top' publications, I'm not convinced that the criterion for having "a significant impact in their scholarly discipline" has been met. I never heard of him in any of the Ontario business schools I attended (and I took governance and strategy

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which perhaps affords (max?) 10% of the text to the subject here. Certainly it isn't the primary topic of Wilson's piece. If you can add the other source you mention, and if they do (as expected/suggested) "easily verify notability", then I'll be delighted to self-close nom as withdrawn. Right now

9498: 2733:- After reading the article, I am not convinced this is merely a collection of statistics. Additionally, I'm not swayed by the argument the article does not meet the notability criteria or is not a reasonable split. It may not be worth the FA recognition but in my eyes it merits its own article. — 1462:

You've basically just ignored everything I had to say about the topic and every point I had to prove so really there isn't even any point in trying to improve Knowledge's accuracy if I'm just going to be come across ignorant editors pushing their own opinion and beliefs. I'm actually very tired of

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what is clearly missing here are reliable, independent sources that attribute to the importance of the software. So far I count 3 sources tied to the company and one source tied to JADE, the platform used to build the software which seems semi-independent to me (they have a financial incentive to

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were met, I'd just withdraw the nom. Obviously no obligation/expectation. RE: "doesn't need to be main topic". You are, of course, correct. I guess my point was simply that many of the sources, like Wilson (2005), represent transient coverage that is 'of the time'. And don't really help much with

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refers to the life and teachings of Ayya Vaikundar, being reconstructed purely from a historical perspective with reference to various historical sources in contrast to the mythological Akilamic views as mentioned explicitly in the intro of the article. The Historical views over Vaikundar equally

1557:"Our local government area covers 37.42 square kilometres (3,742 hectares) and includes the 13 suburbs of Chifley, Clovelly, Coogee, Kensington, Kingsford, La Perouse, Little Bay, Malabar, Maroubra, Matraville, Philip Bay, Randwick and South Coogee. It is located in the eastern suburbs of Sydney". 938:

South-Eastern Sydney should remain an article as it is separate from the Eastern Suburbs for numerous reasons for which I've already made a valid argument with significant justification on both Libstar and Daceyvillain's talk pages if anyone would wish to have a look at previous debates regarding

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of the delete !voters) agrees there's a SIGCOV source? I certainly don't think a hyper-local article is sufficient to meet SPORTBASIC (the local sources requirement is a caution that independence isn't a guarantee with those outlets, they need to be more strenuously vetted). And there definitely

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I see nothing that shows he meets any WP notability criteria. There's no evidence, or even claim, of significant BJJ success. None of the coverage seems to be significant and independent. There's also nothing to show the promotion he created is WP notable. Merely being a member of the Gracie

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The record is ongoing. It's not a one and done record. It could be broken, correct? I have information about the original grapefruit record. I could post that if it is needed to show that this is not some one time only thing. Just really looking for clarity here on how to judge the importance of

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per Vanamonde. I think this one is a little different from the four in this series already merged because those four were for figures that did little during the tour. Still, I can't quite get past the realization that this level of intricate detail on sporting matches is largely unencyclopedic

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Desertarun, you haven't explained why that is a bad thing. If those were notable, and respected summary style, what's wrong with having more articles? Consider a counterexample: we can have 15 song articles from the same album. By this logic, why wouldn't we merge and redirect all songs to the

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that's not an NZ Herald piece, it's from Hawke's Bay Today which is a much smaller paper in the NZME network that gets hosted on NZ Herald (presumably due to its circulation being too low to maintain its own website). The author is specifically dedicated to local sports. And anyway GNG requires

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Nevertheless, as you correctly note, there's no way to corroborate this achievement or almost any others. The only independently verifiable awards are the Jubilee medal and the FCPA designation. Whilst I'm sure he's not lying, the fact that there has been so little written about him (that's not

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No, preserving the edit history is not preferable, why would it be? If there would be consensus that nothing here is worth merging, then it is not preferable to keep the edit history, it would serve no purpose. We shouldn't do a merge as a means to keep the edit history, we should keep the edit

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Another major reason HERE is, both articles or not different perspectives about a same person. 4 Different personalities are involved with one character. Narayana, Sampooranathevan, Mudisoodum Perumal and Ayya Vaikundar. The spiritual amalgamation of all these characters is as per the Ayyavazhi

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Academics often confuse the historical as well as the spiritual perspective over Vaikundar . Because both the academic disciplines, the Humanity/Society and Spirituality/Belief/Philosophy have mutually inconsistent opinions over several events, instances, happenings etc. Hence both articles are

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There's three sources; two are not independent and the third simply contains three paragraphs describing the text. I've searched myself and found nothing further. There's no independent sourcing that establishes the significance of the document (rather than its existence) nor its effect on the

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You can make an argument for being routine, but it is clearly not non-independent, given its a third party source, which was my point. How else can a third party organization report on something (in any field of life, not just sport), if it hasn't happened yet. How can the third party report a

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faculty biography page (3 citations, including two on DeGroote's Directors College). Incidentally, all references to Prof. Bart on McMaster's websites have been removed, likely as a result of his forced retirement from the University in 2013. References to that 2013 incident and its subsequent

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A student who sold potato chips, established Revo Tech in 2012 and was able to shape it into one of the largest digital companies in Myanmar within five years. He graduated from the UK with a degree in computer science and worked in the tech industry in Singapore for four years. Along with the

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when Bronte ends and when Clovelly begins. But if Clovelly is in the Eastern Suburbs, then so should its neighbour Coogee, for the same reason. Ignoring the named beaches, you wouldn’t know when Clovelly ends and when Coogee begins. You can continue this argument all the way down to La Perouse.

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While there aren't any maps that clearly outline the border between the two areas, the separation lies amongst the geographic proximity from the CBD, the LGAs, the federal divisions and the postcode sequences which are all mentioned above. The fact that the two are separate areas of Sydney is

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support for a standalone article, but there is a source she authored, available on EBSCO with several grafs about the train and the declaration (Abdela, Lesley. 2016. “A ‘Boots-on-the-Ground’ Perspective: Fighting for Gender Balance and Gender Justice.” Britain & the World 9 (1): 116–31.

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history if and only if a merge is deemed the best solution. What I dispute is that merges would somehow receive priority over deletion (I've even seen the claim, though I don't remember if it was made by Gidonb, that one good faith merge !vote would automatically overrule all delete !votes).

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which do not have inline citations (which to be clear is everything on a page that has zero references) and then remove them until an inline reference is supplied. I appreciate that your WikiProject may well have internal notability standards, but the overall standards for inclusion are the

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Thanks for your reply and for the tone of it. I've looked again and actually you are correct that it is less black and white than I stated. When I read further into the sources that I found on Knowledge Library, they are not sufficiently robust to add to what is already mentioned supporting

22028:. The evidence for the latter is that from all the sources assembled one can not derive a few paragraphs of encyclopedic prose, which is observable from the promotional character of this biography (multiple weak sources + trying too hard to include almost everything of what's in them). — 19743:

Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone

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Checking the references, I cannot confirm most of the information in the article. The few awards with cites link to PR that he himself wrote, or a very brief sentence in a non-independent article that features other persons more prominently. The statement: "The College is Canada's first

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he has 19 article with 100+ citations which is an accomplishment in almost any field, probably even more in a field like his. Clearly the article needs cleanup and all statements not supported by external references need to be removed but deleting the article is the wrong way to go per

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of Fiji (which is what, 150th in the FIFA rankings?) does not make you notable, far from it. As far as a "club career abroad", let's get real. He's playing for a semipro team so he probably needs to have a second job to pay his rent. (And of course, none of the proposed sources meet

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If the decision is to keep, then there should be an aggressive purge of everything that cannot be third-party corroborated. As you said, that'll effectively reduce the article down to a link to his scholarly articles, the Jubilee medal, and his FCPA designation. About 3 sentences.

977:- If you were to look at the demographics and socioeconomics of Waverley Council & Woollahra Council vs City of Randwick you'd see a significant difference overall. Saying a suburb like Maroubra belongs in the same demographic as a suburb like Vaucluse wouldn't be coherent. 8486:

Perhaps I'm blind, but I'm failing to see where Onel5969 allegedly failed to assume good faith. I'm also failing to see what Onel should apologize for, given that the discussion was centered around the notability of a specific topic of articles which is entirely appropriate.

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Oh yes, I didn't realize there were multiple LAT sources here. The one I was referring to above is "The Celluloid Time Capsule". That obit is for Norton's father who has a mostly similar name. And I've already said my piece on the #3 pass alone so I need not repeat myself.

18915:, if I understand your argument, the article should be kept under criterion 1. There is not a claim of notability on the other 7 criteria. Prof. Bart might have a claim under criterion 5, but it's impossible to verify after McMaster purged references to him on its website. 3243:. Anything that really needs to be said about this subject can be said in the article about him or about the team's tour in England. Yes, anything that won't fit in those won't get read, but that's already the case – in January and February this article averaged all of 9220: 8290:

Can you point me to the ruling on here where Guinness is marked as a non-reputable source or purposely excluded? This would definitely be important for me to know going forward, as would this general world record but not-notable rule that nobody has been able to show me

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this debate when the truth of the matter is in plain sight. I hope more coherent editors come across this debate and see the facts. La Perouse's suburb description clearly states it is southeastern. There's even a high school in Maroubra called South Sydney High School.

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It's not being used to unfairly promote the players or something. I would disqualify it if they were saying, "Here's the great Marcus Lai. He is the best player ever and is sure to be the MVP of the tournament" or something of that nature. It's just mainly quotes from

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What is unclear about my initial statement, "I see nothing that shows he meets any WP notability criteria"? The sources you mention are two that mention him signing a one fight contract with Bellator and one fight result. None of these qualify as a source meeting

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s entire scope of episodes has been discussed in terms of themes, spin-offs, development, etc. To quickly find some substantiation of this that is already on Knowledge, see discussion of the innovation of the programming, detail of reportage, and scope of work at

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If the "world record for growing the largest grapefruit" is not notable, why would you think "person who holds record for growing the largest grapefruit" was notable if their sole source of notability was the grapefruit growing? I'm not understanding your logic.

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I've read the article and still can't understand what it's about. I don't find any sources for this "thing" the article talks about and it's too muddled to figure out what to be looking for. Seems to be about a religious person that either does or doesn't exist.

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Ahem. You will find, in point of fact, that there is no exemption from Knowledge policies or notability guidelines just because an article is allegedly beneficial to those on the spectrum. Being on the spectrum myself, I don't see it. Perhaps you can explain

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I hope other reviewers will look at the many assertions in the article that have failed verification. Also receiving a Fulbright travel grant does not add to notability. Reviewers might also want to check to page history and contributors - one subject editors.

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In modern times, borders are often defined by motorways, as motorways are loud, wide, polluted and discourage walking between the suburbs on either side of them. In this way the Eastern Distributor and M1 act as an unofficial border for the Eastern Suburbs.

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again! RE: "should not need to add more sources to article". Apologies if I wasn't clear, but I wasn't asking you to add to the article. Rather to mention here. To see if they were of similar to the Cotter (2005) and Lerm-Hayes & Walters (2011). As, if

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I'm sorry I was not more clear with my wikilinks - I don't think there is secondary coverage of the context or significance to support a merge to that article at this time. A merge to that article was my initial thought, but there does not seems to be a

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detail. There's a place for highly detailed blow-by-blow recounting of sports matches, but that place often isn't Knowledge, and spinning out a whole article for the purpose of allowing that level of detail generally isn't going to be a good idea.

18248:- The Gracie's are as notable as it gets in MMA. The article has been around for years and is only under threat due to new rules that were poorly thought out and seemingly made to assist with deletion. His article is not harming anyone, so keep it. 17552:- The article had been for years without an issue. It's only up for deletion due to new rules, which were poorly thought out and likely will not last. The article hurts nobody by being here and deleting it adds nothing, just takes information away. 5236:

is better but it still only mentions the names of two non-notable members of his family and the fact that he is 19 years old and nothing else. Nothing else at all. I don't see how this is worthy of a stand-alone article in a general encyclopaedia.

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also states that quote "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source". So, by rights, I can challenge

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due to how different our results were. We also know this couple would be in the Guinness World Records book since they are listed as a record holder. The people are notable since they grew the grapefruit, and the record could not exist without

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Multiple references saying he signed with Bellator does not show WP notability nor does routine sports reporting like fight announcements, results, or databases. I see no evidence that shows he meets the notability criteria for MMA fighters

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grant recipient to Italy. This is an internationally recognized grant. The subject has also mentored several students who have made some inventions and attributed their success to the subject. These events are reported by verifiable sources.

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religiously. THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. The Historical view about Vaikundar is directly against the religious views over him. While he is just a Social Reformer Historically he is the supreme most worshippable God as per Ayyavazhi Mythology.

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prove that there is an official entity with boundaries called south East Sydney? At best it's a subregion of the Eastern suburbs. You can have different demographics, shopping centres and Federal electorates in the same region like in the

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Would it help strengthen the credentials of the software if information was included about it being used in over 24 countries to manage the collection of milk from over 200,000 farms by the largest food and beverage company in the world,

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whose impact initiated atleast half a dozen Social Reformers consequently. Citing sources regularly is Ref-bombing?!!? I couldn't understand. Most of the Books cited are Publications from reputed Universities and Credible Biographers.-

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as there are verifiable sources cited in the article. It only takes due deligence reviewing the sources to find useful and verifiable sources. Subject of the article has done a number of international art exhibitions and is a two-time

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I have expanded the source analysis to include the three new sources. Please let me know if you have any queries. I personally don't see any notability established from these new sources as they are all just single passing mentions.

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matters because the social impact of the teachings of Vaikundar have had significant impact in South Indian Society generally; Specifically it impact over the Tamil and Keralite society is huge as briefed in the intro section again

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While I grant that the sources are a tad obscure, they're par for the course for the group's profile. I would hate to lose an article about an important (sub)cultural phenomenon because of The Rules. And here's the right time to

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We have seen "unintentional hoaxes" before, when someone creates a good-faith article based on bad information. In this case that is hard to ascertain, because no refs are cited to check up on their origins. This certainly fails

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Your level of ignorance is unbelievable that after such lengthy elaborations in the article you couldn't figure out what the article is about! Nomination of this article here (which was based on multiple third party sources) is

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Academics all across Tamil Nadu and Kerala, including multiple university publications refer to the historical validity of the activities of Vaikundar and its impact. Please Be Responsible before making unwarranted opinions. -

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I am yet to find any map that identifies so-called South East Sydney. But there are countless maps (government, commercial and otherwise) which clearly identify the Eastern Suburbs and show it extending all the way south to La

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a viable alternative here. Paul Buchanan is an extremely common name. The football player is virtually unknown and far less notable than other Paul Buchanans. For example, there is the Scottish musician and lead singer of

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Article. The question of notability does not arises since we are speaking about a personality who is the forerunner of social changes across India; which means who impacted one-seventh or atleast 500 million people

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The new light rail network is reusing routes from the old tram network (e.g. Anzac Parade). The old tram network continued all the way south to La Perouse and the routes were collectively called the Eastern Suburbs

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improve that article in my opinion and presumably some of the other delete !voters. These are not more or less valid than the opinions of people who believe that this factoid would improve the grapefruit article.

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be factual), I absolutely understand about the policies but this is not being deleted due to a policy it’s due a subjective impression of the policies which haven’t actually proven to be qualified impressions

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I don't think there is much comparison between someone who is famous, briefly, for growing large grapefruit and high scorers in the NBA. For a start, people who have long careers in the NBA are notable as per

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I wish editors would realize that any lack of expansion or referencing over time has no bearing on notability. There are tens of thousands ship articles that are all notable. It takes time to get to them!--

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I didn’t take this to ANI nor AE, I didn’t believe it was possible to be acceptable to add a non AfD article with an AfD article and only went to ANI and AE against Flibirigit as that’s exactly what he did

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allows that finals are almost certainly notable but this strongly implies that it refers to top/professional competitions rather than youth competitions. I can't find any reliable sources either, so fails

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People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

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No, it's not notable as the nominator suggests. It could be merged into the main article about he person perhaps. Ref-bombing it is neither helping nor hindering notability. Rest is gravy at this point.

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Nobody here has a problem with keeping up the first Soccer internationals per country, it’s a disgraceful double standard that isn’t based on something that would keep a thriving Knowledge community

3247:. It's one thing to write about an obscure but once important subject knowing it won't get many page views, but it's another thing have a narrow topic intersection like this that no one will read. 1220: 10687:. A before search indicates the subject of the article has done some notable works as well as exhibitions. The issue of COI raised on the article should not have been the reason for bringing it to 8022:

Do we have any proof over the payment claim other than "trust me bro"? Guinness does not list any pay to play fees on their site, though if you pay you can get your application looked at faster -

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to the conference. This is a few lines about a pre-conference document, with no explanation as to what it is or why it's more notable than the conference was. Not fussed if we !delete it either.

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One issue I have with citations is that the software originates from 1974, so there are not many external internet sources to verify some of the history. Any suggestions for how to handle this?

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Conference and the elaborabtion of the Beijing Declaration; unfortunately, I do not see that the article can be made stronger because the subject's notability cannot be establised. Regards, --

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The problem, in my opinion, is that one editor has written some very good-quality prose on this tour, but at a length and in a level of detail, that's not appropriate for an encyclopaedia.

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is more to the point, and Richardson seems to be supported by that. In any event, as the president of a university he must have received plenty of significant coverage to comply with the

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Or delete the series, the singular entry for deletion seems to break the statuesque on what is acceptable? And surely you can build a GNG article with all the links and stuff available.

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among many more sources. Clearly significant figure in US Virgin Islands football with ongoing career abroad and internationally capped. Article need improvement, not deletion. Thanks,

5143:(which is a dubious statement since he's a forward and has scored only 1 goal). The third is in Indonesian but it does not contain the words "Marcus" or "Lal". Finally, he plays in the 18481: 15615: 15607: 10147: 9235: 7852: 7707: 2399: 2208: 2155: 962:- The two have different major Westfield shopping centres. The Eastern Suburbs has Westfield Bondi Junction, the south-east has Westfield Eastgardens which the suburb was named after. 16879: 16157:. Show the best sources and if he really "easily passes" it shouldn't be hard to convince us. You're inexperienced at AfD discussions, so please consider this some helpful advice. 7925: 3614:- Could not find a single hit in local newspapers in Washington state nor Washington, D.C. (where the university seems to actually be based). Only decent result I could find is this 22276:

has been commented on by many sources and we have many lists of television episodes for exactly this reason. Note also that the nominee is fundamentally confused about this being a

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WILSON, M. Terms of Art and Tricks of Trade: A Critical Look at the Irish Art Scene Now. Third Text, , v. 19, n. 5, p. 535–543, 2005. DOI 10.1080/09528820500232470. Disponível em:

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Beyond stock pricing stories and a new CEO they've hired, it's all routine business announcements. I was looking at the Azeus brand for a redirect, but I don't think it's notable.

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If that's the case, the article needs to be expanded to explain better what it is, and as usual, better referenced. If you are familiar with this project, you should improve it!

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TL;DR for those joining: there seems to be agreement that the claims in the article are weakly, if at all, supported with third-party sources. The keep arguments appear based on

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is. Him getting coverage before he even did anything is also another sign of notability, as he did in the 2 Black Belt Magazine sources. He also has two other wiki pages as well.

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All of these articles are highly improper and essentially prosified statistics. They never should have been created, and all of them should be deleted. We do not do articles on

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says that merge opinions "receive priority". "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Including trivia into the grapefruit article

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Growing a large grapefruit is perhaps notable, Guinness is not. You can pay them and they'll come to certify your record. Being featured in a non-notable book, is not notable.

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Caribbean Governance Training Institute, of which Bart appears to be both the founder and one of five people who work there. Again, no apparent notability to this organisation

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At the end of the day the article of South-Eastern Sydney was created over a decade ago for a reason and I've simplified all the valid reasons below as to why it's separate;

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Nevertheless, I definitely agree on the clean-up, considering that many statements are poorly (if at all) supported by the references and that there is suppression of the

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I Strongly agree to delete this page. Since its redundant and create confusion to the readers. The historical perspective can be added in the Main Article Ayya Vaikundar (

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profile. He semi-main evented important MMA shows. He was part of the arguably most famous MMA storyline ever with Sakuraba vs The Gracie Family. Also, The Gracies have

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Despite this page being considered for deletion, the anonymous author keeps trying to embed their concept of "South East Sydney" into other parts of Knowledge, such as

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No, it doesn't. The opinion of people believing that this doesn't even warrant a mention at "grapefruit" are just as valid as those preferring a merge, and nothing in

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states that it can be "invoked during deletion discussions to point out that an article has been significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion". Thanks,

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mention for instance comes from espn, but does not appear to offer us anything to work with? If we can't find more or better sources, then I would need to stay with

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Totally agree, also this might be off-topic I'm kind of surprised that this BLP article was marked as patrolled by an experienced new page patroller when it was in

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She's notable. The sources could have been better, but it's not worth removing. Perhaps some sort of template that encourages article improvement would make sense.

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notability. And indeed the issues of independence and one of my sources being a book review of a non-independent book that was produced about the event are correct.

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article describing this organisation's partner projects; some time later an IP added unsourced information / tributes to various individuals. I am not finding the

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I have come to the conclusion that merely stating that it is a regional TV station can be considered assertion of importance, so I am revising my opinion to Keep.

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Going a few steps ahead you are threatening such that I comply with something that actually is not correct, the importance would rely on you hearing what you like

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Yes, very good. That and some refs. This opinion and all other opinions that support a selective merge should be read as such, which receives priority also as an

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per Sandy, Airship and Bilby. Niche article of duplicate, to a minor degree, umbrella articles are neither unencyclopedic nor against summary style in being so.

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is 13,000 words of readable prose? With one sentence about Harvey. I don't know enough about the sport to understand what is driving the overall problem here.

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Not one of the above numerous links supplied by 203.49.228.129 actually defines which suburbs are part of "South East Sydney" nor provides a map of boundaries.

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It is too wordly simply because it should be. Because, the article is about a personality who is considered as the front-runner of all social reformations in

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I've never claimed it wasn't notable. If you think I should also post information about the previous record holder, I'd be up for it. Is that what you mean?

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Corporate Missions Inc., of which Bart appears to be both the owner and sole employee. There also does not appear to be any notability to this organisation

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what unique benefits this article -- as opposed to the other sixty-eight articles nominated for deletion on the same day -- confers to that population.

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Pretty obvious case. Well over 6000 citations, and a whole *19* publications citted more than 100 times. We have kept quite a lot of articles under

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The eastern suburbs are east of the Sydney CBD, the south-eastern suburbs are south-east of the Sydney CBD. There isn't much more to it than that.

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could well take a subsection on management software. Grotesquely, that subsection currently concerns itself exclusively with Canada - no idea how

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for this case (which is different than the others), and merging it back in will make an already long article even longer. Notability is met, and

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Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability

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because AFD is not a place for resolving such issues. If there is COI content the article should be cleaned to comply with editorial guidelines.

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courses). I appreciate the standard is subjective, but I can think of far more notable Ontario business professors for inclusion into Knowledge.

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Saying taking “this” to ANI means taking the entire issue of this deletion page to ANI that’s why I’m saying I didn’t do that because I did not

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If anyone tried the article would be back here and it'd be deleted. The only reason we have this one is because it was created a long time ago.

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links) which clearly states the eastern suburbs stretches to La Perouse. It's got nothing to do with demographics or where people like to shop.

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Non-independent sources should never be used to support claims of notability, but can with caution be used to fill in noncontroversial details.

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https://www.bolatimes.com/boladunia/2023/02/10/164500/profil-fiji-u-20-lawan-timnas-indonesia-u-20-di-turnamen-mini-jelang-piala-asia-u-20-2023

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If the article doesn't contain any info beyond that included in the PR package the club provides media, it is not intellectually independent.

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to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds the information - or presumably any wikiproject that takes responsibility for it.

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Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.

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per source analysis by Spiderone, though I think the Fijilive source is borderline acceptable (either way, that alone wouldn't satisfy GNG).

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Leaving it aside, Will you vote for an article TO BE DELETED on the ground that "it is over referenced"?! that too in lead section alone?! -

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I understand that, it was not intended as coercion, merely a suggestion/invitation, as it sounds like this could be an interesting article.

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If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability

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to a suitable list if one is available. This ensures that the attribution, sourcing and so on remain and is per the policy (not guideline)

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more crypto fluff, trying to meet GNG. Hardly even mentioned in anything that isn't a crypto blog or PR piece, long way from notability.

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was deemed notable enough to have its own article here. And he just happens to be from the most famous MMA family ever with his brother

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It occurred to me it might be a hoax, but as far as I can see the creator of the article is a good faith editor who might struggle with

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The Eastern Suburbs line was designed to terminate at Kingsford/Daceyville but was shortened to Bondi Junction due to budget constraints

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Brief announcement of departure from a club. No depth to the article and just a brief quote from the subject. No third party analysis.

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Reality Check: Women in Canada and the Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action Fifteen Years On, a Canadian Civil Society Response

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for a reason as their contributions to MMA are endless and you really do have to judge them as a whole than as judge individual parts.

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as well (sources 1, 3, 5 and weak for 4). For transparency, I am the AfC reviewer who accepted the draft and did so based on NPROF.

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COTTER, L. Cork Caucus: Where Do We Go from Here? Circa: Art Magazine, , n. 113, p. 56–61, 2005. DOI 10.2307/25564343. Disponível em:

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The problem with content forks is that they can easily multiply. Harvey went on 10 or so tours so we could have 10 articles like this

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much what we want to see from our new number 19". NZ Herald is the only half decent source provided which isn't enough to pass GNG.

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Fair enough. This is regulated by a navy exception. The global standard is better but rules are rules. Thanks for pointing to these!

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Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject

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from that. However, I think there might be more mileage in covering the various software solutions in context at an existing page (

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I think the article uses reliable sources, at the same time, it needs improvement to be a stronger article than just being a sub.

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We have this article from the Hamilton Spectator that talks about him and a few other professors that were dismissed at the time

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The most important thing is that, these two articles ARE NOT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ABOUT ONE PERSON TO MERGE BOTH OF THEM. -

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I thought other people should decide, but I personally think it should be merged into the main article for the Eastern Suburbs

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Wait. What? People think that's what makes someone encyclopedic? No. Neither the topic nor the sourcing make this acceptable.

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And such transactional announcements are rightfully excluded from contributing to GNG for being routine and non-independent.

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for one of his books, which Bart cites as evidence that he had a "number 1 bestselling business book of 2010 in Canada." The

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successful Revo Tech, Akhayar Media, which was established in 2016, was also able to achieve a high viewing rate in Myanmar.

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more likely to be searching for the musician. (There is also the boxer who was the subject of the prior deletion discussion

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are added, which given the timeframe of 0 in 12 years, is highly unlikely, and therefore the article should be deleted. --

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per sources below which show notability. Yes, it's all "look at this Mexican playing for Virgin Islands", but it's enough.

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He does not have an "ongoing international career". He played in one friendly against the development team of the semipro

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search, I noticed that there are mentions of this figure, but not in any way unfortunately that would constitute sigcov.

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per Fram and others - In general, world records about growing vegetables and fruits are not notable for an encyclopedia.

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https://amp.suara.com/bola/2023/02/10/174313/sepak-terjang-timnas-fiji-u-20-calon-lawan-timnas-indonesia-di-turnamen-mini

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There is a discussion of these conferences generally (including the Fourth World Conference on Women) at pp. 212-213 in

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not much mention in any sort of RS that discusses it at length. Could perhaps be a merge to the NZ Dairy Board article.

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Most of the sentences are compound and complex since they are condensed with information; This is normal in Knowledge.

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is notable, but the intersection absolutely is not. I was the nominator in both examples Mike Christie linked and the

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It is easy to verify notability using the wikipedia library. I've started article improvements and more will follow.

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The importance or notability of the Champions League final is hardly comparable to the Youth League final of course.

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the additional sources were posted, since the ones before hadn't seen them and haven't returned to comment on them.

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I did check first, if you look at my source analysis above, you can see I had found both of those sources already

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if this Featured article is merged, we will need to create a procedural FAR for the articlehistory bookkeeping. @

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is an ok piece in hyper-local news (Hawke's Bay Today): not enough on its own, especially given how local it is.

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is already at more than 11,100 words of readable prose. Separating out this one notable bit is a correct use of

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The majority of the sources would need to be removed if the article is kept as they are nowhere near to meeting

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https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=asu&AN=505147115&site=eds-live&scope=site

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (2nd nomination)

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Doug Ring with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (2nd nomination)

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Preserving the edit history should be preferable if at all possible. Even if we're preserving one sentence.

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As I said, there may need to be some page moving involved first. That may warrant a possible dab creation.

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I've looked over what's given and what is discussed above. Not the greatest, but it's just barely notable.

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exist, but this particular version of the article needs a complete rewrite before being encyclopedic, so

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per the source analysis above. It does not appear much has changed since the page was delete last time.

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Let me know what else is required to substantiate the significance of the software and prevent deletion.

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passes GNG, don't agree with analysis of above sources for fijilive.com, which I think is significant.--

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You are passionate about the subject, we understand. I'd simply let the process play out at this point.

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Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage

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References to some 190 published academic articles in which he's cited as a co-author, as confirmed by

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Here is a nice diagram from 1968 of the "Eastern Suburbs Railway" terminating at Kingsford/Daceyville.

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/List of first women's ice hockey internationals per country: 1987-1999

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We can and have deleted featured articles in the recent-ish past. Simply being an FA is not a shield.

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Articles for deletion/Neil Harvey with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (2nd nomination)

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and fellowship at CPA Ontario, of which few recipients have Knowledge articles for those awards alone

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It's not a promotional source, correct, but it's obviously non-independent as it's his employer. Per

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A reference to Knowledge policy is not a threat. It is an explanation of why the edit was reverted.

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place to add it without sources describing how this declaration impacted the Conference and/or the

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Not notable and, likely as a result of the sources, the article has a very promotional tone to it.

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is enough of a classic/cult classic that it has been written about consistently since its release:

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to Neil Harvey. Basically only the relevant parts of the "role" section should be merged, however.

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per nom, a youth tournament final does not require its own article. Information can be covered on

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needed to reflect the different perspectives which often goes mutually contradictory otherwise. -

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HJ Mitchell summed this up well. There is no reason to fragment the subject into another article.

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are citations for the LA Times, Huff Post, and Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Additionally while

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do not have to appear in the article. French version seems fine. More than will to believe that

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concerns do not apply when something is treated as a subtopic within an article). For example,

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agree with source assessment, this is promo. I don't find any mentions in RS for this person.

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The NZ Herald is the best, when combined with the other sources there's enough to satisfy me.

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