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the details of his comments, and invent meaningless techno-babble to describe the
Arbitration process and his frustrations with aspects of it. Unfortunately, I think it is the style of writing and communication which he learned as a young man and it is so ingrained in him that he is unable to recognize it, let alone change it. It means that his ability to communicate effectively in a discussion and content disagreement on Knowledge, where the majority of editors do not share the ground from which he draws his metaphors, is severely limited. The techno-babble he invents and insists on using, despite my efforts to tell him to stop using it, means that he actually clouds the issue he is discussing more than he enlightens it. The longer he writes using unknown metaphors and invented techno-babble, the more meaningless his comments become. I hate to be so harsh, but after reading his first email, I stopped reading past the first two sentences of subsequent emails. He fails to understand that other Knowledge editors will do exactly the same thing in any content dispute. While his expertise would be a great contribution to Knowledge, he is unable to communicate it to the typical Knowledge editor. Imagine going into battle with two weapons. One weapon will kill one enemy at a time, but has a single button that says, "Push to fire". The other weapon will kill all enemies at once, but has a 1,000-page instruction manual that details the history of the weapon's development, the academic qualifications of its makers, the theory behind its operation, and the instruction "Push the red button to fire" buried on page 739 in the middle of the page. Unfortunately, Tenmei wrote the latter instruction and I'm not certain that the writer who produced the 1,000-page instruction manual is capable of creating a sticker on the side of the weapon that says "Push to fire". To him, it's just not elegant or subtle or finely-honed enough; it carries none of the warnings or history or comparisons to classical warfare that decorate the verbiage of the manual. (
9622:, which is technically what would happen on the talk page once people had been alerted at the WikiProject? In practice, such discussions tend to overlap between WikiProject talk pages and article talk pages. There may, for instance, be editors who would prefer to post at the article talk page rather than participate in a discussion at WT:POLAND. We shouldn't encourage long discussions about improvements to specific articles when there are other venues better suited to that (article talk pages and deletion discussions, to name just two). I have no objection to WT:POLAND being used to flag up articles that need attention, or for general discussions there about groups of articles within that WikiProject's scope, and I have no objection to Piotrus carrying out administrative tasks on all and any WP:POLAND pages and subpages (including initial postings pointing out problems for others to fix), but I'm wary of discussions getting out of hand and also wary of allowing user talk page postings as if would be better for Piotrus to get others involved in that side of things (delivery notices and welcome notices and invitations to join, etc). For now, I will support, and trust Piotrus to back off in certain areas if things appear to be getting out of hand. We do also need to answer his questions about other namespaces, and be more explicit about other pages and subpages of WP:POLAND.
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it. There's no need to act as if we're children here, Risker. Tenmei is obviously willing to work with us and we're willing to work with him on this issue. Tenmei has complied with every little nit-picky thing you've come up with, and yet you still keep throwing out more that he must do. There's a limit to how many hoops you should make someone jump through when they are going above and beyond to show they are willing to improve. Do you want something signed in blood to prove it? Sorry if I sound a bit miffed here, but I believe this is another case where ArbCom is going far beyond the bounds of what they are supposed to do. Perhaps it's time you started assuming a little good faith on the part of those who've offered to help rather than giving us all the third degree and acting as if we're all idiots who don't know how to work here. We've all been here for a long time, and have a proven track record showing we know how things work and how to interact, so posing these "Duh" questions is pointless and makes it appears as if you believe we don't have the experience we do. ···
9214:, I understand that asking for edits on a private foras or responding to such requests should be avoided. As you can see from my edits during the case and this year (that adds up to about half a year of active editing now), I edit in a peaceful manner that isn't raising any issues. I am not sure how I can give you something other than words, since the intended edits have not been done yet, for obvious reasons (and it is a bit hard to demonstrate the lack of controversial edits/issues, see, my proof of that is here: ). Perhaps the best proof of this is that no editor commenting on this motion so far has been able to present a single problematic post-artbitration start diff. You are welcome to review my recent edits in other en Wiki areas (or projects); I can also list some of the edits I'd like to propose for project member consideration here (but I want to make sure that would be ok with you, I don't want it to be seen as an attempt to evade the restriction). Also, as Malik noted, a list of things that should be done, isn't and that I intend to do is
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but it is important to keep matters like that at arm's length and to work through the three editors named in the motion. On the same topic, moving edit history between namespace and projects is technically correct, but it can cause confusion when people try and work out later what happened (when edits are moved from userspace or other projects to mainspace, it can give the impression that material was present in mainspace on a particular date, when in fact it wasn't - and the transwiki logs don't really seem to be very visible). About the sandbox edits, I see now that it was all housekeeping and moving stuff around - thanks for clearing that up.
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fully prepared to resume my uncontroversial wikignoming activities by working within the WikiProject namespace as outlined in the proposed motion. Despite good faithed efforts by some editors, there are many tasks that have not been carried out, with the detrimental effect for the project (and
Knowledge in general - from low recruitment of new members to low levels of copyediting activity). I feel I can resume doing them uncontroversially as I have been doing for the past several years (for that WikiProject, and as I've been doing for others, such as WikiProject Sociology and the Schools and Universities WikiProject).
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I see the logic of a gradual return in some areas. Please be crystal-clear as to what you can and can't do, and if you request a further review at the 6-month mark, your activities between now and then will be taken into account. It is entirely possible that some restrictions will remain in place for the whole year of the initial topic ban. Before I support, I have a few questions arising from a brief look-through I did for your contributions over the past 4 months. (1) Can you confirm that the article space edits during the period of the 3-month ban were due to content edited elsewhere and imported here? (
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reasons, but I actually considered this one - purely based on (what appears to be) Tenmei's determination and enthusiasm on trying to make this work somehow. This matter should be dealt with efficiently because any stalling or inefficiency is likely to affect Tenmei's determination/enthusiasm/faith, which will have a direct effect on the generous users who are willing and able to spend their time on/with Tenmei (which will of course affect the prospects of any system working). It took far longer for him to try to devise a system than it does to read his thoughts, ask
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apologies" that we did have before, not wikilawering or beating around the bushes, but straightforward admition by the sanctioned party that it understands why it was sanctioned, and admits that its actions such as 'tag team' edit-warring, abuse of dispute resolution processes, proxying for blocked user and encouraging and advising other
Knowledge editors to circumvent Knowledge policies were disruptive, harmed Knowledge’s integrity and will never be repeated again. Without such statement any motion to ease these sanctions should not even be considered.
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itself, but rather the 24-hour block, with the violation of the 1RR being merely the necessary evidence that the user "seriously fails to adhere to... normal editorial process". This is obviously not a particularly intuitive reading of the provisions—but, on the other hand, the time that has elapsed without
Moreschi's interpretation being challenged suggests that it is one found useful by the community. The real question, I suppose, is whether we should modify the DS provisions to explicitly allow such sanctions; comments on that would be appreciated.
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overuse of 1RR restrictions, but only use where it is needed (similarly, articles with discretionary sanctions on them should be periodically reviewed to see if the sanctions have served their purpose and how to move forward, as the intention was never to have discretionary sanction in place indefinitely, but more to have them in place until an article of a reasonable standard gets written, which is the true ultimate goal). If an article reaches a good standard (e.g. featured), and is still subject to problems, then a different process is needed there.
8453:)). The period of mentorship will last six months from the date on which this motion passes, although it may be extended with the agreement of Tenmei and one or more mentors. Tenmei is strongly encouraged to seek advice and guidance from his mentors regularly. Should they deem it necessary, Tenmei's mentors may return to the Arbitration Committee for clarification of any editing restrictions or questions with respect to the terms of mentorship. Editors who come into conflict with Tenmei are advised to contact the mentor(s) either publicly or via email.
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written constitution in order to guide our actions so that our swords are not cutting one another rather than the orcs around us. Nihonjoe is right on the money. We'll work like reasonably intelligent adult human beings and resolve the differences in the true
Knowledge manner--by working toward consensus. (As a note, I don't know where Risker's questions are--he didn't bother to put them in a separate subsection here so that I don't waste my time trying to hack through the jungle. I just used Nihonjoe's summary of them above.)
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mentors, and I do not believe that anyone involved was really satisfied with the situation. One mentor would advise the editor to do X, and another mentor would disagree and say that Y was the right course, for example; or Mentor C would identify behaviour as blockable, while Mentor D thought it was a perfectly reasonable response. I can live with the idea of mentors returning to this board for clarification (and hope that we will be somewhat more responsive), but it's important to understand how this large a team will work
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more complex and formal, involving discussing things with the other mentors and agreeing with them before deciding whether any particular action can receive our approval. Basically, it sounds like it's getting too bureaucratic to me, and as I don't have as much time to spend on
Knowledge as I used to anyway, I think I have to drop out. Sorry Tenmei - I hope you're able to work something out here and reach a universally acceptable solution that will allow you to return to editing, but I don't think I'm able to be part of it.
9315:"Can Varsovian provide a single instance where these amendments were used to "game the system"? No? Then don't make empty and false accusations." No I can not. But I can provide examples of using a host of techniques to degrade the project which were used by the members of EEML. Which one would Radek like me to point out first? It would be highly amusing to be lectured by Radek about things which one should not do with WP, if it wasn't so sad that he clearly has learned nothing from the EEML experience.
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early because the banned person has shown they've truly learned from what got them banned, realizes what caused it in the first place, and has shown they won't repeat those behaviors. All too often some banned person lobbies for an unban, gets it, and goes right back to their old ways. While I appreciate that some things in the Poland topic aren't getting done, I can also appreciate Risker's concerns. I'm read your statement above, but I need to see more, not just words. Can you elaborate?
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6655:: ... When I agreed to be a mentor, I assumed it would be a fairly simple task, a matter of overseeing Tenmei's edits, giving him occasional advice, and helping him to resolve disputes (or, ideally, avoid getting into them in the first place). It looks now that it would be something more complex and formal, involving discussing things with the other mentors and agreeing with them before deciding whether any particular action can receive our approval.
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process of recovery. The
Project Poland has been virtually dormant since the New Years, with only rudimentary maintenance and peripheral activities taking place. Poland–related DYKs have all but vanished from the front page of Knowledge since last year. Naturally, Piotrus is not going to make up for all the loses endured by the Project, but his own prior devotion to this portal would be a good place to gradually start rebuilding. --
7723:(Sorry, turning humor off.) Seriously, I think those of us who have been here a while all feel the same way; we want to work things out to make Knowledge better, and helping an editor become a better contributor does just that. My talk page is always open, and I try to respond to each and every message as quickly as I can. Consensus will hopefully be easy to reach as this process advances, but if it doesn't, we'll work it out.
6959:" in an article about Central Asia in the 7th-8th century in order to undercut a dispute in an article about China in the 12th-13th centuries; and the article has been continually attacked by those intending to affect current affairs by re-writing history. This perverts my ability to conribute to an article about a relatively minor topic; and it became increasingly difficult to follow on a coherent thread of reason.... --
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with others. Bombarding users with philosophical metaphors is not very helpful. I'm eager to assist because what I see in Tenmei is something I see in myself ... that is, I find myself in real life trying to provide all the possible information I can, instead of just what the requester asked for. I think, in time, we'll both learn something during this process, and that appeals to me.
9257:. 3) Yes, but ON POLISH WIKIPEDIA, on the aforementioned page. It was and is my understanding that this is acceptable, see also my following reply. 4) It is my understanding that the original motion included my en Knowledge userspace, but not any space on projects other than en Knowledge. I believe that Coren's motion makes it clear that this motions concerns only the
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they are, they should most certainly not have anything to do with process discussion, or even nominating articles for AfD. There would also need to be a narrow section of articles that he would be allowed to edit for maintenance - e.g. anything relating to Poland and it's interactions with other countries should definitely be off limits for the full twelve months. --
3374:. The "public" mentors are identified on this "Alerts" page. Links to their talk pages and links to e-mail are posted. Instructions about how to use this alternate venue are provided; and a suggested format is offered for those who may want to make use of it. Principles and remedies adduced in Tang Dynasty are made specific and tangible in this on-wiki venue.
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processes that are the basis of this request; they are tasks that any editor could carry out if s/he felt it was worthwhile. Without a compelling reason to make an exception in this case, I continue to oppose. Nonetheless, as this motion is passing, I will take this opportunity to note that this is a very limiting restriction and that
Piotrus may make comments
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Exercise of article-based 1-RR sanctions need to be monitored closely; I have seen uninvolved, legitimate editors who arrive at an article to make perfectly normal copy-edit improvements be threatened with blocks (and even, in at least one case, actually blocked) because they didn't read the talk page in advance of editing and weren't aware of the sanction.
10151:) is prohibited from editing articles relating to the Mongol Empire, the Crusades, intersections between Crusader states and the Mongol Empire, and Hellenistic India—all broadly defined. This topic ban will last for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion.
3142:"I think Wikisource can be of assistance here as a scratch pad to record the sources and translations. Wikisource has an Author page ... here are no limitations on the amount of detail that can be recorded on Wikisource Author pages ... if no public domain translation is available, a collaborative translation can be created on English Wikisource." —
6943:, real-world factions have vied for control, turning it into a polemical battleground. In the venue which evolved before my eyes, long-term warriors have proven to be toxic. Under "battlefield" conditions as I encountered them, academic integrity becomes an all-encompassing priority. Any other course of action undercuts the
9161:, where he runs his own sociology project every term - and expanded the perspectives of this part of the wikipedia. he is trusted there as well as on the real life aspects of this matter and so i would be pleased if it would be possible to give him the chance to run a SUP-project of his own again, best regards --
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resulted in the sourcing of 150+ unsourced BLPs, a clear benefit to the encyclopedia. Can
Varsovian provide a single instance where these amendments were used to "game the system"? No? Then don't make empty and false accusations. That kind of thing reflects badly on a person, on Knowledge and in general.
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bit of the motion - such discussions can take place on wikiproject talk pages if the discussion is general and about a group of article, but specific discussions about improving an article should really take place on the article talk page (so others can see it in future). It might be simpler to amend
9584:
To answer your questions, I would say limited posting in user talk space may be OK, but I had envisaged you being more able to do administrative tasks for WikiProject Poland, rather than extensively discussing things. For example, if a deletion discussion was mentioned, you taking part in a thread at
9368:
Because of the heinous nature of
Piotrus' violations of the spirit of Knowledge policies and practices, and because of the non-existence of any acknowledgement of wrong-doing, I would prefer to see that he serve at least 6 months of his topic ban before any such requests are considered. And even when
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I did not want to comment earlier as I wanted to avoid influencing the discussion. I feel that the experienced members of the WikiProject Poland who commented above summed the situation quite clearly and that they are aware of my past and present commitment to the project. To sum it up, shortly, I am
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and Poland's broader geographic and historic milieu. Had Piotrus never written an article himself — and he has doubtless been one of the most productive editors on these and other subjects — his role in the cleaning-up of existing articles would still have made him one of the most productive editors
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of articles related to Poland. For example, he monitored newly-created Poland-related articles and, where appropriate, added applicable clean-up tags (including nominating them for deletion when necessary), nominated them for DYK, and invited their creators to the WikiProject. (A fairly complete list
8304:
I am not entirely convinced that allowing Tenmei to return to editing would be a positive, especially given the comments he's made here. However, if the mentors are certain that they would be able to make a positive difference here, I'm willing to give it a shot. I'd need to see responses from all of
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Tenmei, I'm supportive of you resuming editing with mentors, but please be patient and wait for other arbitrators and those willing to mentor you to respond here. I realise it must be frustrating for you, but if you wait just a little bit longer and let others speak, then we may finally get something
8180:
I note the comments of a few of the editors approached to act as mentors. I would like to know (a) how you will address differences amongst yourselves (a situation we have encountered in other mentoring situations); (b) what range of actions you are willing to undertake as individuals and as a group;
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As an individual, I am willing to be an advisor to Tenmei, but I will not force him to follow what I say, as should he thinks what I say is not the best way, I cannot do much to force him to "obey" me. Tenmei should be unlikely to get into an argument, but should he do, I am willing to be a mediator,
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Despite some prior discussion with Tenmei about being a mentor, I chose not to be in this group because i thought the process more complicated than necessary, and there were already quite enough other people. But I can't see any objections if Tenmai wants to try it, since there are willing mentors of
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Whether viewed from the starting point over a year ago, or construed in the terms of this one thread, I have undoubtedly satisfied whatever anyone might mean by "'give it some time' before immersing yourself in a difficult environment again." Arguably, the effort to locate mentors and their comments
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No one has volunteered to investigate the conceptual flaws in ArbCom's terminology nor in devising flexible mentoring group structures; rather, each has expressed a willingness to invest a limited amount of time in helping me improve how I participate in our encyclopedia-building project. I construe
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I think the matter in hand here has been clarified (the 1RR restriction is valid) and that arbitrators can discuss amending the boilerplate the next time this comes up. I agree that 1RR is useful sometimes, but like Risker I am wary of it being misused and used heavy-handedly. We shouldn't encourage
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I would like to know then upon what ground the current ban extension (for a 3rd year!) would be legitimate. In the time period since my previous ban ended and Elonka again asked for editing restrictions against me (2 weeks, from February 2nd to February 16th) I believe my editorial behavior has been
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Piotrus, your user page needs fixing so people can click on your contributions link. I had to access that log a different way because of the floating thing obscuring the sides of the page. Like Risker, I think waiting for the 6-month mark would have been better, but I will support the motion because
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last week or so (it is my understanding transwiki is the proper way to preserve edit history for copyright and attribution) from my Polish Knowledge sandbox (the link to which I send to ArbCom months ago, and this is the same place I developed my Lech Wałesa article from the previous passed motion).
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I'm a bit confused by SirFozzie's vote. From what I gather, the reasoning that because it has taken such a long time and all this effort to get to this point, that the mentorship is going to be a failure because that process will resemble what has occurred here? I haven't seen anything on our part
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Per request, I've taken the time to review the posed questions and provide my answers, as well as my general understanding of the situation. First of all, I believe that Tenmei has the basics of becoming a good Knowledge editor. However, one skill in which Tenmei needs assistance is in collaboration
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It has been said that Knowledge too easily devolves into a MMORPG. These arbitration actions seem to cross the line more easily than other Knowledge activities. Risker's questions imply that the mentorship group needs fixed rules for interactions with marauding barbarians and some kind of definite
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Again, I think you're making this far more complicated than it needs to be, Risker. If Tenmei is receiving "private" advice, then he's receiving private advice and it's not likely we'll know about it unless it's posted on the site somewhere. If there's an issue we need to discuss, then we'll discuss
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asked specifically, "How available will ... co-mentors need to be?" My response summarizes a fundamental assumption: "I anticipate that everyone's availability will vary and that the interest in issues which arise will also vary. To the extent that I can exert control over any situation, I project
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In principle, it's possible to create an article-level 1RR restriction from a literal reading of the provisions for discretionary sanctions, if we assume (a) that the editnotice on the article constitutes a sufficient warning as required by ¶2, and (b) that the sanction being imposed is not the 1RR
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To answer one of Piotrus's specific questions: my view is that if someone posts to your user talk about something in this topic area, you should avoid initiating a discussion there, and instead direct them to the talk page of WikiProject Poland where you should raise the issue for them if necessary
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and I think it would be best if you asked the three editors listed there to deal with things like this for you, rather than you doing it yourself or making requests yourself (or you could ask for Graham87 to be added to those listed at the motion). It may seem like unneeded layers of communication,
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Thanks for the reply and explanations, Piotrus. The floating stuff on your user talk page (I meant user talk, not user page) does give me a small window to access the sidebar (where your contribs link is), but it is still not ideal. It's not strictly to do with arbitration, but if you could try and
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I can only confirm that Piotrus housekeeping tasks related Poland-related articles are missed now. Besides, Piotrus used to do an outstanding job indirectly motivating other editors to improve the quality of the project articles, and this is missed too. It seems that the proposed amendment can only
8899:
I hereby request an amendment to Piotrus's topic ban in order that he may once again perform these housekeeping tasks and post messages to WikiProject Poland to inform other editors about such tasks. Piotrus would be strictly prohibited from editing the content of any Poland-related articles except
8330:
As an extension to Risker's question C, would you be willing to identify these private mentors to your public mentors, so that if there is some disagreement between the two, the public mentors may contact them for discussion? Risker's questions address disunion amongst your public mentors, but when
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Tenmei, if you want DGG to comment here, by all means invite him to do so. As for your comments about "raising the bar", it is not unreasonable for us to ask the possible mentors to lay out here what they see as their role in all this. I count, so far, Doc James and Kraftlos (of those you list) and
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Considering how much of a collaborative effort Knowledge is, let alone this particular ArbCom action, I see no reason to think that any differences amongst the mentors would be handled any differently than any other difference in opinion on the project ... by edit warring, revert frenzies and such.
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I'll keep this brief. When I agreed to be a mentor, I assumed it would be a fairly simple task, a matter of overseeing Tenmei's edits, giving him occasional advice, and helping him to resolve disputes (or, ideally, avoid getting into them in the first place). It looks now that it would be something
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When I was first approached by Tenmei to be a volunteer mentor, I made it clear what I thought his problem with communication was. I severely critiqued several of his posts, but while he made them shorter, he still continued to wander off into meaningless metaphor, cut an excessively fine point to
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My position is similar to DGG with one exception that my reason for not being directly in the group is not because of the complexity, but rather because of uenxpected periods of inactivity that are forthcoming. I have to note that I have flatly declined mentorship invitations by others without such
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I think for starter Tenmei should be allowed to edit in topic areas far removed from what his arb com revolved around. Preferable I would like too see him expand what type of work he does but of course we are all volunteers and no one really has any binding obligation. To give all a heads up I am
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Less timidity in addressing issues related to contents (POV warring, tag teams, academic dishonesty). While it is appropriate that the Committee never rules on contents, it should be more active at curtailing content disputes. Academic integrity should become a priority; unlike "simple" incivility,
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Provisional support, pending discussions above regarding other namespaces and other pages and subpages of WikiProject Poland, and urging Piotrus to be wary of engaging in long discussions on the WikiProject talk page that should properly take place elsewhere. If the discussion venue moves, he will
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Tenmei, I have noted your response to me above; however, I would really like to hear from your own mentors how they will address, at the minimum, differences amongst themselves. I was observant of the challenges and issues that arose out of some previous mentorships where there was a large team of
7578:
This seems to me that Risker is assuming we're all idiots here (that's the impression I get from the tone of these questions). As with everything else on Knowledge, if I have a concern or disagreement I'll discuss it with anyone involved. Not sure if you're looking for something else here, Risker,
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I'm willing to help Tenmei learn to be concise when posting comments. Based on my observations, he has a tendency to be excessively wordy in his posts, which in turn lends itself to people having a tl;dr reaction to his posts. As long as there are several people on this "mentorship committee", I'm
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asserts, "We have serious content problems, but they to a considerable extent are inseparable from the inherent problems of any project like ours that operates without editorial control: the need for truly competent referencing, for understandable writing, for balance in coverage between and among
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I'd like to see at least six months pass before moving toward the gradual return to editing (mid-June at earliest), and I note that Piotrus has not commented or made this request, despite being notified of this request for amendment. I am not comfortable approving this change without hearing from
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is clearly housekeeping, but can you understand that creating a page that looks like draft notes touching on Eastern European topics (it looks like that from what I've read of the page) might be considered borderline activity in the topic area? (3) Would you intend to continue article draft/notes
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For Piotrus: You were banned totally 3 months (ending a month ago) and topic banned 1 year; only 1/3 of that time has passed. I also recalled how hard you lobbied for those things not to happen. Bans aren't ended early because no one has filled on what the banned person used to do. Bans are ended
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Given the long history of off-wiki games, disruptive coordination to circumvent Knowledge policies, tag-teaming, stealth canvassing etc. any attempt to ease any sanctions should begin with a full acknowledgement of guilt by the sanctioned party. And by full acknowledgement I mean not "non-apology
9062:
It only hurts Knowledge by not considering this request. Piotrus appears to have broken the rules and some form of punishment was warranted. Stopping Piotrus adding content and discussing articles on central and eastern European issues maybe fair but taking part in “uncontroversial housekeeping
7774:
I have to agree with the others who have commented here. This is simply us checking in on Tenmei and trying to keep him going in a positive direction. I know you guys were expecting some sort of formal process here, but to me that seems counterproductive. I imagine any of us can comment on his
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6) Editors should use their best efforts to communicate with one another, particular when disputes arise. When an editor's input is consistently unclear or difficult to follow, the merits of his or her position may not be fully understood by those reading the communication. An editor's failure to
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As it has been said above, Piotrus took significant role to create and improve hundreds of Poland and European related articles. Many of them became articles with the highest Knowledge standards what can be seen by numerous of DYKs, Featured, A-Class and Good articles. I totally agree with Malik
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4) These previous "can I just do this thing" amendments - I believe this is a reference to my two amendments. I would like to point out that both of these amendments passed off without a hitch, without controversy, without any harm to anyone, without breaking of any rules. At the same time they
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E. ur interest is not in criticizing you but finding ways to enable you to better edit the encyclopedia. There is a general view that when you get into editing conflicts that your communication style makes it difficult for you to work through the issue. Our goal is to assist you in working that
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E. ur interest is not in criticizing you but finding ways to enable you to better edit the encyclopedia. There is a general view that when you get into editing conflicts that your communication style makes it difficult for you to work through the issue. Our goal is to assist you in working that
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Remedy 9, "Editors who come into conflict") These complementary remedies mirror a unique principle -- that "ditors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help ... in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute
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which those who were very deservingly banned as a result of the EEML affair can engage themselves. I’d ask why we see this constant stream of ‘can I just do this thing? It’s completely uncontroversial’ requests but we know why: these people are expert at gaming the system. Banned means banned.
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Time flies. The month of April is already getting close to an end. Piotrus is going to return to full time editing in several months, regardless of any amendments to EEML. I ask. Why not allow him to return to his area of expertise one step at a time, and, take on noncontroversial tasks in the
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tasks” seems unnecessary. In olden days, prisons were for punishment. In these more enlighten days rehabilitation is the goal. Why not consider this? If Piotrus breaks the rules then increase the length of ban but stopping him doing house keeping others can’t be bothered doing seems wrong.
5850:
Increased transparency in the arbitration process, the Arbitrators must explain their decisions in better detail beyond a simple "aye/nay" and expose their reasoning and justification. It is important that the community understands why the Committee rules as it does, not just receive seemingly
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The current solution seems to be working fine, and I believe Kirill's interpretation is appropriate under the circumstances. While my preference is generally to attach sanctions to users rather than articles, in some cases an article can be such an attractive nuisance that this is necessary.
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Noting that I have read Piotrus' comments above. My general rule of thumb is that half the sanction period should be served before major changes; that would occur in June. I'm not seeing any reason that would compel me to believe that Piotrus is the only person who is capable to carry out the
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them to Risker's questions, though, and that hasn't happened. I'd also like to know what efforts you (the mentors) will each make to ensure that Tenmei is continuing to be monitored in times of your absence; should several of you be temporarily inactive at the same time, what is your plan B?
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Carc, the reason this was proposed for WT:POLAND as opposed to the talk page is twofold: (a) it makes it centralized, and therefore easily monitorable, and (b) raising issues about an article needing attention on its talkpage is rather futile since it would not be seen by new editors.
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Tenmei, is it your plan for all of these people to be your mentors, or are you presenting a range of options in the hopes that ArbCom will designate which are acceptable? As well, your concision is appreciated, but there is no need to post word counts along with each of your comments.
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WT:POLAND discussing the article would be similar to taking part in the actual deletion discussion. And if people start !voting in deletion discussions saying "per Piotrus on WT:POLAND" that would be bad. I'm going to have to think about this some more. I'm also not happy with the
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supporting the information presented." (Principle 3, "Reliability and verifiability of sources") In the same way that "t is not the role of the Arbitration Committee to settle good-faith content disputes among editors," neither is this an arguable burden of the mentors group.
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is disputing the fact that Moreschi had the authority to do so, as he believes that discretionary sanctions were meant to be applied per-editor and not per-article. I request that the Arbitration Committee please clarify if Moreschi's action was appropriate and enforceable.
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people involved with WP:Poland made this request - hence they must think Piotrus' work would be very helpful. I'm sure Piotrus could involve himself in WikiProject Small Purple Rodents or whatever but he'd probably be pretty bad at it. He has lots of experience in
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has a number of members but it is the number willing to do the work that is important. A few of us tried to cover for Piotrus. It is our failure that resulted in this request as without Piotrus help the backlog of outstanding tasks is only going to increase.
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the topic ban to allow editing in all namespaces except article space, and possibly to include a prohibition from participation at AfD, and to trust you to avoid contentious discussions. Either that, or to strictly limit it to the WikiProject pages
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that they should direct their questions to WT:POLAND and 3) (after the motion passes) tell them that I've replied to their question there? (As all of those involve edits in a different namespace than this motions concerns, i.e. user talk namespace)
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case, please let me refresh your memory of what I presented as context for narrow questions about how to deflect straw man arguments by re-asserting core policies and the importance of academic credibility in our Knowledge project. I explained
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this after he was consistently making a thousand a month. I would recommend he resume editing slowly so that we may have time to adjust or edit a different topic areas. Will be happy to look at concerns. I do not believe a formal process is
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in other articles until effective counter-measures can be contrived. On the basis of my editing experience, this is not an isolated incident. The specifics are limited to the article and parties here; and the ambit of this dispute is also
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editing habits, and if needed we can ask the other mentors for opinions. This isn't rocket science. I think Tenmei's editing has been held up for too long, the only way he is going to learn is through practice. So what is this:
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I as well have volunteered to provide some oversight. Arbcom said that he is topic banned, does that mean he can contribute to those areas while under oversight, or does it simply mean he needs to be observed in all his edits?
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see whether that can be fixed it would be good - people shouldn't really have to scroll around and having floating stuff killing other links is not good, though whether it is my set up or the floating thing, I don't know. About
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responsibilities here, except for playing by the (few) rules. The list MS linked are not Piotrus' responsibilities, but a list of optional, volunteer maintenance tasks that may be performed by anyone. MS's assumption that
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intruded unexpectedly again and again. This bigger problem cannot be resolved with this case, but at least ArbCom is now expressly alerted to the existence of a pernicious metastasis which will continue
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that no issue involving me will be limited or burdened with time constraints. I predict that, in general, only one or two at any one time will be involved in any one issue/dispute/event/topic, etc."
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that has caused this to be delayed as much as it has been. What exactly was your problem with this proposal and what do you think needs to changed? --
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This can't move forward until Risker's questions above are answered. Could a clerk please notify the editors who need to comment here. Thanks.
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1) Knowledge is no place for personal vendettas. Actually, that kind of thing reflects badly on a person in general, here or elsewhere.
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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This thoughtful analysis also informs my point-of-view about the kinds of issues which are likely to arise in mentorship.
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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How are the volunteer mentors and others in the community expected to construe this thread? What are you going to do? --
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and mere mistakes; however, we cannot reject the relevance of unstated assumptions which produce unintended consequences.
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I am willing to see this tried, and will hold off on further comment until we see how it works out.
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Please remember that I am not the only mentor, so I am only speaking for myself.
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leaving reasonable computer access on March 16th and not back until April 11th.
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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please explain it to those who have volunteered to explain such things to me
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exasperated at those who would prevent me and the others from improving it.
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Tenmei is a sincere, intelligent editor who wants the best for Knowledge.
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But I agree that we should hammer something out before we move forwards.
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This is truly harmful when it is perceived as discouraging by others. --
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I'm continuing to provide Tenmei with advice by email as I had offered
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of volunteer mentors has been subjected to a needless form of abuse. --
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no persecution, and your repeated appeals are playing against you. —
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There being 16 arbitrators, 6 of whom are inactive, the majority is 6.
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are comprehensive and clear. This provides a context for what follows:
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are comprehensive and clear. This provides a context for what follows:
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Nope. Maybe we need to extend this to talk pages too or a total ban.
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to step forward; and this modest achievement was undermined. ArbCom
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for the types of uncontroversial maintenance edits mentioned above.
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Tenmei takes personal offense too easily to the Arbitration process.
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In a context ArbCom has created, it is seemly to adopt the words of
3279:'s background in East Asian matters may be helpful for the mentors.
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Malik Shabazz based this request on his co-project member Jniech's
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used to perform a number of uncontroversial housekeeping tasks for
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by presenting my responsive comments in the following table format:
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is sufficient, good. If not, what alternative action is preferred?
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50 historians describing the existence of a Franco-Mongol alliance
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Mentorship Committee – for issues requiring mentors' involvement,
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is not a "novel theory" nor a "pet theory" of mine as claimed by
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In my previous Amendment Request, I documented the fact that the
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I'll post a proposed motion in that direction sometime today. —
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D. You need to focus on changing the things that you can change.
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In part, mentorship was proposed by ArbCom as a remedy because,
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D. You need to focus on changing the things that you can change.
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In part, mentorship was proposed by ArbCom as a remedy because,
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The arc of this case serves only to illustrate the relevance of
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Request to amend prior case: Franco-Mongol alliance (May 2010)
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Now is the time to let these volunteer mentors get to work.
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a limit to how many hoops you should make someone jump through
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him, or his plans for editing and contributing in this area.
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Those who doubt that there is a need only has to monitor the
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See below for proposed modification and alternative proposal.
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Continued inaction does not mitigate the consequences of the
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in addition to this, Nihonjoe and Coppertwig. The layout at
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in this thread was progress along "the right path" and yet,
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Each member of the Arbitration Committee should to construe
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Now is the time to let these volunteer mentors get to work.
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or here, good. If not, what alternative action is preferred?
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Confirmation that the above users are aware of this request
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Confirmation that the above users are aware of this request
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6421:? What purpose is served by the context your diffs create?
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wrote in 2008, or they may have forgotten. I have adopted
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legitimate concerns and questions which remain unaddressed
4111:"if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
3812:"if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
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Principle 1, "Purpose of Knowledge") This means that "the
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Best regards to all and thank you for your understanding.
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and other stuff to do with the imports, I've reviewed the
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Tenmei seems to be knowledgeable in his field of interest.
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I am willing to assisst Tenmei in oversighting his edits.
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What I think is truly harmful is anything that discourages
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In case these words are otherwise overlooked, I echo what
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Willing to give this a shot and see how it goes forward.
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being followed here; we try not to contradict each other.
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of problems affecting unrelated editors and articles." --
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of the article and our collaborative wiki-encyclopedia.
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Cumulative "difficulties" are primarily ArbCom-contrived
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hypothetical issues is divorced from anything to do with
4221:• "Yes" to investing limited time in meaningful activity
2275:"would be happiest if there were others involved as well"
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We mentors try to keep him going in a positive direction
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6099:"...considering the difficulties to get to this point."
4214:• "No" to fixing conceptual flaws in ArbCom terminology
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The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
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Knowledge:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2
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List of users affected by or involved in this amendment
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List of users affected by or involved in this amendment
6778:. This begs a number of questions only you can answer.
6229:. This begs a number of questions only you can answer.
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when a mentor is located and approved by the Committee
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As a first step towards gradual return to editing. —
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these tasks have not been performed for several months
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Tenmei has not made an article edit for three months
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simple planning to work through issues as they arise
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In this explicit context, words from the userpage of
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According to the Knowledge article about the phrase "
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WPPoland has 30+ active and 30+ semi-active members
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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re-defining problem set to match available tools is
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
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is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
10435:Altogether, I must have done about 20 edits to the
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7423:high editing quality and proven responsibility.
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as if it were my own. I believe that ArbCom needs:
4692:. Please do not forget that volunteer mentors need
2559:is indistinguishable from punishment; and I'm left
2343:Another relevant factor is suggested by threads at
9341:2) The existence of other projects is irrelevant.
5458:. I need to return to editing. No less important,
1669:ArbCom "approval" or confirmation is anticipated.
8997:" is false. As any editor, Piotrus does not have
6949:Although Issues 1-3 stand on their own, they have
3032:Principle 5, "Role of the Arbitration Committee")
2313:Anticipating time constraints and other burdens,
10392:). This request was rejected on the ground that
9916:See my stmt in the arb section. Holding for now.
9295:I entirely agree with M.K. There are at least a
3729:A. ArbCom told me to locate a mentor or mentors.
1402:Relevant excerpts from amended remedies include:
10315:(ArbCom-assigned mentor of Per Honor et Gloria)
9413:Awaiting further statements before commenting.
8457:Knowledge:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty
6044:"...not sure any mentorship program will work"
3739:Yes — the volunteers are ready to do just that.
3203:to assist the mentors as needed. An anonymous
3153:-speaking editor who would help been found?" —
5730:Your disheartening comment demands a response.
4249:-- which means paying attention to a changing
4216:• "No" to devising ArbCom mentoring structures
3837:-- which means paying attention to a changing
10459:To use Elonka's own words, I tend to remain "
1545:Passed 8 to 0, 02:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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10680:Agreed, PHG needs to take a step back here.
8877:of his former responsibilities can be found
8620:Request to amend prior case: EEML (May 2010)
5001:The term is often used in business to imply
2686:were created as a result of his suggestions.
1868:The term is often used in business to imply
10529:The lifting of my editing restrictions on "
9350:area and that is where his help is needed.
4168:Knowledge:Mentorship#Involuntary mentorship
3984:which is inapposite in this unique case. --
3823:Knowledge:Mentorship#Involuntary mentorship
10125:Clauses to which an amendment is requested
8712:Clauses to which an amendment is requested
7713:Now, as to the questions posed by Risker:
5136:I joined Knowledge do improve its quality.
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7998:Is arbcomm waiting for anything further?
7636:Here is my take on the situation so far.
6021:which is inapposite in this unique case.
5020:which is inapposite in this unique case.
4644:which is inapposite in this unique case.
3859:'s three questions and any corollaries:
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8455:Tenmei is reminded of the remedies from
8139:This looks to be at least worth a shot.
6682:snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
6665:'s words as a justifiable criticism of
6133:snatches defeat from the jaws of victory
6088:snatches defeat from the jaws of victory
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5157:I recognized it would be a slow process.
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10407:. Well, in that case I believe most of
9118:do good and I can see no harm in it. --
6996:What distinguishes this thread from a "
3149:"I see that we are stuck here. Has any
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8912:To the best of my knowledge, all that
8101:-- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri)
7198:what precisely am I being punished for
7040:what precisely am I being punished for
6847:what precisely am I being punished for
6298:what precisely am I being punished for
5614:what precisely am I being punished for
4905:what precisely am I being punished for
3648:what precisely am I being punished for
2922:what precisely am I being punished for
2563:what precisely am I being punished for
1430:1.1) Tenmei is restricted as follows:
56:Do not edit the contents of this page.
9274:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
9222:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
9191:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
6803:What distinguishes this thread from "
6516:The perfect is the enemy of the good.
6464:approach differs considerably from a
6254:What distinguishes this thread from "
5570:What distinguishes this thread from "
4861:What distinguishes this thread from "
3757:'s words: "... mentorship is exactly
3604:What distinguishes this thread from "
2878:What distinguishes this thread from "
2519:What distinguishes this thread from "
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10740:The following discussion is closed.
9995:The following discussion is closed.
8637:The following discussion is closed.
7579:but this one is really a no-brainer.
6524:The better is the enemy of the good.
6049:WP:Mentorship#Involuntary mentorship
2036:The original ArbCom participants in
1978:which this forum wrongly fostered.
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864:The following discussion is closed.
52:Clarification and Amendment requests
33:
5420:Your newly contrived insistence on
4062:volunteers' involvement needs to be
3195:; and if he should be unavailable,
1438:Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty
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10431:Qualitative edits, no edit-warring
10135:topic ban from the PHG arbitration
8465:Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty
7116:Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty
6941:Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty
6010:"At this point, I'm not sure...."
5972:Tenmei's sentences in table format
4304:User talk:FloNight#Tenmei's mentor
4245:I construe my responsibilities to
4015:Tenmei's sentences in table format
3849:User talk:FloNight#Tenmei's mentor
3441:in a manner similar to this thread
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9467:Generally agree with Coren here.
9212:as I noted during the arbitration
8459:that apply to him. Specifically:
7780:We need editing rules for Tenmei.
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6571:in the context of today's thread.
6068:are difficult to parse. ArbCom's
4433:barriers which remain unresolved
11158:The discussion above is closed.
10710:The discussion above is closed.
9969:The discussion above is closed.
8611:The discussion above is closed.
8239:User talk:Tenmei/Sub-page Alerts
6600:in this ArbCom ordeal are plain.
5851:arbitrary edicts from "on high".
5102:'s words as if they were my own:
4989:, which here takes the form of "
3372:User talk:Tenmei/Sub-page Alerts
2680:User talk:Tenmei/Sub-page Alerts
2032:Adduced principle: Communication
1448:.... (underline emphasis added)
1436:(A) Tenmei is topic-banned from
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6080:Causing unintended consequences
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6508:Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.
4368:restated ArbCom's objectives:
4080:hypotheticals are unproductive
3873:restated ArbCom's objectives:
3250:Principle 6, "Communication").
1985:in our Knowledge community. --
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8673:Eastern European mailing list
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7259:22:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
6916:ordeal has been naught but a
4981:are comprehensive and clear.
4330:offer a succinct response to
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3855:offer a succinct response to
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2780:18:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
2732:05:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
2424:02:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
888:20:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
10129:"PHG's topic ban is renewed"
9685:Knowledge:WikiProject Poland
9540:Knowledge:WikiProject Poland
9010:to be done and is not done.
8463:Tenmei is topic-banned from
7520:So what's happening now? --
6598:lessons learned the hard way
6473:Journal of Law and Economics
5035:Having been identified as a
1440:for a period of six months,
843:Request for clarification:
7:
10951:Statement by NuclearWarfare
10719:Request for clarification:
10648:PHG, enough please. There
9793:Willing to give it a shot.
9667:current editing restriction
8527:Willing to give it a shot.
7154:there is no joy in Mudville
6017:'s reasoning illustrates a
5016:'s reasoning illustrates a
4763:. Please do not forget that
4640:'s reasoning illustrates a
4573:As succinctly expressed by
3980:'s reasoning illustrates a
3911:As succinctly expressed by
2684:User:Tenmei/Sub-page Alerts
2634:is the only one of us with
1923:We can distinguish between
121:Clarification and Amendment
26:Clarification and Amendment
10:
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10644:23:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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10565:12:58, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
10478:Well-sourced contributions
9903:20:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
9879:01:56, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
9841:20:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
9737:18:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
9491:19:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
9481:Agree with Coren as well.
9477:16:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
9450:10:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
9440:19:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
9423:15:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
9374:11:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
9325:11:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
9310:08:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
9202:04:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
9171:20:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
9152:Statement by Jan eissfeldt
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9123:19:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
9108:06:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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9020:08:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
8959:19:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
8939:06:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
8884:When Piotrus was blocked,
8861:Statement by Malik Shabazz
8663:21:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
8594:18:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
8557:16:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
8545:01:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
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6882:Response to Newyorkbrad —
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5391:'s diff discourages me.
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4049:WHAT RESPECTS VOLUNTEERS?
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2040:affirmed this principle:
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9997:Please do not modify it.
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9297:dozen other WP projects
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7803:How does that sound? --
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5018:perfect solution fallacy
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4293:WHAT IS THE MAIN THING?
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3801:What respects volunteers
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866:Please do not modify it.
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9128:Statement by Poeticbent
8908:Statement by Nihil novi
8571:04:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
7796:Let's see what happens.
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6909:As it turned out, this
6732:Volunteer mentors need
6466:comparative institution
6333:Response to Hersfold –
6260:extending a finish line
6256:extending a finish line
6183:Volunteer mentors need
5999:Extending a finish line
5665:Extending a finish line
5652:Extending a finish line
5476:Volunteer mentors need
4786:Volunteer mentors need
4531:REINVENTING THE WHEEL?
4377:incongruent miss-match
3833:my responsibilities to
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3533:Volunteer mentors need
2957:Response to RogerDavies
2807:Volunteer mentors need
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2230:Response to Steve Smith
1907:Extending a finish line
10998:Statement by Sandstein
10455:Best possible civility
10437:Franco-Mongol alliance
10404:ArbCom’s jurisdiction
10377:Franco-Mongol alliance
10042:Franco-Mongol alliance
9620:"discuss improvements"
9291:Statement by Varsovian
7567:Comments from Nihonjoe
7233:Statement by Doc james
4339:to keep the main thing
4269:What is the main thing
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3732:Yes — I did just that.
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10411:’s claims against me
10133:2. ArbCom renews the
9364:Statement by Russavia
8944:Statement by Darwinek
8916:says above is true.
8872:that did not involve
7965:Comments by Doc James
5986:SirFozzie's sentence
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4506:Reinventing the wheel
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9176:Statement by Piotrus
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8328:Question for Tenmei:
7892:Statement by Leujohn
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7075:Response to Shell —
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6454:coined by economist
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5544:03:02, 15 March 2010
5424:Knowledge:Mentorship
4867:moving the goalposts
4865:"? If this is not "
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4191:Moving the goalposts
4183:• ArbCom "mentor" =
4127:Moving the goalposts
4090:Moving the goalposts
3699:Moving the goalposts
3686:Moving the goalposts
3608:"? If this is not "
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3104:Non-English language
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2857:03:10, 15 March 2010
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2498:03:08, 15 March 2010
2374:learned tangentially
1891:Moving the goalposts
10731:Original discussion
10161:Per Honor et Gloria
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9986:Original discussion
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4589:• editing articles
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4583:• editing articles
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10917:protections
10861:protections
10834:(initiator)
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10607:Clerk notes
10427:exemplary:
10345:Amendment 2
10335:Amendment 1
10287:protections
10233:protections
10206:(initiator)
9766:Newyorkbrad
9687:talk page.
9415:Newyorkbrad
9396:Clerk notes
8886:User:Jniech
8846:Amendment 1
8781:(initiator)
8753:protections
8563:Newyorkbrad
8141:Steve Smith
8123:Steve Smith
8069:So done. ~
8028:Clerk notes
7915:Google Wave
7868:John Carter
7553:Ncmvocalist
7023:Newyorkbrad
6945:credibility
6711:Bottom line
6641:red herring
6530:La Bégueule
6371:Steve Smith
6160:Bottom line
5687:Steve Smith
5456:Bottom line
4967:Steve Smith
4761:Bottom line
4710:volunteers
4690:Bottom line
4575:SMcCandlish
4481:focal point
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4405:focal point
4371:2009 goals
4258:focal point
4251:focal point
4151:focal point
3913:SMcCandlish
3839:focal point
3736:necessary."
3511:Bottom line
3409:Google Wave
3405:Google Docs
3317:John Carter
3199:has agreed
3126:Newyorkbrad
2785:Bottom line
2760:RogerDavies
2712:John Carter
2672:John Carter
2632:John Carter
2429:Bottom line
2271:John Carter
2060:Newyorkbrad
1591:John Carter
1313:notice/diff
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971:protections
948:John Carter
944:(initiator)
44:This is an
11144:Carcharoth
11031:Sandstein
11012:Sandstein
10929:page moves
10873:page moves
10818:page moves
10723:(May 2010)
10668:Carcharoth
10462:very civil
10421:irrelevant
10299:page moves
10245:page moves
10196:block user
10190:filter log
9895:KnightLago
9795:KnightLago
9781:Carcharoth
9669:affecting
9647:Carcharoth
9624:Carcharoth
9596:Carcharoth
9572:Carcharoth
9548:Carcharoth
9483:KnightLago
9251:my sandbox
9246:my request
9136:Poeticbent
8983:applies.
8981:WP:SOFIXIT
8931:Nihil novi
8820:block user
8814:filter log
8765:page moves
8529:KnightLago
8507:Carcharoth
8441:McDoobAU93
8399:Coppertwig
8258:Carcharoth
8243:Carcharoth
8224:Carcharoth
8047:User:Taivo
7879:Coppertwig
7866:Note that
7861:Coppertwig
7859:Note from
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7704:McDoobAU93
7377:Coppertwig
7358:Coppertwig
7206:recidivism
7196:wondering
7134:emblematic
7129:ad nauseam
7048:recidivism
7038:wondering
6911:Kafkaesque
6855:recidivism
6845:wondering
6671:mentorship
6387:Carcharoth
6306:recidivism
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6015:Carcharoth
5703:Carcharoth
5622:recidivism
5612:wondering
5597:Carcharoth
5428:Mentorship
5416:Carcharoth
5389:Carcharoth
5325:childhood.
5014:Carcharoth
4983:Carcharoth
4913:recidivism
4903:wondering
4312:is like a
4172:Mentorship
3881:questions.
3827:Mentorship
3656:recidivism
3646:wondering
3005:Principles
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2920:wondering
2674:is one of
2571:recidivism
2561:wondering
2546:SteveSmith
2315:McDoobAU93
1964:by asking
1934:good faith
1918:— not good
1910:— not good
1902:— not good
1894:— not good
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1301:block user
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934:block user
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847:(May 2010)
107:Archive 45
102:Archive 44
97:Archive 43
91:Archive 42
85:Archive 41
80:Archive 40
72:Archive 35
11089:SirFozzie
11066:encourage
10972:Sandstein
10962:, placed
10923:deletions
10867:deletions
10838:Sandstein
10812:deletions
10696:Cool Hand
10682:SirFozzie
10531:Hellenism
10513:probation
10441:Talk page
10293:deletions
10239:deletions
10202:block log
10119:Amendment
9809:SirFozzie
9531:this page
9469:SirFozzie
9317:Varsovian
9302:Varsovian
9259:WT:POLAND
9210:Shortly:
9012:Skäpperöd
8826:block log
8759:deletions
8586:SirFozzie
8290:SirFozzie
8276:SirFozzie
8002:Doc James
7973:Doc James
7481:Doc James
7447:Doc James
7397:Doc James
7324:Doc James
7320:required.
7261:(jmh649)
7241:Doc James
7120:backstory
7002:runaround
6998:runaround
6988:runaround
6953:conflated
6918:runaround
6904:runaround
6884:Runaround
6452:neologism
6391:SirFozzie
6281:SirFozzie
6118:time sink
6060:neologism
5992:Analysis
5946:SirFozzie
5411:Time sink
5012:At best,
5003:bad faith
4682:Comments
4636:At best,
4629:Comments
4525:Comments
4460:problem.
4287:Comments
4179:neologism
4164:neologism
4084:time sink
3976:At best,
3819:neologism
3193:Hong Kong
2967:ArbCom's
2608:ArbCom's
2240:ArbCom's
2095:Wizardman
2056:Support:
1958:Doc James
1925:bad faith
1884:bad faith
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1596:Doc James
1442:to begin
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9523:examples
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9267:this one
8951:Darwinek
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7932:will not
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7835:Kraftlos
7807:Kraftlos
7790:WP:WHEEL
7769:Kraftlos
7734:mentors.
7689:Robofish
7681:Robofish
7524:Kraftlos
7491:contribs
7457:contribs
7407:contribs
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7269:Kraftlos
7251:contribs
7185:Cui bono
7101:In this
7027:Cui bono
6834:Cui bono
6830:Hersfold
6692:Cui bono
6686:Robofish
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6663:Robofish
6652:Robofish
6502:Voltaire
6419:Cui bono
6285:Cui bono
6057:oxymoron
5950:WP:TL;DR
5601:Cui bono
5300:develop.
5275:asserts,
5098:I adopt
4892:Cui bono
4542:FloNight
4366:FloNight
4328:Kraftlos
4185:oxymoron
4043:Comment
3935:WP:TL;DR
3905:FloNight
3891:problem.
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164:1
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140:t
133:v
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