682:. I hope the SCN is not somehow being confused with one of the shady clandestine splinter groups claiming to be Southern Cherokee. Additionally, there are quasi Native American groups within the State of Kentucky hoping to get recognition through powerful political ties and would love to see the SCN discredited. Before any decisions are made to add/delete us from the list with potentially damaging caveats, please contact Principle Chief Michael “Manfox” Buley via email
423:(edit conflict) That's the pith of it. Essjay made a big docking botch but this isn't about him. While there are many cool admins here, there are dozens of admins (and other editors with sway) on this wiki who daily pull the same codswallop and meanwhile Knowledge's management referred a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist to an editor with a wholly fictional CV. That's worrisome and it's helpful to talk about it.
337:(triple edit conflict) You misquoted me. I crossed out that comment after I realized that you were the one who reverted an admin's removal of WAS's trolling. My opinion is that WAS's comment was unarguably trolling and was not productive, yet you chose to revert it anyway, which brings your comments about admin over-censorship into question because I don't believe that reverting trolling is over-censorship.
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class article. This SAME editor failed the GAC, mere minutes after I nominated it. So now not only does the article have an ugly "start class" rating, it has an even uglier failed GA status on it. I'm fed up. I feel as though the article was vandalized by a drive-by editor, and I don't feel that I have any recourses to correct it. --
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Now for the business at hand, I am not sure the
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I never expected that you be anything but totally impartial. I wanted to communicate with you
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are some of the edits we're talking about. While I agree that the initial remarks in these were somewhat over the top in their personal attacking style, I think it is worse to make this a site which leaves the impression that all
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Not much of an idea. I usually don't do anything with this kind of ratings (too subjective for me), and my input was just a guess. I suppose the intro could be expanded, and the geography and economy as well. Do you get the
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I give up. As my comments here are being continuously moved and deleted, it's clear to me that trying to form a coherent argument about this event is futile. I apparently have stumbled upon the Essjay Fan Club, and I'm sorry to have intruded. On the other hand, if anyone would like to discuss how
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I think you're focusing a little too much on this whole issue of "censorship", dude. In retrospect, it seems excessive and out of place. Removing trolling isn't censorship, but rather an attempt to keep discussion productive. And in this specific case, to avoid alienating a much valued and respected
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Truth be told I think there are some editors lurking about here who are a bit on edge with the notion that Essjay got nicked for doing something they do themselves. My take on that would be... chill y'all! Don't lie to reporters from the New Yorker 'n don't puff up your academic background to other
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You don't? Funny, you said yourself, in the resulting (and deleted) commentary, "That's disturbing news. Stuff like this can't really be swept under the carpet, and trying to do so before it's all out of our system is probably just going to make it worse." Anyway, and as I said before, this isn't
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I'd be happy to continue the conversation wherever you'd like. A question, though, if I may. Are you okay with me moving our existing dialogue to this talk page? I don't feel it's really appropriate on Essjay's page, although I'll understand if you want to keep it there. Sorry to keep bugging you
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Would you be okay with moving it to one of our talk pages? It's kind of derailed the post I originally made. In addition, I am genuinely confused about what point you're trying to make, although it could just be because I'm incredibly tired (I'm about to go to bed). If you'd like to continue the
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Never mind. Two other people have jumped in now. I'll just leave off with saying I'm thoroughly confused. My original thread talks about Essjay and the community's reaction to what he did, causing his departure. Some replies are made. Then you take an opportunity to talk about how admins are
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It's difficult to form a coherent argument right now, as the ground rules for discussing this seem to be shifting by the hour. Nonetheless, I do wish you well, and I do apologize if I've offended you. We'll take this up at a later time, if you'd like. Thanks! --
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So what do you think of moving the conversation here? We can also continue it if you want. Mainly I want to get it off Essjay's talk page... in retrospect it seems kind of off-topic and disrespectful to leave it there in light of what has happened. Respectfully,
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Greetings! First off, I should let you know that although my father and brother are both Masons in good standing, I (for various life reasons not worth discussing here) have not yet petitioned a Lodge. In any case, I must remain impartial where
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anticipate that some solution will be reached whereby the Nation will be included with appropriate caveats from those who (for whatever reasons) don't believe the Nation should be included. But whatever the outcome, consensus is important. --
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And also, the relationship between the two comments remains unclear. How is discussion on Essjay's return related to censorship, as you imply with the wording "Nor do I... especially as all his admin friends are censoring discussion about
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I know the article can be improved, certainly. Hmmm... Maybe I'm just worried too much about it. The whole process just upsets me, as it seems to be an easy way to snipe at other people's work without adding anything constructive. --
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censoring debate on the topic. I question the link, since it's kind of off-topic and I disagree with your point. You don't really give a response, but rather change the subject. So I don't really know what we're talking about. =P –
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I'd rather take it up on one of the blogs listed at the link above. Though I'm not sure what more I can add, or even want to add. I'm growing tired of the negative responses I'm getting on this, and especially the
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I honestly don't see the connection. And I don't know why you've fought so rabidly to have that troll's comment kept. It was trolling, plain and simple, and absolutely no productive discussion stemmed from it.
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about Essjay. Those who flounce off aren't supposed to be back reading what people say about them, and I'm not about to disguise the truth in an effort to get him back. That only furthers the dishonesty. --
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times. The last time I looked we were in a dubious status and now today, we are not listed at all. What made you finally take the
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before we appoint another mouthpiece to go before the news media. To me, that's of far greater importance than to try to avoid alienating an editor, no matter how valued and respected he might be. --
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I'm not at all offended. I'm just trying to understand your views on the subject. Thanks for your courteous response, and I'd be happy to continue this discussion tomorrow morning.
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that's what you're doing, so to avoid the appearance of censorship. --
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