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section more frequently at the RD. But you added some links that weren't even included yet at WP! That being said, and I meant every word I typed, you might wish to be careful when directly weaving references into other users' posts at the desks. I have seen editors react sensitively to this, because
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remove the category without adding an edit summary or any explanation (or presentation of sources) on the talk page. Was that you then? I guess I didn't see any evidence at the time, but I'm sure you're right, I'm no expert of WWI French flying squad terminology, and obviously I didn't understand
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Greetings again. Grove covers it under polyphony rather than counterpoint, a significant distinction--counterpoint being, as they define it, a western concept. They admit there, however, that "counterpoint" and "polyphony" are often used interchangeably. They do not have anything specifically
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your unexplained removal. I won't revert again. I apologize for my faulty revert, and thank you for pointing out my error. Please continue to keep an eye on this article, have a nice summer, and happy editing! ---
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Lol, no problem, I had included the Lady of the Lightbulbs at first too, but the box grew massive. I saw you had to manually fix this sixty times now, hardly the baptism of fire you were looking for. ;-)
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