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If you don't mind I have a question about how to do something in AWB. There is a new template called
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wow dont offer its gonna be a problem - i have a backlog of about 1,000 arts that havent been adequately assessed - but hey youd go down in my hero list if you could do that without any pain - id be eternally grateful for a start - i work from an imac most of the time at the mo so i cannot run awb
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OK. Seems like you've stopped. I doubt there is consensus for your edits across all
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My edit brought consistency to the dates in the references, and allows users with a date preference to view all the dates as they wish. Your reversion takes us back to a situation where nobody can view the dates in the same way, unless their date preference happens to be Month D YYYY.
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Excuse the profanity, but since you seem to have taken an interest in the template issues, do you have a template that properly formats the MLA (Modern Language Association) citation guide rather than the APA (American Psychiatric Association) guide used in the templates? FWiW
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Hi. I noticed you flagged the Ceres article as needing to be wikified? I am a new user and have some familiarity with the organization and would like to update the page. Can you give me any advice on how to go about doing this? Thanks! :)
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I'm not really in to wikipedia politics and edit disputes. I think you should establish a consensus for change on the article's talk page rather than trying to bring in editors who don't have a relation to the article in question.
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find&replace entries to only do the above rather than changing all unlinked dates into ISO ones. I hope you can respond promptly so I can try this out. I will then try a few edits to see how I go. Thanks
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Your edit brought inconsistency (one of the dates was not in ISO format), and added unnecessary blue links. The accessdates don't really need to be linked either but that's the form used in that article.
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format in a particular article, and change any non-conforming dates to match the dominant format. --
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