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written articles are about naval history yet now he goes touting himself as a worthy editor of air warfare. His myopic view is that every German soldier must have been a Nazi and was certain to have hidden war-crimes in his history, whereas the American and British soldiers were holy warriors on a noble crusade beyond reproach, which is dangerously naïve and downright offensive, and as any researcher with half a brain will know, war is never so black and white. The biggest frustration is that its relatively easy to find articles on Allied pilots that contradict his very arguments on article-formatting, so it is obviously a anti-German grudge he holds. I just wish we can find a way to muzzle him and stop his arbitrary vandalism - I believe if he had his way every German biography would be left as a stub article, or written in a tone reminiscent of the very poor military literature of the 50s and 60s. Its a sad day when Knowledge is ru

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the Blacks in his neighborhood, but that was the concern of others, the silence and separateness, hard thing to directly speak about, but not to forget. It is an issue that bedevils our present history as much as New York City in his day. Others would point out that the frictions emerge from the privileges Schneerson utilized. Others criticize the failure of Schneerson to reach out to the family or the Black community. I find the conversation between Schneerson and Dinkins about a week after the incident is highly paradigmatic of a larger human situation. Much, if not all of this, could be well sourced in authoritative neutral sources, but the battle royale required to only even state at least two mere facts: this was Schneerson's police led motorcade, the riots emerged from existing tensions in the neighborhood, makes this daunting without administrative help. It is a, no pun intended,

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My english and communication is not the best. I'm originally from Italy and only a lurker here and this was brought to my attention by another brother. Maybe the xenophobic attacks suggesting that only American administrators should enforce sanctions on American politics struck a nerve with me. I don't have the cred or desire to take this concern to the AE there nor would I when it is currently a battlefield of political fundies on both sides of the coin. But I noticed TTAAC working with his friends to trick you and the other admins into thinking that this is only about "an innocent mistake" over his "first mistake" over "one revert." After looking into his edit history, he has gotten away with violating rules in all shapes and sizes multiple times. This is just "the first time" he was caught red-handed. Thank you for hearing me out paisan.

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clarification, but I still think that the formulation speaks more about Novak's grandparents. I don't read such claims in the sources. The 3 mains sources say: "My mother in a Croat from Vinkovci, and father Monteneigran", "You may not know, but his (Novak) mother is Croatian" ,"The truth is that my wife is Croatian.". I've already stated that in the discussion. I completely agree with your edit ,but I made a request that wouldn't speak of ethnic background of Novak's parents as I think that is the case. Ok, thanks for your answer. Kavonder 08:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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disruptive editor who clearly knows better, then what's the point of "final warnings" and having discretionary sanctions if the rule of law has no teeth? That is not meant as a criticism of you, but clearly this editor's chronic violation of the rules persists and I would hope his rights end where other innocent editor's rights begin. And, again, I only reached out to you since you were also involved in BOTH ANIs (i.e. and that drama is still fresh and recent in most people's minds, so I don't think it's bad form to mention it now).

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so you can not categorized it like that. Number of casulties are way higher, especially since they did not bury them all there. Most of them were thrown intoSava river. Dead bodies were seen even in Serbia, many miles away. Why are you deminishing size of crime? I can see that you are aussie, but probably descendant of Croat emigrants? It is not ok for you to get invokved into this matter. And only valid web site is of Stara gradiska camp,please unblock page and correct it. Thank you in advance

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total sympathy for him and his efforts to eredicate information about military history of Nazi Germany), to make sure he wins everytime! He is still trying to recrute editors in his crusade, but you're not on his wish list, for some reasons. He is still adding crappy or NPOV prose on his page; making sure editors are marked as nazi apologist. He makes good of conviction that Knowledge is not a good source to even find sources on certain subjects, because of the inherent bias of some editors.

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tracts of pages on Luftwaffe biographies that I, and a number of careful researchers have put together, is very dispiriting. His whole mantra relies on following the letter of the Wiki-law and demanding that we prove our case rather than giving the benefit of the doubt. In a McCarthy-ist fervour he shows remarkable disdain for anything foreign and on-line despite the webpages citing a large array of the same RS books as used in published materials. I have found extreme value in sites such as

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disruptions. Admins are empowered to block editors who repeatedly violate DS. If you set a high bar that requires other editors to compile indictments, slog through AE threads, and endure retaliatory personal attacks, you are enabling this kind of disruption. I can understand that an Admin would not block a user for whom there's not a clear pattern of disruption and violation, but TTAAC has shown that he is either incapable of understanding WP policy or unwilling to follow it.

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RfC. Your comments above indicate you haven't. Having an "origin" or "background" says nothing about someone's parents. If you think the wording could be tightened to match the sources even more closely, have that discussion on the talk page of the article. My suggested wording was exactly that, a suggestion. If you can do better, fill your boots. But be very careful there with edit warring, I know I'm not the only admin watching that article. Cheers,

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close, they can challenge it per usual procedures, which has already been suggested. I'm not aware that anyone has done that, as I would expect any reviewing admin would do the right thing and advise me. I'd suggest ignoring them. If there is any edit warring after the current block is lifted, I expect there will be several admins that will take swift action. What is going on there is just disruption and IDHT. Cheers,

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ever be rehabiliated. He and his 'friends' are turning this into the liberal side versus the conservative side. What about being on the side of wikipedia? When politics are removed, this becomes a no-brainer. He's just a WP:NOTHERE who shouldn't come within 100 yards of a political article. The editor seems to do okay editing articles on videogames, his other passion, so maybe he should stick with that.

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policy-based arguments for opposing you. As the only way to really establish consensus for or against such a section is a neutrally-worded RfC, and you've already had a RfC (I don't think it was well-crafted), that boat may well have sailed for now. Perhaps you can answer this question: why is it so important that the riot is featured prominently in the article?

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or origin. They are saying that she is a Croat. For all we know, her parentage is Serbian or something else, sources simply don't rely there. The same goes about Novak's father. Some editors are complaining and that may be justified. Novak's father can have Serbian origin. We don't have sources on that, but sources are saying that he is Montenegrin. Thank You.

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article, regardless of what version of English they used to do it. I wrote it in Australian English, which varies from British English in a number of ways, and has since 1788. So, just leave it as it is. It's pretty straightforward. I failt to see why you would bother to try to change it or care about what version of English was used. Cheers,

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alone implies the President himself is a homicidal maniac, considering that ISIS murders innocents for sport. Talk about BLP violation! I would agree with TTAAC then that anyone who is editing political articles about living people shouldn't be allowed to do so if they plan to angrily and deliberately slander law-abiding public servants.

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admins invite trouble if they put the hammer down? I'd like to understand (A) your own ideas how to make it work better and (B) your own observation of how it works from an admin's perspective. Maybe the discussion will produce a brainstorm list of possible things to try differently. Thanks for thinking about it.

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has continually sought administrative sanctions for me (you had a note on my talk page about this). I really don't care to fight personal battles. I prefer an arbitrated peace. Inserting a balanced paragraph in the text with heading (see endless talk discussion) and then blocking the article for some

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Since DennisBrown is no longer active, I can't go to him. So it seems like it might fall upon another admin in the know who was involved in that ANI to enforce the outcome; which is the ONLY reason I came to your doorstep. And if someone in an authority position doesn't eventually stop appeasing this

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since TTAAC's disgrace in his own ANI. Apparently, SPECIFICO is TTAAC's go-to scapegoat when he's having a bad day. And, in that previous ANI where TTAAC was found in violation of the rules, TTAAC had also tried to blame his violation(s) of the rules (i.e. in that case violating a 1RR revert rule) on

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as it appeared to be a circular discussion getting out of control, mainly fueled by the one or two editors with feelings about Nazi awards. There was an attempt to "unarchive" it and keep the conversation going. The debate really needs to end. Your comments on the talk page to close this out would

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As a note on the side, as with any one posting their thoughts on your talk page please take what I have to say with a grain of salt as the saying goes since clearly this pushes a button on me. And sorry for jumping in like this, and if you feel like I'm being biased, then feel free to ignore me too.

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Then he has the nerve to bring his case to another AE that doesn't involve him, hoping to manipulate any uninvolved editors into looking at him differently! In fact, the minute he became involved in his own AE,it became a WP:BATTLEGROUND over politics! That should speak volumes about whether he could

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had a single 15 mm/38 MG, but doesn't elaborate if those were left over from their service in the JKRM or newly installed by the Italians. Now, regarding Brescia, while I was writing the Description section, I based it on the data from Conway's 1947–1995 which makes no mention of a 15 mm MG. However,

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I still think the close was good in avoiding the demonym. Consistency isn't everything. I gave greater weight to the arguments for Taiwan over Taiwanese because I thought they were stronger than those for Taiwanese. In particular, that the examples of United States/American and United Kingdom/British

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Hi. I welcome your ruling here, however I wouldn't like to insert something that sources aren't saying. Could you please explain where did you get the info about Novak's grandparents when you said that Novak's mother is of Croatian parentage. As I see sources are not saying anything about her parents

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What General Ization said. All you are doing is re-inserting material with your demands about quotations. Go to the talk page and explain what your concerns are, others will respond, then a consensus will develop about the issue. The consensus will then be implemented. I have semi-protected the page

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Hey do you have anything on the activities of Kotor and Pula under the Titoists? I ask because the South Africans bought three of the other W-class DDs and it would be pretty easy for me to deal with the rest of the class as well. If not, I'll probably just do the basic description para and fill out

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Well, for starters, it is hardly going to be in Austrian English, is it? The purpose of all of these templates is to make sure that people don't just change the spelling of words to suit their own version of English (American, British, Canadian etc), and respect the editor that bothered to write the

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Are your really trying to claim no Croats were victims in the camp? There were more Croats on the apposing side than the Facist organization that were the Ustashi. To state otherwise is historical revisionism. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of bodies in a river would have surely been sited by

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Dear peacemaker , i do not know why do you keep minimizing Serbian and Jewish victoms in Jasenovac Concetracion camp? Estimation oof Ss and Ndh officers was way higher during war, even for period 1941-1943. And why do you keep adding croats and bosnian muslims? They were not there because of nation

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Hi, Thanks for being one of the admins that bother to look at AE. From your experience so far, can you identify impediments that chase admins away from being more involved at AE? Why don't admins quickly take unilateral action to squelch what I'll call "noise", or boomerang the wikilawyers? Do

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I didn't come up with the RfC. I thought we had a consensus to include the material. When the New York Times and other major sources looked at Schneerson's legacy, the riots and the problems of Crown Heights are major sections. I don't expect to find much in his past he ever said or interacted with

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I'm always happier to see discussion archived in the usual manner, so I wouldn't truncate it preemptively, and for me to do so would be seen as "involved". I do think that there is a broad consensus there that the awards can be included if there are RS for them. I would encourage you to try to keep

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to FAC, as it is a rather important article, and one that I've put a lot of work into. I think I can hold my own on prose, but the thing that scares me off is the images; so after your review of Operation PBFORTUNE, I figured I might ask you to take a look at them and possibly help me get them into

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I've read with increasing dismay the discussion on the Joachim Helbig talkpage, and your increasing frustration with Coffman's editing. Its a small relief that I am not alone with having difficulty with his complete inability to see/read reason into discussions, and his unilateral deletion of large

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Just butting in, while I agree that Britain is geographically closer to Austria than Australia, I don't think that matters so much when it comes to varieties of English in this case. If PM, an Australian editor, writes an article on a British subject, it behoves him to use BritEng, and if he writes

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What is the point of these? There are cited or in other cases is he bothered to check for sources? I looked at List of Medal of Honor recipients for World War II, and checked to find that the list contains persons who don't have citation source for their decorations such as Asiatic-Pacific Campaign

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In that case, could I ask you to review the close. I agree there was a clear consensus for the move away from "Republic of China", but I can still see no consensus for Taiwan over Taiwanese. Arguments were made for both by a roughly equal number of editors, with several others simply supporting the

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G'day. Sure thing. I took into account the arguments questioning the validity of "Taiwanese" as an appropriate demonym for things proper to the Republic of China, and also the fact that both the United States and United Kingdom "xxx elections" use one of the common names of the nation-state instead

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Hi 23. While I'm happy with semi-protecting article space (and someone else beat me to the punch there), I am loath to do it in talk space, despite my general prejudice against short-term IPs who refuse to create an account. You don't have to engage with ppl on talk. If they have a problem with the

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Mate, there are enough IPs wandering around that article to form a committee. While it isn't compulsory, having an editing history is important for other editors to take your contributions seriously. So please sign your comments or get an account. Also, please read the sources that were used in the

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talkpage, several ideas were put forward as to how this procedure could be improved, particularly in making it more user-friendly towards first-time nominees. The promotion rate for first-timers at FAC is depressingly low – around 16 percent – which is a cause for concern. To help remedy this, Mike

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If we don't rename the page then the non-qualifiers should be removed I guess, but I wouldn't feel comfortable without some consensus or expressed agreement. Aside from two newbie editors who have only weighed in on my own edits, no seasoned editors have expressed themselves, as of yet, anyway. As

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weight in the article given Schneerson's actual (apparently very limited) involvement in the incident that sparked the riot, and in terms of Schneerson's life as a whole. You certainly don't have consensus on the talk page to insert what you want to insert, and the other editors there seem to have

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I'm afraid Fraccaroli isn't of much help here. He doesn't mention anything about the boats original armament, just their configuration in Italian service. Even there, he doesn't make the distinction if any of it was the original armament retained by the Regia Marina, or was it all completely newly

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He seems spending a massive amount of time mocking the prose in existing articles, or complaining about to much positivity in Nazi military history and not enough negativity. Then venting his frustrations at the so called "obstructionist editors". He always is calling his "friends" (those who have

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I will like to put an example: he started removing awards from German military personnel during WWII, for the reason, I guess, it wasn't cited or cited to a neo-nazi ??writers??, while in reality that was probably put in the article in good faith many years ago by someone who forgot or bothered to

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Hi, I enjoyed your latest book review. I am an avid reader and have a fair number of books recently read within the scope of WP MilHist, so would like to contribute with reviews of any of those still not yet reviewed. Where can I find the WP's guidelines for doing so, and the process to follow to

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I'm afraid that your RfC wasn't very well worded. It is very important to craft a neutrally worded RfC so that outside editors feel they can provide input into what is often a small group arguing the toss over something. My reading of that RfC is that the other editors believe that such a section

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TTAAC has violated DS restrictions numerous times starting immediately after the AE cited above. He has violated 1RR at least twice. He has reinserted content where such reinsertion is expressly prohibited by the talk page DS template. He has engaged in numerous soapbox, personal attack, and TE

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This is beyond the pale, and this unstable mindset of his own doing has clearly spilled onto his own AE. I can't think of a greater BLP violation that accusing the President of the United States, without evidence, of being the creator of a homicidal terrorist group. That conspiracy theory slander

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So Nick-D have totally embraced K.e.coffman and started working together to remove as much as possible military history of Nazi Germany from Knowledge. Introducing several reasons, such as questionable numbers, nazi propaganda, dubious, intricate detail, he is not noticable and so many no time to

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Re: the AE report. I said that unless this is nipped in the bud it would just get worse. And then 92slim jumped into the Julian Assange article to make revenge reverts (see my statement at WP:AE). After he tried to revert me at other articles like Battle of Aleppo, but was reverted by others. In

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Hello, I saw that under my appeal you posted this: "If HT is capable of editing neutrally and constructively in a less contentious area, I say let's see evidence of that." Since I don't want to exceed my 500 word statement by posting on the AE board, I offer you these diffs as evidence that I am

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G'day, I understand your frustrations. I would also say that most online resources such as the ones you mention do not meet our reliability requirements. However, in my view, coffmann sets a highly idiosyncratic bar at a height far higher than WP does, and by doing so he is actually damaging the

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Hi, in regards to the section about Djokovic's parents ethnicity, I think it is quite unjustified to close this section while leaving highly controversial thing is in, particularly as the consensus that was reached on the topic is far from clear as is the strength of the arguments on the side of

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I don't know why my ip changes so much but its not up to me. It would be easier if it didn't. I already accepted the suggestion so I started signing my comments. Ok, I made a suggestion when starting an edit request. I can't edit the article so I won't have problems with edit warring. Thanks for

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where he sees no value in supporting data or information, systematically working his way through my edits that I started at 'S'. Having checked his contribution page it shows a staggering amount of edits (100+) every day non-stop, and checking the timestamps, almost dawn to dusk. It appears his

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you can clearly see a 40 mm Bofors on the stern and a machine gune-like setup on the aft, just above the torpedo tube. My wild guess would be that they lacked the MGs upon delivery, only to have them installed later during their service. I'd suggest stating both; according to Conway's, a single

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now that you've asked me about it, I also checked the 1940 edition of Jane's Fighting Ship's (p. 517) and they actually do mention a "1 M.G. AA" (machine gun, anti-aircfat). Things can get a bit more confusing when you actually take a look at the pictures of the boats that are available online.

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Sorry to see that you didn't stand for re-election as a MILHIST coordinator this year; but I totally understand that the job can be a lug on other things that one wants or need to do with life. Thanks for your service to the project. And, while I'm at it, thank you for your service as an Aussie

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Unfortunately, admin Dennis Brown has apparently resigned as an admin but, again, he was the enforcing admin for a particularly nasty ANI that ended with him giving one last chance to a troublesome editor named TTAAC - following his violation of discretionary standards and generally disruptive

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During the April War, were men aged 18–19 called up? Were any men younger than 18 called up? According to a League of Nations document of some type that I downloaded from somewhere... in wartime men as young as 18 could be conscripted and those as young as 17 could be called into non-frontline

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I will like to add few things about K.e.coffman. He have no interest in building the military history encyclopedia, and is here to just deleting information and push for his own agenda, that is reduction of Nazi era military articles to the point of absurdity (because there were nazi and don't

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Hi Peacemaker. I see that someone else took over the Rogozarski review. I very much regret that I was unable to finish the review—please accept my sincerest apologies. As I mentioned on my talk page, some real-life issues unexpectedly arose, leaving me with no spare time to do anything here.

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service (a cabinet order was required for both). I am wondering if you have seen a source that explicitly mentions 18-year-olds being called up in April 1941. I am also wondering if you have read anything about men being pressed into service (illicitly) who were even younger than that.

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The format change I made to the tables to make the entries at the top of their respective columns was done because on the long tables, having to scroll halfway down to see the origin entry isn't helpful. It enhances readability, in my opinion. It's hardly a make or break matter though.

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Peacemaker67, I just sent you an email about Miramar, but then noticed you want to renew rather than re-request. Please hold off on doing anything while I figure out if the two processes are the same or different. We onlyhave a very limited number of Miramar accesses granted. Thanks!

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deserve for people to know "intricate" details of their life, or worst their military deeds). If you don't agree with him, he is calling his "friends" (such as ÄDA - DÄP, sometimes Kierzek and others) and start accusing editors, who disagree with him, admirer for the "neo-nazi".

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Peacemaker, how you have the energy and sanity to deal with such nationalists from the region is astounding. I have butt heads with my fare share of nationalists of all ex Yugo backgrounds, and wouldn't have the tame compsure to tolerate such attitudes. God bless, man. Cheers

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and made all of the necessary categories, an infobox and the templates, I was wondering who I should ask to include us in the talk page template, I have already added the baseline of |Roman= to the template, but have not touched the underlying code to make it work. Thanks.

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of the demonym for valid reasons. To my mind, these two things combined with the consensus of those that voted and made arguments made it appropriate to diverge from the guidance of WP:NC-GAL in this case. I'm sorry if I didn't make my closure reasoning clearer. Cheers,

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I may have missed a couple. These are all probably socks of Searcher11, who was in turn a sock of Asdisis. All push the same agenda and all swarm to the same article discussions at similar periods. No one has done anything in months. Immediate action is required.

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about WWII and Yugoslavia, which have all been reverted (mostly by you and I). Do you recommend I go to ANI for a block; as an admin you can do it yourself. The IP has stopped and I left 2 warnings on his/her (pbly "his") talk page. But he or she might return.

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G'day. I think my explanation of the closure accords with the sources provided and the arguments made there. I don't propose to re-state those arguments here. Of course, you are free to ask for a review of my closure of that RfC, which would be best done at

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Hello Peacemaker67. I just saw you remark that the original complainant at AE did not present a fully convincing set of diffs. I hope that you have also reviewed the diffs provided by others in this thread and such additional diffs as may be posted.

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Hey PM67, you wouldn't happen to have access to digital articles of the Guardian through Keesings or Highbeam would you? I'm trying to get my hands on Ian Traynor "Croat Aggression 'Seeks to Build on Peace Plan Gains'" The Guardian, 3 February, 1993.

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period of time. I wish I could say I'm asking for too much, but one paragraph is already much less than this biography deserves. Question: I don't want another RfC. I don't want to get into tit for tat sanctions. What is my best next avenue?

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move proposal as it stood (i.e. for the demonym). There was no killer argument in favour of avoiding following the guideline (you note arguments were made regarding British and American elections, but the fact that elections in the

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Since then, TTAAC has not only disregarded this serious FINAL warning, but has gone as far as retaliatory behavior, filing frivolous ANIs against editors as payback for blowing the whistle on him, as he did with this pointless ANI

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My request for the origin (cite) of the term "Greater Serbia" was twice deleted without proper explanation. I returned the question back twice, and I corrected myself several times. What is "persistent disruptive" about that?

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the 700K figure isn't supported by the academic consensus. Making unsupported and incorrect claims about my ethnic background isn't a great way to start a discussion. Start a thread on the talk page like you should have done.

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multiple sources. Stop pedaling propoganda on a site meant for neutral straight up historical information. Conjuring up conspiracies that Croats from different parts of the world are trying to re write history is foolish.

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in Djokovic's parents. It looked like a good compromise between having the info (but not in the lead), and keeping it short and sweet. Sadly, it's already been changed once. I changed it back but I doubt it will hold.

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you can maybe help as you have posted those sources. I also do think that origins of his parents is a bit too trivial for inclusion. Even many had complained that Novak's ethnicity/origins/parentage is too much to

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Judah? I'd like to see an academic review that says that... The only negative comments I'm aware of are that he is biased against Serbs (and that was by Charles Simić, it is referenced in Judah's article). Cheers,

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In one of TTAAC's many attacks against another of this brothers, he said that anyone editing BLP articles shouldn't be allowed to do so if they slander political figures (read the subject heading of this edit)

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I'm sorry but I do think that WP:AE admins who didn't take care of this early on (like with SaintAviator or EtienneDolet) are partly to blame for the fact that the problem is just getting worse and spreading.

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And now, again, since then (more violations) - (1) his frivolous ANI targeting an innocent editor and (2)these blatant personal attacks when he should really be on his best behavior, (recapped below etc.):

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No, I just re-assessed it. If you don't want to complete the process I can do it. I was a bit previous in adding the review, sorry, but it is not a problem. All the issues have been addressed and it is now

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You should also stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you that he is a sock. You are being very disruptive to the people who are discussing in good faith. Kavonder 21:42, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry for the belated message. I don't think we've communicated since before 1 January so... Anyway, pleasantries aside and long story short, could you weigh in on the conversation at the talk page

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Although Australia fought in WWI, there's nothing in the article that connects to Australia, so, given that both Austria and Hungary are in Europe, the most logical choice would be British English.

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You know, this will not be the first time; many editors are logical, and will – like I did – ask themselves "Why on earth would this article be written in Australian English?", and challenge that.

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cite. Even so if we take him serious, what he call neo-nazi publisher, surely there is stuff that's strictly factual like organizational data or movements, awards etc., is unlikely to be tainted?

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whatever else is there up to B-class. Postwar activities for all of them, except the South African ships, will, I expect, be scarce enough to put GA out of reach, which would be disappointing.--

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I just reverted a sock of a banned user 5 times at the Trump talk page. Where were you? Protecting the 'pedia? Who's minding the store to protect from disruption from people like me? Yeesh...

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on an American subject, then AmEng; but if he writes on an Austrian subject then I think he's entitled to use the variety of English he's most familiar with, and that should be respected per

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to completely exclude events linked to him, not marginally, certainly not by any stretch of a historian or biographer reading his posthumous biographies. I do not know why their position of

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OK, I'll bother you again in a week or so about it. I was going to use the verb "nag", but then I was afraid it might mean something different in Australian English than it does in the USA.

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guides us to use the demonym, but then said that the articles should be moved to "Taiwan xxx elections" rather than the demonym version "Taiwanese xxx elections". Could you clarify? Cheers,

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Thanks mate. I'll be back, just needed a break. Should have taken one last year probably. I'm just going to concentrate on content for a year and see how I feel this time next year. Cheers,

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I also just observed where usernmame TTAAC(nickn.) accused international admins of being part of a liberal conspiracy to silence American conservative editors, claiming "the fix is in":

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expected of editors. However, if you read my statement, I am confident that you will come to the conclusion that I am unusually qualified for a repeal of my ban. Thank you for reading.

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In a review of the Military Historian of the Year and Military History Newcomer of the Year Awards for 2016, I have determined that you are in fact the first person to have won both -

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Great pick up, Tom. This is very heartening to see as it hopefully shows that newcomers to the project can achieve fantastic things. Thanks once again for your efforts, PM. Regards,

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article which is unsourced and outdated. If the party still exists it is essentially irrelevant, IMHO, like Republicans in New England or Unionists in the Republic of Ireland, IMO.

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makes it obvious what disruptive editing and absence of discussion Peacemaker is talking about. It will be equally obvious to any administrator asked to intervene. Stop it or be

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Listen mate, there was consensus as I outlined, and there are reliable sources for it. Just because you don't personally agree with it is neither here nor there. Take a breath.

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Hello! I hope that all is well. I am planning on nominating this article for FA imminently, and I was interested if you could give me your opinion on a couple of questions:

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Hey, I'm a newish user and I wanted to know if there were any tools or tips anywhere I could use to design my userpage instead of building a brick wall out of userboxes. --

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But can you explain to me why a ship in the Austria-Hungary navy should be written in Australian English? Australia is on the other side of the world, for god's sake!

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for a few days for you to do what I suggest. A return to this same behaviour will likely result in some sort of sanction. Please read the links as suggested. Cheers,

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with the primary intention of enforcing various arbitration remedies that prohibited editors under the "30 days/500 edits" threshold to edit certain topic areas.

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for about a week so IPs can't edit? The place has become infested with Asdisis and (probable) Soundwaweserb socks, making any level-headed discussion impossible.

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So, it would seem enough is enough. Bottom line: he's not getting with the program and it would seem like now is a reasonable time for more direct action IMHO.

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Hello. I was wondering if you could do an article about Counter-Insurgency ops. I would appreciate it, and it would be a great addition to Military aviation.

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but that user obviously suffers from a reckless disregard for the truth. The sock above, quoting from MelanieN's earlier AE report, accused me of violating "

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written in, following some kind of logic. If you set about writing an article about an American WWI ship, you would hardly use Australian English, would you?

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were significantly stronger than the counter-argument of Republic of Ireland/Irish. Of course, you can always ask for a review. I won't be offended. Cheers,

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Sorry I really don't know enough about the Srb uprising as yet. I only became properly aware of it as a result of starting the Radjenovic article. Cheers,

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No prob, these things happen. I've asked for a 2O, but the review is still yours, so if you have anything further to add, it would be appreciated. Cheers,

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if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the

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A broom on the periscope on return to Pearl Harbor, 1943. The broom indicates the oceans were "swept clean". The pennant reads, "Shoot the sunza bitches".

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Medal, World War II Victory Medal etc. and if we take what K.e.coffman is doing we should delete them all unsourced award or decorations. This must stop.

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Would you be so kind to explain: What "Persistent disruptive editing" are you talking about and what "Failure to engage on talk" are you talking about?

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encyclopedia. His editing behaviour is tendentious, and I have no doubt that if he continues, he will eventually strike a hurdle in that regard. Cheers,

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G'day Sturm, sorry, I have little on post-war Yugoslav ships except where I've hunted it down because they were previously used during the war. Cheers,

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I'm not sure when we decided to have threaded comments in AE, but the distinct lack of bureaucracy is refreshing. Must be Christmas time or something.

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editor whose primary purpose is to get political opponents banned. I'd tell the sock to take this to ANI, but they really shouldn't, considering that

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Quite odd editing. I'm not sure there is enough there for ANI, and I can't use my tools as I am involved. If it continues, ANI is an option. Cheers,

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you are active in monitoring and making corrections to pages related to this particular field, I would appreciate your input. (What time is it in

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another silly excuse - in that case "vandalism", when clearly he was just trying to BS his way around the rules and guidelines (reviewed below):

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Spring Cleaning here Tom. I had wanted to get to that job before I finished up as a coord but had to wait for Hawkeye to tweak the bot. Cheers,

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The sock-master Asdisis has been plaguing Balkan-related articles for about two months now with a plethora of single-person accounts, mostly at

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to the German Federal Archives useful. The Federal Archives have started digitizing the KC nomination and approval/rejection documents. Cheers

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On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the Writer's Barnstar for placing second in the December 2016

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On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the Writer's Barnstar for placing second in the November 2016

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But never mind, it's not a big thing to me, I thought PM's change was a mistake, given that the article is on an Austrian(-Hungarian) topic.

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Ok, so I guess what you're saying is that, if PM67 were to write an article on an American topic, he wouldn't need the respect he mentioned?

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for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article.

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I have hard time to understand this. I'm arguing with you and I have to reach consensus with you in discussion you are not involved with?

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Should the article be renamed, should the non-qualifying entries be removed from the article in question, or should I revert my changes?

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TTAAC was lucky this wasn't WP:BOOMERANGED on him, considering that this clearly was attempt to game the system, a WP:GAMING violation.

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pointing out that he was on the razor's edge of a topic ban and other consequences if didn't cease and desist from disruptive behavior:

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Hi Peacemaker67. I got your note, but I'm not sure if you want me to help nominate a coordinator or to stand election as a coordinator.

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Hello. Thanks for closing the RfC, but I just wanted to double-check whether the closing statement was correct – you noted that the

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use "Irish" was raised as a counter-argument) so I would have expected the closure to go in line with the actual proposal. Cheers,

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I've sent off your request data; it would be helpful to me if you would ping me when you rec'v the renewal from Miramar... Tks!

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Hi MB, I'm not going to get involved with this, as I have a bad case of tennis elbow (literally), and can barely type. Cheers,

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added it back, describing the removal as "vandalism". This violated the prohibition against restoring controversial material.

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I'd imagine Terzic Vol 2 would be a good place to start, but I haven't seen a reference to that type of thing myself as yet.

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is rapidly devolving into an edit war. RfCs and the intervention of two to three outside neutral editors has failed. The

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Unfortunately, things like that happen sometimes, and I'm afraid I have no control over it. Thank you for understanding.

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Well deserved PM, and happy new year b.t.w! It was good to see some new 'uns in the mix too. A good lineup. Cheers mate

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What "Persistent disruptive editing" are you talking about and what "Failure to engage on talk" are you talking about?

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I'm glad to see you're moving forward with getting the article to A-class. Feel free to ask if I can help in any way.--

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The IPs are too wide for a block, and both articles are semi'd. I'll have a look at the individual IPs though. Cheers,

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In case you missed it... a new article has popped up. I don't really see a need for it myself, given the existence of

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Hello, Peacemaker67. This message is intended to notify administrators of important changes to the protection policy.

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Hello Peacemaker. I saw a similar note on Hut 8.5's talk page and I am going to copy a comment that I left there:

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I apologize, I miss not just to follow simple instructions, but it seems I don't have idea about Knowledge at all.

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but because they're not written by Americans about Americans they must be in inherently untrustworthy in his eyes.

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Bofors and TTs were their only armament, while according to Brescia and Jane's, they were also equipped with a MG.

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I know that it was about the language, one obvious reason being that there is no such thing as "Austrian English".

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when clearly he is the one stalking other editors! In fact, all he can ever talk about is this other editor named

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Need help with enforcing the outcome of an ANI that DennisBrown presided over, that you were intimately involved.

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Peacemaker67, this hasn't actually failed; what's happened is that when you renamed the article and talk page to

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I would suggest ANI regarding that one editor, based on failure to accept consensus. Good luck with it. Cheers,

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Theodor_Scherer&type=revision&diff=741679416&oldid=741670600

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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If there was ever a case where an editor needs to be indeffed topic banned it is this troublemaker TTAAC:

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and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a

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I'd like you to consider nominating yourself as a coordinator. You'd certainly have my support! Regards,

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I don't know who you are, I'm posting here because of Peacemakers sentence "Failure to engage on talk".

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Re-added the sentence after it was deleted as controversial. They quickly reverted themselves, but then

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Arbitration Enforcement Needed following blatant WP:NPA violations by Disruptive User Previously Warned

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for December 15, 2016. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at

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Have a prosperous, productive and wonderful New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Knowledge.

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are the norm—indeed, even the sock is more scrupulous with the facts than SPECIFICO! The notion that

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Do I have to ask for consensus for that or what? I'm not allowed to ask for that before consensus?

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shape for an FA. If you don't have the time/inclination, no worries: just thought I'd ask. Regards,

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Extended confirmed protection may only be used in cases where semi-protection has proven ineffective

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Apparently you had the WP one because your name is on our records (?). Anyhow, you've got mail...

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Sorry, that's how I did it... And I also copied some of the formatting from another user's page...

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Thank you for your time and sorry for the overly thorough nature of this report! Happy Holidays.

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I posted something on the Yugoslav Partisans Talk Page, would love for you to LMK what you think!

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The simple instruction is to raise your concerns on the talk page of the Greater Serbia article.

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This is my first Wiki edit ever, and I would really like to hear an explanation from Peacemaker.

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behavior. Before DennisBrown resigned from Knowledge he clearly warned TTAAC very directly here

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Yes, you are missing the ability to follow simple instructions. Please move this discussion to

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I had the free 7-day access, not the WP one. Will let you know when I get the renewal. Thanks,

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Voting for the Military history WikiProject Historian and Newcomer of the Year is ending soon!

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digger in keeping the boogyman from destroying what passes for freedom in this cruel world...

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It looks like another content fork we could do without, I've watchlisted it for now. Cheers,

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You should also drop the stick, the RfC is over. The thing you did here is plain disruptive:

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I've never violated 1RR on any article related to American Politics; this has already been

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It's not about which version the article was (originally) written in, but which version it

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It regularly stretches my patience, but exercising patience just makes it stronger... :-)

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I actually thought it made less readable. But I agree, it is not that big a deal. Cheers,

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You should borrow it and have a read, I'd be interested in your impression of it. Cheers,

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If you wish to discuss this further, the talk page of the article is the correct venue.

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You have posted an opinion - Persistent disruptive editing: Failure to engage on talk.

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I think I've faithfully reflected the sources now. Let me know what you think? Cheers,

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months before we appraise its effectiveness. Your participation will be most welcome.

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Knowledge:WikiProject Military history/Roman and Byzantine Military History task force

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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from

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I guess, because he was who he was, did what he did, said or did not say things, etc.

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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these

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was formed) 'as well as in 1945' (when the communist anti-fascists prevailed and the

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I still can't see what was disruptive editing by my side, especially "persistent".

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I still can't see what was disruptive editing by my side, especially "persistent".

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means. In addition, please click on the links in the warning message that was left

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crashed during a test flight when its windscreen detached and half a wing broke off?

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Again, sorry to bother you with some dumb Balkan quarrel, but can you semi-protect

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What other fixes do you think I ought to make before submitting the FA nomination?

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Maybe we can solve this if you advise me how to ask for the origin of some term.

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Nick-D discusses recent works on the British and Australian Armies in World War I

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unless consensus is against it (which it doesn't appear to be thus far). Cheers,

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Hi! Thanks for reviewing the article. Where do you want me to put the comments?--

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Yes, that's what I said, wasn't it? "There's no such thing as Austrian English".

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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the discussion about Wolff (rather than wider issues) as best you can. Cheers,

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If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at

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Thanks very much. And well done on being elected to the coord team! Regards,

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as a "hoax"; not supposed to remove longstanding material without consensus.

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Thanks. I didn't give it the thought it needed. Should have done it myself.

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Ironically, in a fit of projecting, TTAAC childishly accuses his victim of

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Hawkeye7 looks at America's nuclear capability at the start of the Cold War

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was formed), as well as that Croatia needed to apologize to no one for the

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