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images by Kimbei. And most of the other links that you edited out had even more images and often extensive biographical content. I used the site in question, because it often has good editorial material on photographers and a large number of photographs that are just not any where else on the web and can be brought together under one simple URL address, making it a good reference builder. Just an FYI--the very first external link on this page (Kimbei article) is that of a commercial dealer in Asian images. His site is still an excellent and pertinent resource, IMHO, and so should probably stay. Frankly I would probably have added him and the other non-commercial resource, which I use regularly. When I read the
Knowledge directions on this, they seem to say that commercial sites could be used as link references when they have a unique or important perspective on a given topic. If you agree, would you mind me adding a number of commercial (and, of course, non-commercial) sources that I might normally use in my research anyway, as long as they were clearly on point and had something important to add? Also, as you note, it is hard to get copyright permission for images after 1923 and even be sure of it prior to that date, so what if commercial sites are the best alternative to showing depth for a specific photographer?
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on the subjects linked to. As I understand it and reviewing the same pages in question, I see much more commercial links on these page, which frankly I am trying to avoid. On a number of photographers I was simply adding each link to a biography and a special exhibit of images by those photographers or to a substantive group of photographs by the specific photographer for research. I also intend later to at least build stubs for a number of important photographers that are not yet in the system, because I have substantial bio information that I have written on several hundred photographers. I am also not certain how one disagrees with another
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located in the site. There is a very good directory where you can find everything about Playa del Carmen. After that you have a comprehensive navigable map of the city that allows you to locate easily what you need to find. Everything is free! The site wants to be a portal that gives the opportunity to the internet user to find what they want and how to contact a specific shop, hotel and restaurant. All these information are added for free, without any cost. If you look the portal, you will see a sign up section where everybody, without any cost, can join to the system. Only in the case that a specific company wants to put an advertising, we charge it. Every site uses this system.
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purpose and is written by me. I am an entrepreneur of 23 years, a lecturer at the London
Business School teaching MBA students on the topic so I feel qualified on the topic. Also, my articles run into 100s pages so I don't think it makes sense to discuss them all on the page. Therefore I have added a link to my pages so others with an interest in the topic can visit. SURELY this is the point of external links and resources??
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was the point I was trying to make (albeit at your expense - I apologize; no offense intended). I believe you have to read one section in conjunction with the others it's grouped with. That study didn't mesh. It also didn't say just who was the group who solved the poverty problem, or whatever. So, the section was like a hanging chad - no one could reasonably understand why it was there.
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understand why you have removed the external links. For example I have added a link to TuxMobil.org a resource about Linux on
Laptops, which provides a free service since almost ten years. The site is sponsored by some (decent IMHO) ads. It provides links to almost 6,000 Linux laptop installation reports. You seem to have left the link to
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You kindly pointed out I am new to wiki and removed an external link to my blog. I understand why you would remove links, in this case from the word entrepreneur, but like the othrs I see completely pointless and unhelpful links already in the notes. My blog is free, has no adverts, has no commercial
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As to your original (and admirable) intensions, it can be difficult to find good ways to illustrate articles. We have to avoid commercial links as assiduously as possible precicely because so many people see
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article. You have explained the removal at my talk page and pointed me to the appropriate WikiPedia guidelines for external links. Thank you for your friendly response. I have to admit that I have looked for these special guidelines before but didn't find them. I have read them now. But I still don't
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In any case, I note you removed the aforementioned link. While the link does not follow the theme of the article it is important to salmon. In short, I see why you deleted it, but may I request that in the future you move such doubious items to discussion. As such, I may decide if it may be of value.
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Stop to delete links that are not commercial! Mwanner, I think that before you should try to answer to all our questions before to delete something. This media is not yours. Here you have the possibility to answer to our question and explain your idea. This doesn't mean that your idea can be ok. But
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I have added that link because I always knew that if somebody has something to give to the comunity regarding a specific thema is always welcome. I don't think that that site is commercial. Every page is complety free and we don't sell the possibility to navigate the site and to take the information
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Well, the U.S. rules are horribly complicated; it can be "70 years p.m.a", or "95 years after publication", or "120 years since creation". "100 years p.m.a." might look like a useful rule of thumb, but in fact the U.S. rules are much more based on publication dates, and thus I fear that 100y-rule is
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Spokane. I don't know where you're at, but I grew up in that town and care very much about how it presents to the outside world. Some esoteric study on poverty levels doesn't fit with anything else in the neighborhoods section. That
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First, thanks for your note, and yes, you did it correctly. I'm sorry that I jumped to the conclusion that you were a spammer-- you're edits yesterday fit the profile in a lot of ways, and you appeared to be pushing the site www.iphotocentral.com, which is clearly engaged in online retail trade. I
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Thanks for your clarification, suggestions and pleasant civility. That is all very helpful to a newbie like myself. But I have a question: the sites that you list as examples of alternatives to the one I used only show one image by Kimbei, and the link I had put up connected directly to a dozen
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I understand that you do not want commercial links posted on Knowledge, and all posts that I have made were relevant to the content on the sites. Can you offer any advice for future posts so that I can avoid making any errors? Or am I going to have to jump through my monitor and take care of you
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Dear Mwanner, Thanks for getting in touch. I am not posting any commercial or generic links. The articles I post are specifically related to the entries and are meant to offer an interesting perspective not necessarily appropriate to be included in the main body of the article. This is what I
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I understand your wanting to stay on top of things. If you'll allow me to warden the salmon page, I'll be responsible for any movement to the talkpage. Hence, this should reduce your overhead by one meager page. ;-) However, don't let this stop you from taking any action you deem necessary.
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As for the manner in which I offer changes, I will certainly avoid handling it that way again. You are right, and I'm sorry. But in answer to your specific suggestion, that I offer improvements, I believe I was doing exactly that and will continue to do so. We all own that page.
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I see you restored a paragraph about Saratoga being the first battle with large amount of troops on both sides. I don't want to get into a revert war with you (I see your other good edits elsewhere). So could you add a reference to that comment? The
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I have put the following link back on the Migraine page as it provides a significant amount of information on triptans. I have contributed to this page several times over the years, and don't know why you're suddenly deleting links that I added to it.
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was removed from this page's external links. While granted the page does include ads I believe it does include substantial information that would be of interest to someone wishing to learn more about this particular location in Hawaii.
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Thanks for your concern. I redirected the article because, frankly, it wasn't an article. It was a research paper. It was fundamentally beyond cleanup. Finally, there is no deletion element in redirection; anyone is free to revert me.
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If I am misunderstanding what is allowed or sensible do let me know? Right now i am trying to enrich the resource, whereas the other links seem to be commercial or useless links...they should be removed and mine should be left!
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was an American victory that used pretty conventional tactics. The comments about France are mentioned elswhere in the article. To me the paragraph is unnecessary and inaccurate or covered elsewhere. Thanks.
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a lot of people working hard to keep them out, our articles would be burried in spam. Nevertheless, there are, generally, non-commercial sites carrying the kind of images you're looking for (see, for example
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