857:. I saw you made wholesale changes to this article and to my contributions to this article. I do not consider them all to be improvements. I am disappointed you did not raise any of these in the talk page of the article first. I have not restored my work or undone anything, however I have made various edit to help improve this article. If you wish to make any further changes to the history section of the article, please can you discuss this first in the article's talk page; otherwise I shall treat any edits I deem significant which are made to the article itself on your part to be vandalism and harassment and I shall report it. Thank you. --
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accompanies these AfDs, as an experiment why don't we all refrain from participating in this particular AfD for a few days. Let some new people consider an X-Y relations AfD without all of our chatter, and see if they can do any better at achieving consensus. And then after 3 or 4 days, we can all jump in, and express our opinions. The idea here is not exclude us from participating but rather to try to create a little space for fresh opinions." You think this would be useful for this or a future AfD?
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make this decision, probably. Once the decision is made, then, if it is decided that stubs are not appropriate, many individual AfDs for organizations with minimal independent coverage could be handled with a single AfD. However, Merge is probably a more appropriate response in that case, allowing less cumbersome editorial control, and we could merge many articles quickly. Merges, as well, do not lose the work that may have been done on individual articles.
1157:, I have a suggestion for you that could save some aggravation. Request a speedy close of the AfDs you have filed, pending the formation of consensus on the issue of a proposed intrinsic notability of a (1) national organization that is (2) recognized as a national member of a notable international organization, allowing use of stubs if needed. Under those conditions, the national society meets the literal criteria stated at WP:ORG: national scope
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accepting the speedy request from you, re-open, which I would support. I will also, if you desire, make these speedy requests myself, but I would not do that without your permission. Thanks for considering this. The reason for the speedy close would be something like "pending consensus on this class of article, please close without prejudice, allowing re-opening if the discussion doesn't turn out to be moot." --
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114:. However Norway is for me another case. What can I do to assure you that the country combinations I added are not frivolous, they are legitimate articles which should definitely exist? (you even removed Soviet, a neighboring country of Norway.) Having them as redlinks in the template facilitates the articles' creation by someone. I'll even create a few myself in the near future.
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I have finally finished the more mechanical part of cleaning up "Foreign" relations of articles. I am not going look at any more stubs, although there are still quite a lot to be cleaned out. For some reason, Bulgaria escaped my merging frenzy, among others. Next step for me is to add more articles
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Since the report, he hadn't edited in almost an hour. Also, I wasn't sure how the talk page edits were vandalism. It wasn't obvious. It is an AIV requirement that the vandalism be recent, ongoing and obvious. Since he has stopped, we need not take action at the moment to protect the encyclopedia. If
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Sorry, but citing stuff is not something I generally do unless i'm creating an article myself. I don't have the time or the inclination to do so. Besides, adding the sources is enough to establish notability. They don't have to be used as references in order to have their notability be recognized.
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independent source. The basic "independent source" is the international organization, which is independent of the national one, the subject of the stub. If this turns out to be accepted, then debate over notability of these stubs is moot. If not, then you could request that the closing admin,
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Please don't yank this one - let it run its course. I don't expect to contribute more, but will watch it. It is hard to see how the relations with any country other then neighbors can be significant for a 3-year-old country with 600,000 people. But are they notable? Let's see if there are any
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Romania Beats Norway 1-0 in Soccer Match (Jun 13, 1955) is surely enough to establish notability on its own - and you cut it out! Seriously, this kind of mundane article should be very low priority. Easy to expand, but there are lots of editors working on
European subjects.
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Are you confirming with your grace of being the one to tell others what is right and wrong that flag are permitted in the nationality sections? Please find relevance where it says NO for the nationality section.
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I believe I used different search parameters than did you... and came up with 27 g-news hits since 2002. It is not much, certainly... but sometimes it is strangly difficult to source stuff from
Australia. Best,
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