User talk:Ian (Wiki Ed)/Archive 2

920:, and I had a quick question for you. I want to upload a couple of pictures to the article. The first is from a website called the Protein Data Bank (PDB). PDB is a databank containing many protein crystal structures as well as articles about different kinds of proteins, and its free for anyone to use. I've downloaded an image from one of these articles using a software known as Swiss PDB Viewer, which allows you to edit the picture yourself to show certain aspects of the protein that you wish to point out. The source of the picture is from a freely available journal article, but I've edited the picture to suit my purposes, so would that picture be considered a "free work" or a "fair use?" The second picture I'll be uploading is from a chemistry tool known as ChemDraw. This tool allows you to draw molecules yourself and turn them into picture files. I've drawn the metal ion in the active site of the protein that I'm studying, as well as the ligands that surround it. The idea of the picture that I've drawn is from a research article that is NOT freely available to all users, but the picture itself is original since I've drawn it myself. Would this picture be ok to use in my article, and if so, would it be free work or fair use? 293:

times before (they need new topics), A lot of their edits are not very good (understandably, these are kids), and it appears that the students are (understandably) just trying to satisfy the expectations of the teacher in terms of length of their contributions and the number of (often flimsy) references. Another problem is that these students are approaching these chemicals with an attitude the chemicals are evil with only dire effects. Many of these chemicals have problematic effects, but NPOV requires that editors approach topics with a more neutral perspective. Any intervention or help that you can offer them would really help the students and the instructor. One problem is that the instructor barely edits at Knowledge, so this is a situation where Knowledge is asked to do the babysitting. --

656:. We spent three years learning to answer O Level essay questions, and two more learning to write A Level essays. To write well, you need to write a lot. We did three subjects at A Level, and even me, a total slacker, put five hours a night into homework. The American high school system, with its emphasis on extracurriculars, would never have time for that, nor would undergrads with their jobs and internships. And who would have the time to grad that stuff? Not faculty who are expected to have their exams graded in days (we had a month to grade, if memory serves me - and needed it!) 1293:

my Sandbox to remain consistent with gene and protein nomenclature for the different model organisms that I talk about, but I'm worried that I am making my description too complicated. For example, when I name a gene or protein, I tried to provide abbreviations for that protein or gene, but the gene and protein nomenclature requires that I present that information in differing formats. I might write about Period protein (PER) one sentence, and then need to write about period gene and want to refer to it as "

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maintain fluidity and cohesion in our article (we are having trouble finding where to put that information in our current article). There are only two degradates, monomethyl tetrachloroterephthalic acid and tetrachloroterephthalic acid, and we are currently researching those as well as researching our topic chemical. Would we be allowed to create new pages for these two chemicals? Thank you in advance for your help.

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previously, which limits the student's ability to contribute (the searches get more difficult). I am afraid that the students will put in a lot of (unsupervised) effort, they will then encounter a lot of flack from Wiki editors, and then everyone will be disappointed. This conflict could be averted with more planning and involvement up front from the instructor. I dont know about the situation Knowledge-Biology but

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and leaving us to do the work. The writing skill level I have seen this week has been quite an eye opener -- one that has made me appreciate the education my children had (they knew how to write in high school). Either the students don't much care about what they plop in, or their writing skills truly are on a middle school level. I can't imagine them being able to digest a scholarly journal article.

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I've never used) I've never paid attention to the article guidelines for chemistry. I saw this class through a biological lens and thought a lot about getting the point of MEDRS compliance across. Ironic, since I get annoyed when MEDRS is sometimes applied in a heavy-handed way to ethnobotanical and chemical information in plant articles (which is where my real interests in Knowledge have always been).

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differing model organisms). Is there a way that I can redirect an abbreviation, specifically "CK1e" TO my wikipedia page, as there is currently only one casein kinase 1 epsilon page (and one for the family)? (I am under the impression that the redirect page concerns redirects FROM a page--the other way around.)

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We would like to upload a chart from a psychology article, published in a psychological journal and scanned online. We took a screen capture of the image we needed and wanted to be sure it is allowable to upload. The article is available online on Google scholar, but is copyrighted by the Association

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The students in my Cornell University class are going to move their articles from the sandbox into the live space. They have been instructed on the correct way to move an article, so should go smoothly. In addition, we will be conducting peer evaluation and feedback of each article this Friday. We

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1. I was wondering about the Knowledge policy for gene and protein names. I looked on the Knowledge:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology/Style Guide (gene and protein articles), but I'm not sure it has what I'm looking for. Specifically, I have tried to look through my draft of the new page in

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page. I've communicated with smokefoot several times, and he believes that this is the the only way he can get their attention (he characterizes his comments as 'semi-shrill'). My students, and myself, are feeling bullied by his crass, insulting comments, and he could 'get their attention' much more

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Ian, thanks for your warm welcomes for my class! We are unfortunately experiencing some extremely not-so-warm comments from Smokefoot on many of my students pages. For example: "When you say "different chemicals that are polymerized" you sound chemically illiterate. It will be difficult for someone

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I'm really glad that you pinged me because, to be perfectly honest, I have never paid enough attention to the Chemistry WikiProject. I've always been a biology editor myself, and though I have a deep affection for chemistry and once thought I wanted to be a biochemist (resulting in an undergrad major

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I am a student from Education Program:University of Toronto/CHM437S Bioinorganic Chemistry (Winter 2015). My article is ATP7A. Before moving it live, I would like to make my picture larger (please see my sandbox: the picture titled "Proposed structure of copper-transporting protein ATP7A"). It seems

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and would like to thank you greatly for the warm welcome and cookies (they were virtually delicious)! I am new to Wiki but am greatly excited to partake in this massive collaboration of human brainpower! Looking forward to reading and taking note of your edits, comments and suggestions - please keep

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I'm more and more convinced that today's undergrads (or at least those that are forced to edit Knowledge by their prof) simply don't have either the research or the writing skills to be able to effectively add anything to an encyclopedia. Profs are simply asking too much of them, across the board,

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It has long been curious to me that, while students have access to superior sources via databases full of journals, they rarely use those kinds of sources. Considering that the grammatical content of most of the recent student edits are on about a sixth or seventh grade level (that is, mid-teens),

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page with two partners, and we are in the process of researching and discussing the toxicology and degradation of the chemical. Most of the toxicology, however, is a result of these degradates, and we believe it would be a good idea to create separate pages to discuss these degradates in order to

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I feel the same way about most of the writing on Knowledge, even the stuff that gets past FAC, or gets submitted to journals. The hardest part of doing either FAC reviews or real peer reviews is not getting side-tracked by the quality of the writing. Undergrads, it seems to me, write no worse than

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careful about this when sections rely on a single source (Entman). We can present tables and we can obviously present the work of individual researchers but offering both and suggesting to the reader a conclusion means we risk importing too much of the view of one source in our article. Does that

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Please look through my edits related to the course on environmental problems with various chemicals. Students forced to contribute to chemistry articles have not always been very helpful. It appears that the teacher is tasking the students to re-re-edit articles that this course has hit several

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Hey Ian! My name is Arjun and I am in the Comm 375 Class at UMass Amherst! I was hoping you could take a look at my sandbox and see my first article and let me know what your thoughts are! I am most concerned about bias, I want to ensure that this article is informative not biased in any manner.

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Not to be too negative, but I dont see much basis for " seems to have run successfully a couple times." Editor training is fine, but the real issue is the quality of the content and supporting references. To make matters worse, as I mentioned, these articles have been the focus of this course

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gene/protein two weeks ago called "White Collar-1." We made significant edits and updates to the page between 1900 CST and 0200 CST last night after doing more research. However, we double checked this morning and saw that all of those edits have been removed. Is there any way to recover those

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Could be. I've often found my students to be intimidated by peer-reviewed journals. There's probably also the fact that if you're off campus, you need to log in to {something} to use your university's resources. And there's habit - Google tells you everything you need to know about everything.

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2. I have tried asking my student wiki editors (put in place by my professor), and looking on wikipedia (on the redirect page), and I'm not sure that I can do what I want to do. Anyway, I thought I'd ask. Specifically, casein kinase 1 epsilon has many alternative abbreviations (likely due to

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Hi, I Could use your help in making my wikipage, I got an image from wikimedia common regarding a photo I uploaded over there. I took a snapshot of couple images from this study. then I used adope illustrator to reorganize the pictures and put new captions on them. And now I got this message

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The point of student assignments should be the contribution of good content, just another step on the path toward "the sum total of human knowledge". In some areas it works really well. If it's not working in chemistry, I'd like to figure out what it would take to make student edits (mostly)

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Hello Ian! Thank you for the comments about linking more to other articles and about spelling out abbreviations that haven't been introduced. It didn't occur to me that people may not be able to access some information (behind a pay wall due to limited access to academic journals).

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under the section for criteria. I cannot figure out what the author did. How do us and our students deal with this kind of issues? Shall we edit the page, post on the talk page of the article or try to find in the history who made the mistake? Please advise. Thank you.

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On the other hand, we also have students linking to university proxy servers instead of journal websites - which is especially frustrating when they just drop a bare url... Anyway, it may well be that we're assuming more knowledge of journals than many undergrads have.

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Hey Ian thank you for all your help this past semester, I am in a communication class at University of Massachusetts Amherst and you have really been helpful navigating Knowledge! I have one final favor to ask, I am trying to make sure that my article

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for Psychological Science. In searching, we could not find an image of the graph already, which is why we took our own. We have the article and are able to cite to it. We just would want to be sure it is allowable to use before we upload it.

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might be useful (though I remember having a student complain that using the sources Google Scholar turned up would cost them $ 35 an article. At which point I discovered that they had no idea of the journal subscriptions that they had access

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So when we changed the title of our sandbox2 page to 'Richmond Nature Park', a heading came up stating the following just above our intro: "This sandbox is in the User talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the

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I am experiencing technical problems in my Sandbox: when I start to add in text references to my article, my headings and even my contents start to disappear... I don't know why this happened. Would you please help me with this?

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article to the actual Knowledge article. However, the article wasn't completely finished and still contains some errors. Is it possible to reverse the page back to what it was before? Or is it fine in your opinion? Thanks,

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Thank you Ian for the welcome! I am part of the group responsible for editing the Casein kinase 1 epsilon page on Knowledge for WashU's Biological Clocks course, and I was wondering if you could help me with two questions:

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Generally via Knowledge. Joking aside, I think this is actually an important point, and one that I should stress in my notes to students. "High quality reliable sources" may not be clear, "review articles" even less so.

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Thank you for your feedback, I will implement your suggestions shortly. As far as where I was thinking of going with the article, I was thinking of it as a stand alone article. Do you think that this is advisable?

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hi Ian thanks in advance for the help because I seem to be fumbling through right and I probably will have my share questions in the future...and thanks for the pages..Yobandaik 18:26, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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with such a weak grasp of our language to contribute useful content? Maybe there are less technical articles worth considering for your class? --Smokefoot (talk) 17:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)" on this page

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Hi, I have a question: I completed the student orientation, but still the dashboard says I didn't do so. Did I miss something? I was logged in and I even was able to give feedback. Thanks for your help

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effectively, and constructively (inspiring action instead of outrage) by being more courteous. Would you mind looking into what he's saying to my students? Here's some of my interaction with him.

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Wow, you're quick. Just saw the feedback to 2-factor group. I'm sure they'll be proud to get such positive comments. Again, please send me some information on fast-tracking new articles. Thanks!

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and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

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it occurs to me that students may prefer accessing the popular press and dumbed down websites because they may not be able to comprehend content at the level of writing used by most journals.

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the average Knowledge contributor - and a lot better than many I've encountered. There's no logical way we should have ever managed to create the encyclopaedia we created. But somehow we did.

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I gave Pvilafl and HunterTharp feedback on their drafts. Lehession had already posted to mainspace, and gotten feedback from other editors (I see they have added some more since yesterday).

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Hi Ian - Thank you for taking the time to review the student pages. I'm going to ping my students here because there are others who are enrolled on my course page who are at other schools

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Hi Ian. Thanks of the help. How do i check to see if my students are completing the assignments i have given them? e.g have they done the online training or have they edited an article?

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I sincerely appreciate the kind welcome I received from you! I can bet I will probably need help at some point this semester, so it's nice to know I already have someone to help me! :)

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Hi Ian, Thanks I really appreciate that! This is my first time making a Knowledge page and to be honest I'm a little nervous. I'll keep your offer in mind when I'm writing my article.

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Ian, This is Jami in a workshop with a student at NDSU. She had some great questions about images and copyright. Do you know/have advice about how to find the information on when

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or Google image search. That's a pretty good suggestion that this version of the image is an original creation for the web site that uses it (and is thus copyright). The

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Hi, Ian, I am a student in the CHM437 class and wanted to go live with my article on siderocalin. I have made some changes, and was wondering how to proceed. Thanks,

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I wonder if I could have your permission and advice before posting my page for Eosinophil peroxidase live. Is the style of my Sandbox article quite alright?

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Thanks Ian, for the great feedback you are giving my students. I will try to cut your work down a bit by passing along comments that apply to other groups.

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I am student from the Psy 327 class at Miami University. I was hoping you could help us out with explaining some of the copyright info about pictures.

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doesn't sound essayish could you take a look and let me know and also let me know if you have any final pieces of advice for the article. Thank you!

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There ought to be, as one of the early steps in the tutorials, an exercise of accessing a recent issue of a commonly-available academic journal (say,

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I resolved the problem! Although I still don't know what errors I made the first place. I just got rid off all the previous citations and it worked.

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is the language of hearts and is the feeling that joins two souls and brings two hearts together in a bond. Taking love to the level of

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them coming, it's super helpful and it's people like you that make Wiki the powerhouse that it is! Great job! Again thank you!

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and thanks again for your work on the SPSSI article. I'm wondering whether they'll be able to make all these changes in time.

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Hi Ian, I have a question: I just received a notification saying my userpage is "patrolled." What does that mean? Thank you!

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it would be very challenging for unsupervised non-chemistry majors to contribute meaningfully to a Wiki-Chem article

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Message me if you ever want to talk, and please let me know if you find anyone interested in medicine in my region.

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This suggests that African Americans are treated less humanely and in a less individualistic way than Caucasians

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We're students in the Biological Clocks class at Wash U. Two of my classmates and I created a Wiki page for the

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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We walked uphill, both ways, through the snow. :) But seriously - as an undergrad (and before, that, for

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Seriously, in some cases, even that won't help. Have a look at any contrib, anywhere, so far from

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template". Any suggestions for what to do about this? were not sure. Let me know when you can!

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but it is always resetting to what was previously on there. How can I change this? Thanks!

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Hey Ian! I am trying to change the wording on the side bar for the article I started called

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Looked at JG's talk page after checking nomophobie. I agree - citations seemed fine to me.

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yes to all of that (including the routine distraction of pedestrian prose at FAC)

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Thank you for your help and suggestions! You have answered all of my questions!

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I want to go live with my wikipedia article I have been working on as part of my

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I can't fault people for not being able to do what they never learned to do.

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typical psych course problems. My first encounter with the course was at

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Details in the email. Let me know if that's not what you were asking.

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That's not a bad idea. I don't write tutorials, but I'll bring it up.

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in the "Thanks for help, Smokefoot and welcome to my new semester".

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I really want to use this figure. Tell me how I can pull this off?

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Thank you for reminding me to put ] in my final article! I won't

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You were editing the wrong template. I'll try to sort this out.

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Thanks again for your feedback on the Metapsychology article.

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Please let me know! Also how do you reference (cite) tables?

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Thanks for all the work you do for the Education Program.

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Thanks for letting me know. I will take a look at them.

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Hello Ian. Would you please support this class with me?

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Hey Ian, I noticed you added my sandbox article on the

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Dear Ian, I'm currently editing the Knowledge page on

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course I am taking. My current draft is found in my

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/User_talk:AmmarBanafea

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Hi Ian! Thanks for the Welcome. I am from Trinidad!

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