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under the section on "Lower Court" decisions. I removed the blatantly incorrect statements (the court did not describe these statements as defamatory, as was stated - the court said most were non-defamatory opinion). I tried to keep it all NPOV. The quote of the actual email is still without citation, so I moved the 'no citations' tag down with it. Please take a look and tell me what you think. I personally think that the actual email quotes (except for the one at issue, about stalking) are superfluous and distracting. But I am open on that, as long as it is not misrepresented. I left the POV tag, too, as I wanted input from some rational editors. Yes, I suppose Knowledge is a bit addictive. And I simply despise bullies, of any stripe. I guess that is why I do the work I do. Ā ;-)
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many references, both within the article and at the end of the article. We had more references but were told to reduce them and have more internal referneces within Knowledge, which we did where possible; 2) Your cleanup in October of references deleted the sources as refererences and now you are stating that there are not enough references. You need to be very specific in what you mean by references. We believe this article is properly referenced. 3) As for the article being abridged, we had shortened it, but Design Methods has many linkages. We will try to shorten it further. I request that you delete the banners at the top of the page and instead use the comments page to have other wiki's help. (
263:. I reverted his edits, and he filed a complaint against me. An admin friend of Droliver opened another An/I against me after Curtis' complaint was closed, for past 'misdeeds'. (I have edited by one other name, jgwlaw, since I have first edited Knowledge about 6 months or so ago). I find it interesting that Droliver has continued to revert DrZuckerman's edits, and attacked her personally, without censure. DrZuckerman is a Yale-trained epidemiologist, so I am not sure how she is remotely less qualified than Droliver (from Univ of South Alabama) to edit (Oliver is a "plastic surgeon"). But that is not important in Knowledge, I know. Here was my edit on Arthur's page 376:
attorney did not know the legal meaning of "malice" in the context of defamation. The courts pointed this out. This has nothing to do with whether most of IR's statements were inflammatory, or even 'false' - hyperbole and opinion are never defamatory. I can call Joe Bloe a "fascist Nazi commie pinky nutcase" and it would not be defamatory. Even if Joe Bloe were Bill Gates. Why? Because these statements are hyperbole, and opinion. They may have been made maliciously (in the colloqial meaning). Doesn't matter. So Curtis' edits in the article don't make sense. Even the lower courts didn't bother determining "truth" of opinions, that were not factual statements.
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Knowledge is about. For the latter, although it may be unlikely that they'll ever become productive editors, they may still have friends and kids and whatever to whom they may relate their experience - positive or negative - when they embarked into the unknown in their editing. And no, unfortunately there is no one here but us editors to deal with 90+% of the problems we encounter - admins should only be invoked for tougher cases and/or bringing down the hammer. And yes, Knowledge should offer a lot more help to editors trying to clean up things; all we can do is do our best and see what happens.
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deleted. This would be unfortunate and work against the very reason Knowledge exists. We have asked you to be specific as to what needs verification or clarification, and you have not provided any examples leaving us to "guess" at what you want. We have therefore come to the conclusion that whatever we do will not suffice. We ask that a third party be brought aboard to help (maybe some of the original reviewers which can be found in the archived discussions). We are trying to be reasonable, and ask you to do the same. (
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a group critical of a certain class of businesses, or practices. The BBB is different. The Center for Science is not as poorly written as NCAHF, with its overuse of quotes. Although, it too uses too many quotes. And yes, I would agree with respect to the bias steering the edits. To some extent, that is true on both sides, but the worst "pro" NCAHF et al was Curtis who seems to have disappeared.
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by those NCAHF attacks. Just dumping one quote after another is not writing, let alone coherent writing. If all the quotes address the same issue, then what is the point except repetition? To be honest, I don't think I have even read all of the quotes, and I am marginally interested in the article. And that is what is wrong with the section - it is not readable .
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and seeks a "fat-tax" on hamburgers, french fries and soft drinks." Bob Barr, a former US Congressman, while admitting he is "completely unqualified to issue scientific opinions", says that CSPI does not conduct research but carries out smear campaigns against scientists who publish research which contradicts their ideas.
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Libertarian "free-market" groups like The Heartland Institute, claim that the Center's name is deceptive, and challenge the findings of (). Another "free-market" group, the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, claims that CSPI resorts to fear-mongering to attack food products and restaurnts,
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Critics of (the center) include lobbiests for food industries and "free-market" libertarians. The Center for Consumer Freedom, a U.S. lobbiest funded by the fast food, meat, and tobacco industries, criticizes CSPI through one of its websites. CCF regards CSPI as part of the "food police" and claims
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Ronz, we are not sure why you are so determined to delete design methods. If you took time to review the extensive comments about this article, you would appreciate the time and effort that has gone into this article. We strongly disagree that since you don't understand it, it should be broken up and
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As for removing the link to the white papers on how to design corporate sites, no big deal ad I understand that the company posting these articles is probably doing it to drum up business. I am wondering if there is an external source that describes what a corporate site is supposed to look like and
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You removed the content from Montalbano Innovation and Development Inc....I feel that the information I posted on MIDIs Development process and methodologies is usefull giving information to the industrial design and product development community. I am not infringing copyrights....I part owner of the
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IF Joe Bloe were not Bill Gates, but your neighbor down the street who is not a public figure, then the standard is not "actual malice" but "negligence". That is a lower bar to proving defamation. However, even then, hyperbole and opinion would not be considered statements of fact. The question of
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Suggesting you needed to have your vision checked was exceptionally rude, and I understand your anger, but the templatized message doesn't help. Please consider striking it and letting bygones be bygones. Also, do you have an interest in one of the articles, or did you get involved in this some other
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except that it appears the critics are the typical anti-regulation-of-any-sort. But that is a topic for another day. Laissez-faire economics has never been laissez-faire. The question is more accurately which side is getting the fare. The Center for Science seems to be more like NCAHF in being
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The Butterfly comments may present an opportunity to reorganize the criticism section. However, her arguments comparing this article to "Flat Earth Theory" are not logical. This is not an article about alternative medicine. It is an article about a group that criticizes alternative medicine &
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I have occasionally mentioned this, but apparently other users who literally hate them feel that they are exceptions to the rule and are fair game for the worst kinds of attacks. If you want to read really serious personal attacks at Knowledge against me that have never been punished, just email me.
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in an attempt to justify "notability". The subject of the article does not look like any saint (that's an understatement) but he is a licensed attorney. He is also not notable except for his obnoxious ads in his local area. This is beyond my "Knowledge" experience, but it looks like this author
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One more question. "Corporate website" shows up when I do a search but it's not showing up as a live link in other articles or, say, in your message. IIs there a delay period or is there something wrong with the article? I'll read through the introductory material to see if it says anything about
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Ronz: I am somwhat surprised at the four flags for this article. This particular topic has gone through more review by more people than most articles and has been very responsive in making corrections when asked. Your issues are too broad and you do not offer clear suggestions: 1) The article offers
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The statement of the case (in the article here on WIkipedia) is now factually incorrect. At issue is the republication of one statement against one of the two plaintiffs. I do not know if this will help, but I am not going to edit that article, or any other right now. I might add that plaintiff's
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When looking at the actual quotes, it is evident that the sentence about The Heartland Institute says nothing. One needs to look at that article to see if there are complaints similar to the other "free-market" group cited, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. Then one could combine the two
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Perhaps. Although I don't know that those are quite the same, either. I'll have to think about it. see my comments on the talk page. The quotes are tedious. Forget whether they are 'fair' or not - that is not relevant. What is relevant is whether there is a coherent explanation of the response
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If it is still similar to an article posted on the subject, so be it, perhaps it is almost accurate. That does not warrant a complete deletion. But it has changed, and is a work in progress by the Wiki community. Feel free to contribute if you believe it can be greatly improved. The very first post
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that is up for AfD (a second time)? Sarah is helping out there, already, but the more input from the Wiki community, the better this will ultimately be resolved, I believe. The first article was speedy deleted and salted. The author objected, wrote another article with a variation on the name, to
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I'm not sure I understand why you are aggressively (e.g.. in the Use Case article) deleting such links. I thought that this was a mechanism to encourage the missing articles to be written, and they don't really interfere with readability. In addition, there's a slight change in interpretation, when
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It's nice to see someone else raising the same, poorly addressed, issues. I still think it's going to take much more to get it in shape. We're only having these arguments because some people are more interested in making sure the article includes their personal viewpoint than they do making sure
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I've never seen any policy or guideline statements about them, so I'm just going by my own judgement. In general, I find them quite annoying in articles, especially when the topic doesn't seem very notable. I appreciate you're pointing it out, however, as I've wondered if there are any formal or
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I'm glad that it looks like a mediator will help. I've had one experience with them (I think two different ones dropped by to help), and I was impressed. If nothing else, they seem willing to spend enough time to sort out situations when the issue is more than a single paragraph or small set of
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I am also thinking of re-editing the page to make it more general and not only promoting Don Norman, so as you said, I think I have some thoughts and knowledge to offer to that page. But again, I don't think posting my weblog for people to read more about the subject was a conflict of interests.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!! (I assume it is NY for you? Yes?). I am about ready to finally hang all this up and go out with the spouse. I couldn't let Barrett v. Rosenthal stand as bad as it was. I left the statements (so as not to be accused of edit warring), but moved them to the appropriate location,
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More specific than from above, "why you chose the specific issues, editors, and article?" I'm not even mentioned in the two previous ANIs that I added to the RfM. I vaguely remember another but cannot find it. One where Jance pointed out that I should have been listed as involved but was not.
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I'm not affiliated with any of the sites I linked to, nor would they really serve as advertising or attempts to give them business because as corporate sites they're informational. The companies themselves probably don't need to attract more people to their website. I'm not trying to make a
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You're welcome, and I realize I failed to express my appreciation for your efforts to make Knowledge a better encyclopedia. I mentioned WP:BITE only because sometimes it's difficult to distinguish spammers and vandals (who don't deserve any second chances) from those who simply misjudge what
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Plaintiffs, Dr. Stephen J. Barrett and Dr. Timothy Polevoy, operated Web sites devoted to exposing health frauds. Defendant Ilena Rosenthal directed the Humantics Foundation for Women and operated an Internet discussion group. Plaintiffs alleged that Rosenthal and others committed libel by
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Ronz, I wasn't going to agree. I changed my mind when I saw Arthur's comments on the An/I. I thought maybe it would be a sign of good faith? All it takes is one person to not agree. I have mixed feelings about it. I dont know the parties are well defined, and certainly no issues are
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On the Emotional Design page there is even a REAL promotion piece for a company (Sotopia). My piece was only to inform people who want to read about "emotional design" about my non-commercial weblog, where I have many interviews with leading experts who have a lot to say on the topic.
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The Center is an interesting example, Ronz. It appears that the criticism section focuses on two types of critics - free marketeers and fast food lobbies. That could be discussed in one or two paragraphs, with about one or two abbreviated quotes - quotes that are not a paragraph
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Templatized messages are intended for uninvolved people and/or to respond to blatant issues. When you're involved in a situation, the warned editor tends to get defensive. If both of you are escalating the situation, finding an uninvolved outsider is often a better solution than
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I see you have your hands full. I do not understand your explanation for removing the article so I'd rather leave it until you come up with something better. In brief it is much more informative and useful than the rest of the article which is quite questionable and misleading.
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practitioners, and litigates against them. Not the same. A more complete 'criticism' section in this article is warranted - without the controversy, there would be no NCAHF, and no article. But the criticism section should not be a long list of quotes, which is not readable.
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As I said on numerous other pages, there is no self-promotion on that page. It is a genuine attempt to define a commonly used expression. Note as well that it is not part of "customer service", but rather the sum of all touch points, including design, web site, marketing, etc.
266:. I have known of Ilena before this article, because of her activism in women's issues. I often do not agree with her, as you know. On breast implants, I do, at least partially . So that is the whole story. I may get blocked because of Curtis' actions. It is "Wikilogic". 1200:, though saw your comments about possibly merging them in Eye tracking. At a glance, there appears to be enough content to keep them separate. On the other hand, it looks both articles could use a lot of tightening. Why not merge-tag them and see if anyone else responds? -- 959:
I appreciate the effort you've put into helping her, but I think her own (rather harsh) words regarding it would make it obvious that she doesn't seem to want your help. Perhaps you could disengage? I think that would probably be for the best at this juncture. Cheers, āœŽ
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get around the salt. Then it was unsalted, and the author wrote the attack page again, and an admin tried to make something workable out of it (but cannot, as she states in the AfD). The author of the article has now made an identical article, only now he is calling it
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The Court of Appeal vacated the order granting the motion to strike insofar as it applied to Dr. Polevoy. It held that section 230 did not protect Rosenthal from liability as a ā€œdistributorā€ under the common law of defamation. We granted Rosenthalā€™s petition for
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You may not have intended self-promotion, but you violated guidelines against self-promotion. Let's stop arguing about it and move on. If you want to be involved in salvaging the article, I've made multiple suggestions as how to go about it on the talk page.
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Something I have never seen addressed are the numerous personal attacks and accusations against Dr. Stephen Barrett (and Dr Polevoy) on various talk and user pages. Spurious accusations against Dr. Barrett would fall under wp-blp and they are both members of
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that Rosenthalā€™s statements concerned an issue of public interest within the scope of the anti-SLAPP statute, and were, for the most part, not actionable because they contained no provably false assertions of fact. Plaintiffs do not challenge that ruling.
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There is also the simple question of a well-written, readable article. A long series of quotes strung together does not constitute good writing.. heck, it isn't writing at all. And it surely isn't readable. Quotes should highlight a point, not be a
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Don't let them bait you. This is an AN about Ilena's behavior. There's a lot of interest in blaming her behavior on others, which just a distraction to the issue of whether or not she can be responsibile for her behavior and learn wiki rules.
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I've already been using Wikiquette alerts for the article just to get this far, and it looks like Design methods has found a mediator that he's comfortable and familiar with. The Mediation Cabal is another good option if we need further help.
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The court determined that the only actionable statement appeared in an article Rosenthal received via e-mail from her codefendant Tim Bolen. This article, subtitled ā€œOpinion by Tim Bolen,ā€ accused Dr. Polevoy of stalking a Canadian radio
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You mentioned that my links to corporate websites are inappropriate. I don't really see that, and I think it's useful to include a few to illustrate the point because there aren't any generic examples. At least I couldn't find any.
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I understand. Yes, he's been taking shots at me as well. I really regret letting him get away with his 3RR violation on The National Council Against Health Fraud. Might have put some brakes on this mess, or maybe not.
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I see you linked to the wiki entries on these companies, which in turn list both the corporate and the consumer websites. I'll probably change the list a little to only include companies with wiki entries that do this.
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Thanks for your suggestions regarding smears on the talk:barrett rosenthal. I have emailed an oversight request for expunge...will wait for a reply. Thanks again and I appreciate your efforts of help, it was noticed.
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I already tried disengagement. It didn't work. Besides, it's not about me at all. She just likes fooling others into thinking it's personal. Meanwhile, she hasn't mentioned me or responded to me in quite a while
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You're very involved in this situation, and I'm concerned templatized warnings will just exasperate the problem. Can you please extricate yourself from the situation and let uninvolved editors handle it for a bit?
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I just moved it to the talk page so it could be worked on. The section was just placed in the article without consideration of current content or even formatting. It would also help if sources were provided.
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Since Fyslee has refused mediation regarding the issues pertaining to himself and Ilena, I have opened a formal Request for Arbitration regarding the matter. You may wish to make a statement. You may do so
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Interest? I'm not sure what you mean. I noted months ago some serious POV problems in some of these articles, and am trying to find a way to settle them. I'm trying to think of it as a learning experience.
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is somewhat limited in the discussion of history, and criticism. There is significant criticism of BBB, and in fact it is not an organization I would take seriously anymore. I don't know much about the
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If you would like to confirm this please go to Montalbano Innovation & Developments website www.montalbanoinc.com and go to the contact us section and give me a call....ask for Greg Montalbano.
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into one sentence: Libertarian "free-market" groups like The Heartland Institute and The Center for the D of FE claim that CSPI resorts to fear mongering to attack food products and restaurants.
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Hi Ronz, This might seem like self-promotion, but I believe that I am fairly well known in the computer security arena. I have talked at conferences around the world, am the founder and owner of
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I noticed the thread above. It answered my question. If you were a disinterested party, I would have asked you to just walk away from the whole mess so there are as few disputants as possible.--
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A source on what defining corporate sites would be helpful. A link on how to design one? If such a link existed, it would belong in design-related articles rather than Corporate site. --
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Rosenthal posted a copy of this article on the Web sites of two newsgroups devoted to alternative health issues and the politics of medicine, not on the site of her own discussion group.
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You could pose questions on the talk page for the case - I can't answer questions I haven't yet heardĀ :) I would be happy to clear anything up for you that is unclear. Cheers, āœŽ
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Dear RONZ, as a new Knowledge contributor, I am confused as to why my comments seem to disappear repeatedly after a while, specifically on your page. Could you help me with this?
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maliciously distributing defamatory statements in e-mails and Internet postings, impugning plaintiffsā€™ character and competence and disparaging their efforts to combat fraud.2
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I've looked more closely at the article and it's essentially unchanged from your edits, other than one from a Hong Kong ip. I think an AfD is in order because of the other
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directory either, just showing people what a corporate website looks like. If you have any ideas how I can do that without pointing to specific examples let me know.
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An RfC by Curtis is a good idea. His points may be good in some circumstances, but not the way he has insisted. The article as he wants it would be absurdly long.
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that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at
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went pretty well, and the next time should be better now that I'm getting a better feel for what does and does not trigger her. I don't think I'm going to touch
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Before I respond, I'm awaiting an explanation from you of why you chose the specific issues, editors, and article. I can't make sense of any of these choices. --
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the link is removed. With no link a phrase like system block appears to be a standard english phrase,instead of a technical term or term of art.
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The link takes you to a page that has some of the hottest freestyle rap videos in hip hop, I don't understand how that can be classified as spam.
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Not a problem, I just don't know what else to do with an article that's almost word-for-word from your corporate newsletter authored by you. --
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Thanks for taking the "accidental signature" out of the Lean Manufacturing Article. Even we "geniuses" make mistakes from time to timeĀ ; - )
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I commented on your talk page about it. You're correct about the Sotopia link, and it's now removed. I'll explain more on your talk. --
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Point well taken. When I see what I feel is hypocrisy, I believe in noting it. However, I will do better in the future. Thank you both.
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company, have worked in the field for a couple of decades and created all of the text on the site that I used in the article.
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Hello, I would like to know why you removed the link to TYPO3wizard.com and but there are still the other "Tutorial" pages?
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Thank you for reminding of the tildes for the signature. For the other comments you deleted, I quoted one on my talk page:
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to which you are a party was not accepted and has been delisted. You can find more information on the mediation subpage,
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The biggest problem is that you're writing articles about yourself and your program. I'll add more on your talk page. --
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for awhile though given all that's happened, despite that there's a clear COI on her part that needs to be rectified. --
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This is the (long)statement of the case, from the state supreme court decision (which is the subject of this article):
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To my knowledge nobody is looking into Curtis' conduct. Because I had been in past edit conflict with Droliver over
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You're welcome. I moved what I think you're concerned about to an archive so that at least it's out of the way. --
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No, I wasn't aware of that. I will go look. I just got home - client had a crisis.... I will look tomorrow.
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I am new to Knowledge....I know I did not comit copyright infringment....is there something else I did wrong?
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informal guidelines about them at all. Generally, I only do it aggressively with links to deleted articles. --
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Hi Ronz...How would y ou like a bit of a diversion? I would welcome a pair of eyes and input on an article
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I believe the one you mention but can't find is the Jan 2 AN that you've already listed. Here are two more.
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If someone else gets him to back off on the personal attacks, fine. How about I give it 12 hours or so? --
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that uses scare tactics justified by "junk science" and media theatrics to encourage a "nanny state."
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As for similarity with the source article, Customer input Limited grants the right to Knowledge. --
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See the note at the top of this page, which I copied in a comment I made on your own talk page. --
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I don't see any way to make that list work, given the biased and uncivil resistance against it. --
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Yes, thanks. I was thinking there were some unrelated to Ilena's behavior, but I was mistaken. --
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I answered the questions re Barrett & "King Bio". I suspect Robert's confusion was my use of
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The references weren't listed as such when I tried cleaning up back in October. Let's fix it. --
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it's a good encyclopedia article. Levine2112 is already jumping in offering to make it worse.
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Good luck getting ArbCom to hear a content dispute, because it's outside of their remit. Try
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I was hoping things would be more settled by now. I'm going to give it a bit more time. --
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There's got to be something better. Maybe some of the other links need to go as well? --
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here. I think I answered all the questions, but if you all have more, feel free to ask.
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is obsessed about this, and about bashing lawyers. I'd appreciate any help possible.
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There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
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on the idea that the technology needed its own article. 17:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)]
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Consider the paragraph now in the article, vs. this modification, which I wrotes:
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in the article's talk page invites contributors. That's the nature of Knowledge.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Why was my contribution to Emotional Design and Experience Design removed?
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Good to know. I suppose the same goes with all behavior templates then? --
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to perform case management. If you have questions about this bot, please
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guideline. But content of that page is almost ideal future content of
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