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English language word, e.g., "its in Schoenherr". But I can't find any secondary sources to establish his notability, in order to write a Knowledge article on him. I also cannot find any biographical information. Do you know any sources with biographical info and to establish notability?
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Elliott Bay article. I manage the online version of WHQ and I can tell you that the DOI will never work because it hasn't actually been registered with CrossRef and due to metadata errors probably won't be. I understand the
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