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programs. For anyone within any of the various football projects to harbor the dream of a separate season article for every major college team's every season is plain nuts, because ninety percent of these seasons are simply not notable and never will be. Knowledge is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a sports almanac or a "fan boy" journal for every bit of trivia about every college sports team. You only have to review major sports programs like the
Seminoles, Hurricanes, et al., to see that many of the single-season pages have been deleted. They simply are not surviving new page patrol and AfD. Don't believe me? Spend some time looking at the football season navboxes at the bottom of team pages. One of the reasons the Gators decade pages have survived is exactly that: they are not a proliferation of non-notable single-season pages.
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Alabama can get by with decade pages for most of their history, surely, most other teams can, too, notwithstanding the fact that I am quite certain the 2007 New Hampshire Wildcats had a fine season. There are so many things wrong with so many college football articles that it can only be described as a ginormous waste of effort to create separate team pages for non-notable, non-national champion, non-conference champion teams from 20 to 100+ years ago. But that's really another topic, isn't it? We were really talking about season redirects. (Please see my final comments below to DeFaultRyan.)
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inherently non-notable, than it has to do with those specific articles not being up to standards. Just look at all the single-season
Nebraska football articles that are being created and kept. You say, "There will never be a separate article for any of these pre-2000 Gators football teams." That's a rather bold proclamation to issue on behalf of all editors, present and future. Never say never.
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First, there has also been a recent trend of creating a season article for every
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May I suggest that you click on any five randomly selected team season navboxes in this category , and then calculate the percentage of red links in the average team season navbox. As you know, the more recent the season, the more vehement the fan editors are about protecting the page, but numerous
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I don't know why you bring in broken links, unless you're suggesting that the decade articles would be deleted, and that somehow the bot could figure out to point the link at the season article at that point. Why not keep it simple, and leave the link to the redirect. That way, there is no need for
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DFR, As an attempt at conciliation on this point, I will happily leave the season redirect on other pages as they are, if you will leave the individual
Florida Gators football team season redirect pages as they presently are, i.e. redirecting to the individual season sections of the Florida Gators
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Knowledge-wide trend has been to delete single-season team pages as non-notable, i.e. those that are not conference or national championship seasons of the Division I programs." So... Where is this supposed "trend" of deleting single-season articles exactly? I just checked the
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In fact, we have just re-merged separate single-season Gators articles for the 1906–1909, 1910–1919 and 1990–1999 decades without any internal Gators
Project dissension. Everyone has come to the realization that separate season articles represent a dilution of limited man-hours to create separate
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Strikehold, it's above my paygrade to delete most of this ridiculous proliferation of non-notable single-season and even single-game pages. Most should be whacked as non-notable, many eventually will be as they age and the currently vehement fan supporters move on to more current seasons, and
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The redirects to specific season sections of the decade pages take readers directly to the particular season summary and schedule, not to the top of a ten-season page. The Gators football articles are set up by decades. In the ten decade articles spanning 1906 to 1999, there is precisely ONE
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Please do not kid yourself: There will never be a separate article for any of these pre-2000 Gators football teams. The recent
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Bottom line: linking to the season redirect pages only takes the reader to the top of a ten-season decade page. The section links take the reader directly to the specific season for which the reader sought additional information. The answer is obvious.
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pages that have a very high likelihood of being deleted by new page patrol or AfD. The original consensus was to create decade-long team seasons pages with schedules and brief summaries; it was a good consensus and should be preserved.
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