287:, having just spent hours trying to sort out some of the basics (some bits got complicated, names and dates, etc.) and get it all updated. I can't spend any more time on it now, but not sure whether it should be classed as a list article, or could othewise be upgraded to at least Start or C? Apart from gathering more citations for each year, there's not an awful lot more that can be said about awards! Also, I'm thinking that these awards must surely be at least mid-importance to SA and/or literature, although I'm not sure how those gradings are given. Anyway have a look and see what you think, when you have time please.
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In respect to the four points of interest that you have nominated, there is a lot of mining in the Far North of the state (including at least two other places where opal is mined), I am not sure if the lease is unusual because I can think of several other similar arrangements, crime is not uncommon in
Aboriginal areas of the state and I am not sure if the compulsory closure is contentious because the APY people own the land and have the legal right to terminate the arrangement. Â Anyway, the article needs an upgrade to deal with the change (please refer
904:, I’m still a bit of a novice at this, what is it I’ve contributed to that might be a conflict of interest? I work for the History Trust of South Australia, and joined up to get some experience and understanding because we’re currently working with Wikimedia Australia to put our photographic collections into Wikimedia. We don’t have any connection with the Heritate Department or the Heritage Council of South Australia if that’s what this is about. We’re a completely separate organisation though we do of course have some overlapping interests.
1127:- well worth a read, specially the talk pages as to how things in current practices are carried out, if the noticeboard is active - well worth having a look. Unfortunately my edit count is confronting otherwise I would suggest some of the more brazen coi cases that I have tried to deal with (most difficult where I have known people in real life who have no sense of what wikipedis is about and they try to edit their own articles), very much a case of interpretation in some parts, and other parts usually quite obvious.
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241:, I noticed that a number of categories concerning "Unknown-importance Australia articles" are sub-categories of "Category:Unknown-importance articles" which is in "Super Massive" category class as it currently contains 1,924 sub-categories. Should not there be only one Australian category (i.e. "Category:Unknown-importance Australia articles") which is a sub-category of this?
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of them! Lots of articles means higher risk of disputes about notability and more time spent on maintenance. Also, the land occupying the full extent of a number of hundreds has in recent years (i.e. the last 20 years) been gazetted as localities with the same name and boundaries as the hundred
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OK sorry about to the diversion about biota - (bigger than a dump truck of shredded parliamentery papers...) may have nothing to do with your general editing of the moment - I have been trying to balance out a range of competing interests and issues relative to the biota work, sorry to have imposed
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I think writing articles about hundreds is pointless in most cases because the articles will most likely be 'stubs' as there is very little reliable source material (i.e. proclamations in the SA Government
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I am of the opinion that most nsw parish creations by the blocked user need to be merged/nuked or something. But it might require raising the dead (metaphorically) editors who no longer engage or edit - the issue of the validity of a large number of parish articles is very open to question imho.
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attitude towards new users, and try to cajole rather than act... so that the blocked editor above made no attempt to respond to messages, and also was using a username and editing with organisational links... and the admin who followed me had no reservation about blocking for the reasons given.
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I think that pastoral leases, cattle/sheep stations and protected areas are best considered as a land use rather than a place. This is because there are numerous examples of pastoral leases being re-designated as protected areas, i.e. the land use changes over time. I do know of at least one
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documentary suggests that the transition timeline is dragging out and will also attract readers; I was following the page, but noticed the documentary (seemingly) independently; I'm based in the UK. There is no doubt that the APY people own the land and have the legal right to terminate the
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as a place descriptor for three reasons. Firstly, it is more a philosophical concept rather a geographical concept. Secondly, it has an extremely large area and lacks boundaries making it relatively useless as a descriptor. Thirdly, I think that there are better terms to use than
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arrangement; that doesn't mean that those who live in the town, or who might empathize with them, might wonder about the reasonableness of that decision. Regardless, I agree that updating the page, when there is news that the town has actually been closed, is more important.
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protected area in SA that was abolished and was converted back to a parcel of regular crown land. Important Bird Areas (IBAs) which usually overlap protected areas either operated by government or by private individuals/organisations should not be considered to be places.
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Sometimes, I think that there are too many projects (and sub-projects). In the case of WikiProject
Australia’, the better way around the above is not to add “|place=yes” on any articles, particularly if the article is of interest to other
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possibly expand on your interests in order to distinguish them from the project with
Wikimedia Australia. The Knowledge is generally a reasonable place but one will encounter editors (including administrators) who are not.
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I have put some effort in writing articles about counties (which there are 48 in SA) because the constituent hundreds can be listed there along with other useful and relevant about the county (i.e. an example is the
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