User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 004

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Let's have some!! If there is a place to discuss the value of creating a new cat, I am very willing to visit such a place and have a discussion before such creation. Indeed, I believe I asked YOU specifically about such a procedure. But no dialogue even about that! I create cats and subcats in keeping with the official guidelines for such (in places where I have some knowledge and expertise, and where it seems logical to have such cats/subcats). I have absolutely NO intention of being disruptive or harmful to wikipedia. Please accept my sincerest apology for any such misunderstandings! Apparantly all editing on wikipedia is subject to majority rule (of those who have an opinion), rather than subject only to the logic of having such cats/subcats. My opinion almost always seems to be in the minority. I can live with that. But let's dialogue, by all means! Thank you! And Merry Christmas.

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truth is that my father did nothing wrong at all but I agree that the tribunal did find some influence used in return for some hospitality and, therefore, I can't change that. He was a man of great courage and dignity which, in fact, Clem Attlee acknowledged in Parliament and this tribunal broke his heart. He never recovered his health, dying at the early age of 59, and my mother who had been put under enormous strain throughout the proceedings, suffered a series of nervous breakdowns for the rest of her life. A sad ending to what had been a dream for both of them ie a Labour government addressing the needs of all the people not the few.

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curent rate of progress, it'll be three years or more before there is even one the lsiting in a single category spills onto a scond page, so it seems to me to be way premature to sub-categorise them. I would support retaining individual sub-cats where there are at least a dozen entries, as offering some promise of reaching a useful size, but I don't think that any of the area categories is there yet. I note that (AFAICS) none of the area cats even includes a list of those who have been bishops in the area, which does not bode well for future expansion. It seems to me to be a bad idea to create a category because it

3089:. I wold prefer not to use the DEFAULTSORT 'magic' on this article because Dudley-Williams changed his surname in 1964. Before that his surname was Williams, and he was normally known as "Dudley Williams". It's more useful to have the articles listed under the name they used at the time, because when I am checking the membership of the MPs by Parliament categories, I use a contemporary source for the alphabetical list of the House of Commons which will, of course, use the surnames they were using at the time: it makes it difficult to have to move forward and backward to make sure the article is there. 507: 1875:, which was the obviously solution. But it seems that as fast as we can delete the superfluous categories, he is busy creating new ones, and the result is the categorisation of anything Methodist remains an almighty mess. (I have to say that I find it rather bad manners of PW to keep on creating new categories when so many of his most creations are up for CFD, usually without so much as a comment from him. I don't know what he is trying to achieve, but he must be aware that this is very bad practice). 45: 1180:. This isn't a big deal, since midnight UTC happens around 4pm my time. However, as of tomorrow morning I'm leaving on a trip for a couple of weeks, expect to be back on the 30th. I'll probably still be around from time to time, they have the internet, even in Denver ... but I don't think I'll be able to do the new date thing again until I return. And I thought I'd let a few people know in advance, so people aren't waiting around for me to do it, or wondering why I stopped. -- 5057:

there. After all, she studied at Western College for Women, which today is a part of Miami University in Ohio's Miami River Valley. Of course, Western College for Women was not a part of Miami University (which has nothing to do with her current university, University of Miami) then and for that reason it might be inaccurate to put her in the Miami University alumni categori as well (she already is listed in the "Alumnae of women's colleges and universities" category).

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categorising someone as a Methodist minister, they would also be clasified as on or moe of a pastor, administrator, etc (depending on waht jobs they actually did). I'm not sure that so much detail in categories is really helpful: it seems to me that this is too much detail for the category system, and that in most cases the dedatild info will not be available from

4623:"The Treasury spent the enormous sums of more than £8,000 in 1780 and £9,000 in 1784, in unsuccessful attempts to defeat the opposition Whig leader Charles James Fox. So expensive were these contests that for the next general election in 1790, the government and opposition leaders reached a formal agreement for each to have one member returned unopposed." (see 2741:). At work we have a phrase for (software) code that needs to be cleaned up, 'it stinks'. I'm starting to feel that the NRC regional divisions stink. I'm torn between changing my proposal and throwing the discussion into 'no consensus' land and leaving it alone and ending up with longer names for the same smelly categories. Any thoughts/suggestions? ~ 2432:

to stop creating new categories, and to start by discussing them first. Despite the fact that scores of categories you had created were being nominated successfully for deletion, and that your disruptiveness as being widely commented-on, you cntinued to create new categories at a truly phenomenal rate, most of which ended up at CFD, where most were deleted.

1566:. So far, I can count about UM 55 bishops (plus a a few dozen from the precessor denomninations), and that does not need sub-categorising. Our usual practice is to sub-categorise when there enough articles to resaonably populate even some of the articles in the category, but we are not there yet: I think that the most populous so far has 6 articles in it. 2989:

academic degree, though obviously not that exactly. A clergy is a person who is ordained or licensed or in another way "set-apart" for some work of ministry, etc. But "clergy" says nothing about WHAT work. It is not an occupation. It is like someone achieving a certain level of training or recognition in a profession, but not the profession itself.

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contributors the fact that so much of the traffic at CFD results from your disruptive editing practices. If I have on occasion failed to mention other reasons, it becasuse I have agreed with the reasons cited by others, and rather than recite the list again, it is sometimes quicker to point people to the pattern of your disruptive category-creation.

2737:. I feel like I'm talking too much there, and I respect your opinion from watching them at CfD. Is 70 articles (upmerge the 4 regions) too many for the category? When I suggested breaking it back out by state I was thinking of breaking out only the states with a reasonable number (3-5?) and leaving others in the parent category (as I did with 2397:

based on the merits of the cat itself. It matters not who created it, or why, or if such creation was illconceived, etc. It matters only if it is a good cat or not. Please refrain from including such attacks. I believe you are as bad at not assuming good faith as you believe I am at being "disruptive" in cat creation! Thanks.

1948:. On most of the recent CFDs, you have not even offered a comment, let alone provided any explanation of what you are trying to achieve. That is surprising, but I'm afraid that to continue creating new categories while you don't respond to CFDs or to calls to stop is at best rude, and at worst intentionally disruptive. 4605:

to that principle in parliamentary elections is the system which used to exist in the USSR, where voters always had the opportunity to reject all the candidates; an election was held even if there was only one candidate, so that the electorate could vote "none of the above". I rather like that possibility :)

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There was a lot of other stuff pointing in different directions in the Shalala article as well, somebody has apparently changed her Catholic religion to Jewish without giving a source (is she a very recent convert to Judaism?) and her middle name was stated as Esther rather than the Edna found at the

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It seems to me that since the average clergyperson may without further qulaification perform some or all of the roles (liturgical, pastoral, administrative, academic, educational), that what you suggest would require a whole extra dimension of categorisation for each individual ... so that as well as

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The change is made and I like getting rid of titles like 'NRC Region 1' that provided no information. The way it was closed sounded encouraging for more work. I'd thought that I might go look at the breakdown by state sometime this weekend, but based on your research I agree that breaking them down

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Thanks for correcting this. I had noticed it last night and was going to fix it at some point. I think the article preceeded me here, though in the list it was correct from the start. You realize, of course, that the List preceeds me? Someone else placed it on wikipedia. But it is what led me to

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You continually point out (in CfD's) that something should be deleted because it is "yet another example of ill-conceived cats..." or something like that. I appreciate that you find me illequiped to create cats. But just because I created a cat is no reason for it to be deleted. Vote on deletions

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by all these CFD's. I have offered some explanation/defence. But after a while, after so many are nominated, one can only offer the same ideas so many times. I had hoped with ALL of them that the LOGIC of having these cats and subcats would speak for itself. Evidently such logic is overruled by a

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it were used to categorise articles in, for example, the debates witin methodsim about episcopacy, or the Scottish rejection of episcopacy, but that is not what it is being used for here: its sole function here is to add an extra layer to the categorrisation of bishops. If you want to nominate it, I

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Have been trying everything I can think of to get something that works with the 2 and 3 member constituencies as well as the one member ones but have not been able to find anything that looks reasonable. Probably just me being over-fussy again but it seems to cramp them a bit too much. Have a go and

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I guess either would be OK, and it's not a big deal either way. I had started doing this on several tables in the last day or two to annotate by-elections. I saw table some where which had a black "ge" or "be" after the link, which seemed a bit ugly (an abbreviation needs to be explained on first

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I really do think than in terms of Law, we must strive to be exact. It may be that some might refer to the Assembly constituencies as 'Parliamentary', however they are wrong. The Law sets things out in fairly black-and-white terms, and if this encyclopaedia is to fulfil its aims, it has to reflect

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Thanks v. much for that clarification. In my experience, "I'm not going to get into an argument about this" usually means something on a spectrum from "this is unimportant", via "you haven't persuaded me, but whatever" to "I couldn't care less what you say, you *^%%$ $ %!", but I'm glad to see that

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No, I haven't read it, but Cronin has long been on my must-read-someday list, so I have just ordered it. It does look rather suitable! But actually, the thing this makes me think of is all my relatives who were missionaries. I try to stay off too much discussion with them about it, because I have

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Since the lineage of The United Methodist Church generally coalesces, it makes most sense for there to be one category, "Bishops of The United Methodist Church and its predecessors". If someone wants to label each person with the contemporary denomination, so be it. The main divergence occurs with

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Generally I must say that I don't like the Persondata. In my opinion it is completely unnecessary, since anonymous and new registered users know nothing about it, while more experienced users don't need it anymore. In addition, the respective data are mostly in the opening of an article, so in these

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Sorry for the slow, reply, Mick. I did take a look at this, but couldn't quite get my head around how to establish authoritative sources either way. I have a lot of sympathy with the notion of using native-acceptable transliterations, but would want sources, and I think thatn the issue here is what

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Sorry for the slow reply (Xmas/New Year backlog), but I'm glad to have helped. I used to be rather bads at edit summaries myself, until I found what a pain-in-the-neck it was to try to keep track of changes without them. I try to avoi being too growly with ppl who don't use them, but it's great to

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Nor, for that matter, can I necessarily respond to every single message, either. I am willing to engage in dialogue. But I am not sure I can answer every question, especially perhaps not to your satisfaction. I am constantly learning. I strive to offer only what seems helpful. Evidently much of

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Thank you for your contributions! And a further thank you to your deletion of pointless db-bios, I appreciate all the things you do for Knowledge and the community and have seen your name pop up more than once when I hit the Recent Changes page to do some regular patroling. I would like you to know

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If I read the Donna Shalala article history correctly, you changed her category Miami University alumni to University of Miami alumni. Now she's president of University of Miami and listed in the category for presidents of that university but I never found a source stating that she actually studied

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The purpose of a parliamentary election is to allow the electorate to choose between candidates when there are more candidates than seats, so when the number of candidate matches the number of seats, there is no choice to be made, and hence no need for a vote. The only exception that I am aware of

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I admit I follow the pages you create. I find parliamentary history quite interesting, and its facinating to see the many pages etc you create. One question I would like to ask if I may; In the many unopposed by-elections during the War, when there was only one candidate I presume the public didn't

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Sorry about that! I think that in general these are difficult things to call, and the question I would usually ask is where the reader would expect to find him in a list. I'm not sore about that, but your method has the advantage of historical accuracy, so I think you're right. BTW, I have added

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Hi. I have been thinking about "clergy" as a categorization. It often gets placed in occupation cats. But it really isn't an occuption. Pastor, minister, Bishop, etc. are all occupations (which are usually done by a clergy-person). But clergy is more of a status or achievement. Almost like an

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Sorry for the slow reply, and for misunderstanding your suggestion: I thought you meant place all in states categories, not just those where numbers justify it. But I'm still not sure that you will get any useful categories that way: the most nuclear-generator-populated state is Illinois, with six

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PW, your actions have gotten to a point where anyone assuming good faith could do so only by ignoring the evidence. Instead of whining about being the subject of what you mistakenly call personal attacks, why not simply stop being this disruptive creation of scores of inappropriate categories, and

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I asumed good faith for months. When others were calling for a ban on you, I was the one who tried to start a dialogue with you, but I got no response from you until I issued you with a formal warning about a related technical matter. When you eventually responded, I pleaded with you, repeatedly,

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Given your track recird of creating so many problematic categories, and your notable reluctance to contribute to the CFD discussions or to respond to other attemts to discuss the issues, I would strongly recommend that you do not remove any CFD or similar tags from any articles or categories. Your

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When a CFD is closed, then the tags should be removed from discussions once any necessary actions have been taken or where the categories are to remain unchanged (i.e. not deleted or renamed or merged). The categories on which you changed the tags are all to be upmerged per the decision at CFD, so

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OK, by your count we have 569 bishops. That calls for sub categories. I guess the question now is which ones. The by Area ones are logical and fit with the way the church is run. So, either we stay with those and let them become populated over time, or there is a proposal for sub categories that

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This seems to make sense. I honestly do not like this way of arranging things; I would prefer to just place everything within twp categories instead of four. Nonetheless, I think the consensus of everyone else is to arrange things this way. I will see what I can do with it. Again, thank you for

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Thanks for sorting this out. I must admit to having been reluctant to use moving when I could use cut and paste - but I can see the point of it, of course. Put it down to a mixture of laziness, ignorance and impulsiveness (I am a bear of little brain, and long words bother me ...) . The only other

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article, recently I have been in an unfortunate dispute with this editor on the disussion page. They continue to argue and revert edits. The fighting is getting silly. I do not mean to speak down to them, but I am somewhat unsure on what to do. Any advice would be great. I want to do the right

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Thanks for your help. It might be useful to give an example like this on the guidance page. Whilst we're on the topic, how would you represent a box where an MP serves with several people during his elected period (e.g. the box for Hay would have him serving alongside Pitt, along with the 2nd Vis.

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is creating categories again. He is not working at the same pace as he was previously, nor is he producing categories that look like immediate categories for deletion, renaming, or merging. However, his voluntary withdrawl from category creation has not been very long. Please take action as you

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PW, if you have time to create the categories, you have time to participate in the CFDs. If you have time to create lots of new categories, you have time to respond to discussions about the problems they cause. That doesn't require any xtra time from you: it could be done simply by responding to

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be written on Methodist bishops, and I expect that you will write more, which is great. But the categories should be created when enough articles exist to make the categories helpful, not before. A situation where there are more categories than articles is deeply unhelpful, both to readers and to

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The answer is that subdividing by state is mainly helpful for organization when it subdivides a large number of articles. When only a small number are subdivided, though, it just adds an extra layer of division that makes it harder for readers to find the article they're looking for because rather

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I changed my vote because the categories for episcopal areas serve a practical purpose (the bishop is directly associated with the episcopal areas) and because I think the categories could be populated over time. The categories by state, however, are impractical since the bishops' episcopal areas

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for additional information on Pastorwayne's categories. If he tells me that Pastorwayne's categories are redundant, I will nominate the tree for deletion and then I will ask for administrative action against Pastorwayne to block him from category creation, citing his many categories from the past

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In the unreformed House of Commons, it was common for two-member constituencies to be carved up by agreement: the Whigs and Tories might agree to each nominate only one candidate, so that both could avoid the cost of a contested election. When there were no limits on campaign spending, the costs

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I'd like your opinion on how this template should be filled out for the old constituencies which had multiple MPs at the same time? E.g. how should successors and predecessors work when MPs overlap? Should only the MP in question be listed with his personal succ/pre, or should both be listed? Thx

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I'm not understanding your objections. All 9 districts listed in the Historic Districts of Ontario category ceased to exist by 1849, years before Ontario ever existed. They were only districts in Upper Canada, and later Canada West. Can you explain? I thought this was a pretty straight-forward

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and its sub-cats. Again, these categories are a mess: none of them are even linked to a category for the churches themselves, and there is no reason to believe that the membership of these churches needs to be sub-categorised by nationality. I will nominate them all for CFD when I get the time,

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Very interested in the page about my father, John Belcher, which I thought was fair. I was going to edit a small detail ie it was a cigarette case not a gold watch but that seems picky! I would also like to add a small section of my father's resignation speech to the House and maybe I will. The

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Thanks Diverman for fixing that typo. I usually do use DEFAULTSORT, but for some reason I don't like lifetime; maybe it's because it requires separate indexing, and one the advantages of DEFAULTSORT is that it simplifoe sindexing and reduces the chance of error, but my main objection is that it

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Hi Brownhairedgirl. Just a bit of into really. Both these pages have the older 'Fife West' & 'Fife East' Designator within the body of page to a large degree still, mainly in the info boxes titles but also in reference to past by-elections throughout the page. I assume you have the automated

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Again, it is impractical to respond to EVERY CFD. You who nominate them must know what you are doing. I appreciate your telling me that you are nominating them. When I have something to say, I say it. But since so many of these CATS are similar, what I say for one generally applies to all of

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Here I am! What dialogue do you want to have? I am more than willing. Indeed, when a cat was CFD'ed I almost always offered my 2cents worth. Obviously, I am always outvoted. But when I did leave messages, no one (with very, very few exceptions) offered any dialogue. You speak of dialogue.

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doesn't seem interested in engaging in dialogue. When I have made CFD nominations, I followed recommended practice and left a note on his talk page linking directly to the CFD, but as you can see above the response was to ask me where the discussions were, and then silence. Similarly, I had no

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be populated over time. My concern is about that word "could", because I think that these categories are premature: PW has been creating articles on these bishops for about a year (he seems to be the only one working on them) and there are still only 55 of them in these area categories. At the

3068:. But there are some aspects of a clergyperson's work which may merit separate classification, such as accademic work (and we already have useful categories for some of that). But labelling a clergyman as (for example) a pastor or preacher will be tautological in the vast majority of cases. -- 3038:

It seems to me that the second of those is how it is most widely used: "the body of men set apart by ordination for religious service". Obviously, those so set apart have a variety of functions: liturgical, pastoral, administrative, academic, educational etc. (Amongst my own relatives who were

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I do NOT ignore CFD's just because I do not offer comment on them. You all seem to know better than I what is a good cat/subcat. Who am I to disagree with you. But the guidelines DO mention having cats/subcats NOT JUST for further dilineating large cats. That is NOT the only reason to creat

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They need not be one article subcats. They only are at their creation, as need arises (as I am sure many, many cats and subcats begin). Obviously, there are other Bishops to fit these categories. Those articles have just not yet been identified (or in some cases, written). If you care. For

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The area cats reflect how the church is set up and reflects a logical way to orginazize the bishops. You could make the point that it is too early to set up this large number of cats. However they will be populated over time since articles on the individuals who filled those positions will be

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Given the lack of dialogue and the continued creation of categories which are at best ill-considered, I can't see much alternative to admin action, much as I would like to avoid that. So a list of merged/deleted categories would be very useful, particularly if it was balanced (as you suggested

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I see that Pastorwayne has not ceased to create categories despite your messages to him. Let me know if it would be useful for me to compile a list of categories created by Pastorwayne that have been merged or deleted in case disciplinary action against Pastorwayne is needed. It may be worth

5537:, but hoped that since this was done in user space in these circumstances my offence would be counted as a minor one. (As you have probabbly guessed, I don't find your name funny, but if I did, how could we decide who was right?) Anyway, glad to see you reverted my tagging of your user page. 4652:

Thanks for your note, I've responded on the CfD page. Perhaps we're approaching this from quite divergent angles. I have a background in UK Constitutional Law so I am perhaps prone to take a somewhat legalistic approach to these questions, however I really can't see any acceptable reason to

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PW, I do wish that you would read those CFDs. I am not aware of any instance where I have recommended deletion solely on the grounds of it being one of your ill-conceived categs, though I have on many occasions mentioned the fact because I think it is important to draw the attention to other

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The only thing I am uncertain about is exactly when a candidate is declared elected if there is no contest. The usual process nowadays is for a voting day to be set when nominations are opened; if nominations close without the need for an election, there are three possibilities for when the

2660:. I think it is wrong that the spelling in this article is now at odds with modern historical writing on Tipu Sultan. But I can see that questions of spelling & transliterations of Indian names have a political & cultural dimension. I would be interested in your opinion. Best wishes 5454:. His position that he did not violate 3RR on the article you cited appears to have merit. I understand there may be a deeper background to the situation that I am not aware of, but I have not been able to find an explanation of the block other than with respect to that 3RR. Thank you. 2294:'s timely action. I do regret that this has been necessary, but having looked at PW's latest round of category creations, I really can't see that there is any alternative to seeking a ban. Not only is there a whole slew of new categories, many of them of very tenuous utility (such as 4656:

The prime authority is the Act of Parliament which established the body, the Government of Wales Act 1998. Nowhere does this Act use the term 'Parliament' to describe the Assembly. As such I think that it is thoroughly inappropriate to suggest otherwise within Knowledge (OR, etc).

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You added Messrs Davies and Pearson to this page as elected in the 1906 General Election. In fact they were elected at bye-elections later in the year, Pearson at a contested election on 6 April for Eye, and Davies elected unopposed on 5 Jun for Eifion. I've added the names of their

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I wonder if you have any thoughts about a better way to categorize clergy? I know, you don't want more categories. And maybe this is too esoteric (sp.?) for the average wikipedian. But you are wise in these ways. I'd be interested to know what you think. Thanks so much!

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there were enough articles, but there are not; why not delete with no prejudice to them being recreated as needed, say when there are at least a dozen articles in each new sub-cat? Knowledge's categoisation system would become unwieldy if we sub-divided everything this far.

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At that point, any person acting in good faith would have stopped categ-creation and sought dialogue. But instead of responding to my repeated pleas to you to stop, you set to at the end of December 2006 and created dozens of more categories, most of which were subsequently

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Her correct name is as above. I have NOT made any recent changes to this article so please withdraw your comments from my talk page. Also the correct procedure here would be to lease the hypenated page as a re-direct to the existing page that I alst edited in December.

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But I think that the only way we can unravel the mess of methodist categories is by stopping PW from creating new ones and I think that a ban would need to apply to all categories (not just religious ons), because his actions in the other fields are equally disruptive.

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I came across your user page while researching something, and noted tht you are 1. an administrator 2. sane 3. you are enthusiastic about accuracy. I would be interested in your opinion on a question of spelling I encountered while trying to contribute to the entry on

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PW, your understanding of what categories are appropriate is clearly very different from anyone else's. By participating in CFDs, you might learn how categories can be created which are useful and do not get deleted. And by "participating", I mean just that: explain

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Your disruptiveness has consumed a lot of the time of a lot of other editors. Rather than complaining about the editors who are giving up their time to tidy up the mess you have been creating, I suggest that as a Christian minister you might find it helpful to read

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candidate is declared elected: the point at which nominations closed, the last day for nominations to be withdrawn (if that possibility exists, which I think it does in some elections), or the designated polling day. I'm afraid that I don't know which applies here.

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Mairi has said that the "episcopacy" categories may be useful for more than just subcategorizing bishops. I suggest that we simply watch the categories for a while and ensure that they develop properly. (Apparently, a couple of the episcopacy categories, such as

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One more - would just like your advice as to whether you'd rate the office of Gov. General (Viceroy) as a Policital or a Government Office? It seems to me it should be Political, even though it's not an elected post, as it's not really the post of a Civil Servant

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as the term is not POV and is a highly researched subject. The previous discussion was done before I got involved, but I think you will find out that this is a credible subject worthy of its own category. In this context, brat is not POV---please read article.

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I just wanted to say thank you for your work removing extraneous categories from Presbyterian denomination articles (I looked at those categorizations just the other day). Some of the duplication was from my early editing, so thank you for cleaning up after me.

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You say that you "have absolutely NO intention of being disruptive or harmful to wikipedia". I would like to believe you, but if you continue to ignore CFDs, ignore messages, and ignore requests to you to stop, then I can't. So, please Pastorwayne: will you

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The purpose of the nomination is to clarify the distibction between the Assembly and the Westminster Parliament names of the categories containing the constituencies of the Westminister Parliament, by giving them a more specific name which is still entirely

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It would probably be possible, since the regions break on state boundaries to create the state categories (as needed) within the region categories. At a later point we could decide whether to remove the regions as a middle layer. I'm not going to do that

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By giving these specific exceptions surely the norm must be not to use such religious forms or why mention them as exceptions. I could raise it at MoS talk to get a specific mention in the MoS but i've not seen rev included enough in articles to worry. :)

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We can then discuss how you can be helped to be less disruptive, but unless you agree to stop creating new categories in the meantime, then the discussions are only going to add to the mountains of administrative work you are aleady creating for a lot of

644:"Note that in the case of some historic people, an honorific is so commonly attached to their names that it should be included. Thus, in the U.S. in the 1930s, "Father Coughlin" (Charles Coughlin). Likewise, include the honorific for Father Damien, ...." 5325:

I can find no guidance either way on automatic notability of baronets, and I think that Vintagekits may have a point about their notability. However, this should be resolved by discussing the principle of notability of Baronets, rather than by dumping

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As a constitutional lawyer, you will be alert to distinction in names, and a political operator, It's stuff I eat and breathe too. All I am trying to do here is to clariffy the issues for the readers who may not be so familiar with the distinction.

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cases the Persondata is only a repetition (if there is an infobox in the article, we still have a copy more). In any case only few people use it, I think, however for these your work will be very sensible and usefull. Perhaps you should mention it on

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created a week ago, with a very useful explanation of how it works. This divides UM bishops into five groups, which seems to be a very useful level of sub-division: much better the than the hundreds of cats which would have eventually been created in

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ceated and remain. Yes, the point about the small number is valid, however fixing the state cats once is just as important. Leaving the area cats provides a place and structure for new ones. Hopefully no more state cats will be created after this.

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I am also very disappointed that you say "since so many of these CATS are similar, what I say for one generally applies to all of them". If you agree that hey are so similar, why on earth are you continuing to create categories so similar the ones

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you created the category, and why you think it should stay. I don't mean simply reading the discussion and moving on to create another round of categories which themselves end up being rapidly nominated for CFD: that, to my mibd, is ignoring the

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The best advice would be not to remove CFD tags where you have been involved in the CFD. That way there is no chance of your actions being considered inappropriate. Again, it's disappointing that you moved so hastily to remove the tags despite a

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There are other similar profesions, and maybe a good comparison would be "medical doctor". People are trained as doctors, and qalify as such; but after further training they may work as surgeons (of many difft sorts), physicians (in the UK,

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doesn't seem to come close to giving guidance, which is a pity. But I have no doubt that it's in keeping with the spirit of the rest of the guidance to keep names unadorned and exclude the "reverend", so thanks v much for correcting it.

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to delete such categs for now ... and all the new ones include just one article. At this point I have to conclude that there are only two possible explanations: either PW really is not capable of understanding what categories are for,

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appear to be attempts to game the system; they are recreations of the "minister by state" categories that had been deleted in December. I have nominated the categories for deletion. The creation of additional pastor categories when

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I think that's the nub of it. What I don't understand is why having said on 12 December that you woudn't create subcats "until largeness of cats suggests it", you then created on December 19 another single-article subcategory (see

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You said on one of the delete categories it would help if I were less prolific... What would help? Some of you would stop being so agressive in nominating my categories for deletion?!? Please reply on my talk page. Thanks!

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I appreciate, also, allowing us all to get through Christmas before going further with all of this. I know I have much yet to do before Christmas and will be here less. Thank you! May you have the Happiest of Christmases!!

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I also worry about category clutter. Some of the articles on individual bishops already contains 20 or so categories. Above 10 or 15 categories, the list of categories at the bottom of an article page becomes difficult to

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had systematically altered the spelling in the article from 'Tipu' to 'Tippu'. When I queried this, he argued that the spelling was a matter for Mysore residents and 'natives'. The discussion/argument we had may be read at

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Unfortunately, it wasn't really done the easy way: I just spent a few hours edited them all manually. A bit slow, but now it's done ... so now we can make more sense of what is there as we look at restructuring them (see

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I've removed Rev from the first para inline as it seems implied if not explicit that the MoS is against including that both from the article and the talk page. This matches other broadly similar religious figures vide

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I only removed ones for discussions that had closed. I believed this was correct procedure, since the discussions were over. I appologize if I did something wrong. What happens once discussions are over? Thanks.

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Part of the problem here is that it is misleading to talk of "the church". The figure of 569 includes the four precdecessor denominations which had bishops, and they had diferent area structures. I have suggested to

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memorably called the "lumpen polytechnic", and both major parties are incresaingly composed of professional politicians, a lot of them look rather similar. Still not many bankers on the Labour benches though ...

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choose to use the date format used in a particular country. However I'm not going to get into an argument over which way round should be used. But your addition of an ordinal suffix is specifically listed as an

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I was wondering where I'd came across some time ago that user page that more or less stated briefly the importance of edit summaries. Just so you know, you've greatly inspired my edit summaries. That's all. --

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than having one page worth to scan, they instead have numerous subcategories to browse each of which is on its own page. So I think it's best to hold off on this sort of subdivision until it's actually needed.

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It's christmas time, and I expect that I will not be at my computer much in the next two weeks. I will try to catch up in the new year, but in the meantime please expect a delay in esponse to any messages.

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thank you for a most helpful answer! I will seek to restrain myself from creating subcats only because I find them helpful, until largeness of cats suggests it. God bless! Pastorwayne 21:00, 12 December 2006

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and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding

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I'm sorry you thought that the article was nonsense. We were actually referring to a different Alec Jones so we ask that we could re-upload our article though it does need processed for spelling errors etc.

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table of members. In 1841 William Fielden jumped ship and joined the Cons. Have tried everying I usually do to show this but all of them break the table. As its your table I assume you can sort ;) Cheers

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As per the notice at the top of this pageI usually reply on my talk page, to keep discussions in one place: it is very hard to follow a discussions where the replies are distributed across several pages.

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You're right that it all looks a bit busy that way, with both the brackets and the italics. Looking at it again, I'm not sure what the best approach is, so I doodled with it and created a test page at

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thanks for your helpful explanation of what to do after a discussion is closed. I will remove tags only for CFD's that go my way or that have no consensus (i.e., leave things as they are). thanks.

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Athbhliain faoi mhaise BrownHairedGirl (a chailín na gruaige doinne... that must be a song surely?). I am still lost in admiration for all your work on Irish political matters. Best wishes for 2007!

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In the same time period, you have created dozens of new categories, many of which have been nominated for CFD. Any CFDs which I have started have been accompanied by a notice on your talk page, at

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Hi Brownhairedgirl. I see that you've done Rhondda West with the Older results uppermost on the page as well. Would it not be better to discuss such a major change first before carrying on? Thanks.

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No problem. By the way, what do you make of my selection (cut down the numbers a good bit) and the images? Not very many good ones, and I'm sick of black and white ones of long dead patriots - its

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I've been giving some thought to these bishops. It seems hopeless to try to lever all these 'UM' people into a single coherent scheme whereas to start with constituents and move up looks feasible.

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I think your view is that someone pre-1968 shouldn't have UM anywhere in the cats at the bottom. So someone who was a Bishop of X just goes into cat Bishops of X xxxx-yyyy, in an obvious fashion.

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that I thank you and appreciate you very much and your efforts to keep Knowledge a Clean and Reliable place for Information and that your actions are not going unnoticed, Keep Up The Good Work!

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I don't usually argue about which way round they should go, but when someone is editing articles specifically to impose the American format on an article about a British topic, I do object per

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typo, you left off the "d" in "ndash" - Do you (g)nash you teeth?? I read about using the ndash character from the insert menu below the edit box and I use that, saves typos!. I have fixed up

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Why do you persist in harking on that issue (where I started the discssion by saying that you were right), but insist that you will not engage about your imposition of the American format? --

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I'm afraid that I won't have the time to take action for a few days, but will get on the case next week. If anyone wants to start work in the meantime, I'll lend my support when I'm back. --

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You have now responded, which is great. And I for one will be happy to discuss things, although not over christmas. But for now, there is one simple thing you can do to avoid admin action:

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and the rename nomination that I have put forward? This really looks equivalent to the episcopacy nominations that you have put forward: it only adds an additional layer of categories.

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and tell me what you think? As far as I can tell, it is simply redundant with the "Bishops" categories; "episcopacy" simply refers to the governing body of a church (i.e. the bishops).

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For what its worth, the M.E.Church, South did not in fact organize until 1845. Some Bishops went with it (from the M.E. Church), but it did not elect its own (new) Bishops until 1846.

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deleted, so that people can get an idea of the proportions. Once we have that, I suggest asking other people from CFD to offer their comments and suggestions before taking the issue to

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Just read your note. I agree it's highly unlikely that two British peers of the same name died on the same day. BTW, 81 seems like a fairly high age to die at for a person born in 1801.

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does not look to me like someone who is notable enough to merit a wikipedia article. Even if you dio create such an article properly, it will be deleted unless it passes the tests in

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that he does understand but is determined to ignore the conventions. Either way, it's now time to place a block on this activity, which has been far too disruptive for too long. --

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I'm not a computer expert so don't really understand how all this works but I hope you'll see this. Perhaps you can imagine my surprise when my son drew my attention to the page?

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Yes, good point. I find it's normally reasonable to guess, but having recently written about a miner who became a Conservative MP, I can see that it's an advantage to say clearly.

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to be the same person: Rayment lists them as sharing the same date of death, which I take as very high odds that they were, but I can't be sure. I'll add a note about this to the

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Unfortunately, if the categorisation is by area, then nearly all of the categories will be small, even if and when they are fully populated, and we are a long long way from that.

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However, I still think that the best idea is to start by creating power station categories for every state, and then see if those need subdivision by type. Hope this helps!--

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that he creates lists of the bishops for each episcopal area; if he did, we could see which if any of the areas have had enoug bishops that they might ever justify categories.

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My laptop is misbehaving weirdly, so I may be off-line for up to a week while I try to fix it ... so please don't expect any replies from me for a while. Damn computers :(

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In the meantime, however, we could stick with the existing categorisation of the bishops by denomination. That way the biggest current category has 55 articles, and even if

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However, you are also mistaken in calling these "personal attacks". I have criticised your actions, not you as a person, and I hope that you understand the difference.

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Sorry, I assumed that as I specifically stated I wasn't going to get into an argument over the other issue that you would realise I had taken your comments on board.

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is misunderstanding what these tags are about - they are firstly to improve the article not to delete them and he feels that they are "under attack" as he puts it. --

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useful or which show reasonable likelihood or being sufficiently populated in the near future. Surely lists are the way to go for now? --11:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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Is it a good idea to reverse the order we've used elsewhere and give the oldest ones 1st and the newest last, when on every other page we do it the other way around?

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category-creation has already become so deeply disruptive that admin intervention is now likely, and interfering with the tags could propel you rapidly towards a

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You have to use firstname, lastname in 'lifetime'; the DEFAULTSORT won't work with it. Can save a bit of time though were multiple categories are used. ----

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A few months ago, you voted to delete a category:Military brat. It has been reintroduced and once again is being nominated for deletion. The discussion is

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I've started a stub for Colin William Carstairs Turner as someone shortened the name on the Woolwich West page. If you have any info on CWCT, please add it.

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Hi, thanks for your recent edit to the above, I try to fix up dates to too if I am editing a page; I'm Australian so we use that order too. You did make a

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sorry, I missed this discussion/answer. I usually look for messages only on my talk page. I usually leave message for others on their talk pages. Sorry.

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write these articles and do all this research. Interesting how things happen. When people ask me about any hobbies, I have only one: this! Take care.

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The biggest problem that I see with the region breakdown is it is difficult for laypeople to put articles in the proper categories. I found an image at

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From what I can make out that website is a front for a far-right group. It is certainly nothing whatsoever to do with the EDP. Could you monitor it? --

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belief by others in the unhelpfulness of such cats/subcats. So, if you or others think these bad cats, then who am I to stop what you think is better?

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The more I look at the possible NRC names, the less I like any of them, but that ugly subdivision does have some use and it does divide the list a bit.

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month. (To be fair, I will also cite categories that may be kept or that have been kept.) Could you suggest how to proceed with such a discussion at

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the two, for example by adding some defining characteristic in parentheses after the name: e.g. "Alec Jones (footballer)" or "Alec Jones (barrister)".

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Again, I am not referring to whether 8 comes before December or after. Your edit re-inserted the ordinal suffix which is specifically listed as an

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What is going on!! The correct page has been deleted with RDEs correct name?? Why was the merge procedure not used ? Please undelete the page ASAP

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Maintaining separate categories for episcopacy of the various ancestral denominations over the years is awfully messy and of doubtful usefulness.

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Thanks very much! I'm trying to finish off a huge batch I am working on at the moment, and then I'll get back to these in the next few days. --

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PW, it is now 6 days since I posted on your talk page a message asking you NOT to create any new categories without discussing them first (see

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However, you appear not even to have been reading what's on your own talk page. After six days, you still have not responded to my message at

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appears to be properly used, and also to be the only one which predates PW's creations. The rest are just duplication and category clutter :( -

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thing. What would be the best course of action? If not then I will remove myself from editing the article to avoid an edit war. Thank you!

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Justa quick query on your edit to the table of members in Southport BHG. Is that what you actually intended or is it just a mistake? Thanks

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I worry about a similar problem regarding galaxies, but in most cases, the galaxies are united together in a few general categories (such as

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Very nice! How I have expected and I love it if my expectations are met! Greetings and thanks - I hope Kyrll/Cyril has passed you by well.

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However, after all the work done in December and January, this really is getting unacceptably disruptive. I think it's time to go back to

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I also used the lifetime and DEFAULTSORT templates as shown below, may be of interest to save having to specify the sort for each category:

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Sorry I didn't get to add my tuppenceworth before the CFD closed, but having just read it, I think I would still have voted to delete. --

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see what you think. Possibly we need to abbreviate by-election but I'm not keen on that idea either tbh :( Btw have a problem with the

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Gage (twice) and Sir William Gage, Bt). Would you just list each one with the relevant dates (i.e. it just seems a bit overly complex)?

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the departure of the Wesleyan Church in the early 19th century. Not sure how many bishops, if any, left the main branch at that time.

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I think that would be very useful. I hoped that we might avoid admin action by starting a dialogue, but I have been disappointed that

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makes it clear that they are separate parties, so I have reverted the latest addition of the link to the English Democratic Party. --

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for several links to the CFDs. The comment which you replied to above, about one-article subcats, is in that section of you talk page.

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Hi, I use it already for some days but nevertheless thank you for the note. Greetings and a happy and healthy new year too you, too.

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Could you please have a look at this article. Someone has been using multiple IP accounts to try to add bogus external links to the

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he's moved a page + talk page in which specific previous objections have been made to precisely this move. A loose canon, perhaps.

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An example would be helpful, e.g. do you think Pitt the Elders box for Seaford is correct (succ, pre and with are the same person).

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and try to make sense of it. (I hope what happened to the categories on schools does not happen to the categories on galaxies.)

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No the Brunner bit was fine, you've sorted out the loose end I was too idle to finish :) No was meaning the election column with

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Except when their episcopacy overlaped (i.e., began in the M.E. Church and continued into the Methodist, and possible U.M., too)

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Sorry about that; will keep it in mind in future. By the way, was it you who reverted my edit to Notable Irish people? Cheers!

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I will also look into whether it makes sense to create power station categories for some/all of the states and start that work.

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I am disappointed agin to see that you have not agreed to stop creating new categories, so it seems that we will have to go to

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susttains his current rate of progress on article creation, it will be a year or more before the categories become too full. --

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smaller subcats. That is the understanding I have been observing in my more recent cat creation. I seek to do so logically.

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there is no need to remove the tags: once the merger has taken place, the categories will be deleted, along with any CFD tags.

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work in that direction. Categories that are part of a reasonable series generally accept the fact that some will be small.

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The clerical order; the body of men set apart by ordination for religious service in the Christian church; opposed to laity.

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Since you created both articles I wonder if you have any sources on Craven-Ellis's party affiliation during his time here.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi, I need some assistance. I am rather new to this site, but I have run into some trouble and need some advice. On the

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Thank you. Even though you voted "oppose", you did provide a third viewpoint. Could you explain how I should deal with

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BTW did you see my suggestion about listification? In penance for my point-making, I have created the list for you at

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usage), but I thought that the idea of marking the by-elections was a good idea as long as the complete word was used.

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plants, and the next is Pennsylvania with five (there several with four), and all of hose are too small for my liking.

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Sorry, I was talking rubbish (hadn't checked as thoroughly as I should have). Have now changed my vote to merge. --

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added. Just it looks a bit of a bugger the way it is now in black and seperate from the date. Would changing it to

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from category creation? I have created a list of Pastorwayne categories that have been deleted or merged in WP:CFD

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Also, do the seaford boxes for the 2nd vis. gage look correct (2 boxes as he was elected on 2 distinct occasions)?

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Do not take an article on one person, and add the biography of another. Separate people deserve separate articles.

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Do not take an article on one person, and simply delete the text so that you can add details of another. That's

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If you want to create an article on someone else called Alec Jones, you need to create a separate article, and

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clergy, I can think people whose jobs at various times would have fitted neatly into each of those headings).

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removed the red linked category, but it does look like Pastorwayne was attempting to recreate the category.

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Does this make sense? I have no axe to grind here, so plesae discard all of the above if it doesn't help! --

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if necessary? I will at least make a list of the categories by Pastorwayne that have been deleted so far.

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On your second point (about good faith), let me be direct and blunt. (But before continuing, please read

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Unfortunately, I did not see this as an issue that could wait any longer. 13 of his categories landed in

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I understand your logic, but I didn't think that it was usual practice to create categories because they

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Hello & many thanks for cleaning up all of the categories. I did not know how to do it the easy way!

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I am contacting you so that you can revisit the discussion, but before doing so please read the article

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In this case, the links are noiw correct again, but in general, the advice is not to bypass redirects

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sources are avaialble to support "Tippu". So far, I can't se any such sources; have you found any? --

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Thank you. BTW, the text says he was MP from 1841 to 1847, whereas the succession box says 1847–1851.

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Sorry, it would be! Had meant to get back to you. Hopefully tomorrow, but maybe not until monday. --

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Gage's boxes are also correct: as you guessed, it's because he was elected on two difft occasions. --

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Sorry, I usually check more carefully, and should have checked those. Thanks for the correction. --

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Pastorwayne is now creating categories using a different method. Check his 3 January 2007 edits to

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tools to deal with this. If not I'll get around to sorting sometime in the next few weeks. Thanks

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I should have guessed that you would be quick to spot it! Anyway, it'll save us a lot of work. --

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is perhaps best known as a professional drunk, but he was a very fine writer. I personally hate

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only contains 22 articles not already sub-categorised, so largeness does not seem to be an issue.

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vote? Was the candidate then declared winner on the day by-election would have taken place? --

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Glad the suggestion helped! I hadn't thought about the other categs you mention, but since

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that I can see a way of satisying both your concerns and Zzzzzzz's: see my "weak oppose" at

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and manic manual editing. (If you don't already use AWB, I can thoroughly recommend it). --

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I have created an article on this British MP; you may wish to add appropriate categories.--

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No need for quite so much self-flagellation (if you'll excuse the long word! <grin: -->

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to the opening para: I hate having to read down to find what party a politician was in! --

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that I'm going to upload and put on the main page that will help with the subcategorizing.

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I like your additions, but I'm afraid that I'm rather shocked by some of your removals!

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until friday. However, I will try to grab some time before then, to lend my support for

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User talk:Pastorwayne#CFD for Category:Episcopacy_in_Christianity_and_some_sub-categories

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User talk:Pastorwayne#CFD_for_Category:Episcopacy_in_Christianity_and_some_sub-categories

711: 3829:? I keep on thinking of that book in the current discussion on missionary categories. 3548:, by a margin of 5,901 votes. A few other changes too, including moving the article to 2194:

has created a list of Pastorwayne's new categories (with the time and date of creation)

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After saying not to include honorifics in front of names it does give some exceptions:

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I don't know whether these recently-added chaps have been brought to your attention -

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help answer the question? If not, please lemme known and I'll try to explain more. --

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He now seems to be extending his efforts beyond Methodists: see today's creations of

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I guess I could be insulted but will just say "point taken", though you should know

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Sorry, I'm a bit slow today: which bit of the edit do you mean? The Brunners? see

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With the newer MPs, it's not so easy. Now that the Labour benches consist of what

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Mine too. It keeps moving the cursor 1 or 2 letters to the left in the browser. -

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the message I wrote on your talk page, you will see that I specifically said that

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Category talk:United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies by year of establishment

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Not saying its a bad idea, just it means a lot of work revising the other pages.

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birth/death dates (after using another source to get the exact d.o.b.) to read:

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are such discussions taking place? I would gladly engage in such conversation.

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or I'm afraid that the only removal I have seen so far which I approve of is

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Someone fixed the problems with the schools categories. Now they make sense.

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Hi there ... for the past few months I've been doing the new day transclude at

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on my

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be sufficiently populated in future. I would have no objection to those cats

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Category:United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies by year of establishment

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I'm sorry to say that I won't be online much until the end of the week, so I

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Google maps also shows a Winwick in Northampton, about 10 km east of Rugby.

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has posted a strong warning on Pastorwayne's talk page and has commented at

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Knowledge:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 15#Category:Galaxy_types

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Now that you are back from vacation, could you lead a formal action to bar

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One of the biggest problems with these categories is that, as I set out at

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Secretary of Health and Human Services page, to name one contrary source.

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also exists. Perhaps you can redirect the one to the other one. Greetings

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Knowledge:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Australian politicians

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You're right, that's insane. I hope they're as organized at home as that.

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I am inclined to think that "Church of Ireland" is more common usage. --

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Hope this helps! And thanks again for scrutinising my contributions. --

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become useful in a few years' time; I prefer to create categories which

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may cover multiple states. Does this explain my viewpoint adequately?

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disruptiveness is not the way to settle any differences in that regard.

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Can you help me out by giving links to the articles you mean? Thanks --

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tags on lots of articles and then edit warring to try to sustain them.

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Knowledge:Redirect#Don.27t_fix_links_to_redirects_that_aren.27t_broken

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Knowledge:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Other_non-royal_names)

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List of revocations of appointments to the Order of the British Empire

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I thought (cf UK MPs) that it would clarify matters if we called them

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person whose biography you tried insert into the article on Alec Jones

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like a category entry, which makes it less readily visible to me. --

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Hi, sorry for not getting to you more quickly to confim that they do

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So, answering your question, yes I do think that it is too esoteric

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Category:Bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South 1844-1939

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The priestly order in the Jewish and other non-Christian religions.

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CFD for Category:Episcopacy in Christianity and some sub-categories

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Heja, do you know perhaps to which constituency Winwick can refer?

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a proposal to categorise the NAW constituencies as "Parliamentary"

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plus a clutch today of essential cats for Dominica stemming from

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response to my request to him to desist from creating categories.

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I guess things haven't changed quite as much as I assumed, then.

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Oh dear, I really thought that he had turned over a new leaf. :(

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to show the recreation, and tagged it for speedy deletion with

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used the merge procedure, and if you check the edit history of

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Hi PW, just a quick reply because I'm in the middle of a big

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1847–1851. Do you by chance know whether that might have been

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could be high: the government as so determined to defeat the

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Hi Greenshed, thanks for your kind words. I have replied at

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I was particularly disappointed that when we were discussing

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could be made using some relevant subdivisions of the era.)

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Category:Bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church 1784-1939

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Category:Bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church 1784-1939

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I try to read my messages. I may have missed some. Sorry.

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Oh my goodness. :( :( :( This category is utter nonsense.

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because most Methodist Bishops are/were elected for life.

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Category:Bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South

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earlier) with a list of categories he created which were

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Category:Methodist missionaries to British North America

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I have finshed a lot of tweaking. What do you think? --

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MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 1935

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MPs elected in the United Kingdom general election, 1906

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on 1 January 2007 alone (and I nominated none of them).

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good! I just took a peep, and it dooes seem coherent. --

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MP, then there are a number of things you need to know.

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http://www.englishdemocraticparty.org.uk/partyname.html

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I asked a few questions about missionary categories at

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Hi Madame Expert .-) , would you please take a look on

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take time to learn how the categorisation system works?

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Formal action to bar Pastorwayne from category creation

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CFD for Category:United Methodist bishops by U.S. State

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Hi, I know nothing which speaks against it. Greetings

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Renaming - John Cooper, Baron Cooper of Stockton Heath

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Category:Bishops of the United Methodist Church 1968-?

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time I have done this was when I shifted the text of

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Hi Dierman, I'm afraid that it was a wrong move: see

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Here are my questions. Please respond when you can.

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will help (I wonder if it will), please do. Cheers,

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Category talk:Bishops of the United Methodist Church

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Thanks for adding your opinion to the discussion of

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Category:United Methodist bishops by Episcopal Area

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Category:United Methodist bishops by Episcopal Area

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Category:United Methodist bishops by U.S. State (2)

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Will go here now. -- 1873:Category:United Methodist bishops by Jurisdiction 1632:Category:United Methodist bishops by Jurisdiction 1611:Category:United Methodist bishops by Jurisdiction 618:Just in case you have created or see any others. 5450:Please comment on the unblock request posted by 4757:Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales 4753:Category:Attorneys-General for England and Wales 4726:Category:Attorneys-General for England and Wales 4722:Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales 4716:Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales 4625:Westminster (UK Parliament constituency)#History 4081:Category:Christian missionaries in North America 2865:Bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South 2796:Thanks for your response/support/suggestions. ~ 1098:He is creating and populating more as I write - 4202:North Warwickshire (UK Parliament constituency) 3867:Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Ireland 2930:(I was not thinking of subcats, but subcats of 2880:(the 2nd a split from the first) for instance. 2227:(created December 29, 2006) and then put into 2011:So, I ask again: please Pastorwayne: will you 1502:? 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Have also corrected the 1939 ref to 3160:Greetings and thanks for starting work on 2233:Category:American expatriates in Singapore 5416:Thanks for the note. You are right, and 5354:Vintagepoints is also simply wrong about 4653:describe the Assembly as a Parliament. 4549:I read that wrongly here. Thanks! :) -- 1030:all suffer from exactly the same problem. 5079:Category:Linguists of Biblical languages 4491:If you would be kind enough to actually 3406:Southampton (UK Parliament constituency) 3385:see appropriate. (I am also contacting 3377:Pastorwayne is creating categories again 3168:and I would be grateful for your views. 3081:Category sorting of Rolf Dudley-Williams 1790:I have no doubt that many more articles 1028:Category:Episcopacy in Roman Catholicism 4920:The creationist has resumed his work - 4724:, it might be interesting for you that 4070:Category:Christian missionaries in Asia 3947:Fair enough! THanks for the reply. -- 2382:. We will now see whether this works. 2286:not be able to add my tuppenceworth at 1928:User talk:Pastorwayne#Category_creation 1825:User_talk:Pastorwayne#Category_creation 1329:Category:Galaxies by morphological type 1319:Category:Galaxies by morphological type 1266:Category:Galaxies by morphological type 1020:Category:Episcopacy in United Methodism 853:for disambiguation? Thanks in advance. 849:? If not, would you mind to add him to 14: 4987:is being debated is also disruptive. 4801:Southport (UK Parliament constituency) 3458:Cricklade (UK Parliament constituency) 3451:Cricklade (UK Parliament constituency) 2237:Category:American expatriates in India 2045:it is not. That helps me learn, too. 1728:the CFD for Methodist bishops of Japan 522:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5169:Category:United Methodist Wikipedians 4601:I think that the basic answer is yes. 3891:Bishop of Clogher (Church of Ireland) 3561:Great stuff. Thanks for your help.-- 3423:is probably the best place for this. 3415:lists him as a Conservative (as does 3087:Sir Rolf Dudley-Williams, 1st Baronet 2422:, particularly where it says in bold 2333:, the recreation of this category is 5240:is (IRHO) an undersung heroine, and 4386:Anyway, thanks for telling me about 4327:User talk:Weggie#Ruth_Dudley_Edwards 4171:Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet 4165:Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet 3881:List of Anglican Bishops of Killaloe 3711:Seaford (UK Parliament constituency) 3327:Note to self: don't forget these! -- 1951:please try to understand me feeling 1744:The following discussion is closed. 1035:As per previous discussions at CFD, 981:Category:Episcopacy in Protestantism 975:Category:Episcopacy in Protestantism 2467:PS On personal atacks, please read 2255:and his rapid category creation at 1883:unless someone else beats me to it. 1361:By the way, someone should look at 1325:Category:Galaxy morphological types 1261:Category:Galaxy morphological types 1024:Category:Episcopacy in Christianity 23: 5542:User:Dgies/Humorously named people 4876:User:BrownHairedGirl/Southport MPs 4169:Hi, me again. I saw someone moved 3840:a rather difft take on it all. -- 2818:Persondata display / Harold Caccia 2739:Category:Coal-fired power stations 1299:already exists, how about having: 1120:Category:Episcopacy in Anglicanism 1079:Category:Episcopacy in Anglicanism 1012:Category:Episcopacy in Lutheranism 1008:Category:Episcopacy in Anglicanism 809:has smiled at you! Smiles promote 798: 696:Hi James, if you are referring to 24: 5586: 5187:Category:Oxford University alumni 5181:Category:Oxford University alumni 5171:? 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I noticed that another user 2231:(created December 30, 2006), 2143:Colin William Carstairs Turner 1317:I hadn't thought about having 841:says Samuel Martin was MP for 13: 1: 5343:through having a seat in the 5176:10:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5151:10:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5130:18:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5118:19:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 5086:21:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 5066:11:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 5038:21:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 5025:20:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 5018:Philip Potter (church leader) 5004:17:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4992:16:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4969:14:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4933:14:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4906:17:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 4822:Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet 4818:Sir John Brunner, 2nd Baronet 4790:06:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 4764:22:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4744:20:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4720:Heja, since you have created 4708:01:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4676:19:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4640:11:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4596:09:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4581:18:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4554:22:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4528:22:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4507:22:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4479:22:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4462:22:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4448:22:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 4408:22:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4399:21:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4373:21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4346:11:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4321:11:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4309:11:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4173:that you recently edited, to 4025:Missionary category questions 3307:21:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC) 3295:12:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC) 3241:Charles Edward Howard Vincent 3195:Historic districts of Ontario 3023:The clerical estate or order 2779:by state wouldn't be helpful. 2155:18:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 2135:16:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 2120:16:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 2104:15:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 2083:15:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 2054:15:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 2020:15:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1998:15:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1988:15:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1961:15:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1938:15:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1914:15:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1904:14:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1854:13:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1832:15:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1809:15:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1800:02:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC) 1760:20:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC) 1710:23:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 1684:15:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1665:14:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1639:08:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1627:07:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC) 1589:20:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC) 1558:20:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC) 1548:18:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC) 1529:18:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC) 1511:16:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC) 1474:14:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC) 1448:16:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 1434:08:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 1404:14:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1387:14:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1374:13:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1345:12:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1283:12:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1223:11:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1205:10:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1187:00:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC) 1172:New day transclude for WP:CFD 1147:10:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC) 1127:21:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 1107:20:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 1086:20:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 1066:19:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 1044:19:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 988:19:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 937:22:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 908:22:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC) 889:10:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC) 868:10:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC) 858:06:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC) 788:17:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC) 742:21:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC) 689:20:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC) 652:18:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC) 595:13:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC) 5244:is a key historical figure; 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Greetings 4695:National Assembly for Wales 3085:I've reverted your edit to 2803: 2753:23:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2748: 2676:21:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2665:16:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 2632:22:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2622:22:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2596:21:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2585:01:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2556:10:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2544:10:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2517:00:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 2501:18:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC) 2486:Asbury Theological Seminary 2476:02:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC) 2459:02:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC) 2402:20:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC) 2387:19:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 2370:15:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 2355:15:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 2342:15:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 2312:14:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC) 2277:22:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2264:22:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2244:21:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2216:11:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2203:10:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2173:01:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC) 2075:to request a ban on you. :( 1498:(By the way, have you seen 35:message for BrownHairedGirl 10: 5591: 5483:01:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5459:01:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5435:00:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5411:00:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5379:02:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5317:00:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5296:00:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC) 5279:23:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC) 5231:23:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC) 5211:23:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC) 4985:Category:Christian pastors 4980:Category:Methodism in Ohio 4976:Category:Methodism in Iowa 4751:Thanks! 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