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general needs work. I should start with the assertion that bituminous shale is a terrible name for oil shale, as nearly all of the organic matter in oil shale is kerogen, not bitumen. So there is merit in renaming oil shale as kerogen shale or kerogenous shale in light of confusion caused by oil production from fine-grained source rocks, but there is a lot of history to overturn with that move. I resisted renaming tar sand as oil sands for years--it would have made much more sense to rename them bitumen sands. The logic for the change was twofold, I understand. One was an attempt to make them more politically acceptable, which I think is nonsense. Then I heard the justification that they should be called that in analogy to oil shale as a source of oil. The same logic applies to calling the grapes used to make wine as wine grapes, as Jerry Boak says frequently. I got quite a bit of input from Ken Peters and Joe Curiale, both very prominent petroleum geochemists, on the pyrobitumen article. Joe was particularly aghast that the online Encyclopedia Britannica still considers lignite coal as pyrobitumen. I see how the bituminous term could be stretched for higher rank coals, but some of the old nomenclature systems are not logical. An interesting question is whether Knowledge could be a driving force on trying to straighten out nomenclature. Common terms such as clay, shale, and shale oil have multiple meanings in difference contexts, and scientists do not agree completely on their precise meaning. This spills over into confusion in the general public. For example, people talk about producing shale oil by hydraulic fracturing. Of course, if one claims that shale must be a fine-grained fissile rock with more than 50% clay minerals, most such formations are not shales, as hydraulic fracturing works best with higher carbonate content, I am told, because they are more brittle. If one realizes that clay also means fine particles less than 5 microns, these unconventional reservoirs are shales, even though scientists are moving to more consistently call them mudrocks, which does not imply mineralogy. It is worth continuing the dialog. Alan

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moving material into the branch articles is a great improvement. Because of my conflict of interest, I have not contributed as much as I otherwise would, especially on controverted environmental and regulatory points, even though there is a lot of blatant POV and misinformation on these topics. So your disinterested editing of these articles is especially appreciated.

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which I suggest adding to the end of the existing 'Ownership' section, that would be much appreciated. The Financial Times article referenced also states that Puma Energy employs 6,000 people – until now we've only had primary sources with that figure, so that could also be updated at the same time. Many thanks.

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forecourt in Brisbane and the other's an aerial shot of Puma's fuel terminals in Guatemala. As you'll see the photographer has granted permission for them to be used under Creative Commons 3.0. What do you think? I wonder if they could go into the Activities by Region section. The captions would just

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I am fully agree but at the same time providing link to the discussion instead of harsh comments would be the simple courtesy appreciated by Wikiquette. As far I found out where the discussion is going on, I posted my comment there. It is also always suitable to use the article's talk page to discuss

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What articles you exactly means? As I already explained about coal gasification, this was technical split of existing material which was not introduced by me. There are certainly articles where I have added some unsourced text back my starting years here when I was still newcomer and not aware of all

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unreferenced material -and so many times on the WP articles that you appear to chief edit- these are enough accusations, "advice" and other negative comments. You ignore absolutely basic netiquette: addressing users by name (so it lands in their message box). You are being addressed, but dont appear

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In essence: The company is indeed notable for multiple things, two of them being its former Research Director and the Illinois Supreme Court case. Both of those things are noteworthy, so I don't think the article should be renamed to anything else but instead remain at the name of the company itself.

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I am not accusing you not recognizing backwardcopy. I am also taking responsibility of all my actions here in Knowledge. However, I am not tolerating false accusations and personal attacks. As for "the issue of introducing completely unsourced material" I would like to repeat one more time that I am

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Again, it was written before finding out where the source was provided. So I don't think it was arrogant (at least it was not meant to be). If the direct link to discussion has been provided after my request, that kind of misunderstanding would be avoided. Also, if you look the notice at the top of

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Hi Beagel - nice to hear from you. Yes, I'd be happy to work on this article - most of us eventually get to a stage where we've been working too long, and/or looking too long, at a piece of writing:) It's not very far from being GA-quality; wonderfully referenced. My first thought after a very quick

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I agree that these subcats should be reviewed and cleaned-up, if necessary. At the same time I am afraid that every of these subcats may have their own arguments which may complicate achieving consensus on the current merger proposal. Therefore I prefer the step-by-step approach. But, in general, I

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I think it is. Canvassing is a leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Requesting

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article looks good to me, particularly the environmental section. My opinion is that when a subject has a separate article, the main article should have no more than a link and a summary paragraph, but I am probably outvoted on this. Your effort in summarizing these sections in the main article and

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Community Involvement Dr. Al-Sada is an active member of the Qatari community and has served as a member of several distinguished committees and organizations, including the Permanent Constitution Preparation Committe, and the National Committee for Human Rights. He is currently the Chairman of the

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on 14 June 2009. The page history of that page now serves as the attribution history for the contents of the associated project or article page."), you would see that I am not the author of that text. Therefore, using that kind of notice template at my talk page as you used is not justified. About

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In April 2007, Dr. Al-Sada was appointed as the Minister of State for Energy and Industry Affairs. On 18 January 2011, he replaced Abdullah bin Hamad Al Attiyah in the post of Minister of Energy and Industry. The following month, he was also appointed as the Chairman and Managing Director of Qatar

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Dear Beagel, I received your message about merging the article on pyrobitumen with one on bituminous shale. That, in turn, has a link to a short article on organic-rich sedimentary rocks that needs a lot of work. At the moment, I don't think that is a good idea, but I do agree that this area in

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has too many short sub-sections that consist of only a few sentences. Two options - they could be combined, eliminating the subheadings, along with more intro sentences, or the subsections could be individually expanded. Also, district heating use isn't discussed, unless I missed something? Or it

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Within Qatar’s energy industry, Dr. Al-Sada is also currently the Chairman of the Board of RasGas, Qatargas, Qatar Chemical Company (Q-Chem), Qatar Petroleum International (QPI), Qatar Gas Transport Company (Nakilat), Qatar Chemical and Petrochemical Marketing and Distribution Company (Muntajat),

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Of course. The changes list are currently off-site in a non-wiki format, will bring it in and start a discussion as soon as the dam template is done, just to avoid making things look messy. Thought of just letting you know anyway since you are one of the key people at the energy wikiproject. Best

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on the talk page for Puma Energy on the 17th last year. Trafigura has reduced its stake in Puma with a sale of shares to existing minority shareholders as well as a further divestment to Sonangol, which now owns 30% of the company. If you could take a look at the proposed four-sentence paragraph,

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and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the

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I got the message on why my updates were deleted. Our only objective is really just to ensure that the Knowledge information on Dr. Mohammed bin Saleh Al-Sada is correct, as many people are using this information to introduce him during conferences and other events. Unfortunately, there are many

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I think this was just misunderstanding as the previous page moves happened in February 2013 and now we have February 2014. As a rule, if the page was moved as a result of RM discussion, it needs a new RM discussion before moving to the new title. However, as I said, by my understanding the later

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The accusation of not filling in as "the template requires that sources are included (there is a specific parameter 'url=' for this purposes)-it is at the proper page..." is incorrect, and you did realize it, since you posted on "the "proper" page (above)already but you didnt admit the error or

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Thank you very much. I fully agree what you said about Industry subsections. I just waited to see if there would be enough information to satisfy sub-sections or not. I think that at the moment they could stay and lets make the decision later. I also try to find some information about district

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I've just been notified of this discussion. @IIO, I resent the suggestion that I'm some sort of loose cannon changing names without consensus. And looking at the article history, I see that noone has changed it back since the move I initiated. So what is the point of this comment?

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Again, this did not help me as at that point I still did not understand what is the exact problem. Providing direct link would be helpful and avoid further misunderstandings. Another possibility to avoid this misunderstang would be if you have linked my name when you filed

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Career Dr. Al-Sada held the position of Director Technical of Qatar Petroleum, wherein he directed the implementation of major oil & gas projects and related infrastructure projects. He also previously served as the Managing Director of RasGas Company Limited.

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I made this change as verified and non-controversial factual change. I remember you link with Trafigura; however, thank you mentioning it. Paid editing has become highly controversial and in this respect the maximum transparency is essential.

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Dr. Al-Sada’s position remained unchanged in the cabinet reshuffle in June 2013, which saw the change of the country’s prime minister. Therefore, he is part of the cabinet led by prime minister Abdullah bin Nasser bin Khalifa Al Thani.

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the process of tagging for copyvio PRESCRIBES to put this template ("courtesy" message) on the user's page that one finds having introduced potential copyvio material to the article page. I didnt choose a "welcome message" so dont

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was never mentioned at my talk page or originally at the article's page. I would help if this has been provided instead of newcomer's welcome messages. As of content, it would be better to be discussed at the article's talk page.

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Education Dr. Al-Sada graduated from the Qatar University with a Bachelor of Science degree in Marine Science and Geology. He also holds a PhD from the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (UMIST).

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Please disregard. EvergreenFir based this speedy on a "company approved" rewrite by RasGas representatives, without seeing that a non-spammy version had existed previously. I've reverted to the last "good" version.

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policies, but it is not a case anymore and it is inappropriate to make that kind of accusations now. Also, could you please explain which my comment you consider as negative? I definitely not intended to make any

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and put the reference in a Harvard template in the HTML. Would you mind having a look and making those small changes when you have a moment? To disclose my COI, you'll remember that Trafigura is my client. Many

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Gulf International Services and Qatar International Petroleum Marketing Company Ltd. (Tasweeq). In addition, he is also the Chairman of the Board of ASTAD Project Management, Industries Qatar, and Qatar Steel.

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state clearly the source of the image. If it has been copied from elsewhere on the web you should provide links to: the image itself, the page which uses it and the page which contains the license conditions.

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Hi Beagel, re your recent revert at Oil sands, I think if you check the cited source, you'll see it doesn't really support the statement as given. At minimum some rephrasing and reattribution is required.

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I had just read your responses to my latest comments and was about to read the kukersite section when I saw something is wrong with the refs. A ref needs fixing but I don't know how to fix it.

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I am sorry but I don't understand to what case you are referring. You posted a notice on my talk page and as it was posted on my talk page I answered here and notified you about my answer

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These are very harsh accusations targeted against me as an editor and not discussing the potential copyvio issue what was the starting point of this thread. I try to answer point-by-oint.

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It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See

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Hi, Kopiersperre. I may send the data file in the excel format. Unfortunately it seems that I can't upload files to the Knowledge mail, so maybe you could send me your e-mail address?

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a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under license allowed by Knowledge, then you should do one of the following:

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Hi Beagel, hope you're well. It's recently been reported that Claude Dauphin, formerly chairman and CEO of Trafigura, is now its executive chairman after a management reshuffle (see

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Greetings again. I saw on my watchlist that you (quite reasonably) reverted Geo project editor Colonies Chris' move of that double-barreled Vietnamese dam to full Vietnamese fonts

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You ignore absolutely basic netiquette: addressing users by name (so it lands in their message box). You are being addressed, but dont appear to return the favor of using the

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Sorry, but I think I have expressed an opinion in this area before so I really can not close that discussion. If I made a comment today, I would likely oppose the change.

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Im very Thankful to you for the advices you gave me, actually im not enough used to wikipedia that i dont know how to develope articles and how to make conversations. :)

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the place, where discussions should take place per the copyvio flag, is not up to you, or on your private talk page, but a special neutral space as indicated on the flag

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the place, where discussions should take place per the copyvio flag, is not up to you, or on your private talk page, but a special neutral space as indicated on the flag

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mu talk page, you see that I am at the moment without a permanent Internet connection and in course of a limited access to Internet, I have to focus topics to deal with.

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Anyway, I have prepared a draft correction below for your review and kindly advise on whether this is okay and I would be very grateful for any guidance or assistance.

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Sorry to hear you had a sad time. I can only offer virtual flowers, sympathy, copy editing when you'd like it, and appreciation for all you've done here. Best wishes.

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somebody to advocate your point of view does not qualify as a neutral point of view. As a rule, editors invited this way are discouraged to comment the discussion.

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heating. I don't think they use raw oil shale anymore (probably shale oil in some places) and its share is not too big but lets see what would be possible to find.

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errors and be productive. I am especially troubled to have frequently seen you judge harshly, but obviously use a double standard, when it comes to yourself. --

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Joint Advisory Board (JAB) of Texas A&M University at Qatar (TAMUQ) and he is also a Board Member of Qatar Foundation and of the Supreme Education Council.

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unreferenced material -and so many times on the WP articles that you appear to chief edit- these are enough accusations, "advice" and other negative comments.

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errors and be productive. I am especially troubled to have frequently seen you judge harshly, but obviously use a double standard, when it comes to yourself.

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I greatly appreciate the work you have been doing on energy-related articles, particularly those related to hydraulic fracturing. Your reorganization of the

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The is no need for accessdates in a reference when the source has a publication date, ( also applys when the content is archived with a clear archive date)

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Hi Rehman. I tool a look and I have some comments and questions. But I think it would be more beneficial to have the centralized discussion, probably at

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I have to correct myself. It seems that the problematic part (if I assume correctly what the editor who tagged that article means) is originating from

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content, it would be useful if you could explain at the article's talk page what text exactly and from which source is copyvio. Thank you very much.

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for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can

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However, if you would like to help in additional research to try to find more references to use in this article -- I would most appreciate that ! —

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Thank you for your notice, Wurzele. However, if you would look the edit summary of my first edit at that article (it says: "spin-off from the

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comment and, if so, I apology for any comment you may consider as negative. At the same time I feel your comments being not in line with

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and send an email with confirmation of permission to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". Make sure you quote the exact page name,

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has been very quiet. In fact, discussions from the past year and a half take up less space than the banners. I see no harm in replacing

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page tag contains all the info you needed to comprehend and work productively on the issues. You also didnt carefully read my remark on

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addresses me directly but the name was never linked so I became aware of it only several days later (instead of automatic notification).

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deserve place in the category. The link in the articles would also be a plus. can you accept with these reasons to return the change?

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Beagel, thank you for reading my work (I have also seen it elsewhere...sorry for being busy). In my opinion the main articles of the

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This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.

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Umm, it's a long-standing page, and on looking again, I'm not sure that there is a serious problem anyway, I've restored

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As far as "I do not intend to spend more time with this issue" (which is rather arrogant): you wont have a choice.

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As far as "I do not intend to spend more time with this issue" (which is rather arrogant): you wont have a choice.

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erroneous information on there and it would be greatly appreciated if this could be corrected as soon as possible.

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I'd appreciate if you stop kneejerk accusations, fault finding, erroneous advice and instead apologize, admit

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saying you have done so and an administrator will move the new article into place once the issue is resolved.

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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to be eligible for inclusion. If you would like any assistance with this, you can ask a question at the

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Vietnam geo names RfC overrules earlier RM discussion. So there is no complain about your action.

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with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going

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Congratulations! And done while you weren't feeling good! - hope that improves or has improved.

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be "Puma Energy forecourt in Brisbane, Australia" and "Puma Energy fuel terminals in Guatemala"

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the editor who introduced this text into Knowledge. As I am desribed above, I made a split from

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Would you mind if I added some important Petroleum industry subcats to the merger nomination?

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Hi Beagel, thanks for that. Yes it's very important and I always disclose a COI. Thanks again.

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may you publish the data file for your diagram? I would like to create a SVG version.--

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