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485:"(some members)" is not a great reason to include something in a template of far-right groups in any case, surely? Notable far right party members could be listed amongst the individuals. Whether or not to include the English Democrats and UKIP should be based on those articles; where the description should be down to an assessment of reliable sources, especially academic sources. There's a case either way for those two. The Conservative Party is not an active far-right group. 310:, as noted above. If no one responds to a discussion are contributors expected just to never do anything? Of course not. If UKIP aren't far-right at all, why are they already included in this template? It is undeniable that some Tories have crossed the line from centre-right to far-right. I included two links to articles using "far-right" to describe the party's policies and/or members. 135:
right organisation and that some members had nobler international relations aims in mind. For these reasons I feel it should be left in but, in keeping with your concerns, be moved to the related articles in order to inidicate that, whilst it was a part of British far right development it was not in itself a specifically far right movement. Indeed, taking advantage of the
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Re. right-wing, it's not about individual members but about the official party policy. It's a tricky subject anyway, because most mainstream parties embrace a mix of both the traditionally left- and right-wing approaches to individual political issues. Where a party is consistently left/right, it is,
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either. If there's any controversy about how, objectively, to describe a political organisation and its positions, we neutrally record both sides in the article. If the way we pigeonhole an article favours one controversial interpretation against another, it would be better to leave it uncategorised.
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There's nothing "right" or "left" about that plan. Much like there was nothing "right" or "left" about keeping people in Guantánamo in violation of several Geneva Conventions. Rather, the plan is a questionable practice that may (or may not) violate human rights. However, human rights violations are
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The Anglo-German Fellowship was important for Nazi sympathisers in Britain in co-ordinating with Germany and so belongs in the template. By the same token I take your point that explicitly it was just a group of people seeking to build closer relationships between the two countries rather than a far
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I don't think I'll bother contributing to Knowledge anymore. One of the appeals of Knowledge over other encyclopaedias such as Britannica, is that it's able to adapt and evolve as times change. Seems like editors are more interested in maintaining the established status-quo than documenting the
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on there, who's very definitely renounced his former views (given that he's now an anti-fascist activist), but given that, like Harrington, he was a key figure in the far right post-1945, and he's still involved with the far right, if only in the sense of opposition to it (as Ray Hill is).
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in this template with the caveat "some members", but not the Tories? I am not and would not argue that the Conservative party is a far-right or extremist entity or that every Tory is some far-right fascist, but then neither do I think we should ignore the elements which are far-right.
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The far-right label at leasts exists on the UKIP page, which was added since the above thread. I'm not sure about the consensus Kashmiri mentions. Either way that doesnt justify inclusion of the Tories —
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This template is to do with British Far Right, the Fourteen Words were coined by an American and are of international significance to the Far Right, not just Britain. Remove please.
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with the same caveat of "(some members)"? I would argue that in recent years some party members and party policies have become unmistakeably far right. Take for example, the
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Labelling the Conservative party far-right based on (very questionable) claims that some members are far-right is not how any reputable encyclopedia should conduct itself —
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shifting political landscape. Some Tories are far-right, I honestly don't know how anyone can look at the preponderance of evidence available in 2023 and deny that.
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should be on here. Though some far-right activists were members, I don't think this was a far-right organisation. I'll try and find a source if I remember.
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Neither UKIP nor the Conservatives have a consistently right-wing position on all issues, and are certainly much more in the centre than, say,
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There is also no consensus for the far-right label given to UKIP (see the thread at the top of the page, albeit from 15 years ago).
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This has been discussed on the Tory article talk page numerous times and there is no consensus for that label. —
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Why is UKIP on here? If anything, they're just mildly conservative. May I remove it from this list please?
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Knowledge adapts as things change, but Knowledge also is not a collection of yesterday's press clippings.
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is doing on this list. It's been roughly two decades since he was a member of the
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You're right re. discussion, and indeed it's usually ok to be bold; we even have
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committed equally by so-called left-wing and so-caled right-wing governments.
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spirit that is part of this talk page I will make the changes now.
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I think we should definitely have him on the list: we've got
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which has been described by some outlets as "far right" (
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Talk:Joshua Bonehill#Addition of Bonehill to the navbox
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and make the change, since there's been no responses.
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Harris
Morgan
21:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
WP:NPOV
be bold
Patrick Harrington
British National Front
National Liberal Party
Radical Centre
Gnostrat
talk
02:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Ray Hill
unsigned
Thedisillusionedyouth
talk
contribs
13:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Anglo-German Fellowship
Opera hat
talk
22:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
be bold
Keresaspa
talk
15:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
unsigned
147.251.214.12
talk
17:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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