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Thank you! It's a nice and neat navbox. When I have time I will go check up on the taxobox subtaxa section for
Psittacopasseres - not sure if it's necessarily current, or if it reflects the uncertainty in positioning of many taxa. In general, it's hard to represent ambiguous positions with diagrams
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Thank you for making this and similar templates. Regarding this navbox in particular, I'm not quite sure about the organisation - specifically, in how non-panpsittaciform birds are included in an ostensibly stem-parrot navbox. The phylogenetic position of many genera are uncertain, it's true, and
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Australaves, and synonym Psittacopasseres. "Psittacimorphae" is
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moreover a lot of these birds have historically been thought parrotlike - but the current position in published work is to treat them as part of a widespread, diverse radiation of arboreal birds, in their own right. They are also equally distantly related to passerines and parrots.
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Hello, thanks for reaching up ! In this case, it was an arbitrary decision on my part to draw the line at
Passeriformes, to avoid a too large navbox. I preferred, in this occasion, to use the nomenclature used in the
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Psittacopasseres page itself as well.
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