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Nuclear Constabulary. Although technically not a police force I think the NCA should be part of this box as they are a specialist law enforcement agency with powers of arrest working alongside all of the above. All the other regional and specialist units are not police forces but are staffed by officers either on attachement or secondment from their home force. The ROCUs, regional counter terrorist units and motorway units along with wildlife etc etc should not be part of this box. The only other to mention is the very small ports contabularies. They perhaps should be part of a new force box.
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This template has become unwieldy and actually inaccurate. The title of the template is Police Forces of the United
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This template shows the main territorial forces for the UK. It does this rather well. There is a lot of further information it could show, however there needs to be discussion here about what that should be. I am of the opinion that adding anything further needlessly clutters the template and creates
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Hammersfan, I've just reverted your edit which re-instated line breaks. I think we've got to a stage where a number of people agree (largely) on the template (certainly
Mrsteviec, Astrotrain, myself)... Can you try and talk over your concerns first rather than jumping right in? It's not good having
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I agree that the box has got too massive and covers all sorts of units which of themselves are certainly not police forces. In legal terms you have the 43 territorial police forces of
England & Wales, Police Scotlant and the PSNI for territorial police forces. Special police forces then add
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Hammersfan, I've reverted your edit which placed the
Scottish links on two lines. You do not know a users screen-width, and I do not know yours - best to leave the web-browser to flow the text so it fits into a users screen as best it can. The manual 2 line split does not look too good. I also
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England. Constables are sworn with jurisdiction in England and Wales as an area. The forces of England and Wales are too numerous to be listed as a single wodge and so breaking them down by region makes sense. Legally Wales is a region of England and Wales.
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Also, probably the NCA should be included, though legally this is not a police force. The rest of the various units and regional squads listed are not police forces and the template is therefore misleading. I will start altering it unless there is any objections?
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There appears to be a fight over jurisdictions with this infobox. To separate out
Scottish forces into separate areas is pointless. There are only eight of them and Scotland is a single legal jurisdiction. England and Wales are a single jurisdiction. Wales is
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I think that edit so it's all on one line is going in the right direction. I've just removed the
English regions and alpha-sorted the English forces - one one line the sub-division of England doesn't make sense and slows down a user findind what they want.
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includes the port ones already - best to keep those there I think. I think the territorial police forces, special police forces and the NCA should stay here, and all the national & regional units should go into a separate navbox - I think that is what
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In that case, perhaps we should dispense with categorising by country and just have one single alphabetical list - after all, each article page has a map to show whether the force is from
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Nor any support ;) You've got people above saying they're happy with the version all on one line with country divisions - lets just leave it like that eh? It confuses the matter too that the edit was with an IP account.
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should have their own group in the table (named something like "Regional units" of "Joint agencies", rather than being in the footer bar of the table. If no-one objects I'll implement this change in a few days.
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With regards to the flag icon I don't mind. Of the two options above I find the first more appropriate - it is smaller (half the size roughly) and makes better use of the available space. Thanks/
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No problem with changing any of the links. My main concern is that as a footer template it was just as long (or longer) than some of the articles it was placed in; thus dominating the article.
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