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I don't know what's meant by "county-like". In any case, I haven't ever seen them referred to as counties. There used to be things called counties in Quebec, and I'm not certain to what extent RCMs are like those. Regardless, I think what matters is usage. Do you believe they are sometimes referred
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I don't see that happening. Regions are not that distinct when it comes to history, culture, amenities (as opposed to a particular large city such as
Toronto). However, a template of that type should not be combined with this navbox, which shouldn't go beyond subdivisions and communities. Sure, if
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A one-size-fits-all approach complicates adaptation of the regional portions to peculiarities of the regions. For example, Template:Nord-du-Québec has a line with
Aboriginal administrations. Template:Urban agglomeration of Montreal could eventually contain a line with all the boroughs of Montreal,
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is also defined as "a county level municipal government". If the territories are considered equivalent to RCM's, can't we just call them that, instead of being overly verbose? To me it seems that it just loads the template, but than, again, I don't live in Quebec, and might miss some of the finer
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Sounds good; as long as those topics are region specific, I suppose it's a good idea to group them in the regional navbox. The links should be concise, however ("Regional county municipalities and equivalent territories(*)" is is a bit too long of a link title, it clutters the navbox, "Counties"
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The regional templates document criteria for inclusion of municipalities. These criteria differ by region. While it is possible in theory to include them in the "Subdivisions of Quebec" template, the documentation for it is already massive and it would be further complicated by doing this
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Template:Estrie into the present template as optional portions of this template. Although I think this is by no means disastrous, I still think it would be best to leave the regional templates separate. Here are a few reasons:
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I'm opposed to "counties" because it seems inaccurate to me. I've never seen any sources refer to them that way. If being concise is important, then "RCMs and TEs" is perfectly acceptable, or "RCMs and equivalent". The French
Knowledge uses "MRC et territoires Ă©quivalents (*)". See
620:. The old counties, townships, and parishes of Quebec are similar to MRCs in level (above town, village, city)... But Metro Montreal is larger than two regions contained within it, and contains parts of other MRCs... So if MRCs are Counties, then regions are Duchies, of Quebec.
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Why should there be "enough" material? Currently, it's very easy to just add a line to one of the regional templates, perhaps for one or two items. One might even at first have a line called "other topics," adding for example
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