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For me, "slacks" today are pants/trousers that are somewhat dressy and definitely not made of denim. But it's an everyday word for me, with no feeling of being formal or old-fashioned. (Slacks can be formal or old-fashioned, but the word isn't.) I don't think cords can be called slacks.
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