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Makes sense and I bow to your greater knowledge. That's why I asked instead of messing up the article deleting it. I'm not an expert on the etymology of the word, just lived on various spots on the US coastline a long time. I'd like to see an article somewhere which actually defines rather than lists
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This photo was removed. It looks like a junk and rock pile. The subject of this photograph is not a swamp. The background may be. Let's find a better photograph.
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