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This article divides the various Shaiva traditions between Theism and Monism, which doesn't make sense because many Shaiva traditions are both monistic and theistic. Alexis
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Ultimately, the uselessness of the "monism" vs "theism" or dualism distinction is that these sects changed over time. For example, the Shaiva
Siddhanta, which is the main dualistic tradition, adopted non-dualism by the 12th century in Tamil Nadu. So placing them under "theism" or "dualism" is just
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The best summary would include both the "theism and monism" scholarship, as well as the "atimarga and mantramarga" scholarship. We already mention the latter in "Beliefs and practices" section. But, a bit more atimarga etc summary in the "Sub-traditions" section is planned. This may come by early
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This section is too vague and without any proper understanding. I have found a link where information about all 6 sub-tradition of
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I have found a link where information about all 6 MAJOR sub-tradition of
Shaivism are given i.e. Śaiva Siddhānta,Pāśupata Śaivism, Vīra Śaivism, Kashmīr Śaivism, siddha siddhanta and Śiva Advaita. We WOULD NOT have do divide the article between Theism and Monism.
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Shaivism remained the dominant religion in India until the arrival of the Aryans, who violently attacked the Shiva cult. Shaivism — which continued to be the religion of the people integrated into
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Considered to be in Himalaas/kailas, the entire India is in the southern direction relative to Himalayas.
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