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each of these applications. I also don't understand why you consider archaeology a "natural application" of refection seismic. Although I have no experience in using either seismic or GPR in archaeology, I suspect that GPR would be capable of picking up subtler changes in the shallow subsoil (disturbed soil, filled-in excavations, smaller objects that do not generate a coherent seismic reflection) than would be possible with reflection seismic, which requires quite an abrupt change to generate a reflection, and has difficulty imaging nonlayered features. Is my suspicion correct? We run into the what is called "the file-drawer problem." As I alluded to above, scientific journals prefer to publish articles on methods that work, and do not often print articles of the type "I tried this method here, and it failed miserably." Regards.
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and I consulted WP to find out why they did so. I believe that the boundaries between packed soil and rock would be perfect for detection by reflective seismology (although such boundaries might obscure deeper boundaries below them), so why would archaeologists, who are primarily interested in visualizing buried stone walls, not want to use it as one of their technologies, and perhaps even as their first (quickest/preliminary/overview) survey technology? If the technology won't work, or if it is too expensive, that fact belongs in the article, for the benefit of those, like me, who wonder why it is not used for this obvious application.
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course, are based on radio waves). When some archaeologist or student first uses a mapping technique based on the passage of varying-frequency sound waves through soil and rock, perhaps an accurate and high-definition view of the underground scene may turn out to revolutionize the discipline. I consider this article open to future extension in this direction.
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displacement is zero, while pressure has a maximum. Thus for pressure we have R=1, the resultant pressure being twice that of the incident wave. Since pressure is continuous across the interface, this creates the wave in the second medium which has twice the pressure amplitude of the incident wave. Thus T=2 is correct. It is reverse for displacement.
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something on the subject, I would bet that it mentions the difficulty seismic has in imaging non-layered objects such as walls. But all this is beside the point: if the subject is of interest to you, it will probably interest others, and therefore you are right that it belongs in
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that attempts to prove your suspicion. The number of possible applications is not, I believe, very many, and in fact archeological surveying is the only natural application I can think of that is not already covered by the article. Please provide a list of example X, Y, and Z applications of
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in the subsurface - necessary for the ground rupture study for potential earthquakes at the site. The method in those circumstances has trouble detecting any changes of less than a few metres, so not useful for most archaeological investigations I would think.
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