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Luddite movement was the attack on Cartwright's Rawfold Mill in April 1812 and commentators and historians, including myself, use Ludd. The Huddersfield Luddite Movement was the boldest and most accomplished, but it disintegrated after the abortive attack on the Mill. Ludd is the scholarly option, yet the unscholarly may opt for Lud for reasons never explained satisfactorily other than on grounds of vagrant personal preference. I was born in Huddersfield, West Riding of Yorkshire and was taught about Ludd at school sometime in 1948. I have researched widely for a book I am in process of writing ready for the 1812 efflorescence of Luddism in Huddersfield and find only rare references to 'Lud' and then only as a footnote.
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commoner spelling more generally, but nonetheless the form used on many of the machine breakers' fiery letters was "Lud". Sending these primary documents to targeted individuals was precisely how the notion of "following Ned Lud(d)" - however the name was spelled - became widely known. This is by no means "original research", and many of the writings of the
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employers were using. In a three-week period over two hundred stocking frames were destroyed. In March, 1811, several attacks were taking place every night and the
Nottingham authorities had to enroll four hundred special constables to protect the factories. To help catch the culprits, the Prince Regent offered ÂŁ50 to anyone "giving information on any person or persons wickedly breaking the frames".
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General Ned Ludd) to employers. However what such problems could lead to such harsh actions? Starting off in Nottingham, workers upset wage reductions and feeling unappreciated by employers, began breaking into factories at night and destroyed the new machines that
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The conclusion I draw from this is that the spelling "Lud" - and in particular in the name "Ned Lud" - ought to be mentioned in this article. I suspect that if somebody has the time to look at all of the remaining documents collected by
Professor Binfield as well as the 51 I looked at, the name of
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Binfield organises the documents into three groups, according to whether they appeared in the
English Midlands, the North West of England, or Yorkshire, and within each group he sorts them chronologically. I haven't examined all of them, but I've looked at 17 in each group so as to get a sample of
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In these 51 documents, there are 13 refs to "Ludd" and 8 to "Lud", counting multiple appearances in a single document only once. And if we take only the earliest documents, up to the end of Feb 1812 - which are all from the
Midlands - there are in fact more instances of "Lud" (7) than "Ludd" (5).
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Ludd is the common name used to denote the person of Ned Ludd after whom the
Luddite movement was named. Although it does appear as Lud in some accounts, Ludd is far and away the predominant form of the surname in British Home Office records, newspapers and songs of the time, 1811 to 1812. The
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I have looked into the question of whether we should use "Lud" or "Ludd". Piotr
Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus is right that preceded by "Ned", "Ludd" is the more common spelling in the websites that Google brings to the attention of those who use its websearch engine, and nowadays it is the
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In the early months of 1811 the first threatening letters from General Ned Ludd and the Army of Redressers, were sent to employers in Nottingham. Workers, upset by wage reductions and the use of unapprenticed workmen, began to break into factories at night to destroy the new machines that the
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I've never seen the name "Captain" Ludd in a period document. It's always "General Ludd" or "Ned Ludd" or "Captain Swing". This should be removed unless somebody has a verifiable period source. If there is such a source it needs to be added to the article - because I want to read it! Â ;)
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unreliable source for what happened on the conference, and what Droge claimed and argued there, which is very much relevant to this article. Of course, having Droge's paper would be much preferrable, and this article would likely profit very much from it.
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A Google websearch a few moments ago gave 116,000 to 31,500. See my contribitution below, with reference to the fiery letters sent by machine breakers, as collected by Professor Kevin Binfield, and to the Oxford English Dictionary.
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This article is illiterate. Since when did "inspirated" become the past tense of "inspire"? Also "inspirated the folkloric character..." "Folkloric" is not some clever neologism, it is just the work of a pretentious imbecile.
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I agree that Ludd is not no0wn as Captain, holding always the title of General or , in some instance, King. Captain Swing was not Ned Ludd, but a Chartism appearing some score of years after Luddism subsided.
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