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This brings up a good point. As modern people, we have to realize that "truths we hold self-evident" weren't in 1915. It was not clear to anyone how to support
Finnish nationalism, and both collaboration with Russians and anti-Czarism were seen as valid methods. Jägers saw the former as ineffective.
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The flag in question is indeed older than the "jääkärilippu" (jäger flag) . Siniristilippu (blue cross flag) was used by finnish merchantile ships during the krim war 1854-1856. It was suggested as official flag for finnish grand dutchy at 1863 but the suggestion failed and it remained as half
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There should probably be a separate article about the Jäger movement, as that was the foundation for the volunteers going to
Germany from Finland, the Finnish and also Swedish language version seems to cover this in a better way than the current article in English.
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I am not going to edit the article as I do not have good sources. I do not know for sure whether these points are true for a small minority or for a big majority of the people involved, but I think it is important to be aware of them.
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The jäger flag gets its shape from older "suomenkaartinlippu" (finnish guard flag), its colors from the siniristilippu (blue cross flag) and it seal from the old "suomenruhtinaskunnan lippu" (grand dutchy of finlands flag).
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I don't know about finnish practice, but in german, Jäger is both the singular and plural form. There is no such word as Jägers.
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