7457:. It isnt made so that the same things stay forever. Also, given that India has 1 billion people, each contributing his or her bit to Indian culture making it awfully hard to show all aspects of Indian culture in one or two images. The Toda image, that you support as being placed where the rotation is, for sure does not show aspects of majority Indian culture. This is an encyclopedia. Unlike what you think, Readers dont come here to carefully examine images to see the "vernacular" aspects of India (which dont represent India at all, but rather .0001 percent of it). This is an encyclopedia. People want quick and relevant information. They dont care what .001 percent of India is doing when the 99.999 percent doesnt follow that at all. I dont see how anyone can support the Toda image with a straight face. Anyway, to conclude, this is an encyclopedia. This is not an art exhibition. Knowledge changes. That is why we have that edit this page button on the top that encarta doesnt. Dont expect images to stay forever.
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poet and dramatist, probably the greatest Indian writer of any epoch. The six works identified as genuine are the dramas Abhijñanasakuntala (“The
Recognition of Sakuntala”), Vikramorvasi (“Urvasi Won by Valour”), and Malavikagnimitra (“Malavika and Agnimitra”); the epic poems Raghuvamsa (“Dynasty of Raghu”) and Kumarasambhava (“Birth of the War God”); and the lyric “Meghaduta” (“Cloud Messenger”). In drama, his Abhijñanasakuntala is the most famous and is usually judged the best Indian literary effort of any period... The epic myth is important because of the child, for he is Bharata, eponymous ancestor of the Indian nation ... As in all of Kalidasa's works, the beauty of nature is depicted with a precise elegance of metaphor that would be difficult to match in any of the world's literatures." The Britannica devotes more than twice as much space to Kalidasa as it does to Tagore, who for all his achievements, is not quite in Kalidasa's league. Similarly
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and such other visionaries held court. The Mysore palace is where the seeds of Indian democracy were sown through their pioneering attempts at creating institutions which today have morphed into our legislative assemblies and councils. The deeds of these gentlemen serve India richly to this day. They changed the history of
Karnataka and India in ways the begum who rests in your WONDER wouldnt even have dreamt of. In short, its surely a far cry from the hapless begum of yours who died trying in vain to add to her litter. Like I said, it calls for a bit of objectivity and knowledge of history to appreciate things like this. Come back when you've done some reading. Or better still, go back(to the palace) after you've done some reading. Places of historical interest arent zoological gardens where you go, gape at the monkeys and come back.
6475:- Nobody here needs any education in Kalidasa's stature and standing and we could do with a little less dumping of random info and filling of pages by Fowler. That said, the fallacy lies in even pitting Tagore and Kalidasa against each other. Thats comparing apples and oranges and downright ridiculous. It is the likes of Tagore that have saved the Kalidasas and the Ravi Varmas and the Manipuri dance and other art forms for posterity. Tagore brought the 'out of sight, out of mind' northeast into the national mainstream through his efforts in rejuvenating Manipuri dance. Kalidasa did no such thing. Kalidasa may have been a great poet and all that, but saying that he was the greatest of any age to write anything is streching it too far. I could argue that Sangita Ratnakara by Sharngadeva is the greatest literary work
1045:) and multiple dancers take part in it and each one plays(dances, to be precise) a 'role'. A 'troupe', akin to a drama troupe presents the performance as against the typical bharatanatya or kathak or kuchipudi etc., which is solo. That is about it. Otherwise, it is a dance drama or a kind of ballet... and "Dance drama" is "dance", not "drama". For that matter, Kathakali is almost exactly the same genre as Yakshagana. If Kathakali is "dance" in your book (or anybody's book, for that matter), then Yakshagana is dance too. Yakshagana is always nominally dance or dance-drama first. "Theater"/"Folk theater" etc., comes into play only when we get into the semantic details.. and those semantics are pointless and out of the scope of a summary article.
4485:(unindent) I think the picture of Sakuntala is a wonderful idea. In addition to what Fowler's said, it seems to me that it simultaneously represents several aspects of Indian culture - the high Sanskritic culture represented by Kalidasa's play, the folk culture of which the Sakuntala story has become part, and recent art as represented by the use of a Ravi Varma painting. I really don't know what to say in reply to the suggestion that Kalidasa's works are less notable than Tagore. If google hits are going to be the criterion, Aishwarya Rai (1.93 million) and Amitabh Bachchan (1.73 million) produce more hits than Rabindranath Tagore (1.48 million), which is a fine example of why we don't use Google to decide what's more notable. --
1812:. Since some of his newly created subsections on the Pakistan page were three lines long, and those on the currently locked-down India page are only a hair's breadth longer, his approach appears to be one of selecting subtopics and creating the subsections first and then filling them up with text. I am myself of the opposite school. I prefer to add the content first, to develop it, and only then, if the text suggests it (by its theme and length), do I create subsections. I am not necessarily against subsections, but I prefer to create them towards the end of text development; besides, I feel that this early straight-jacketing of contents prevents exploration of themes that might otherwise arise.
196:). It is modeled on the picture peer review for Featured Pictures, but in addition includes a Work Area or Sandbox. The page describes how to request text for peer review or communal edit, with a demo example, DemoText. Please take a look at it. The page is for text that can vary in size from a sentence up to a large paragraph (approx. 250 words), but is not for entire sections of the India page. Indeed one the underlying principles of the page is that addition of new text is best done in manageable bits. I will set up a list of volunteer "reviewers" on that page as well. Please let me know what you think and please sign up if you like the idea.
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mention of
Kalidasa doesnt belong in this article. Kalidasa's works, towering as he is/was, dont compare with the the Ramayana or the Mahabharata. I would have no problem with the Kalidasa pic once we have rotation in place. If we cant have rotation, then we cant have Kalidasa. Not unless the the article is expanded. We cant have selective expansion just to suit somebody's POV. These are the same people who come up with word counts of other people's contributions and troll no end on talk pages about why it shouldnt be kept. So its time they walk the talk. We dont keep humoring nonsense forever.
4126:(To Fowler&fowler) Thank You! For suggesting an image that has some mention in the article! I think we're getting somewhere. In terms of relevance, I think Tagore is more relevant, but it seems we can now actually discuss images in terms of "relevant to the article they appear in and be of sufficient notability (relative to the article's topic)" and one that can be placed "near relevant text". The Shakuntala image certainly meets WP policy on image choice and placement, along with the Tagore image. If others feel Shakuntala is more appropriate, I wouldn't oppose it (though I still prefer Tagore).
3703:. Since the average user who reads the India article for information likely reads it in one sitting (or at least doesn't keep coming back day after day), the images presented to the user will be unbalanced anyway, no matter how often the images are rotated. What does rotational balance mean then? A kind of statistical balance over a large number of readers? In other words, what any one reader will get by way of image content will be unbalanced, but the 180,000 yearly readers (of the India page) together will carry balanced image content in their
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Encarta article. The image's many points would most certainly have been lost, had the image been replaced by another image making some other point. Memorable images require return visits. They require stability within the text, for them to settle in, as it were, in our consciousness. This to me potentially is the ultimate emptiness about rotations; they could turn even well-crafted images into vanilla images. Either the complex points like that in the Veena caption will not be made, or, when made, will not stick, because of their profusion.
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was time to get more feedback. I've learned that it's better to trust the larger community than one editor's wordy campaigns for certain images. I think with some editors here, it's less a matter of opposing all things fowler than a matter of lack of trust, after toda and alot of uncivil comments and specious arguments on f's part. If the community supports
Sakuntala, then I would happily and sincerely accept, even if it's not a strong consensus (i.e., only the slimmest majority). And I think it would end this image discussion once and for all.
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much about India, other than the first sentence, which could simply be integrated to another section. The list is really not required there, is it? Has there been a discussion on these lines before? I'll shut up if there has been one. The US page doesn't have a similar list, and countries like
Australia with just a few states, or UK with its mention of its four parts can't be the reference. Then again, there could be many arguments in favor of sticking to the list that is in place, like somebody is going to point out. --
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Image of Tagore however adds NOTHING more than what is already present in text - it is just a picture of a man. If Tagore was considered the most handsome man of last century, it might make sense to put his image. However, this is not the case. This has nothing to do with
Kalidas or Tagore but the fact that we are presenting a work of art that requires being seen to enhance the value of the text. I have absolutely nothing against Tagore, having actually worked on getting that article to FA status even. --
3895:, remember. And editors follow the wiki process.. of which consensus is a major part. And somebody's favourite pics(whoever put them there long back) squatting there for eternity is not consensus. Give me one good reason why I shouldnt replace the Ajanta pic or the BSE pic or even the Taj, for that matter. Just dont give me the "its a FP" crap. If you think there's any anamoly here, you should probably put it down to wikipedia's own faults. But then, wikipedia wouldnt exist without some of its faults.
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2205:(in the different fields of science and technology) and that India's absence from the top 20 is a sign of its poor performance. It might have great educational institutions, it might have large-scale software development, but, its performance in scientific research is poor. At the very least this statement will need to be included with a statement about India having the largest pool of scientists of any country in the world (or words to that effect that have already been added).
2166:. Edit warring happens when one or more parties become wedded to a particular wording. At the moment, there is no reason or evidence to believe that either party is wedded to its own wording. Those who added it, did so because it was felt that a few lines about science and tech in India was needed and they just wanted to make a 'start'. Unless you disagree(you havent said so) that it is even required in this article, you'd want to start chipping away at the wording and produce
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scholars you mentioned who even comes close to being a credible
Yakshagana expert is perhaps Ramanujan, who again was a linguist, quite far removed from Yakshagana research. If there is a 'biggest' name in Yakshagana research at all, it probably has to be Dr. Shivarama Karanth. The Ramanujans and the Shivramamurthis are in all likelihood, just recycling Karanth in their 'research'. As for Karanth himself, he uses the word 'folk' in his book and then hastens to qualify it thus -
5914:. Retrieved October 20, 2007. Quote: "Kalidasa: Sanskrit poet and dramatist, probably the greatest Indian writer of any epoch... In drama, his Abhijñanasakuntala ("The Recognition of Śakuntalā") is the most famous and is usually judged the best Indian literary effort of any period... As in all of Kalidasa's works, the beauty of nature is depicted with a precise elegance of metaphor that would be difficult to match in any of the world's literatures."
160:(which is a lower-level version of the Feature picture review); in other words, people would leave their potential changes, say from a sentence long to a paragraph long, and various people would leave their comments and suggestions. That way the editor who initially put up the text for review, still does the final revising and has more of a sense of control at having created the text. In in that way of thinking, it could be called
7591:'India' in its name. You were so very prompt to change the stat of 7.5k to 7k. Good alacrity!! Whether CIA wants to mislead or not is besides the point, what is important to note here is that whatever an institution of CIA'a calibre and stature does is not without reason or agenda. Definitely, when they do it, there will be reasons behind seemingly the most inoccuous ommissions or commissions. Get out of your unifocality, dear.
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255:, especially the description and principles. The only commitment required is that to using this process over unilateral edits made directly to the India page. Minor edits (corrections of typos or grammar, reverts of vandalism etc.) obviously do not require this process. Volunteering doesn't mean commitment of any specific time, just a willingness to help out when you can and in whatever fashion you can.
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7642:. Vol. 13, no. 1, pp. 141-146. 2005. "The coastline is one of the most spectacular gradients on earth since it forms the transition between the saline, aquatic environment of the ocean to the dry, air-exposed land over a distance of several metres. The total length of the world's coastline amounts to several million kilometres, India's coastline is about 8129 km and Orissa's coastline is 480 km."
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side of the
Parliament building. Personally, I think the mirrored image looks very similar to the actual and is much cleaner. Still, if there is such an opposition to mirroring it, I have no problem at all leaving it the way it is now. Afterall, I am the one who uploaded it. Anyway, dont try to demean me. I have contributed a lot to wiki, much more than one realizes (see my userpage if u want proof).
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here. But we are forgetting that the actual readers of the page are likely to be people who want to know about India, and would come to the page for learning about it in a nutshell. Do the pro-rotation editors think that users will come to the page again and again in each rotation cycle, so that the rotation of images will give them a regionally-balanced view? I hardly think so. Thanks. --
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new additions, I proceeded to cpedit the economy page and have somewhat 'normalised' it to include both rueben/Otolemur's additions and the text that already existed. Of course, there were some repetitions and I got rid of them. I request that editors take a look at it and just start editing it. The titpr idea seems lame to me in that I fear there will be more talk and less work.
1029:. It was meant to just show the perspective of the lay person and I thought the intention was conspicuous. Well, perhaps not.. if one is bent only on splitting hairs and quoting things out of context. Someone who uploads a yakshagana video on youtube surely isnt a Texan cowboy. He or she certainly knows what they're talking about when they matter-of-factly call it a "dance".
6479:. As far as pure literary content goes, Kalidasa may have few peers but it can easily be argued that the Sangita Ratnakara had a far more profound impact on Indian culture than abhignyanashakuntalam. It is, after all, the bible of all classical music in India - all of India. Both Hindustani and Carnatic traditions revere it and draw their most basic concepts from it.
5295:. The reason I am making this point is because researchers treat Yakshagana and the other "folk-arts" listed above differently. For instance (correct me if I am wrong), I've never seen anybody describe terukkoothu a 'classical' art form. Same with jatra, nautanki, ramlila etc.,. Same with 'tamasha'. Talking of 'tamasha', it is also nominally "dance", not "theater".
652:. You have not shown ANY credible data to back up that qualifies the tag for Indian science infrastructure and I have shown that we are SEVERELY LACKING in number of publications and also number of PHDs. Furthermore, the idea represented by that sentence (at least to me) is that we are at the forefront of cutting edge science, which is unfortunately false. --
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accordingly. An aside for you, why get so worked up about this that you feel the need to make crass remarks? All you had to do was to offer the source and request the number be changed. If you are that concerned about this article, your account wouldn't have a grand total of two edits. Grow up little boy/girl and don't be so territorial.
5326:. Be aware though that I have also already looked at a dozen other references on JSTOR and other academic catalogs that classify Yakshagana as very much theatre. The main point being the presence of spoken prose lines, which Kathakali and Kuchipudi don't have and the absence of an elaborate syntax of stylized gestures, which K & K
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3613:." ("Near-feature quality" means that they came awfully close to being selected in the FPC review, but weren't selected in the end.) It is not enough to just have "high-res" images, it is the composition of the image that is equally important, and in my opinion the best expertise available for such quality image selection is at
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arts of our gypsy tribes. I can give any number of references that
Yakshagana is "dance-drama". Also, Kathakali is dance-drama too(the net is rife with references for this too). If Kathakali is "dance", then Yakshagana is "dance" too. I can give references which put both Kathakali and Y in the same genre - ie., "dance-drama".
4178:." two weeks ago. In the previous version of the sentence which had no explicit mention of "Shakuntala," the painting above would have been just as irrelevant as the Toda dairy. Similarly, if no mention were made of Tagore in the text, his image too will be irrelevant. Conversely, I can easily amend the sentence, "The
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imagined a scenario where each addition to the pool would be discussed first and we would agree as a community on a small pool of images to be shown. Lets see how it goes. On a more technical note, I find the method of addition bit confusing - I know user
Saravask explained it above but I am still confused heh. --
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beaches, embayment, estuaries, inlets, bays, marshy land and offshore islands. According to the naval hydrographic charts, the Indian mainland consists nearly 43% sandy beaches, 11% rocky coast with cliffs and 46% mud flats and marshy coast. Oscillation of the shoreline along the Indian coast is seasonal."
7990:(unindent)hey KNM, why did you have to change the section heading? you just robbed the poor guy the chance to wallow in his adolescence. hmm.. never mind, I'm sure he will come up with another gem. for now, this chicken and fowl spectacle sure is enough to keep us amused for the next few days. :)
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767:, a page from a tourist travel guide, whose reference to "Yakshagana" says in its entirety, "Karnataka Janapada and Yakshagana Academy (Tel. 2215509), Canara Finance building, Nrupathunga Rd, hold folk music and dance performances, including (obviously) Yakshagana dance from the Mangalore region." and
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No reason to regard a Government of India web site a reliable source for everything. And the CIA is probably not the best either, when it comes to the precision we aspire to in Knowledge. :) Reliability here really belongs to the academic literature of geography, oceanography and allied fields where
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The Kalakshetras school of dance and music is located in Chennai (formerly Madras), India. These students are learning to play the vina, a traditional instrument in classical Indian music. This school is for the wealthier members of Indian society. Education for the majority of the population remains
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eh, I know I supported rotation but I am not happy with the implementation so far. Also, I dont know if I am happy with using a high number of images for each place holder. In my opinion that takes away from the more relevant images as they dont get shown as often. When I supported rotation, I had
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I think its the only way to solve the problem of showing India in all its forms instead of limiting Indian culture to just the Taj Mahal and the Toda Hut. And being one of the first people who brought this concept to the India page, I am very happy that of its success. I am actually very impressed by
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Sarvagnya, Shakuntala is a character from Mahabharat. Any user who is interested in the image will click on it and then see that it is part of Mahabharat and become interested in it. That is why I support this image - in one stroke you have a sampling of a lot of things important to Indian culture.
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with rotation, but rather that they won't know the difference between images that have been "squatting there for eternity" and those that have been squatting there since the onset of the new rotational cycle, no matter how short it might be. As for not telling you "its a (sic) FP," need I remind you
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So, my point is that even though India has made great strides in science and technology, she is still behind the developed nations in terms of funding and infrastructure available for science. As a result, lot of Indian students go to the west for doing their PhD and also settle there due to lack of
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Now, the only clear evidence that has been presented so far in support of this statement is that the above statement was made by the High Commisioner of India in London (can someone actually give me that link, I have missed it). I state that the high commissioner of India in London cannot be regarded
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This sentence was recently added to the article: "Science and technology in India forms a major commitemnet for both the Govt and Private sector in India. India posseses one of the world's largest scientific and technological infrastructure and manpower, which in was worth Rs 30 billion, up from the
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and that article now rightly mentions Kannada and Telugu(not sure about telugu, should check) in the list. The bottomline is this - something is 'classical' when researchers think it is 'classical' and not when a pseudo secular govt., decides to prostitute its soul and rigor in research at the altar
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At the end of the day, if some users want to use the India page itself as a sandbox, we can't stop them, unless we get into mediation. But this way, at least among the editors who choose to use this approach, there will be more camaraderie and less headache, and hopefully this will help in producing
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7000) has changed the statement concerning the length of Indian coast line. That guy ( I beleive green-something) thibks that since CIA website says that the length of Indian coastline is 7000, that figure should be there. That green-something should refer the following govt of India link to get his
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sigh* - I would support a good image of Manipuri dance over Tagore too. Not because I think Tagore is not important but -as I have stated few times now- he is not famous for how he looks. Looking at his image does not enhance the text in the article. However, image of Shakuntala or Manipuri dance
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The picture is there not to educate people about how Tagore looked! It is there to pay tribute to a person who rendered yeoman service towards enriching and propagating 'Indian culture'. For that matter, every "mugshot" that we have on wikipedia is because those people have signal contributions in
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Priyanath, England is not a FA article and I do not agree with putting Shakespeare picture in culture section either. Please, please, please - explain to me how does putting a mug shot of Tagore (or Shakespeare) add to the value of the article. They are not famous for how they LOOKED but for their
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Well, let's have your references then. The word for "classical folk theatre," is "traditional theatre," not classical dance. Folk theatre, as you indicated earlier is not a perjorative term. Your primary reference Shivarama Karanth, which you touted earlier, clearly not only thinks of it as folk
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10:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC) PS. Nikkul, I apologize for my choice of words. I didn't mean to be demeaning. You are someone who is clearly interested in improving the image content on India-related pages, and everyone can see that you have talent and drive, so why not use them more productively?
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One more thing I can suggest, which I think can end this debate about the use of photos in the culture section. Lets select 1 photo from each state (if available) related to the culture of the state and we can change these photos every fortnight (15 days), much importance can be given to any picture
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goes, four paragraphs seems ok to us. Please do get familiar with wikipedia guidelines before making drastic edits. And another point: Please do not unnecessarily compare the India article to other featured country articles: This article is one of the oldest featured articles, and most other country
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Yakshagana is 'classical' in the true sense of the word, not in the idiosyncratic and cooked up sense that the babudom comes up with when called upon to do so by their political masters. A govt., body 'bestowing' an art or a language the status of 'classical' is ludicruous and doesnt belong in this
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When I use the word 'folk' here, I dont mean in any disparaging sense. Its components like music, dance and costume are highly sophisticated and cannot be mastered without long study and practise. To me, Yakshagana is as classical as Bharata Natya or Karnataki or Hindustani music. The term 'folk'
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And again, it doesnt surprise me that you ignored atleast three books by serious scholars which also I cited (and instead chose to harp on the youtube link). Of course, couple of them were in support of the fact that Yakshagana is a "dance-drama" much the same way Kathakali is a "dance-drama". You
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do you have trouble understanding? As for your pathetic "..monument to ugliness/poor taste", you might want to impress that upon the millions who throng to even just get a glimpse of the palace each year. huh. dont know why I bother dignifying your BS with responses. you troll me into it. dont
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Why is "Subdivisions of India" required as a separate section on the page? There is a navigation box for "States and territories of India". The map with all the states marked on it, along with the three column list of states and UTs, does not look good on the page and doesn't really inform a reader
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Fowler - I think you have your own explaining to do in justifying the continued addition of less than notable and relevant images to this article. Your circular 'logic' in explaining the addition of the Verma painting as being more notable than all the combined works and achievements of Tagore is a
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In order to avoid an edit war both the images have been removed. Tagore's image has not gone under the scanner(ie.voted for) till now hence its unfair to replace the Toda pic with it. PS:Those who voted against Toda never said that their vote implied support *for* Tagore.Eg. Blacksun doest want the
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Rotation image does not mean anything for someone who will visit India article just once. However, there is no evidence to suggest that this is indeed the case amongst the "average reader." Another benefit of a rotation image is that it makes it less likely to have giant arguments over which image
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Firstly, you are making an assumption that every new addition is worth keeping after some polishing. Let me make myself crystal clear: I find almost all the new additions not worth keeping. So polishing it, in this case, would be akin to deleting it. Furthermore, if I want to discuss an addition
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in the edit summary). This is how it works on all other articles in wikipedia -- people keep rewording it until the prose finds a nice balance and reflects the sources while also taking care of other concerns like NPOV, UNDUE, WEASEL, PEACOCK etc.,. All this happens one step at a time and usually
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Since the India page is currently locked down–consequently, since time is of the essence–and since one of the bones of contention antecedent to the lock-down was the creation of the many subsections, I suggest that we conduct a simple straw poll rather than pursue more protracted forms of consensus
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I have created two sandboxes, one each for the Economy and Demographics sections. I dumped the 'stable' versions of both sections on the respective pages and then proceeded to bring over the new additons/expansions. Please check the history of the two pages to understand. After bringing over the
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Well KH, for one, I am not comparing the two. I leave such inanities to the likes of you and fowler. More importanly though, I have a sense of history which you clearly dont seem to share. The Mysore palace was where the likes of Nalvadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar, Sir MV, JC Wodeyar, Sir Mirza Ismail
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Did anyone observed that the offical map of India has a cut on its top? Samething carried out in "Free Access To All Human Knowledge” A Video Appeal From Knowledge Founder Jimmy Wales " video clipping too. Has Indian govt. accepted the new map or what? The maps displayed along with the article are
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From what I have observed, I think rotation is great. Over the last few visits to the actual article, I saw different faces of India esp the fauna section and also the culture section that I had never known existed (like the longtail squirrel) . I know that we have some ways to go before the image
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I do see Blacksuns point that he is not known for how he looked, hence his works would be more relevant than his photo. This is why I prefer having an image of something else like a diwali picture or a dance or something that shows india and not just indian architecture like the taj and toda image
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If the community supports Sakuntala here, I will not remove it. As I said above, it's a huge improvement from the pic that's been here for the last year. When I originally 'supported' the Sakuntala image, it was only tacit support since nobody had opposed it yet. When there was opposition, then it
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Hi Blacksun, I understand your argument, and respect and appreciate it. I just don't agree with it. For one, I don't think Tagore's is a 'mug shot'. It's actually a striking image, imo. I also believe that an image leads the reader to learn more about the subject of the image (just like you do). I
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oh.. you want to play the 'percentage' game? Fine. Lets start with "..Hindus form 80% of India's population..".. now let's get an image of a 'fine example' of "Hindu" architecture to replace the Taj (there's plenty of them and they're even on the World Heritage list, just like the taj). And how
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I have serious quality issues with the photoshopped image: tacky and cgi "fake" looking - like one of those concept images for a new building that is planned. Nikkul mirrored one half of the image and pasted it on the other half to "get rid of the people" - and also did some lighting effects. So
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The painting is about Kalidasa's Abhijnanashakuntalam ("The Recognition of Shakuntala"), not about Raja Ravi Varma who happens to be the painter. Don't know what your Google search means or for that matter any of Sarvagnya's incoherent edit summaries, but here is Britannica on Kalidasa: "Sanskrit
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After Sarvagnya's revert and comment, I searched for relevance of the painting fowler put in place of Tagore. A Google search for *recognition sakuntala varma* (without quotes, to give the best possible chance of results) gives less than 1,000 results, many of them Knowledge mirrors. "Rabindranath
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If others think the Varma image is relevant, then I'm fine with it. Toda is still not relevant or notable for this article, though, compared to so many other images that definitely meet WP policies. If there's to be a third image, it should be literature or dance- now that we have architecture and
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You know I'm not calling the hut pic "not relevant". For the toda article it's extremely relevant. But for this article, the image is not relevant "to the article's topic", and not of "sufficient notability". These are WP policies on placement of images in articles. Nor is it placed "near relevant
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One small observation -- all the talk about rotation seem to be for appeasing *editors* of the article, and NOT the *readers*. One common argument I see above is regional balance. Well, that again is for appeasing editors from different regions ... who want to see an image from their region showed
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Classical, the same way Kannada is classical.. politically motivated babudom doesnt get to decide classicality of humanities for a 'pedia." Again, I don't know what that means, but the signed Encyclopaedia article says clearly that Yakshagana is folk theatre. I request that Yakshagana be removed
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There are two ways it could be done as I far as I see. We can plonk the current India article and go from there except people who wish to make conflicting changes can't show it. I think each user having their own section, where they quote what sentences/section in their opinion needs improving and
7452:
People come here to get information now, not in the future. Most people are not like you. If someone likes an image, they will note down what it is showing. If they really like it, they will save the image to their computer. I have done that so many times when I used to be a reader on Knowledge.
6482:
The point I'm trying to make is, if we kept fishing, we can keep adding names and works to the article. And then, we can backdoor images like the "recognition" of shakuntala which ride solely on contrived and clumsily fitted sentences. Yes, I am arguing that not just the image but even the very
6337:
Even if we are to assume equal cultural significance of the two images, the Sakuntala painting is more pleasing aesthetically. The Tagore image stands out, and looks odd with the rest of the page. Mug shots on the page would make it look ugly, and would take something away from the page. Would we
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Comment:I dont understand why anyone would pick an image of the person that is Tagore over an example of art and literature that is Recognition of Sakuntala. Adding an image of Tagore does very little to the overall value of the article. Why? Because the image does not increase the value of the
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notable and relevant to the article. Images like Gandhi, Taj, the main national government building, Tagore, all meet the only subjective standards on images - notability and relevance. The other option is rotation, which will allow regional and less familiar (but perhaps notable in some specific
5287:
Yakshagana is a dance-drama first and then 'folk theater'( whatever that is supposed to mean). Yes, it is folk theater but it is a dance form, dance-drama to be precise. "Theater" just doesnt cut it. Shadow play performances is a form of folk theater too; so is pantomime; so are the performing
4643:
Again, I just thought taking out the people would make the image look cleaner. The image hasnt been changed besides that (no clouds added or anything). And since the building is symetrical, i dont think it really matters. Seriously, I dont think people really care if there is an extra bush on one
3086:
Finally, the last issue that is dogging the page–the problem of images. Rotation of images was proposed by some people and opposed by others. I had originally created a simple straw poll below, but since some votes were ambiguous, I have clarified the categories, so that there is no confusion.
647:
How does that say something similar? Computer science = science? When did that happen? BTW, India's contribution to articles in peer reviewed computer science journals is dismal too. Furthermore, 30 billion Rs = approximately 1 billion USD. I know of many countries whose budgets dwarf this.
8453:
Also stick to the debate. I never talked on historical aspect about the Amba Vilas and clearly was talking in terms of architecture (since photos put up in Culture section are concerned with architecture). So please don't bother to flaunt your historical knowledge on a debate which concerns with
7871:
originated in India. It only says that Chickens descended from wild red jungle fowl of India. Now, obviously the first thing early humans thought of on seeing an animal was food! If your source said that Chickens were first domesticated in India, then your claim was valid. God.. its commonsense.
7613:
What in perdition are you waffling on about? What "activity" around my name? What "misplaced zeal" are you talking about? To be honest I don't really spend my spare time trawling through Gov't of India resources. Do you really imagine that the Gov't of India doesn't have agendas, in the same way
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Green*, with the kind of activity that can be seen around your name, it will be naivete to presume that your are not aware of Govt of India resources. Your misplaced zeal reminds me of an old incident wherein one of our neighbours started shouting that Indian Ocean needs to be renamed coz it has
1050:
And sadly for you, none of those you name are actually the biggest names in Yakshagana research. Not even close. They're just researchers who have researched in allied fields and who Enc. Brit. thought were good enough to write a couple hundred words about Yakshagana. The only one among those
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of the most visited..", go ahead.. who's stopping you? That doesnt however, call for irrelevant drivel on the lines of "...it is not a ticketed monument of the ASI.. so who keeps count" etc.,. The directorate of archeology and museums, GoK takes care of the monument and feel free to take your
3526:
There is some benefit in a "rotation" system but the biggest problem with it is that the image debate will never go away. Half of the discussions here would be forever about images. Perhaps we should try to feature pictures from regions not represented here at the moment, add those and leave it
574:
dont know what they're talking about. And Yakshagana is not a "folk" art in the strictest sense of the word either. Yakshagana too, like all other classical dances of India traces and attributes its technique to the encyclopediac "Natya Shastra" - the same Natya Shastra to which kathakali and
7624:
Green Guys are not expected to be so restive. Y, on universe, r u being so touchy. My "...so much of activity " stuff seems to have ignited incomprehensible ferocity. Stay cool, uncle. As for your 'partisan' rejoinders, my research seems to point otherwise. Anyways, authenticity has been the
7428:
One of the points that the caption makes, that "classical culture" is the province increasingly of the wealthy few, is a subtle point and bears repetition when it is made visually. I, most certainly, had almost forgotten the image, even though it was one of my more vivid experiences from that
4714:
a dance form when it is a type of theater as shown by Fowler with half a dozen credible citations? If you want to mention Yakshagana then hammer out an acceptable line for folk theater in the culture section instead of giving false information to the reader. If you disagree with categorizing
3854:
Ragib, I would like to ask you; If you dont think the rotation will give a regionally balanced view, then how would you solve the problem of showing people an image of India in a nutshell? According to you, which one image sums up Indian culture in a nutshell? Which one image shows literature,
3452:
Support only if there is a strict process for rotation based on prior discussion on the talk-page here, feature-quality images, relevance and stability (i.e. rotate maybe once a fortnight :P ) - I think we need to question just how many of the current images should be placed in this "rotation"
8332:
sigh*. I dont need a tribune article to tell me that the Mysore palace houses RV's paintings. I've been visiting the Amba Vilas and other palaces in Mysore for as long as I can remember. And each time, a good part of my visit is spent staring in awe at the paintings. Anyway, which part of
7667:
VOL. 91, NO. 4, 25 AUGUST 2006, pages 530-536. "The Indian coastline is about 7517 km, about 5423 km along the mainland and 2094 km the Andaman and Nicobar, and Lakshadweep Islands (Table 1). The coastline comprises of headlands, promontories, rocky shores, sandy spits, barrier beaches, open
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add to the value of an article, especially when they are as notable as a Shakespeare or Tagore. The Sakuntala painting is also an attractive addition to the article—less notable than Tagore, certainly, but a big improvement over the image that, unbelievably, held that spot for the last year.
1874:
It should the last of our concerns (Not saying that in a negative way, but it only should be considered once the expansion has taken place. The appropriate number and which subsections to be added can only be decided then) though I understand Nichalp's point and would only support if they are
1588:
An introductory paragraph should be as short as possible, as the detailed are discussed in mother articles. In a introductory paragraph contents like this is unnecessary. This line should be added in history section. The second paragraph in the introduction should be deleted as this makes the
8626:'grave' concerns about visitor count to them. Or perhaps to the Director General of Epigraphy(ASI) who operates out of his office in the palace complex. Whatever it is, take it offline and stop filling pages here, for, you seem to impress only the Kuntans and nobody else with such blather.
8292:
Very smart indeed. Just the way somebody removed a significant effort like rotation from the article today without having the courtesy to inform the relevant people that it is going to be removed. Wow! Amazing! We all better start liking Knowledge for the way it is, we dont have an option --
2012:
is not as common in British and Indian English (used on this page) as it is in American English. Consequently, on this page it is used only if it is needed to resolve potential ambiguity. Since no ambiguity arises in the sentence under consideration, the serial comma is not used. Regards,
7579:
When it comes to facts for any topic on Knowledge, all you need is a reliable source and there is nothing wrong in quoting the CIA Factbook. Do you really think the CIA wants to mislead people about the length of the Indian coast? Since you have provided a source, I have changed the figure
4616:
That was my feeling to on the matter. I have uploaded the original image over the edited one as it is used in various other articles too. Hopefully, user Nikkul will see where we are coming from. It is a good image he obtained from the photographer and there is no need for editing it.
4214:
You are correct Fowler. However, I think that culture section needs an arts or literature related image. India related articles generally tend to be light in this area even though India has a rich history of art and literature. Come to think of it, usually Asian literature and arts is
113:, I propose we create a Talk:India/Sandbox for those wanting to make major changes to the article. Since not everyone may like this proposal, those who wish to try it out may add their name below. As I said in the Boldness section, which is linked above, I hope this will spark a more
4512:
now we have people who should not be there + the image looks fake on inspection - because well it is fake! I discussed this with Nikkul about it but we seem to disagree on this. I would like to know what other people think. I find the original image just fine (with the people). --
1528:
is not only missing an article, but is abrupt and tautological. Since this edit too, of a sentence that had been stable since last November, had no connection with the subsequent edit-wars linked to the lock-down, I request that it be reverted and the original text be reinstated.
1988:
Obviously, this doesn't need to be edited immediately, but the second paragraph has some serial comma issues. It's important for consistency above all, here. The text of my suggested change follows, to replace the second sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction.
7680:
So, I think, 7500 would be an accurate figure for the general mention. Which means that the Govt. of India website numbers are pretty accurate, although they don't give the breakdown for mainland and islands. I'll add the more detailed reference in the geography section.
4281:
going to have an image rotation scheme, then we must have the most relevant and notable images - like the Taj Mahal, and Tagore. The only way we can have images that represent minority and regional groups, is to use rotation. Until then, we must stick with those images that
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Since the straw poll for sub-sections seems to be moving along, I thought it might be time to have a straw poll for new additions. I have created a set of choices below which allow the voter to choose between anything from no expansion to the addition of a full section.
6501:
believe or think. I would kindly request you to provide for your assertions the kind of sources and citations (such as monographs published by Cambridge University Press or Columbia University Press, or signed articles in Britannica) that I have provided for mine in the
575:
manipuri and bharatanatyam and almost all dance forms of India owe alliegiance to. The theme and subject of the performances are also drawn from the Mahabharata, Ramayana or the Puranas unlike "folk" or "tribal" arts. For a more in depth view into it, get your hands on
1072:
He offers more qualifications throughout the book. In fact, he seldom uses the word 'folk' without qualifications. So it is not upto you to simply wave a measly Enc. Brit article by half-experts in the field and matter of factly stereotype and straitjacket Y as 'folk'
2173:
Other things like which section this content should be a part of, etc., can be decided as we go. Also, talking of sections, a section on "Education" would make sense(it is a part of most state articles) and it would also make sense to weave this S&T bit into it.
5302:
TamilNadu is loose. And POV. Yes, Bharatanatya was revived in the early-mid decades of the 20th century in TN.. before that it was practised by Devadasis all over India(atleast south India)... and much before that it had a following all over the south(atleast).
4052:
I agree with K-H and Nichalp. Besides if an image is absolutely needed for now, why Tagore, why not the "The Recognition of Shakuntala" which is explictly mentioned in the text and which is a classic painting by Raja Ravi Verma (1848-1906). No one can say that
7233:
3890:
These points have been touched upon and answered before. Ultimately, readers get to read what editors write. If they dont like what they read, the doors are open and they're free to jump in and edit (we all were readers before we became editors. Right?). Its
3560:
Furthermore, though I doubt anybody has thought of the range of images that will used, I would be keen to know how regional balance will be brought about. I think it would be unfair to give every state and union territory equal coverage, because would be giving
8440:
Your prejudice is showing. You can chose to live your life with hate. Just dont bother to use wikipedia to spread it because you will be stopped. And I still do not see any evidence for "most visited tourist site" in India claim of yours. Maybe I missed it?
7675:(Chair: Prof. M. S. Swaminathan). "India has a coastline of about 7,500 kms of which the mainland accounts for 5,400 kms, Lakshadweep coasts extend to 132 kms and Andaman & Nicobar islands have a coastline of about 1,900 kms." (From the introduction, p.3)
6421:
Recognition of Sakuntala is not only a great illustration of Indian art history but also an example of literature in Hinduism. It is a very nice image that conveys the place of art and religion in Indian society. I am surprised you do not find value in it.
7658:
Well, I can't guarantee that 8129 figure above, since that paper was being read by a "character reading" software and there are many misprints in the version that I got to view. However, here are two reliable references, the first being the most accurate:
7550:. The coastline lenght is 7500 and not 7000. I am presently not able to see the edit button (blv the article is in semi-protected state courtesy overzealous and numerous incursions from the likes of Green-something) ELSE would have restoed sanity at once.
2144:
it doesnt take very long before a piece of prose fits snug into the rest of the article. The predilection of some here for straw polls and rfcs and ani reports and arbcoms for every 5 words added or removed from the article is sickening, to say the least.
7301:
I think that is going to happen pretty soon...thats also what i had imagined and I think that we're going to do that very soon. I love how the rotation has virtually eliminated the debate about Tagore, something else, or Toda. It has ended edit wars, etc.
7332:
I think it's an excellent start, considering the history. People's good will has been noteworthy. Everyone here probably sees a few images they think should be removed, and I bet they are different images for each person. That must mean it's working :-).
1112:
I am not sure what to make of this "reply" since it was posted an hour after I posted my initial post below and half an hour after I posted my last post (signed with stamp) below. The post above accuses me of not reading some authors, when those authors
5972:(Calcutta) described him as the greatest artist of modern India, a nation builder, who showed the moral courage of a gifted 'high-born' in taking up the 'degrading profession of painting'. It is curious in retrospect that the artist also hailed by the
3637:
The best case would be having FPs from different parts of India and about differents aspects of India. If we had an excess of those I wouldn't mind rotation. Having said that, I think quality (and I mean the upmost quality) should only have preference
600:) and do not even figure in top 20 for citations (quality). But hey, if the High commissioner of India in London claims otherwise, it must be true and verifiable! I think you do not need to worry about accuracy of the article at this moment. --
5932:
After all, these pictures prove to us how dear our own stories, our own images and expressions are to us. In some paintings, the figures are not quite in proportion. Never mind! The total effect is compelling." (Quoted in Mitter, Partha. 1995.
4235:
I would support the replacement of Tagore with Shakuntala. Tagore himself is not culture (I don't mean to offend him in any way) but what he wrote was culture. Similarly, I wouldn't like an image of Kalidasa or Raja Ravi Varma. However, this is a
1760:). Since Otolemur is consistently refusing to respond here to the questions posed for him and moreover is deleting content from his talk page, I request the attending administrator to reinstate the entire sentence in its original form. Regards,
525:
inclusion. Since the Yakshagana edit had nothing to do with the later edit wars that shut the page down, I request that this edit be made; otherwise, Knowledge will be putting out inaccurate information with full awareness of the inaccuracies.
5486:
PS As for the Flora and Fauna images, some are too low-res, and at least one of the tigers (the one licking its paw or about to lick it) might not be a Bengal tiger. The coloring and body proportion looks Siberian to me, but I could be wrong.
8557:, which quoted an official of the Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage as saying, “the Taj has always been the most visited and most popular Indian tourist destination. People abroad consider the monument synonymous with India.”
7614:
every other government has it's agendas? Your high opinions of it's resources suggests you are the unifocal one here. You won't find me heaping praise on the UK Gov't websites. Just stick to facts from reliable sources and quit being partisan.
7469:
595:
Inaccurate information in the article huh - kindav like how India has amongst the biggest scientific infrastructure and manpower in the world, yet somehow we publish less articles in peer reviewed journals (quantity) than twelve other nations
5966:, pp. 179-218. Quote: "The glittering career of Raja Ravi Varma (1848-1906) is a striking case of study of salon art in India – the 'artistic genius' who embodied the virtues expected of an academic artist. In the year following his death,
6452:
I have replaced the old image by a clearer one. Also, I have added more footnotes, which make the point that both the popular Hindu art and Indian cinema art of the 20th-century (and today) have been profoundly influenced by Varma's work.
4626:
Please Nikkul, don't put that mirrored image back - or other heavily photoshopped images. The non-tweaked images are fine, and I for one appreciate the effort you put into finding good images. Just try and restrain your artistic impulses...
7196:
6261:
text regarding Tagore. The picture is just an image of a man. He is not famous for his picture but his great literature and deeds which are already mentioned in the article. I just dont understand why this is so hard to understand?? --
7478:
that states "The state is divided into seven administrative divisions and 39 districts.", along with similar ones work as citations for "In larger states, districts may be grouped together to form a division." that has been tagged with a
7432:
People don't have to reply to this post, since it is a conjecture; however, I would be happy if they think about this possibility as this rotation trial unfolds this week. Meanwhile, however, I am changing my vote to "against rotation."
7400:
This struck me only this morning, when I was looking again at some of the images in the Encarta article on India. One of them, in particular, had struck me many months before when I first saw it. The picture shows a music class in the
1959:
I think if we can put this (minor) issue behind us, we can proceed with more important issues such as what new sections are needed (if any) and how much to expand the article by (if at all), and get the show back on the road. Regards,
5784:, which is not only the greatest work of Sanskrit drama, but also one of the great works of world literature. There is nothing in Tagore that compares with Kalidasa's masterpiece. See the references in the straw poll below. Regards,
5806:
4526:
the same picture? I understand the people may have been edited out but the cars in the parking area are different. Regarding which image is better, I think the Flickr is because it looks more natural as well as not as blurry and dull.
4453:
Again please don't attribute motivations, especially when you do a less than stellar job of clarifying what they are. I sincerely hope this post will encourage you to express yourself more unambiguously in the future. Warm regards,
6731:
Hi, Do we know for sure that the tiger is a Bengal tiger? The coloring, the paw-size, and body proportion look Siberian to me, but I could be wrong. If we don't know that it is a Bengal tiger, then it should be removed. Thanks.
3545:, you will notice that stable versions of articles will be of importance for Knowledge in the future. Regardless of its quality, the India article has high priority and a particular version may be tagged as "stable" in the future.
1040:
Well, let me split this up for you. Yakshagana has elements of music, dance and drama in it. It has a smattering of dialogues too. The allusion to theater refers to the fact that the performance usually narrates a story/episode
472:, I have provided irrefutable evidence (including a signed Encyclopaedia Britannica article written by some of the best known experts on South Asian arts all of whose web sites I have provided) that Yakshagana is considered to be
7662:
From: "Coastal processes along the Indian coastline" V. Sanil Kumar*, K. C. Pathak, P. Pednekar, N. S. N. Raju and R. Gowthaman (Ocean Engineering Division, National Institute of Oceanography, Dona Paula, Goa 403 004 India), in
2127:
funding and exciting research being done in India. The sentence in its present form goes against assumption #2 and makes it seem like India is at the forefront of research. As such, it really needs to be rephrased heavily. --
2038:
I have started making use of this page. I intially only wanted to copyedit a sentence on health in the demographics section but I then realised the references citing the sentence don't exactly say what is stated in the article.
7393:, thinking that image quality was the biggest problem related to rotation. However, even if all our images were Featured Pictures, there potentially is an even bigger problem looming ahead: the danger of all images becoming
4333:
I know what the painting is about - and it's nowhere near as notable as the taj or Tagore. You know that, and I think everyone else here does also. (P.S. There is not even a single mention in the article about Kalidasa. Your
6433:
Note: Nikkul didn't say that he did 'not find value' in the Sakuntala image - he's only saying, like many others, that he would 'prefer' the Tagore image since it is more relevant, notable, and appropriate for this article.
7279:
To anyone who opposes the rotation, I'd like to ask them how they intend to solve the problem of showing India's cuisine, dress, dance, festivals, architecture, literature, sports, traditions, etc. etc. etc. in 2 pictures.
5976:
as the finest in India, never crossed the threshold of an art school. Nor did he originate in an urban environment. Ravi Varma Koil Tampuran was born on 29 April 1848 into an aristocratic family in the remote province of
1993:
Four major world religions---Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism---originated here, while Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism arrived in the first millennium CE and shaped the region's variegated culture.
4007:
The AfD analogy is not valid. There was no consensus for keeping such a controversial image, and there was no WP policy supporting the forced insertion of an image that is not relevant to the article. To the contrary, see
711:
7778:
Encyclopaedia Britannica's article on Fowl (lead sentences): "Chickens are descended from the wild red jungle fowl of India and belong to the species Gallus gallus. They have been domesticated for at least 4,000 years."
7981:
I swear I thought this was the talk India page where people discuss things about this article. If you have a problem with Sarvagnyas edits about chikens, discuss them on the chicken page which is not this one (i think)
306:
Yes. (Commitment to not making non-trivial edits directly to the India page without first submitting the edit to the peer-review and getting feedback from others. This peer-review is for textual edits, not pictures.)
7948:: There are two issues involved here: (a) which is the original domesticated breed (in poultry farming terms) that produced the breeds that are eaten around the world, and (b) which is the ancestral progenitor(s) (in
7043:
4277:
Tagore" gives 1,230,000. Why, fowler, do you keep replacing notable and relevant images with obscure and not-relevant-for-this-article images? Is this some kind of game? Is there some kind of hidden agenda? If we are
1146:
4596:
He's lucky that there wasn't a distintive cloud formation or something. Having said that, shrubs that do not exist magically appear in Nikkul's version. Such an image has no place at all on Knowledge, let alone the
2184:
in the talk page, I will do so. If you find reading clearly explained reasoning not worth your time then don't bother responding to it. Need not worry, I will provide a copy edit that states "as per talk page." --
1726:
of debate and getting feedback from dozens of users. I believe it also satisfied almost everyone's concern. Yes, you should not have to ask for every edit you make but it is also worth considering the flip side.
5606:
The quote is a precise quote from the UNESCO World Heritage Site brief description: The Taj Mahal is the "jewel of Muslim art in India and one of the universally admired masterpieces of the world's heritage." See
6497:: Knowledge values reliable secondary sources – academic monographs, university level textbooks, signed articles by experts in tertiary sources, and internationally recognized academic journal articles – not what
4670:
Yes, I don't think anybody doubts your good intentions Nikkul. I just hope you realise that editing an image so much makes it look fake. Why do we have to change things when there is so much real beauty in India?
1381:
Because of the importance given to the spoken word, certain rhythmic forms like harmony of body lines and gestures have not been studied and cultivated, and consequently the aesthetic aspects of grace and meaning
8648:
turned out to contradict your tall claims you still don't seem to accept you were wrong (and that the article got the better of you). Anyways, it that it was a "gem" of a "cock and bull story" that you spun....
8022:
I suggest we leave out the mention that chicken sugar etc originated in India. Such a fact (contentious/little known) needs to be backed by more references, and we could very well expand on it on the article of
1598:
But you didn't remove the entire second paragraph, just a large fragment of one sentence (from which you removed an article, indicating you knew you were removing the fragment, and not the paragraph). Besides,
3753:
I notice the use of phrases like "regional balance" without specifying the context - linguistic, cultural or historic regions or the traditional north-south divide or even perhaps the unofficial regions listed
849:
is not in that list. The Britannica article was written in 1979 (so it is dated) in terms of what might be the classical dance forms in 2007, as designated by the Sangeet Natak Academy; however, in the section
2085:
Number of peer-reviewed journal articles and impact factor is a strong indication of status of science in a country. This criteria was used to quantify and qualify science and technology in following articles:
5322:
theatre, but also doesn't think Yakshagana is as well developed a dance form (in terms of its stylized gestures) as Kathakali or Kuchipudi, as I have shown in the quotes from his book above in the subsection
3987:
consensus (against:for =17:18 or if Amargg's vote is added will be 18:18). Though "no consensus" should imply 'keep' (thats what is the rule in AfD). But still I removed it cause I am not so sure about that.
439:
8531:, that you have yourself quoted incorrectly, says, "Better known as the “Mysore Palace”, the Amba Vilas is among the most visited monuments in India and attracts more number of tourists than the Taj Mahal.
4653:
I most sincerely appreciate that you've put so much effort into finding and uploading so many good images. Images are extremely important to articles, as the never-ending image disputes here prove. Thanks,
3269:: "a variety of material near relevant text" and "must be relevant to the article ... and of sufficient notability (relative to the article's topic)" (featured images are not mentioned as a requirement at
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is used here in the sense that all along its patrons have been the people at large and not the royalty. Its artists belong to the very class of villagers who often throng to these all night performances
1366:
aspects of footwork and rythmical body movements—including those of the neck, arms and palms. It contains some fine postures, body flexions, as well as a few squatting, jumping and reeling movements.
6695:
296:
So I'm kind of confused. So by signingup, one would promise not to make edits without first doing it in the sandbox, then showing everyone, making sure its okay, and then adding it to the India page?
6591:
I am not opposed to the Sakuntala image, I just think the Tagore is more appropriate. I know you aren't against Tagore the person, and haven't made the belittling comments about him that fowler has.
4442:
What edit? My edit is not "all about the painting," it is about the dramatic work. The fact that the painter's name appears first in the caption is just a literary device; it can be easily changed.
570:
Yakshagana is no more or no less theater than Kathakali is, for example. If the Enc. Britannica calls it "theater"(as in drama/skit), they dont know what they're talking about or more likely that
7839:
talking about chicken as a food product. They were domesticated first in South Asia. Haven't you guys understood by now that I don't put things down unless I've checked the sources. Amazing!
7168:
This choice replaces the current paragraph above with the three short paragraphs (one each for music, dance and theatre) shown in Fowler&fowler's post (immediately following Blacksun's post)
3816:
We all agree that one image can never represent Indian culture in its entirety. Rotating images can get closer to doing this than having one image and saying THIS represents India in all forms.
7638:
the coastline is studied. Their view seems to be that both estimates above are wrong: From: "Loss of marine biodiversity - Conservation of sea turtles along the Orissa coast," by Nayak, L.,
6532:
Thanks for enlightening me with that factoid about Shakuntala. It was news to me. huh. And if Shakuntala can open up the reader to the Mahabharata and Hindu mythology in general, then both
6613:
I fully agree that it is a striking pose. I love that image but just don't find it suitable in the culture section. But I will accept your decision - I hope people vote for Shakuntala :P --
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helps the reader picture what it actually is. It is just that simple - I feel like this has nothing to do with the image but chronic need to oppose everything and anything that is Fowler. --
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guideline that says that the lead has to be "as short as possible"? As far as the guideline on the
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to be a consensus, then 10 to 8 for rotation (without the FP condition) is not consensus either.
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I love the recognition of Shakuntala image. Please replace Tagore image with this one asap.--
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all talk about history in their lead. What Knowledge rule are you implementing by your edit?
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ever consider changing the Gandhi-Nehru image to Gandhi's mugshot in the History section? --
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of opportunistic politics. If we were to go by govt., listings, Sanskrit wouldnt have been
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of festival which falls during the period. This was what i proposed exactly 2 months ago.
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and take your rant there. When I say classical Yakshagana, "classical" is wikilinked to
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terms) in the wild of all the breeds. They are both further treated on my subpage:
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represent India - like Gandhi, Taj, Tagore, main national government building, etc.
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Ravi Varma's spectacular canvases influenced the pioneers of the Indian cinema,
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architecture, food, sports, festivals, tribes folk culture, urban culture, etc?
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edit stops the relentless nitpicking and abuse of process in the tracks.
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Art and Nationalism in Colonial India 1850-1922: Occidental Orientations
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from the early eighteenth century and colonised by the
1473:
from the mid-nineteenth century, India became a modern
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from the early eighteenth century and colonised by the
8544:
ticketed monument of the Archeological Survey of India
6832:. I have left a number of messages on its talk page:
4780:. Highly regionalised forms of popular music include
3402:
Against, unless all of the images in the rotation are
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building. Please cast your vote below. Please sign.
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drama and the other two systems is the role of speech.
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They were not even domesticated first in South Asia.
7817:. Its obviously a pretext to continue revert-warring.
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No addition/expansion in any form needed at this time
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No addition/expansion in any form needed at this time
1386:
But in certain postures that are considered basic to
1079:
article. If it pleases you create an article titled
8579:
also "reliable" report from the Indian Express ....
6800:
why paintings are now appearing in the fauna section
6047:"Rabindanath Tagore: Asia's First Nobel laureate..."
5666:," to the sentence, "The most popular holidays are
5446:, one of the great works of world literature. That
4522:
Are you sure those two links you provided above are
2411:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within (
2277:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within (
1788:
User Otolemur has not only added subsections to the
6794:
what criteria is used to evaluate quality of images
6788:
why it hasnt been discussed on the talk india page,
5592:
Britannica and Oxford World's Classics quotes above
3868:I must say, Ragib has a valid and a strong point -
3406:. And even then I am not sure it is a good idea...
3120:
and with no "Featured Quality" condition on image):
2900:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within
2777:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within
2661:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within
2545:(Large/Small (please choose one)) paragraph within
1926:It looks downright ugly and makes for a poor read.
8539:25,39,471 tourists visited the Taj Mahal in Agra."
7733:and Ladakh under Indian administration, while the
5876:The Recognition of Śakuntalā: A Play in Seven Acts
5403:Never mind - I see that we had another edit war.--
8099:), however, I will note that some pages like FAs
7867:LOL! Your source does not necessarily imply that
7721:CITATION REQUIRED - OFFICIAL MAP HAS A CUT ON TOP
5168:, in neighouring Bengal we have the very popular
4956:, is now performed by both women and laymen.
1249:, in neighouring Bengal we have the very popular
5951:. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Pp.
5454:below) only adds to the illustration. Regards,
1456:edit removed a large fragment of the sentence:
5137:. Royal Holloway College, University of London.
5057:harvnb error: no target: CITEREFMacDonell2004 (
4499:This is the photoshopped image by user Nikkul:
4315:, but have yet to publish anything by Tagore.
1899:Yes, not for now. Maybe after the text review.
5421:way) images to have their time in the article.
5205:, Vol. 31, No. 3. (Autumn, 1980), pp. 439-440.
4798:is one of the best known forms of the latter.
1218:orginated prior to AD 1500. A good number of
1210:belongs to 1564 AD, we can safely assume that
6819:I am not sure what is going on with that. --
6036:(Calcutta: Brahmo Samaj, 1894), pp. 97-113.)"
6009:. New York: Columbia University Press. Pp.
1572:Could Otelmur be asked to explain his edits?
779:Dance. What is this, an attempt at farce?
6727:The "Bengal Tiger" appearing in the rotation
6094:harvnb error: no target: CITEREFMassey2006 (
4507:http://flickr.com/photos/nimrodbar/31437132/
4501:http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:NorthBlock.jpg
2508:2- Large. It is rather important to economy
164:, rather than sandbox. Anyway, more anon.
7476:Encyclopedia Britannica article about Bihar
7385:. In the end, I voted to support rotation
6191:20:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Last updated:
5222:11:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Last update:
5135:dance of the celibate monks of Assam, India
2963:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2840:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2726:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2610:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2490:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2348:3, Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2100:The evidence that I present is as follows,
1722:This sentence was originally created after
1390:, I feel there is more ugliness than charm.
225:15:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Last updated:
6764:Category:Knowledge protected edit requests
5579:enough.. duh; also bringing back tagore."
5440:Again, the painting is an illustration of
5048:
5046:
4495:Need opinion on Nikkul's North Block image
2120:With more PHD's, India can be a superpower
338:21:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Last updated:
7548:http://india.gov.in/knowindia/profile.php
7095:is mainly split between the North Indian
7079:in its list of classical dances, reads:
6828:I don't know either, but the template is
5906:(Gerow, Edwin; signed article). (2007)
5052:
4745:is split mainly between the North Indian
3972:Tagore image. Nikkul wanted the image of
7724:
6722:
6696:For another image in the Culture section
6273:Note that in the Culture section of the
5839:
5810:
5514:'s unclear and inaccurate edit summaries
4768:and of the Carnatic tradition, vocalist
4108:
3031:Blanket no new sections at this time. --
2223:A Straw Poll for Potential New Additions
1440:Removal of content from lead by Otolemur
1379:has the most perfect variety of dance.
8219:I agree with both Blacksun and KH. To
7355:The potential emptiness about rotations
5043:
4010:WP:IMAGE#Pertinence_and_encyclopedicity
3384:The potential emptiness about rotations
2441:(Example) 2, small, culture, signature.
2299:(Example) 2, small, culture, signature.
2162:No. That is how articles improve in a
2033:Talk:India/Text Peer Review and Sandbox
323:PS Please also see the "principles" in
190:Talk:India/Text Peer Review and Sandbox
183:Talk:India/Text Peer Review and Sandbox
14:
7069:Shivarama Karanth's Book on Yakshagana
6927:We're starting this new thing the way
6089:
5939:. Cambridge University Press. p. 179)
5575:"recognition" of shakuntala.. it isnt
5070:
5068:
3930:above, is not whether readers will be
3273:). Greater regional variety is needed.
3098:18:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Updated:
44:Do not edit the contents of this page.
5350:of the art form, it is no older than
4192:sloping thatched and clay-tiled roofs
2251:is approximately 250 to 300 words; a
1648:articles have been modelled on this.
1552:Otelmur made the change to sentence?
1481:that was marked by widespread use of
1306:Yaksagana plays are often likened to
866:After the decline of Sanskrit drama,
8243:, might he also consider removing a
8002:Is it chicken and fowl spectacle or
7411:
7234:Choice C: Keep current version with
7081:
6067:"The Nobel Prize in Literature 1913"
4731:
3791:) and the images being collected on
2055:I've added some suggestions there.
1496:
1458:
1362:s dance form consists mostly of the
1054:
924:
859:
560:Kathakali is much in the same mould.
25:
8231:are the prized possessions" of the
5065:
4014:WP:IMAGE#Image_choice_and_placement
3082:A Straw Poll for Rotation of Images
2375:2 - Large Religion is big in india
1326:The essential difference between a
756:and in addition the website of the
661:Inclusion of Yakshanaga is against
613:Blacksun, maybe you should look up
23:
7160:The three choices for voting are:
6886:We're using our best judgment per
6673:For A Hindu temple or Diwali image
4423:, whose author is none other than
3967:Neither Tagore nor Toda... for now
1919:3. Against subsections at any time
24:
8690:
8148:Amba Vilas palace image + Caption
7201:from the list of classical dances
7044:A Straw Poll on the inclusion of
6890:. Eventually we'll judge pics at
4788:; the syncretic tradition of the
4439:edit is all about the painting."
3976:and Thoreulylazy wanted a pic of
3939:the Toda dairy images was deemed
1589:introduction unnecessarily long.
1157:In a post above in this section,
444:from list of classical dances in
5252:with this piece of information.
2535:Folk and Tribal Culture in India
2073:Recent science related additions
1375:.... This is not to assert that
931:More than 25 important forms of
852:"South Asian arts: Folk Theatre"
29:
8644:Sarvagnya, even after your own
8227:, over a hundred "paintings by
8129:Knowledge:WikiProject Countries
7640:Journal of Indian Ocean Studies
7515:Could somebody cite, please? --
7377:Why rotation doesn't make sense
7048:in the list of classical dances
5616:However the most perplexing of
3928:Why rotation doesn't make sense
2402:Science and Technology in India
7954:User:Fowler&fowler/Chicken
5912:Encyclopædia Britannica Online
5187:
5140:
2914:(Example) 2, small, signature.
2791:(Example) 2, small, signature.
2696:2, small, within demography.--
2677:(Example) 2, small, signature.
2561:(Example) 2, small, signature.
1485:as a means of social protest.
545:Yakshagana is more accurately
117:environment where accusations
13:
1:
7711:of the same statue better? --
7387:with the FP-quality condition
6806:how can one insert the images
5584:The Recognition of Shakuntala
4808:forms. Among the well-known
4800:Indian dance too has diverse
4406:beloved bard of Shantiniketan
4313:The Recognition of Shakuntala
4240:of Raja Ravi Varma about the
4113:The Recognition of Shakuntala
2444:3, not needed at this time.
158:Knowledge:Picture_peer_review
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4961:traditional and folk theatre
4860:elements have been accorded
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4505:This is the original image:
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3872:Will someone care to reply?
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3611:Sakyamuni Siddhartha Gautama
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1784:A Straw Poll for Subsections
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1411:great Indian theatrical art
1147:Shivarama Karanth's Book on
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933:traditional and folk theatre
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8044:Sure, Nichalp, no problem.
7513:Is this remove--tag-worthy?
6939:processes matured. Thanks.
6024:, published in the journal
6003:. Guha-Thakurta, Tapati.
5723:made his India page debut
4948:tradition, most notably on
3465:Against Rotation of Images:
2933:2, small, within Economy.--
2810:2, small, within culture.--
2580:2, small, within culture.--
2460:2, small, within Economy.--
841:, from Andhra Pradesh, and
508:. In another edit summary
10:
8695:
5945:. Mitter, Partha. 1995.
5312:This much for now. gtg.
5193:Hapgood, Robert. 1983. "
1505:British East India Company
1467:British East India Company
8111:, but got no response.
7238:listed as classical dance
7205:This choice removes only
6803:how many images there are
6375:Fundamental metric tensor
3331:Conditional For/Against :
1808:, decided to temporarily
1517:struggle for independence
1503:Gradually annexed by the
1479:struggle for independence
1465:Gradually annexed by the
476:and not classical dance,
6852:I'll reply in ~8 hours.
6834:Template_talk:Image_file
5172:plays. Maharashtra has
5130:Kothari, Sunil. 2007.
4959:India has many forms of
4419:There is mention of the
4082:text". The Tagore image
2653:(Daughter article(s): )
1253:plays. Maharashtra has
464:has continued to insert
6797:where the image bank is
6566:don't think images are
6477:pertaining to "Culture"
6112:. Columbia Encyclopedia
5904:Encyclopædia Britannica
5853:India's national anthem
5727:and that too concerned
5115:Online. 12 Oct. 2007.
5113:Encyclopædia Britannica
5078:Sivaramamurti, Calambur
4309:Oxford World's Classics
4184:vernacular architecture
4180:vernacular architecture
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784:Sivaramamurti, Calambur
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667:Knowledge:Summary Style
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470:Talk:India#Yakshagana
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8575:PS And then there is
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5120:Sangeet Natak Academi
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788:J. A. B. van Buitenen
758:Sangeet Natak Academi
730:J. A. B. van Buitenen
716:YouTube on Yakshagana
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7018:I second that. :)
6791:who chose the images
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5874:. Kalidasa. 2001.
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7942:user:Amarrg
7899:says it is
7744:—Preceding
7707:Isn't this
7627:Texankudiya
7616:Green Giant
7593:—Preceding
7582:Green Giant
7561:Texankudiya
7555:—Preceding
7474:Could this
7335:ॐ Priyanath
7004:ॐ Priyanath
6985:Update the
6951:—Preceding
6777:Image Files
6634:—Preceding
6599:ॐ Priyanath
6436:ॐ Priyanath
6284:ॐ Priyanath
6116:October 21,
6090:Massey 2006
5928:. Quote: "
5815:Scene from
5758:ॐ Priyanath
5472:ॐ Priyanath
5426:ॐ Priyanath
5149:. (1997).
5007:Maharashtra
4985:West Bengal
4954:Brahmaputra
4946:Vaishnavite
4897:mohiniattam
4810:folk dances
4656:ॐ Priyanath
4629:ॐ Priyanath
4340:ॐ Priyanath
4288:ॐ Priyanath
4262:ॐ Priyanath
4196:West Bengal
4188:Toda people
4154:Mahabharata
4128:ॐ Priyanath
4088:ॐ Priyanath
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3760:Green Giant
3455:Green Giant
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2851:Green Giant
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2628:3- no need
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2245:Definition:
1951:Green Giant
1938:—Preceding
1738:was removed
1448:editprotect
1347:. (1997).
1293:. (1997).
1234:early plays
1184:. (1997).
952:Therukoothu
512:wrote (see
440:Removal of
274:—Preceding
251:Please see
138:WP:BOLDness
115:egalitarian
36:This is an
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8191:and first
8097:user:Ragib
7764:Origin of
7735:Aksai Chin
7250:MynameHere
7236:Yakshagana
7217:MyNameHere
7207:Yakshagana
7199:Yakshagana
7151:elements.
7145:yakshagana
7109:folk music
7097:Hindustani
7077:Yakshagana
7064:Yakshagana
7054:Yakshagana
7046:Yakshagana
6902:image file
6077:October 3,
6053:October 3,
6030:Ravi Varma
6018:023112998X
5983:Travancore
5960:0521443547
5924:. 1893.
5883:0192839114
5831:Kilimanoor
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5694:Durga puja
5644:, the two
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5577:recognised
5414:subjective
5199:Yakshagana
5158:8170173574
5029:Yakshagana
5025:Karanataka
5020:yakshagana
5017:, and the
5015:Tamil Nadu
5011:terukkuttu
4876:Tamil Nadu
4786:folk music
4747:Hindustani
4712:Yakshagana
4172:literature
3974:Akshardham
3932:displeased
3673:Amartyabag
3539:WP:FLAGGED
3520:Discussion
3314:Amartyabag
3299:Amartyabag
2680:2, Small,
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1413:Yakshagana
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962:of Orissa
946:Yakshagana
896:terukkuttu
847:Yakshagana
640:Rueben lys
631:Rueben lys
466:Yakshagana
442:Yakshagana
192:(shortcut
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87:Archive 20
82:Archive 19
76:Archive 18
70:Archive 17
65:Archive 16
60:Archive 15
18:Talk:India
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8628:Sarvagnya
8607:Knowledge
8529:The Hindu
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8478:Knowledge
8458:Knowledge
8407:Sarvagnya
8383:Knowledge
8342:Sarvagnya
8276:Knowledge
8235:. Since
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7992:Sarvagnya
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7125:kathakali
7020:Sarvagnya
6914:WP:PINSPC
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6869:With this
6865:Answers:
6754:Sarvagnya
6542:Sarvagnya
6485:Sarvagnya
6391:Sarvagnya
6359:Priyanath
6311:Sarvagnya
6049:Time Asia
5962:. From:
5864:Footnotes
5702:Christmas
5650:Christmas
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5558:Sarvagnya
5527:this edit
5380:Protected
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5256:Knowledge
5242:Excellent
5178:Yakṣagāna
5166:Ankia Nat
5162:Yakṣagāna
5151:Yakṣagāna
5090:C.M. Naim
5055:, p. 1-40
4907:kuchipudi
4891:kathakali
4854:Rajasthan
4806:classical
4774:mridangam
4194:of rural
4164:Śakuntalā
3992:Knowledge
3978:Thanjavur
3919:Sarvagnya
3897:Sarvagnya
3893:wikipedia
3876:Knowledge
3535:WP:STABLE
3488:Dbachmann
3422:Knowledge
3253:Priyanath
3208:Dwaipayan
3127:Sarvagnya
3118:WP:PINSPC
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2146:Sarvagnya
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1903:Knowledge
1862:Dwaipayan
1701:Nishkid64
1601:Australia
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1402:Vihangama
1388:Yakṣagāna
1377:Yakṣagāna
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1214:plays or
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1149:Yaksagana
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839:kuchipudi
827:kathakali
796:C.M. Naim
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691:Oh yeah?
677:Knowledge
669:style of
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598:2005 data
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8282:Hegemony
8265:Blacksun
8209:contribs
8197:continue
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8133:=Nichalp
8030:=Nichalp
7901:Thailand
7874:Lokantha
7799:WP:UNDUE
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6127:Comment:
6092:, p. 186
6013:, 432.
5955:, 505.
5908:Kalidasa
5857:Manipuri
5817:Kalidasa
5710:Vaisakhi
5664:Vaisakhi
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5262:Hegemony
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3998:Hegemony
3985:no clear
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3668:See here
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3271:WP:IMAGE
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1165:book by
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683:Hegemony
663:WP:UNDUE
654:Blacksun
619:WP:TRUTH
602:Blacksun
579:book by
486:user:KNM
482:user:KNM
400:/Economy
378:/Economy
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8105:Germany
8081:Maynard
8035:«Talk»=
7835:Yes, I
7529:Maynard
7493:Maynard
7407:Chennai
7395:vanilla
7389:in the
7245:Votes:
7212:Votes:
7176:Votes:
7115:. Many
7113:bhangra
7060:YouTube
6473:Comment
6275:England
6026:Sadhana
5542:Kannada
5305:Hoysala
5195:Macbeth
5002:tamasha
4996:ramlila
4975:Gujarat
4922:Manipur
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4818:of the
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498:theatre
448:section
446:Culture
39:archive
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7187:«Talk»
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6811:Nikkul
6768:Arvind
6748:Guess
6740:«Talk»
6702:myname
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6625:Nikkul
6514:«Talk»
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6252:Sundar
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5979:Kerala
5835:Kerala
5792:«Talk»
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5674:Diwali
5622:Diwali
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4881:kathak
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4796:Bengal
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4462:«Talk»
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4170:Sangam
4073:«Talk»
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