115:, his "alliances" with Hitler, the Italian Fascists, and the Imperial Japanese notwithstanding. His followers in the Congress party (when he was still in the Congress) formed what was considered the "left wing" of the Congress. After he broke with the Indian National Congress, he formed the Forward Block party, which, (after his death and) for many years after independence, sided with the various Communist parties on most issues in the Indian parliament. Among, mainstream historians, as has been pointed out on these pages before, the consensus is that the various students groups that arose in response to the Quit India Resolution and the various communist and labor parties that drew many new recruits during the years 1942-46, caused more nervousness among the British than Bose ever did. If a consensus decision is made to revise the "freedom struggle" subsection, then those groups will need to be mentioned long before Bose makes an appearance. Such a major re-interpretation needs to be discussed here (and a consensus arrived around it) before it can be introduced into the history section. I will add a link to a previous discussion to Bose on the pages soon.
551:. :::::Second, your quotes are saying what is well-known: that after the INA failed to "liberate" India, and its leaders were tried for treason by the British, the Congress (somewhat cynically) exploited the wave of sympathy for the INA "generals" to do some PR work for itself. Your quotes don't say, for example, that Nehru attended the trials with Bhulabhai Desai and (along with the Congress) ended up alienating Wavell (the viceroy) even more, which some historians think proved crucial in giving Jinnah the advantage that eventually led to the partition. INA did have a brief flash of glory during the trials, but Bose was long gone by then, and there is no evidence that the British worried about it any more than any mass disturbance in India. It was certainly not on the scale of the Direct Action Day (let alone the Quit India Movement). My basic point remains that there are many more important topics in the Indian Freedom Struggle than either the Indian National Army or Bose himself. Those issues will need to be added before Bose or INA can. If you want to make a contribution, try the
162:. After the war, the British Indian armed forces stopped supporting the Raj's efforts, and the mutinies it inspired were a very strong factor, which even the Congress expolited at the time/ The version of the movement that we see today in India is a very narrow and enclosed version that only talks of Congress and Gandhi, whereas there's more to it than that. I do not have any interest in making Bose a hero, but I have read a lot on this in the last two years (I will reference this a number of authorities of history if you wish) that the ultimate death nail was not the Quit India but the swaying of the alleigance of the armed forces. Also the old version makes a point not to say anything about any event, movement or views before, during or after Gandhi, which gives a wrong impression. The independence movement existed long before Gandhi arrived. In fact a reason why the
6071:)(Chapter VIII) has perceptively described as "The edge of a Volcano". Very foolishly, The British initially decided to hold public trials of dismissing from service and detaining without trial no less that 7000:Mansergh, Vol. VI, pp49-51). They compounded the folly by holding the first trial in the Red Fort, Delhi in November 1945, and putting on the dock together a Hindu, a Muslim, and a Sikh (P.K. Sehgal, Shah Nawaz, Gurbaksh Singh Dhillon). Bhulabhai Desai, Tejbahadur Sapru and Nehru apperared for teh defence (the latter putting on his barrister's gown fter 25 years), and the Muslim league also joined the countrywide protest. On 20 November, an intelligence Bureau note admitted that "There has seldom been a matter which has attracted so much public interest and, it is safe to say, sympathy...this particular brand of sympathy cuts across communal barriers."
2118:)(Chapter VIII) has perceptively described as "The edge of a Volcano". Very foolishly, The British initially decided to hold public trials of dismissing from service and detaining without trial no less that 7000:Mansergh, Vol. VI, pp49-51). They compounded the folly by holding the first trial in the Red Fort, Delhi in November 1945, and putting on the dock together a Hindu, a Muslim, and a Sikh (P.K. Sehgal, Shah Nawaz, Gurbaksh Singh Dhillon). Bhulabhai Desai, Tejbahadur Sapru and Nehru apperared for teh defence (the latter putting on his barrister's gown fter 25 years), and the Muslim league also joined the countrywide protest. On 20 November, an intelligence Bureau note admitted that "There has seldom been a matter which has attracted so much public interest and, it is safe to say, sympathy...this particular brand of sympathy cuts across communal barriers."
2412:...The mutiny came to receive widespread militant support, even for the short period that it lasted, not only in Bombay, but also in Karachi and Calcutta on 23 February, in Ahmedabad, Madras and Trichinopoly on the 25th, at Kanpur on the 26th, and at Madurai and several places in Assam on the 26th. The agitations, mass strikes, demonstrations and consequently support for the mutineers, therefore continued several days even after the mutiny had been called off. Along with this, the assessment may be made that it described in crystal clear terms to the government that the British Indian Armed forces could no longer be universally relied upon for support in crisis, and even more it was more likely itself to be the source of the sparks that would ignite trouble in a country fast slipping out of the scenario of political settlement...
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of the partition of Bengal on p7. Bose is mentioned twice, once in a short paragraph introducing the
Forward Block on p15 and the second time in the unflattering paragraph quoted above. The Ghadar party gets one paragraph including a mention of Har Dayal. No mention is made of the INA, the INA trials, Bhagat Singh, Chandrasekhar Azad, or any of the other "revolutionaries." In contrast, Pherozeshah Mehta, Dadabhai Naoroji, Surendranath Bannerjee, Gokhale, Jinnah, Tilak, Nehru, Suhrawardy, Liaqat Ali Khan, Patel, and of course Gandhi get a lot of coverage. I said above that the Indian freedom struggle wasn't monolithic, what I meant was that from the 1920s onwards there were fractures in the movement, with the Muslims becoming wary and ultimately splitting off. However, in other ways, it really
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forefronted the movement from 1920s, and that there were three notable events in the last five years of the movement that are held of quite considerable importance with relation to the movement. I have referenced my edits to respectable sources including the
Encyclopaedia Britannica, BBC's history section, and a number of published accounts of the Raj and the independence movement. These edits have been repeatedly reverted by user Fowler&Fowler who insists that the bit on independence movement can not and should not be expanded anymore, as well as that what my edits are trying to cede more than deserved importance to non-notable events. Hie has also insisted that nothing outside the Gandhian movement is notable and insists on a version that says that
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have happened sooner or later no matter what. Nevertheless it did not happen later. It happened then. In the autumn if 1945 India was swept by a storm of excitement and indignation, a storm that Bose and his renegades ignited. It was a storm the Indian officer, and the Jawan too, could not ignore. They did not ignore it. We have it on the authority of the
Commander-in-Chief that they did not ignore it. In 1942, at the time of quit India, there had been no question of reliability. Now their own commander doubted it. Three years of campaigning, three years climaxed by victories in Europe and on the Irrawaddy, do not explain the change. Only that autumn storm can. It was the Indian National Army that forced the British hand.
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have happened sooner or later no matter what. Nevertheless it did not happen later. It happened then. In the autumn if 1945 India was swept by a storm of excitement and indignation, a storm that Bose and his renegades ignited. It was a storm the Indian officer, and the Jawan too, could not ignore. They did not ignore it. We have it on the authority of the
Commander-in-Chief that they did not ignore it. In 1942, at the time of quit India, there had been no question of reliability. Now their own commander doubted it. Three years of campaigning, three years climaxed by victories in Europe and on the Irrawaddy, do not explain the change. Only that autumn storm can. It was the Indian National Army that forced the British hand.
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Singapore, where Japan had captured at least 40,000 Indian troops during its takeover of that island fortress in February 1942. These captured soldiers became Netaji (“Leader”) Bose's Indian National Army (INA) in 1943 and, a year later, marched behind him to Rangoon. Bose hoped to “liberate” first Imphal and then Bengal from British rule, but the British forces at India's eastern gateways held until the summer monsoon gave them respite enough to be properly reinforced and drove Bose and his army back down the Malay Peninsula. In August 1945 Bose escaped by air from Saigon but died of severe burns after his overloaded plane crashed onto Formosa.
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eventually transported to Japan and then to
Singapore, where Japan had captured at least 40,000 Indian troops during its takeover of that island fortress in February 1942. These captured soldiers became Netaji (“Leader”) Bose's Indian National Army (INA) in 1943 and, a year later, marched behind him to Rangoon. Bose hoped to “liberate” first Imphal and then Bengal from British rule, but the British forces at India's eastern gateways held until the summer monsoon gave them respite enough to be properly reinforced and drove Bose and his army back down the Malay Peninsula. In August 1945 Bose escaped by air from Saigon but died of severe burns after his overloaded plane crashed onto Formosa.
2417:...The navy itself was marginal in terms of state power; Indian service personnel were at this time being swept by a wave of nationalist sentiments, as would be proved by the mutinies that occurred in the Royal Indian Air Force. In the after-effect of the mutiny, a Weekly intelligence summary issued on 25 March 1946 admitted that the Indian army, navy and air force units were no longer trust worthy, and, for the army, "only day to day estimates of steadiness could be made". . It came to the situation where, if wide-scale public unrest took shape, the armed forces could not be relied upon to support counter-insurgency operations as they had been during the "Quit India" movement of 1942...
5408:"Liberator." The INA was stopped before entering Bengal, first by monsoon rains and then by the RAF, and forced to retreat, back through Burma and down its coast to the Malay peninsula. (In May 1945, Bose would fly out of Saigon on an overloaded Japanese plane, headed for Taiwan, which crash-landed and burned. Bose suffered third-degree burns and died in the hospital on Formosa.) Wavell's bad news was that the general food situation was unchanged, with serious scarcity suffered throughout south India's Travancore and Cochin states, where the monsoon had failed, and the food grain harvest were less than "one-third of normal."
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Indian armed forces. 'he whole country has been roused', Mahatma Gandhi observed, 'and even regular forces have been stirred into a new political consciousness and have begun to think in erms of indepdence.' There were large-scale street protests in Bombay and
Calcutta between November 1945 and February 1946. The most serious of the mutinies took place amon the ratings of the Royal Indian Navy, led by M.S Khan in Bombay and other ports in Western India in February 1946. In street protests, the green flag of the Muslim League and the red flag of the communists were occasionaly flown together with the Congres tricolour.
170:. Please dont look at this as a PoV edit, because its not. I wish this page on India not to be a political statement (particularly in the History section), but to give a complete and true picture (as much as possible). By all means, you have to have a balanced view, but that would mean a different version of the movement than was there earlier. Regarding old discussions, I haven't seen this discussion in the archive. And I dont know who you're claiming as main stream historians. But I have personal correspondence opinions and published accounts of a number of eminent historians that I am sure will prove point.
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belonging to the Hindu right, which I am sure will not be bourne out by my edit history and will only embarass Fowler by exposing his ignorance and blind bias. I have explained before that I do not wish to champion Bose, but I do wish to make the history section more comprehensive to reflect a more than just a propaganda statement by non-violence Nazis. The reason why I included the Quit India and the INA is, first of all I have been reading a lot in the last one year on the last years of the Raj, and the consensus here is that the three or four events I have mentioned, particularly the
7237:, not Keyenes. Thats the third time you've got it wrong :( . As far as content goes, I am quite content with the current version, although I would not be against the content of Dwaipayan's version if it can be compressed, and if the prose can be improved. I do contend that certain sentences in his/her about "minor terrorist and organizational activities oriented towards freedom" are clearly something I would not want to see on the India Page. A request here; can we please remove the controversial tag that is so clearly an eyesore? --
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the books I read (and quite sure this is a justified notion) is that in fact in the last days of the Raj
Gandhian as well as the not-so-Gandhian movements and events (endorsed by Gandhi) came into play in a massive scale and hence my edits. I do not wish to address Fowler's rant because it is quite obvious to me he lacks courtesy and respect for most if not all of his fello-editors who have disagreed with him. He has this to say about editors (principally, I believe, me) who have tried to make edits not corresponding with his:
712:, the emphasis that we place on different contributing factors leading to India's independence should reflect the weightage reliable sources place on them. If editors think that the current version presents the independence struggle as a monolithic effort led by INC/Mahatma Gandhi, we can certainly consider rephrasing the relevant two sentences. IMO for this summary-style article the militant movements could at best merit an additional phrase/half-sentence, but certainly not a detailed discussion of
1244:, which I must clarify is not the point of my earlier edits, although it does deserve to be mention in my opinion. As Dwaipayan suggested above, this section could be re-written, I am willing to do this not to a compromised version, but to a collaborated version. But till this is done, I believe the version as exists when I instituting this tag is an incomplete version that gives a factually totally wrong impression to the layman who would reading this article. And this is not acceptable.
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many issues that had already come to a head in the late 19th century ... BTW, I have not made a single edit in the history section myself. But I am aware that it is written in a concise style. Go back and take a good look at my
Britannica outline. If you had to compress 19 pages into two (or even four) sentences, how do you think Bose will merit a mention? Simply, not in the cards. BTW, the five books I have provided links for are not just "concise" histories of India, but
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by Nehru himself and emerged national heroes. Britain's Field
Marshal Lord Wavell, and his Commander in Chief understood at that moment in 1945 that the Raj was doomed, for all ranks in the army that held fast was "turning soft." Britain's final two post-war years were a holding action designed to maintain some "illusion of permanence," while the newly elected labour Government desperately searched for a formula to make the imminent transfer of Power as peaceful as possible.
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1337:, Jallianwalla Bagh Massacre, 12. Gandhi's non-cooperation movement, Congress's demand for complete independence, 13. Gandhi's Salt Satyagraha, 14. Govt. of India Act, formation of governments in states by Congress in 1937, 15. WWII, Pakistan resolution (1940), Quit India resolution (1942), Direct action day (1946), formation of interim government by Jawaharlal Nehru, 16. Partition of India, transfer of power, Hindu-Muslim riots, Gandhi as "one man boundary force."
3390:, Jallianwalla Bagh Massacre, 12. Gandhi's non-cooperation movement, Congress's demand for complete independence, 13. Gandhi's Salt Satyagraha, 14. Govt. of India Act, formation of governments in states by Congress in 1937, 15. WWII, Pakistan resolution (1940), Quit India resolution (1942), Direct action day (1946), formation of interim government by Jawaharlal Nehru, 16. Partition of India, transfer of power, Hindu-Muslim riots, Gandhi as "one man boundary force."
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in the country to a standstill while student protests and demonstrations involving members of the British Indian army disrupted daily life. On Dec. 31, 1945, the military court declared Khan, Sahgal, and Dhillon guilty of high treason and waging war against the King of England and sentenced them to exile for life. Immediately following the verdict, however, the commander in chief, Field Marshal Sir Claude Auchinleck, commuted the sentences and freed the men ...
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India now confirmed that they were — then Indians in the Indian army must have been on the wrong side. It slowly dawned upon the Government of India that the backbone of the British rule, the Indian army, might now no longer be trustworthy. The ghost of Subhas Bose, like Hamlet’s father, walked the battlements of the Red Fort (where the INA soldiers were being tried), and his suddenly amplified figure overawed the conference that was to lead to independence.
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India now confirmed that they were — then Indians in the Indian army must have been on the wrong side. It slowly dawned upon the Government of India that the backbone of the British rule, the Indian army, might now no longer be trustworthy. The ghost of Subhas Bose, like Hamlet’s father, walked the battlements of the Red Fort (where the INA soldiers were being tried), and his suddenly amplified figure overawed the conference that was to lead to independence
3406:, or any other militant. The only reference to "extremism" in the modern sense, is indirectly to the Ghadar party (a radical party founded by Sikhs who were denied immigration to Canada), "A small, mostly Sikh revolutionary movement appeared briefly in Punjab." The overwhelming portion of the text (19 pages in Britannica and 16 paragraphs in Encarta) is devoted primarily to the Indian National Congress and secondarily to the Muslim League.
5198:, which itself is pretty succint. Lastly, I am aware of the scale and scope of the events and movement around Bhagat Singh but I do not know enough to write about this. If any other editor does and can incorporate this in the text succintly and NPOVly, I (unlike Fowler) do not have a problem, nor do I wish Bose to be placed on this high pedestal and have every one else removed from the history section. Also, the
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here for the time being, but let me just say I am thoroughly surprised at the disingenuous argument being used here (See Kulke and Dortmund for example) to twist both what is actually written and what is implied. The stats are not showing what the books are saying, and as Kulke's book shows, it looks like there's so much on everyone like Gandhi and Nehru. In reallity, in the book, the independence movement has
2584:...Thus, Wavell concluded,if the army and the police "failed" Britain would be forced to go. In theory, it might be possible to revive and reinvigorate the services, and rule for another fifteent to trwenty years, but:It is a fallacy to suppose that the solution lies in trying to maintain status quo. We have no longer the resources, nor the neccessary prestige or confidence in ourselves.
6260:(ie, what's the argument), ie does it find mention to be significant . I have quoted what my sources say, Fowler so far hasn't. That has rapidly been converted into how many pages is devoted to the issues. The issue that the "non-violent" philosophy and movement was a major movement is not the debate. The debate was, are is or was there anything else notable? Did there
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Right, which was twiddling its thumbs during all 62 years of the Indian freedom struggle (1885 to 1947), now finds itself left out of that struggle's history. They can't really write themselves in; so they champion the "militants," the "terrorists," and other drifting relics as a counterfoil to Gandhi and nonviolence. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
1385:. I am sorry but I will reinstitue the tag till this is addressed, especially in relation to the talk below to expand this article. And I also have a problem that you're dictating the terms here. I wish to reach a consensus, but this article can be and should be improved. And with regards to quoting from other encyclopaedia, I am sure we can improve the quality of the
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overpowering emotion distinguished India at the end of the war, it was anger at the victory of the United Nations... ...Public resentment had not abated after six months. So on March 7 1946, the day of formal celebration of victory in India, Delhi town hall was partly gutted, Indians in European dresses were set upon, their hats and neckties snatched...
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mentioning the INA in the media etc...which doesn't really show Wolpert did his homework before publishing. I am not sure anymore that he's a very good historian at all if he cant even count, let alone that he has half digested half vomitted his facts Fowler. Also, Fowler, what does he say about the period between October 1945 and July 1946???
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air force units were no longer trust worthy, and, for the army, "only day to day estimates of steadiness could be made". . It came to the situation where, if wide-scale public unrest took shape, the armed forces could not be relied upon to support counter-insurgency operations as they had been during the "Quit India" movement of 1942.
7117:, but they dint kill not a single innocent people like current terrorists. They certainly deserve mention alongside non-violence movements. Current history section states only one type of independence movement was present i.e. non-violence. All quit india etc were non-violence. Both these leaders can be mentioned in single sentence.
5753:). I like the way the original point has now been twisted to try and have me defend wether "Bose should be included" instead of wether there are other view points that deserve inclusion in addition to the view that Congress was the soul driving force. Reiterating what the RfC was about. Fowler's repeatedly reverted versions say
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Indian military from the British Empire and toward the goal of independence. In the years after the trial, as Gandhi's nonviolence campaign gained increasing worldwide sympathy and as the ultimate dream of independence became a reality in 1947, the legacy of Bose, the INA, and the 1945 trial faded considerably, and
1267:) is a much better gauge of notability than a specialty book about the Indian national army, which obviously will have details about the INA. I think the two sentences could certainly be made more balanced, along the lines of: "The nationalist freedom movement in India began in 1885 with the founding of the
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circumscribed lives or events of the book's focus. Compressed in the box below, is a list of some recent monographs, which are all searchable on amazon.com. I have added the search results; the number in the parentheses (as before) indicates the number of pages in which that person or topic appears.
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incorrect and onesided, even after reading the citations from Ian Copland's work, and Kulke Dortmund's work I have given above. If you wish to have more information as to why it's factually wrong, pls see Metcalfe reference in Fowler's RfC record page and see how they describe the movement. Next read
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One, which for example Sarvagnya writes about, is whether the Indian history section (and the Independence movement sections is particular) can/should be expanded. On this I don't think there is any strong opposition, and I think we can even double the two sentences to paint a broader picture without
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are that Kulke follows closely my original edit that expanded it to one para. Sercondly, going By the Ingenious mechanisms of not judging on what the author says but instead on how many times he menions a name, yeah, I would say DNA is the most famous thing in the world, but is it? I am going to stop
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the disputant in this RfC), and, in addition, they have the effect of discouraging others from commenting, when they notice that your comments have taken up three times more space than everyone else's put together. You have to learn to make your point in your statement, not drag it out in dribbles in
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surprised that he did not recognise(???) a springerlink or a Jounral of Asian and African studies article and could not assure Dwaipayan that it might indeed be a genuine. The other thing I noted was that this particular discussion was between only two people, which Fowler put forward as a consensus
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PS In fact the RfC upstairs, echoes these themes. The editor in question would like whittle down the roles of Gandhi and nonviolence and bulk up the (mainly nonexistent) roles of the various violent revolutionaries in the Indian freedom struggle. Part of the problem is that the latterly teeming Hindu
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It was also in 1941 when Bose fled to Germany, where he started broadcasting appeals to India urging the masses to “rise up” against British “tyranny” and to “throw off” their chains. There were, however, few Indians in Germany, and Hitler's advisers urged Bose to go back to Asia by submarine; he was
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Gandhi is arrested in January. He begins a fast unto death in September to ighlight the divisive nature of the communal award handed down by the British Prime minister Macdonald as part of the roundtable constitution making process. Gandhi and Dr Ambedkar (representing the depressed classes) reaches
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The Government of India had hoped, by prosecuting members of the INA, to reinforce the morale of the Indian army. It succeeded only in creating unease, in making the soldiers feel slightly ashamed that they themselves had supported the British. If Bose and his men had been on the right side — and all
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His sources and other encyclopaedias he quotes (which do mention other movements in a considerably larger section on the Indian independence movement) are said to ascribe these as nonnotable and he insists that in the article the the independence section be compressed, and for the sake of comressing,
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referenced and found to be notable by a number of authors. As such I would like it if we had a larger discussion on this before a conclusion is reached. There's plenty of space to expand this section beyond a few sentences so space seems to be a weasel argument and moreover is reaching PoV pushing to
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Amazing! How do you get that I think the Indian Independence struggle began in the 20th century. I just listed all 19 pages from the Britannica chapter on Indian independence movement written by Stanley Wolpert. The pages begin with the founding of the Indian National Congress in 1885, and address
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The Government of India had hoped, by prosecuting members of the INA, to reinforce the morale of the Indian army. It succeeded only in creating unease, in making the soldiers feel slightly ashamed that they themselves had supported the British. If Bose and his men had been on the right side — and all
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the Congress and the Muslim League. There was really nothing else that made a tangible difference. People like Bhagat Singh, who killed an official or two here or there, made great romantic heroes, but winning India its independence took mass organization, political skill, and persistence over many
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Except for two pages, p7 and p13, the pages are long with many long paragraphs. The only militants that are mentioned are in the struggle between the militant (Tilak) wing of the Congress vs. the moderate (Gokhale) wing of the Congress on page 6. "Terrorism" is mentioned in two lines in the context
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yet that is exactly what you're version is saying. You're insisting that the version be compressed enough not to include anything but the Congress's role in the freedom movement, and the version is essentially starting and ending with the Gandhi inspired movement from 1918 to 1942 and then concluding
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It was also in 1941 when Bose fled to Germany, where he started broadcasting appeals to India urging the masses to “rise up” against British “tyranny” and to “throw off” their chains. There were, however, few Indians in Germany, and Hitler's advisers urged Bose to go back to Asia by submarine; he was
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I do not wish to champion Bose. What I do wish to do is to point out that there was more than one movement and philosophy in the freddom movement, and the movement did not start in 1920s (thats factually wrong). Also the fact that a number of defining movements arose especially in the last decade of
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Reuben Iys has lately been trying to supplement the history section with his version of Subhash Bose's contribution to the freedom struggle. There is an idiosyncratic version of recent Indian history out there, which assigns to Bose a lion's share of the credit for liberating India from the British.
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Proportion of coverage on Bose is a complex issue. He is, as it is, under covered outside of Knowledge. That either could be reflecting his actual relative notability or could be due to some systemic bias. If it's the latter case, we're not a primary source tasked to correct that anomaly. That would
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of society, economics and pollitics in Modern India. It is an examination of Modern-Nation-state-style western democracy and Indian-traditional-religious dichotomy of modern India. I am not entirely sure why this would be a study of The Raj and the Indian independence movement. It seems more social
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statement is being supported by a encyclopaedias and books on India, and not on the independence movement (on which the paragraph is based), and then the argument is being put forward that "we don't have space" so we can only include this view". The references I have given, ie, books on the movement
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consider the INA to be a very bad influence compared to the Japanese, and had to start "Josh" groups to stop the Indian soldiers from defecting, start circulating propaganda among troops about the INA that said they were Barbaric people who ate their PoWs livers, and in general put a newsban on even
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Though always introspective and subject to sudden shifts of mood, Nehru more often questioned the wisdom of his own decisions now, feeling more deeply depressed and weary, as he told Mountbatten on the eve of his departure: "May be, we have made many mistakes, you and we ... but I do believe that we
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The reason I initially edited was to include the fact that the Gandhian movement, by all means and by far the most prominet, was not the only philosophy, and that the other movements that did exist were by no means non-notable. Why I included INA,trials and the mutiny is because the ideas I got from
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Bose, along with Nehru, had long led the more leftist, socialist oriented wing in the Congress. Bose was deeply commited to anti-colonialism and to a more egalitarian social and gender politics than Gandhi, and, when he was denied the Congress presidency he won in 1939, he broke with him definitely.
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The final mass movement on all India scale ttok place on the issue of the INA trials in late 1945 and early 1946. Apart from large-scale public protests and Congress's championing of the cause,there was a new dimension to this agitation:It included mutinies, uprisings, and dissent within the British
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and patriotism), they will also tell you that you're still swallowing World War II war-time Allied propaganda superimposed on refusing to see anything but evil on anybody who worked with axis powers. I am not quoting because my purpose is not to glorify Bose or his army, but to make an encyclopaedic
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more than just the congress led post-1920s movement is described there, as is there more than just Gandhi. I can see how the statistics are being used to hide behind the truth. Incidentally, we have Fowler's word that these are all "Text Books" in all the university around the world (I am sure they
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the disputant in this RfC), and, in addition, they have the effect of discouraging others from commenting, when they notice that your comments have taken up three times more space than everyone else's put together. You have to learn to make your point in your statement, not drag it out in dribbles
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Indian Nationalist leaders are not consulted before the Viceroy Involves India in the Second World War. Nationalist leaders counter they will fight of they are an independence people. Ignored by the Viceroy, the elected Congress ministries resign. The Muslim league condemns the Viceroy's action but
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Having shrewdly assessed the public mood, the Congress made the release of the INA prisoners a central point of their election campaigns. Although the court-martial sentenced the Red Fort three to deprotation for life, the commander-in-chief, Claude Auchinleck, was forced under tremendous pressure
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In India itself the atmosphere was tense. There was mass protests against the arrests of leaders of the small Indian National Army recruited by Japan in 1942, which had been udner the command of Subhas Chandra Bose in 1943 and had earned itself a reputation through military actions in north-eastern
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I have removed the "Controversial Tag". Obviously the few sentences about India's struggle for Independence do not do justice to all the important leaders of the movement, but there is also the need to keep things concise. Rueben, whether or not you succeed in your attempt to have a consensus for a
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and the associates (and there were several, less publicized events/organizations/personalities). However, these were definitely far less significant than INC. So, I do not propose to mention any particular name or organizations. But that there was a separate (and probably the only separate) kind of
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was banned in India for many years. Again the Indian freedom struggle has a total of two sentences in the compressed history section and only Gandhi is mentioned by name, Nehru isn't, Tilak isn't, Gokhale isn't, Lajpat Rai isn't, Dadabhoy Nairoji isn't, Patel isn't, Jinnah isn't, Suhrawardy isn't,
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No one is saying that the Indian freedom struggle was monolithic, but simply that in a compressed section only certain things can be mentioned and choices have to be made. Bose's contribution is simply not notable enough to merit mention. As I mention above, the 2007 Encyclopaedia Britannica, for
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Rueben, Rueben, my man, it does seem you are accusing me, and so many others, of expressing support for Fowler. But I think I'll assume good faith, and assume you are not accusing me, and in the same spirit assume you are assuming good faith too. For the record, I received no notification for RfC.
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I am glad to see Bose getting due credit. He has been downplayed, for reasons that had to do with a World War II rationale, and a hatred of certain things that he did or advocated. But he was an extraordinarily great and selfless leader, and his patriotism and his brilliance were second to none. I
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ISBN-10: 0312263821. The latter particularly, while quite unsympathetic to the INA or its founder, goes into great detail of the pollitical and ground situations and the unrests during the Quit India, the Red Fort Trial and comments at length on the Bombay mutiny and the deteriorating situation in
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lends undue weight to the naval mutiny, INA trials and Bose. if the freedom movement has another sentence or two to play around with, we have lots of options to weigh and then pick from (mention legal and political reforms prior to indep., social reforms preceding and accompanying the independence
4908:] This is a version that Fowler found, which I am sure with (quite) a bit of editing can be turned into an acceptable version. If you give a couple of days, I will try to edit this into an acceptable, readable and NPOV version that can at least try to reach a consensus and not make PoV statements.
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The existence of the INA evoked great pride in India, even among those who repudiated its fascist ties. A British move in late 1945, after the war, to try for disloyalty three of INA officers- a Hindu, a Muslim and a Sikh- provoked widespread demonstrations and secured the reputation of the INA as
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Auchinleck did not say, and probably did not believe, that the Raj had ceased to be the object of the Indian officer's loyalty simply because Bose and his renegades had come along. Colonel Wren had not supposed so either. Both believed that the shifting of alleigance was bound to happen, and would
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Auchinleck did not say, and probably did not believe, that the Raj had ceased to be the object of the Indian officer's loyalty simply because Bose and his renegades had come along. Colonel Wren had not supposed so either. Both believed that the shifting of alleigance was bound to happen, and would
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Even Bose's own grand-nephew, Sugata Bose, has this to say about the INA trials in his book listed above: "Having shrewdly assessed the public mood, the Congress made the release of the INA prisoners the main issue in their election campaigns." The INA briefly became important because the Congress
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The court's decision reverberated throughout the country and had a lasting effect. One month after the INA trials, soldiers in the Royal Indian Navy and the Air Force in Bombay and Karachi mutinied, a development that clearly signified the extent to which the INA trial had shifted loyalties in the
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I don't know that I have much expertise on this, but it seems to me that in such a short history section as we have, the version previously existing is more or less appropriate. If the discussion of the independence movement is to be expanded, it seems to me that we should use the extra space to
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that there's consensus that there's more that just the non-violence and congress to the movement that had a significant impact. In addition, that the attempt at statistization has misrepresented the views of the author I have shown above with regards to Kurke and Dortmunds book as well as another
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The British for their part realised the need for some concessions. On 1 December, it was announced that only INA members accused of murder or brutal treatment of fellow-prisoners would henceforward be brought trial (instead of the sweeping charge of "waging war against the King" used in the first
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Notice how personal the tone is. And these are just two examples of the many many pages devoted to Nehru. The Rediff.com interview was given in March 2001. I don't know what Rediff.com is, but it seems like a web site in India, and Wolpert (who was on a visit to India) was being interviewed by
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Bose when he offered them "Freedom" if they were willing to risk their "Blood" to liberate India a year earlier. The British considered Bose and his "army of traitors" no better than their Japanese sponsors, but to most of Bengal's 50 million Indians, Bose was a great national hero and potential
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exuberance they were embarrassed and did their best to disavow and discourage it. The mutineers complained that the leaders of the cause they were trying to help had betrayed them. The Congress leaders were now fearful lest anarchy supervene before they were able to grasp the reins of government.
3426:"revolutionaries/terrorists/extremists," "Bhagat Singh," "Subhas Bose," "Indian National Army/Azad Hind Fauj," "INA trials," all displayed in boldface) are given little coverage in these books. In contrast "Gandhi," "Jinnah," "Nehru," "Indian National Congress," "Muslim League," Tilak," "Patel,"
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When the British made the grave error of putting on public trial at the Red Fort three of officers of the INA- a Hindu, a Muslim and a Sikh- forwaging war against the King empeor, the ing put together the Congress put together a high powered legal team for their defence led by Bhulabhai Desai and
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The INA trials attracted much attention in India and became a rallying point for the independence movement from Autumn 1945 so much so that the release of INA prisoners and suspension of the trials came to be the dominant pollitical campaign in precedence over the campaign for Freedom. ...If any
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The British for their part realised the need for some concessions. On 1 December, it was announced that only INA members accused of murder or brutal treatment of fellow-prisoners would henceforward be brought trial (instead of the sweeping charge of "waging war against the King" used in the first
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I have tried to edit the history section to say that the political movement started in the last decades of the 19th century, that Congress came to be the strongest one of many pollitical organisations, there was non-violent and violent philosophies with considerable following of both, that Gandhi
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As for your persistent references to the "unflattering" paragraphs on Bose. I am sure that is how it is written by the author you mention. I am not quoting anything here from Fay, James, Majumder,Lebra,Hauner, Fujiwara, Kurowski, and possibly a number of other historians of authority who will not
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First of all, Encyclopaedia Britannica does not have an article on the Indian National Army. It has a short biography of Bose and there is the one paragraph in the India page (in the 19 page history section). The quotes you have compiled above are from the Britannica Student Encyclopaedia which
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Wether I can write a coherent RfC as according to Fowler&Fowler is a different issue altogether, wether Fowler is willing to respect his fellow editors and talk in a more dignified tone about people who do not agree with him is what's more irritating me. Also, he is repeatedly accusing me of
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You got to be joking. Direct Action day was called by Jinnah who seems conspicuous by his absence in both Reuben lys's version and yours. As for the sentence, "Parallel movements led by radicals such as Subhash Chandra Bose and other revolutionaries also gathered steam," why don't you write to
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specialised and economico-historical topics like "Hindu Nationalism and the Language of Politics in Late Colonial India", "Imperial Power and Popular Politics: Class, Resistance and the State in India, 1850-1950", "The Indian Princes and their States" etc have all of a sudden become "focussed"
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Millions of people engaged in civil disobedience with a commitment to Gandhi's philosophy of Ahimsa. (This in particular seems to be a PoV statement, since more radical movements with considerable public support already existed before Gandhi arrived in India, Gandhi's philosophy was one of many
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histories. I am using sources that are based either on orginal, or secondary research and are just as notable as the authors or references that you're providing, so I am certain that theres a midline that we should be able to reach where we both can collaborate. The two lines you mention can be
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We're back to the same issue again other encyclopaedias are not recording these (I haven't read this source I cannot verify these claims). I have given you references from three different sources that opposes the view given by your references. The very basis of this argument is that the article
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you are welcome to rely on evaluations rather than coverage, but then you have to compare these evaluations with those of all the other notable people/events of the time (for eg. Nehru, Muslim league & Jinnah, the social reform movement, Lal-Bal-Pal, Ambedkar, the famines, the partition of
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Gandhi (104 pages), Jinnah (19 pages), Nehru (68 pages), Mountbatten (8 pages), Indian National Congress (301 pages), Muslim League (90 pages), Hindu Mahasabha (68 pages), V. D. Savarkar (13 pages), Maulana Azad (10 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (3 pages), Patel (1 page), Subhas Bose (0 pages), INA
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The turning-point, which "caused at least a temporary detente" (Wavell to George VI,31 December, Mansergh Vol.VI pp713) came with popular explosion in Calcutta on the INA issue 21-23 November 1945, which set a pattern of periodic upheavals in that city which went on for about a decade and are
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Tension steadily mounted to find a focus in the trial of the leaders of Bose's 'National Army' and the brief naval mutiny in February 1946. In the former case the Congress leaders exploited the situation but in the latter, which seems to have been a spontaneous outbreak of youthful extremist
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Gandhi (104 pages), Jinnah (19 pages), Nehru (68 pages), Mountbatten (8 pages), Indian National Congress (301 pages), Muslim League (90 pages), Hindu Mahasabha (68 pages), V. D. Savarkar (13 pages), Maulana Azad (10 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (3 pages), Patel (1 page), Subhas Bose (0 pages), INA
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The turning-point, which "caused at least a temporary detente" (Wavell to George VI,31 December, Mansergh Vol.VI pp713) came with popular explosion in Calcutta on the INA issue 21-23 November 1945, which set a pattern of periodic upheavals in that city which went on for about a decade and are
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At least two other editors have expressed the view that the my edits do hold ground and that the section could be improved and also that the edits should be discussed instead of edit-warring. One other editor has expressed the view that Fowler's views are justified based on entries from other
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artice, which has a considerably detailed history section and includes quite details the History of modern Australia, especially of notable events from early 1900s through to 1950s I can't see why Fowler refuses to accept that this can be done for this article as well. And also, why is Fowler
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In November 1945, a British move to put the INA men on trial immediately sparked off massive demonstrations all over the country. Even more significant was the probable link between the INA experience and the wave of disaffection in the British Indian army during the winter of 1945-46, which
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In November 1945, a British move to put the INA men on trial immediately sparked off massive demonstrations all over the country. Even more significant was the probable link between the INA experience and the wave of disaffection in the British Indian army during the winter of 1945-46, which
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Besides, Bose was not my original point at all, my original point (and I am tired of saying this) were the three movements in the last five years of which surprisingly only one linked to the Congress is "finding" support while the other two are being "found" to be non-notable even if this is
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contemporaneous topics (in this case, people or events in India during the first half of the 20th century). If such a book, for example, spends many pages on Gandhi, even though he is not the principal subject, it does so because Gandhi, as a notable contemporaneous figure, infiltrates the
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contemporaneous topics or events (first half of the 20th century) can be used to confer notability. Here is a list of some recent monographs, all of which are searchable on amazon.com. Simply type "Gandhi," "Nehru," "Jinnah," "Patel," "Quit India," "Bose", "Azad," "Indian National Army"
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which seems a bit hippocritical to me. I am sure the Encyclopaedia Britannica does not say much more about Bose, but as I said, I am nit here to argue about Bose or his role. I am saying there's a lot lot lot more to Indian independence movement than your version makes out there to be. The
3071:(INC) and Gandhi, and all action to that taking place in the first half of the twentieth century. He would like the history section to state that the independence struggle began in late 19th century and to include the contributions of other people and movements, in particular that of the
2569:...it was clear to Atlee that everything depended on the spirit and reliabillity of the Indian Army:"Provided that they do their duty, armed insurrection in India would not be an insolube problem. If, however, the Indian Army was to go the other way, the picture would be very different...
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The book itself is an account of the War in south-east asia, from Malaya through Singapore and Burma to Imphal and back to Singapore, and considers Burmese,Malayasian as well as Indian nationalism. But I will draw attention to the fact that the author categorically states that there is a
6495:(without counting pages or number of lines or sitting down with a calculator) that the allied movements had considerable impacts, as well as that the INA trials are considerable importance if not expressing the opinion that it was one of the decisive events in shift of British policy.
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anything outside the Non-violent movement (Quit India being a major point, INA trials being another) that profoundly had an effect on the Independence movement and the Raj? and if they are, are they notable enough to be mentioned in this. I can see Fowler has a point with regards to
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Gandhi (214 pages), Jinnah (423 pages), Nehru (249 pages), Wavell (131 pages), Mountbatten (71 pages), "Quit India Movement" (35 pages), Maulana Azad (64 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (29 pages), Patel (47 pages), Suhrawardy (48 pages), Subhas Bose (9 pages), INA (including INA trials, 7
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and see what topics they give the most space/weightage to and reflect that here. F&f has already initiated such a survey from which it seems that INA, Bose, etc will not be at the top of the list of topic to be included; others of course, are welcome to propose other reputable
4843:'s interest are not notable enough for inclusion in any compressed (Knowledge-like) history of India. Even if we had a few more sentences (say, four or six, instead of the current two), I don't see how his topics would merit inclusion over the others that are deemed more notable.
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Gandhi (214 pages), Jinnah (423 pages), Nehru (249 pages), Wavell (131 pages), Mountbatten (71 pages), "Quit India Movement" (35 pages), Maulana Azad (64 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (29 pages), Patel (47 pages), Suhrawardy (48 pages), Subhas Bose (9 pages), INA (including INA trials, 7
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I don't subscribe to the view that it should be defeatured to allow a liberal editing or that it should be allowed to be messed up before copyediting. It's not just because it's an FA, but also because it is one of the most widely read articles (I had seen some data a few months
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There was also a split within Congress between those who believed that violence was a justifiable weapon in the fight against imperial oppression (whose most iconic figure was Subhas Chandra Bose, who went on to form the Indian National Army), and those who stressed non-violence.
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There was also a split within Congress between those who believed that violence was a justifiable weapon in the fight against imperial oppression (whose most iconic figure was Subhas Chandra Bose, who went on to form the Indian National Army), and those who stressed non-violence.
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Which part of "add your versions here" (in red) do you have trouble understanding? I never in the least meant my 'first cut' to be the end of it. Want to add Jinnah? add Jinnah. want to add Pervez Musharaff? add Musharaff. Just stop filling pages with your useless rants.
1215:'s interpretation of what is notable and deserves inclusion in the history section in the India article is skewing the facts to give the idea that the Indian independence movement started in the first half of the twentieth century, and consisted chiefly if not solely of the
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based on non-violence proved decisive." Even if it is increased to four sentences, it would make room for Swadeshi movement, Tilak, Gokhale, Muslim League, Jinnah, and the Non-cooperation movement. Still don't see how Bose, INA, or the revolutionaries will make the cut.
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Gandhi (29 pages), Jinnah (3 pages), Nehru (18 pages), Wavell (2 pages), Mountbatten (8 pages), "Quit India Movement" (6 pages), Maulana Azad (0 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (4 pages), Patel (14 pages), Suhrawardy (0 pages), Subhas Bose (5 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0
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However we should be very careful that we don't base our judgment on specialized studies of various persons and/or incidents during the independence struggle, or on popular histories that often reflect an (intentionally) idiosyncratic take on the topic (read for example,
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Gandhi (29 pages), Jinnah (3 pages), Nehru (18 pages), Wavell (2 pages), Mountbatten (8 pages), "Quit India Movement" (6 pages), Maulana Azad (0 pages), Liaqat Ali Khan (4 pages), Patel (14 pages), Suhrawardy (0 pages), Subhas Bose (5 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0
2309:...Opposition to the trial of the officers for treason became a major public and pollitical campaign, and the very opening of the first trial saw violence and series of riots in a scale later described as sensational. It also saw a campaign that defied communal barriers.
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guideline had been given a short shrift, but in light of Fowler's current efforts, I too will assume good faith was operating for the purpose of inviting comments here. Lastly, regarding your comments on the content, fair enough, if that's your opinion, then that's your
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is irritating and a general hindrance towards a collaboration. I am giving you evidence here, and miraculously your arguments have changed from your so called scholar (who can't count and half vomits history) to pretending that my arguments are not worth addressing with
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And you're further missing the point that I am not trying (nor anyone else) to rewrite the History to say it was the INA and not the Congress that won India independence, that's a totally different issue altogether. What I am saying is that the independence movement was
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After returning to India the veterans of the INA posed a difficult problem for the British government. The British feared that a public trial for treason on the part of the INA members might embolden anti-British sentiment and erupt into widespread protest and violence.
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Even if there is consensus to expand the text on the Indian independence movement on this page from two sentences to (say) four or five, I can't see how the militants, revolutionaries, and the INA are going to make the cut. The reliable sources give them short shrift.
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many failed to recall that while the INA failed on the battlefield, the rebellious army proved a formidable force in the equally important struggle between the British colonial government and the pro-independence Indian leaders for the hearts and minds of the Indian
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in an interview that matter. The fact remains that in his 2006 book, about the period 1942 to 1948, (which included Bose's years of glory that saw him became a mythic hero in Bengal,) Wolpert pretty much ignores Bose. That, for a politician, is a fate worse than
5403:("Leader") Subhas Chandra Bose's Indian National Army (INA) that had advanced to its outskirts before the monsoon began. Bose's INA consisted of about 20,000 of the British Indian soldiers captured by the Japanese in Singapore, who had volunteered to serve under
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Subhas Chandra Bose escapes from detention in Calcutta and broadasts from Berlin, calling for Indians to revolt. Indian National Congress rejects a proposal from the British, delivered by the Lord Privy Seal, Stafford Cripps, or Dominion status at the end of the
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By the end of 1945, he and the Commander-in-chief, General Auckinleck were advising that there was a real threat in 1946 of large scale anti-British Disorder amounting to even a well-organised rising aiming to expel the British by paralysing the administration
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Current version gives false impression that only non-violence movement was there in freedom struggle, which is not true. What type had major effect is secondary, but non-non-violent protest certainly deserves mention, at least as second sentence. Thanks.
7076:. You are yet to demonstrate that one of the authors has indicated that "this was equivalent in impact to the Muslim League", or "greater in impact than the Congress ministries following the GOI act of 1935" etc. Obviously, you won't. Because it wasn't.
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Now, since we're also discussing expanding the article anyway, it might be useful if people here took turns editing my sandbox to present what they think it should look like. Once(and if) someone does that, please add your version to the list above.
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the armed forces in the wake of the trials and how these were being appraised to and percieved by London and why this meant that in the case of another possible mass agitation by the Congress the army could not be relied upon. My other minor source is
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This has been discussed on this page many times before. Bose has of late been championed even by the Hindu right, in part because he is a convenient counterfoil to Gandhi. In fact, Bose was never thought of contemporaneously as being anywhere on the
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notable stuff, that were intricately linked to the Raj's decision to leave (of which INA is just one of at least three), and these were of a scale large enough and popular enough and potent enough to find mention in an encyclopaedia article on India.
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histories of India used in university courses (undergraduate and graduate) around the world. The numbers in parentheses immediately after an individual/topic name indicate the total number of pages in the book that refer to that individual/topic:
3094:(I am of course aware of the irony of crafting thousands of words in the defense of two sentences, but I feel that the principle is important; I also foresee similar disputes arising again if we don't clarify some issues.) I have some sympathy for
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monographs devoted only to Bose or the INA, but producing a citation from such a monograph (as I have already stated above) doesn't make the subject of the monograph notable for a compressed Knowledge history. However, and in contrast, if the
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The fact remains that in his 2006 book, about the period 1942 to 1948, (which included Bose's years of glory that saw him became a mythic hero in Bengal,) Wolpert pretty much ignores Bose. That, for a politician, is a fate worse than death.
5087:(pages 426-431) give brief accounts of the INA, nothing to indicate that it particularly merits a mention in a 2 (or 4) sentence summary - Bose and the INA would have to jostle for space with many other significant events of the ~100 years.
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I think I can show that the historians hold these of considerable importance, inclusing Stan Wolpert (the question that Fowler wouldn't answer). So far opposing we have been given the text of a few encyclopaedia articles which leads to the
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about Wavell). In contrast, Gandhi, Jinnah, Nehru, Patel, Mountbatten, Suhrawardy, Ambedkar, Azad, Rajagopalachari... have pages devoted to them, and the tone is not so impersonal and off-hand as it is above. Here is Wolpert on Nehru for
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The civil disobedience movement begins with a Gandhi-led march Ahmedabad to the coast to draw attention to the iniquity in 5h3 Governments excise on salt. Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Gandhi are arrested in the course of a massive Government
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that understandably emphasize their influence or role in India's gaining independence - such information may be worthy of inclusion in the person's biographical article - but will not merit a discussion here, since the issue is not simple
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Britannica get them to accept that one sentence in their 19 pages on the Indian freedom struggle. This is not a copy-editing problem. It is a problem of content, being pushed by someone (Rueben lys) who can't even write a coherent RfC.
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what is says, we will see that a lot of aspects of the non-violent nature) preceding and co-existing with the Congress led movement would be found. Particularly, I believe, the there's an issue about how the Raj ended. What does the book
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is not really a very up-to-the-mark article. So it need not be compared here. Of course that article needs improvement. That's different issue. Can you, Rueben, propose a compressed way to mention what you are trying to (INA), with good
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The British became extremely nervous about the INA spirit spreading to the Indian army, and in Janurary the Punjab Governor reported that a Loahore reception for released INA prisoners had been attended by Indian soldiers in uniform
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The British became extremely nervous about the INA spirit spreading to the Indian army, and in Janurary the Punjab Governor reported that a Loahore reception for released INA prisoners had been attended by Indian soldiers in uniform
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The pros and cons of office acceptance. Includes the policies of the Congress as well as the princes in 1936 and also describes the effect of Bose standing for re-election as Congress President at Tripuri. (I am going by what it
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Return to the constitutional arena. two pages. Includes the rise of extremeist views within the Congress, and describes Bose and Nehru as the leaders in this new trend. Gives equal coverage (give or take a sentence) to Nehru and
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While militarily insignificant, it made most impact after the war, and Indian and American scholars generally accept the view that its role in Indian independence was vital, particularly the political impact of the Delhi trials.
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The pros and cons of office acceptance. Includes the policies of the Congress as well as the princes in 1936 and also describes the effect of Bose standing for re-election as Congress President at Tripuri. (I am going by what it
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Return to the constitutional arena. two pages. Includes the rise of extremeist views within the Congress, and describes Bose and Nehru as the leaders in this new trend. Gives equal coverage (give or take a sentence) to Nehru and
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Encyclopaedia. The main EB does not have an article on the INA. Not only is this Student Encyclopaedia article a short (2 page) one written by the Britannica editorial staff, but it is also a "specialty" article, in which you
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After a pact agreed to in March by Gandhi and Lord Irwin, the British government releases all prisoners, relaxes repressive measures, and allows the manufacture of salth in coastal villages in return for suspension of civil
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I would like these concerns to be addressed since my efforts to make the history section more comprehensive is being frustrated here. I have no intention of edit warring and would like to see a collaboration to improve on the
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concise, hence I believe reproduction from these would (and has) further compress this section to give an essentially misrepresentaed point of view. I also believe (without prejudice) Fowler has at least some PoV issue with
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Bose does not deserve mention any more than many other leaders and events, and it would not be possible to mention all of them here as the importance of keeping things concise is, well, important. Rueben lys please relent.
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assumed as you would like us to have by quoting the number of pages) arguments are and who it is made by. Incidentally, you still haven't told me what Stan Wolpert says about the period between September 1945 and November
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Spear's (1978) largely political history (not particularly sympathetic of Bose - for eg., "authoritarian leanings") has this to say on the INA and the mutinies in its ~90 pages, 7 chapters on the independence movement -
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encyclopaedia also puts Bose's speeches in inverted commas, which essentially tries to prove these were actually propagandist statements. The encyclopaedia also does not have anything to say (as far as I can see) on the
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to have anyother facts to be included or even mentioned. I do not have any reason to think this user is at all interested in improving any article and is just out to prove his PoV point and confront and talk down other
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First of all, apologies for getting your name wrong (this one was first). Secondly, I was not accusing you or anyone else for that matter of expressing support for Fowler. I was expressing my disappointment that the
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In either case, can we please discuss the specifics here and arrive at a consensus for the language and references that are needed for any additional content, instead of edit-warring on an Featured article ? Thanks.
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p15 Congress's ambivalent strategy, Gandhi's noncooperation movement, Motilal Nehru, Swaraj Party (within Congress), Gandhi the social reformer, Dandi March, Subhash Bose (small paragraph), Jawaharlal Nehru (long
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p15 Congress's ambivalent strategy, Gandhi's noncooperation movement, Motilal Nehru, Swaraj Party (within Congress), Gandhi the social reformer, Dandi March, Subhash Bose (small paragraph), Jawaharlal Nehru (long
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expect to find references to the article's subject. These kinds of citations, however, confer neither the "notability" nor the "absence of undue weight" needed for inclusion in a "general" overview article like
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Gandhi's civil disobedience movement was influential, but it is disingenuous of Kurlansky to ignore the role played by Subhash Chandra Bose's Indian National Army in persuading the British to relinquish the Raj
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of any increase in prose should go to things that are already wanting to be covered than one of the sections here. That said, I'm not averse to adding a little more prose to the history section and copyediting
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my concerns to Fowler, but I have not seen any efforts to collaborate, and have had not reasons or seen efforts to believe that a constructive process is possible. Also his comments on unoing my revision was
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exactly a sinister attempt to mislead people into believing a completely wrong version of history. Let's not make the India page ugly, and keep the discussion to this Talk Page before things are final. Thanks.
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In order to determine the overall notability of an event, other encyc articles are a useful criterion. I have to agree that Bose/INA are not notable enough to be mentioned in a summary of the freedom movement.
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in a few paragraphs on the independence movement. If the section is expanded, it should expand to cover moves towards self-government, 1935 Act, the Quit India Movement and the pressures leading to partition.
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5439:"Nehru finally had awakened. The historian he so long had been gained dominance, at least temporarily, over the power politician he had of late become, seduced by the charming allures o f high office...."
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The towering figure in this latter group was Mahatma Gandhi, who introduced a seismic new idiom of opposition in the shape of non-violent non-cooperation or 'satyagraha' (meaning 'truth' or 'soul' force').
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This issue is increasingly seeming like a storm in a tea cup to me. I took a close look at it and let me try to put it in perspective. Below are results of the exercise I carried out in my sandbox.
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When I had not read the discussion on this page my opinion was confined to removing the "Contoversial Tag" from this article. Now, after reading the discussion (most of it ;), I am of the opinion that
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Surely those are not the only criterion??? Also the fact that I have provided references to notable historians which is being ignored for other references. As for wether Bose is notable or not, you've
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of Bose's movement by pointing to the fact that some 2.5 million Indian nationals had served in the British armed forces during World War II, while the INA never mustered more than 45,000 supporters.
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Easy, Fowler. I don't think I have ever seen a case made as thoroughly as yours. I think we can declare this closed, surely? Reuben, it appears the weight of (page) numbers is against you this time.
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That is not the description of a signal role in the freedom struggle. This is not just the view of Indian historians, it is the mainstream view. The Britannica article, for example, is written by
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5889:: I of course can't force you to use the collapsible box format for your notes below, but I should warn you that such long rambling notes are not read by anyone (I certainly haven't read them, and
5390:, Oxford University Press, 2006. The book covers the period 1942 to 1948. Of the 238 pages in the book, just one paragraph each is devoted to Bose and the INA trials. Here is Wolpert on Bose:
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The World Wars and the Emergence of Gandhi: (paragraphs) 8. Indians in WW I 9. Return of Gandhi from SA, pact with Jinnah, 10. Montagu-Chemlford Reforms, 11. Resistance to Rowlatt Acts, birth of
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A resolution for complete independence is passed in the Calcutta session of the Congress in December and civil disobedience is mooted if India is not given "Dominion status" within twleve months.
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or not. I dont see any of Fowler's sources saying anything. Of course, for the major part the stuff that find mention in the books that Fowler quotes . Nothing has been said on what the books
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I have given the sources I used to come to the conclusion that other movements deserve to be mentioned, most notabillity, but not only nationalist sentiments and the political fallouts of the
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A Government of India act passed in August provides for a federal government in India. It gives a large degree of Autonomy to the provinces, although veto power still resides with the Viceroy.
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that I do not wish to champion Bose and only mention this since Fowler has twice quoted this author and the fact that the author's work indicates that Bose and the INA stuff are not notable:
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available. Try the library for reputable books and journal articles, and look for the most reliable online resources. A little ground work can save a lot of time justifying a point later.
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view. Here are eight (searchable) standard histories of India that are used in university courses worldwide. As the search results (in the collapsible box below) indicate, the topics that
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Rise of Indian Nationalism: (paragraphs) 1. Aftermath of 1857, 2. Formation of Indian National Congress, Dadabhai Naoroji, 3. Reformers: Bal Gangadhar Tilak, 4. Curzon, partition of Bengal,
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Rise of Indian Nationalism: (paragraphs) 1. Aftermath of 1857, 2. Formation of Indian National Congress, Dadabhai Naoroji, 3. Reformers: Bal Gangadhar Tilak, 4. Curzon, partition of Bengal,
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Those who felt strongest on supported S. C. Bose who fled the country and raised the Indian National Army from Indian prisoners in Japanese hands. He hoped to return as an Indian dictator.
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Gandhi (43 pages), Jinnah (3 pages), Nehru (15 pages), "Quit India Movement" (16 pages), , Subhas Bose (3 pages), Indian National Congress (40 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0 pages)
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Gandhi (43 pages), Jinnah (3 pages), Nehru (15 pages), "Quit India Movement" (16 pages), , Subhas Bose (3 pages), Indian National Congress (40 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0 pages)
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You're insisting that the Britannica student Encyclopaedia reference is not admissible.So as other references,James L. Raj; Making and unmaking of British India. Abacus. 1997. p571, p598
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As you say, I have already (in my statement) compiled a list of five general histories, which too can be searched for references to "Bose," or "Gandhi," or "Militants," and the like.
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change in the description so that it includes Bose's contribution, I would request you to not put the Controversial Tag for purely aesthetic reasons and because the current version is
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Despite the brevity of its existence, the INA emerged, along with Mahatma Gandhi's peaceful resistance movement within India, as an integral part of India's struggle for liberation.
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The greatest threat of all, however, was the naval mutiny in Bombay on 18-23 February 1946 - one of the most truly heroic, if largely forgotten, episodes in our freedom struggle.
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That the Congress started the movement (It did not, political movement started long before the congress even existed. It only became a strong force after Gandhi arrived after the
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page, without looking at what I have written or edited, and the version he reverted to just reinforces my view that he has an intensely biased PoV for non-violence and Gandhi and
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The greatest threat of all, however, was the naval mutiny in Bombay on 18-23 February 1946 - one of the most truly heroic, if largely forgotten, episodes in our freedom struggle.
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p17 WWII, resignation of Congress ministries, Pakistan resolution, Vinoba Bhave and Gandhi's individual satyagraha, Bose (second and final unflattering paragraph, quoted above).
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In Tokyo, Subhash Chandra Bose forms a Provisional Government of Free India and assumes control of the Indian National Army which has been formed of disaffected POWs in Malaya.
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The movement started in the first decades of the twentieth century (It didn't and is thus factually wrong, only the first non-cooperation movement started around that time).
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nothing else is seen as "making the cut". The references I have provided are not given considered at all, which seems to me to pass into more of an article ownership issue.
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No one is saying that the Indian freedom struggle was monolithic, but simply that in a compressed section only certain things can be mentioned and choices have to be made.
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culminated in the great Bombay Naval strike on February 1946 and was quite possibly the sinlge most decisive reason behind the British decision to make a quick withdrawal
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culminated in the great Bombay Naval strike on February 1946 and was quite possibly the sinlge most decisive reason behind the British decision to make a quick withdrawal
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There is no mention of Bose, INA, Bhagat Singh, or any other militant. The only reference to extremism is indirectly to the Ghadar party in the one sentence quoted above
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Denounced as traitors by the overwhelming majority of the Indian population during the war, the members of the INA were seen in a different light as the trial unfolded...
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A British Cabinet mission arrives in India to negotiate the transfer of power but disagreements over safegaurds for Muslims and the future of Pakistan leads to stalemate.
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even before Gandhi arrived and the Congress began its Non coop movement. It was there before that. Also, Ahimsa was not the only method, certainly a widely used one, but
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The decisive shift in British policy really came about under mass pressure in Autumn and Winter of 1945-46 - the same month Pererel Moon while editing Wavell's journal (
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p1. Rise of Indian nationalism in 1880s. Two turbulent national mainstreams: INC (1885) and Muslim League 1906. Surendranath Bannerjee, Allen Octavian Hume, Annie Besant
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The decisive shift in British policy really came about under mass pressure in Autumn and Winter of 1945-46 - the same month Pererel Moon while editing Wavell's journal (
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In August, the entire Congres leadership is arrested after calling on the British to "quit India". The Quit India Movement begins with widescale rioting and sabotage.
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I do not wish to accuse anyone, but there does seem to be a number of editors here expressing support for Fowler who seem have been notified of the RfC by Fowler
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Asaf Ali in a private conversation in october was reported to have explained that his party "would lose much ground in the country" unless it took up their cause
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Asaf Ali in a private conversation in october was reported to have explained that his party "would lose much ground in the country" unless it took up their cause
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histories of India that are used as text-books all over the world. Obviously a 500 page "concise" history written by an internationally known academic historian(
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strong views, as well as that Congress itself became divided in the late 1920s on wether to keep following Gandhi's strategy or to take more radical means. Also
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Gandhi (35 pages), Nehru (13 pages), Bhagat Singh (3 pages), Indian National Congress (136 pages), Subhas Bose (0 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0 pages).
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Gandhi (35 pages), Nehru (13 pages), Bhagat Singh (3 pages), Indian National Congress (136 pages), Subhas Bose (0 pages), INA (including INA trials, 0 pages).
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Bar chart (based on eight university text-books listed in collapsible box) showing the proportional references to various people and topics in these text-books.
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a monolithic movement, the Indian National Congress was really the only turbulent mainstream of the movement from its start in 1885 until 1936 and then it was
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wether that is a POV statement or not is for other readers and editors to decide. But my earlier attempts at discussion with Fowler led him directing me to
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page (like many country pages) is the focus of potential edits that are deemed idiosyncratic by a consensus of scholarly opinion. It is my view that what
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Reuben Iys, you can't impose you idiosyncratic version of history and include sizeable text and more sizeable footnotes without discussion on the talk page
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suggests) or something else altogether. The specific answer to this is not obvious, but the method for determining the answer is quite clearly determined
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by him in the Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 38, No. 1. which addresses some of the earlier comments you made regadring Bose's own newphew etc etc.
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Pie chart based on eight university text-books (listed in collapsible box) showing the proportional reference to various people and topics in these books.
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by him in the Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 38, No. 1. which addresses some of the earlier comments you made regadring Bose's own newphew etc etc.
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histories bestow only cursory attention to some topics ("revolutionaries," Bose, "terrorists," INA, INA trials, ...) then it does become a sign of their
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That the Congress started the movement (It did not, the pollitical movement for independence had already started long before the Congress, the party was
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Disagreements over whether something is approached neutrally can usually be avoided through the practice of good and unbiased research, based upon the
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Please do not take this to mean I am a Bose fanatic etc etc, I just thought I'd mention this since Fowler mentions this author in earlier discussions.
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Marginalised within the Congress and a target for British surveillance, Bose chose to embrace Fascist powersas allies against Britain and fled India.
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movement, more leaders, notable incidents that fuelled popular opposition, the economic and demographic changes of the 20th century. see the lead in
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that there's nothing else that's anymore important, or been given a list of books and the calculation of how many times the names are mentioned,
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and public agitations at the INA trials was of stupendous importance and is definitely notable. I suspect that the encyclopaedias are based on
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the Cripps mission). There is no evidence in the reliable sources that militant organizations (INA included) made any tangible difference.
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I'd request all interested parties to let go of personal differences and arrive at a consensus towards improving this important article. --
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In the general context of this RfC now. With regards to the weight issue, I am reading up on the wikipedia policy, and this is what I read:
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His romantic saga, coupled with his defiant nationalism,has made Bose a near-mythic figre not only in his native Bengal, but accross India.
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of the Royal Indian Navy that you say you cant find (a bit surprised I am, because you seem quite well read and with access to info if you
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When reputable sources contradict one another, the core of the NPOV policy is to let competing approaches exist on the same page: work for
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India.These protests led to the British governments growing willingness to grant India independence its Independence as soon as possible.
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As F&F has mentioned, independence movement was not monolithic. That is precisely why a mention of the other stream should be there.--
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is that these were not at all notable stuff and did not have any bearing whatsoever on relinquishing the Raj" without having provided a
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Rueben lys, I think trying to resuscitate Bose in this fashion is a waste of time, yours and mine. At some point, I'll stop replying.
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used it (as I said above) somewhat cynically to do PR work for itself; how does that make INA's contribution intrinsically worthwhile?
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only the Congress and Gandhi movement was notable and had an impact. I have said what and where these arguments have been made. I have
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of other notable authors that says something totally opposite about the consensus that Fowler mentions among "academics and Scholars".
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which has links to both the version on its homepage and am sure is endorsed by the encyclopaedia. My principle and primary sources are
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The good news Wavell reported was that the RAF had just recently flown enough of its planes into Manipur's capital of Imphal to smash
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does not have signed articles by historians, but are written by the editorial staff. Please see Knowledge policy on tertiary sources
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The second question is if we should use the extra space to mention INA, Red Fort Trials, Subhash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singth etc (as
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talk about Jinnah and the Muslim League, and to better explain the background of partition, rather than to talk about Bose, et al.
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founded in 1906, and leading ultimately to the partition of British India and to the independence for both India and Pakistan. In
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Second world war, the Cripp's mission and 'Quit India' Three and a half page in total, again with the mentions of Bose at the end.
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Second world war, the Cripp's mission and 'Quit India' Three and a half page in total, again with the mentions of Bose at the end.
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is again open for PoV debate, while I have provided notable historians on India (Fay, Lebra, Majumder, Cohen, Edwards... ) whose
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Lata Mani. Contentious Traditions: the debate on Sati in colonial India, 1780-1833 (Berkeley: University California Press, 1998)
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General strikes and protests all over India. Jawaharlal Nehru and Subhash Chandra Bose emerge as Important Congress Leaders.
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point, so you accept that is notable. I have given references from other sources that say that the INA and its products, the
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I can see that the issue of notabillity has become an issue of coverage. My point was notabillity on the basis of what is
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an agreement on the representation of the depresed classes in te federal legislature, at which point Gandhi ends his fast.
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was notable enough that at least a few words needs to be included (NPOVdly) about its conception and resolution.
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role in India, as well as other criticisms of the book which might raise doubts as to how much it is a text book
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which I did not list the content but have menioned by name. The argument being put forward is that it can be
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and categorically makes statements that disagree with the implied meaning of not including the other aspects.
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Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press), or by academic publishing houses like Routledge. (See:
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and because Fowler has convinced (impressively, I will say in appreciation) that others dont get coverage.
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was a popular history book in her childhood and not some random trash from the street. He also accepts that
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I do not have any ready reference at hand. So my argument may be ignored. Still, I am putting forward those.
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of bing a PoV pusher, Saffronist, right wing, and one occasion, of not being able to write a coherent RfC.
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The article as it stands needs more breadth than depth--so few "dimensions" covered. So, a
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Bengal) to decide what to include, not decide on the basis of evaluations of people/events
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Tradition Never Dies: The Genesis and Growth of the Indian Army..by Sundar Singh Bawa.1972.
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merit a mention, but not on par with Gandhi's movement. More detailed coverage belongs in
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presented, opposed to the contention there were other notable movements and philosophies).
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than the Congress is either to the Muslim League or the one sentence to the Ghadar party!
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and Ayesha Jalal describes the effect of the Indian National Army in their book
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which seems to me to be an obstruction to constructive editing bourne out of an
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Now tell me Fowler, in the pages that you say you find mention of Bose(on the
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VACATION READING India 1700-1947: Raj, Rebellion and Ryot (History 3/4 MA)
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and not the books on wether Gungadin was Behari or Gujerati), what does it
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deserve mention, as non-non-violation movement. Some people call them
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The Last Years of British India, Cleveland, World Pub. Co.,1964, p. 93
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in 1885 and rapidly came to the forefront of the political campaign).
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enter Bengal, reaching Mowdok near Chittagong, it couldn't enter
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to be kidding me if you say he is not notable. This is what the
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Changing India: Bourgeois Revolution on the Subcontinent
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5749:) and that His army was a failed military enterprise. (
5141:. I sourced this directly from the online resources of
906:
Expand to see five recent standard Histories of India:
6656:). I am certain that we can find specialized books on
5751:
which is not the issue under consideration here either
3878:
Modern South Asia: History, Culture, Political Economy
2606:
Modern South Asia: History, Culture, Political Economy
1793:
Sharma J Encyclopaedia of India's Struggle for Freedom
946:
Modern South Asia: History, Culture, Political Economy
166:
happened was because the British were jumpy after the
6218:
historians I have provided earlier, who have written
5081:
India's Partition the Story of Imperialism in Retreat
2857:
The Indian National Congress Boycotts the commission.
1624:
I have a feeling Fowler has a PoV issue with certain
893:
PS Here are some more (searchable on Amazon) sources:
7072:
hiding the actual views in this case. The stats are
6400:
Civil-disobedience and Gandhi-Irwin pact. two pages.
6375:
Neo Hinduism and Muslim resentment (1 page in total)
5522:
FORGOTTEN ARMIES: The Fall of British Asia 1941-1945
5085:
From Plassey to Partition: A History of Modern India
4888:
The disputed portion as it was earlier - 1325 bytes
3321:
p14. Constitutional reforms, Round Table Conferences
3243:
Expand to see paragraph on Bose by Stanley Wolpert:
2769:
Civil-disobedience and Gandhi-Irwin pact. two pages.
2744:
Neo Hinduism and Muslim resentment (1 page in total)
1227:
notable events that all my resources tell me are of
810:
p14. Constitutional reforms, Round Table Conferences
6645:
reputable academic texts on (modern) Indian history
5434:did try to do right ... the right thing by India."
5237:in the Journal of Asian and African studies in the
5033:) and summary style offers a good way to do that.
3837:(3 pages, 2.1898%), Terrorists (3 pages, 2.1898%),
3164:
published either by recognized university presses (
3012:Here is the gist of the problem, as I see it. The
1933:
University Reading Lists as found from Uni websites
1588:
was undertaken with a commitment far from Ahimsa).
610:Why should "militant organizations" be mentioned?
517:making a PoV edit, taking a monolithic view on the
5972:the topic of the Indian independence movement and
4565:from the period 1890 to 1947) (8 pages, 1.2422%),
4417:from the period 1890 to 1947) (4 pages, 0.8772%),
4125:from the period 1890 to 1947) (4 pages, 1.4134%),
3980:from the period 1890 to 1947) 11 pages, 3.1161%),
3833:from the period 1890 to 1947) (2 pages, 1.4599%),
3285:p2. First Congress Meeting 1885, Dadabhai Naoroji.
2403:Book Raj: The Making and Unmaking of British India
2043:Course: V13257 : British Decolonization Since 1945
774:p2. First Congress Meeting 1885, Dadabhai Naoroji.
6165:or "days" in Paris during the French revolution.
3730:A History of India (Palgrave Essential Histories)
2206:or "days" in Paris during the French revolution.
1633:
6387:1st world war and the Home rule league one page.
4011:) and Dietmar Rothermund (Professor of History,
3692:from the period 1890 to 1947) (2 pages, 0.58%),
3560:from the period 1890 to 1947) (3 pages, 0.83%),
3233:in the 2007 Encyclopaedia Britannica, historian
2756:1st world war and the Home rule league one page.
2063:Excerpts and contents from some Rueben's sources
1976:William Dalrymple Cityof Djinns (Flamingo, 1994)
634:the British had already decided to leave India (
280:who is hardly an "Indian nationalist" and whose
6777:(2 pages), INA (including INA trials, 2 pages).
6519:The End of the War in Asia.by Louis Allen.1979.
6455:is the question. Ie, what aspects does it find
6207:'s Maharma Gandhi: The Last Phase, (Vol. IX).
5747:which is not the issue under consideration here
4709:(2 pages), INA (including INA trials, 2 pages).
4007:Kulke, Hermann (Professor of History of India,
3984:(12 pages, 3.3994%), Terrorists (0 pages, 0%),
3564:(3 pages, 0.83%), Terrorists (6 pages, 1.66%),
3450:Markovits, Claude (ed). (Director of Research,
2252:'s Maharma Gandhi: The Last Phase, (Vol. IX).
1758:Opinions of Ian Pindar in Guardian Book reviews
1080:notable people in addition to Gandhi, of which
958:Kulke, Hermann and Dietmar Rothermund. 2004.
6203:I believe you would find similar arguments in
6007:very scholars that the consensus says exactly
5332:I found which is an interview with Wolpert on
3719:Robb, Peter. (Professor of History of India,
3309:p10. Post-war years, Rowlatt Act, M. K. Gandhi
2248:I believe you would find similar arguments in
798:p10. Post-war years, Rowlatt Act, M. K. Gandhi
563:and has a highly compressed history section.
6970:border on OR. So, IMO, he, along with others
6706:Agreed. In addition, research monographs on
6499:Encyclopaedia of India's Struggle for Freedom
6269:, I cant make Fowler see that I have a point
5705:best and most reputable authoritative sources
5246:while I would ask for a larger participation.
5229:to an earlier discussion between himself and
5173:Raj: The Making and Unmaking of British India
4269:from the period 1890 to 1947) (0 pages, 0%),
4156:Spear, Percival (Reader Emeritus in History,
1808:1993, ISBN 0-472-08342-2 / ISBN 81-7167-356-2
1735:Raj: The Making and Unmaking of British India
374:, etc, but this is what it has to say on the
7037:Knowledge is not where we right great wrongs
6491:Here are ten more sources where the authors
5729:I have so far (as I have said above) used [[
5587:Nonviolence: The History of a Dangerous Idea
1171:just tell you totally a different story (of
6620:I think we have two different issues here:
6390:Gandhi and Non-cooperation. Nearly 3 pages.
5380:Expand to view reply by Fowler&fowler:
3587:Metcalf, Barbara D. (Professor of History,
2759:Gandhi and Non-cooperation. Nearly 3 pages.
1505:Gandhian movement. This needs to addressed.
1125:You have deleted the reference to Edwards'
6632:recommends), Jinnah and Muslim League (as
5137:is a good source, but is claiming this is
5083:(pages 269-270), Śekhara Bandyopādhyāẏa's
3318:p13. Prelude to independence. (short page)
1944:, Centre of South Asian Studies, as found
807:p13. Prelude to independence. (short page)
5832:Gandhian movement, was important at all.
4461:. Oxford University Press. 544 pages.
3402:Again, there is no mention of Bose, INA,
2037:Expand to see the only Book found on the
980:. Oxford University Press. 544 pages.
943:Bose, Sugata & Ayesha Jalal. 2003.
4933:to write on Knowledge. Please read the
4608:
4600:
3976:(Rueben lys's topics): Revolutionaries (
3829:(Rueben lys's topics): Revolutionaries (
3688:(Rueben lys's topics): Revolutionaries (
3556:(Rueben lys's topics): Revolutionaries (
2918:The Communist Party is declared illegal.
2806:India 1855-1950: From Empire to Republic
2299:in the Journal Pacific affairs in 1953.
1971:Geoffrey Moorhouse. Calcutta (Penguin)
6432:"what do they say, Fowler, I ask again"
5455:in the reliable sources, not the words
4893:After Reuben added his bit - 2799 bytes
2818:Communist Prty of India is established.
2051:Britain's Declining Empire. Ronald Hyam
316:You're saying in you're first line that
14:
6516:Indian Summer.Wilfrid W. Russell.1951.
5952:I am a bit surprised on a few things:
5816:the reason being cited is that it is
4302:School of Oriental and African Studies
3721:School of Oriental and African Studies
3300:p7.WW1 and its aftermath. (short page)
2262:London, Cassell, 1963 (and its review
1986:Lawrence James. The Raj (London, 1998)
1497:mentioning the alternative view point.
789:p7.WW1 and its aftermath. (short page)
44:Do not edit the contents of this page.
5553:that the INA, especially its trials,
3881:Routledge, 2nd edition. 304 pages.
2878:Communist conspiracy trial at Meerut.
2503:A Modern History of the Islamic world
1728:BBC history article by Chandrika Kaul
1223:. I edited this bit to reflect three
949:Routledge, 2nd edition. 304 pages.
559:page yet? This article is about the
6187:
6153:
6131:
6110:
6085:
6060:
6038:
5875:
5771:Only one movement and Point of View
5692:
5666:
5591:
5531:
5426:
5392:
5342:
5208:
4494:(up to 1947) (159 pages, 24.6894%),
3248:
3100:
3026:
2697:
2681:
2665:
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1823:Journal of Asian and African Studies
1647:
1592:Fowler also insists that no mention
1493:to accept as references and sources
1459:
1038:
477:
460:
445:
429:
412:
396:
349:that that was the only thing in the
325:
250:
190:
25:
6857:The Indian Princes and their States
5067:similarly, Metcalf & Metcalf's
4789:The Indian Princes and their States
4346:(up to 1947) (79 pages, 17.3246%),
4198:(up to 1947) (49 pages, 17.3759%),
4054:(up to 1947) (39 pages, 13.7809%),
3913:(up to 1947) (82 pages, 23.2295%),
3766:(up to 1947) (16 pages, 11.6788%),
3733:, Palgrave Macmillan. 368 pages.
3349:in Encyclopedia Encarta, historian
3091:) to be mentioned as well.
23:
6987:For the same reason as above, the
6544:.No reference has been given that
6513:India. by Stanley A. Wolpert.2005.
4486:(up to 1947) (35 pages, 5.4348%),
4338:(up to 1947) (32 pages, 7.0175%),
4190:(up to 1947) (23 pages, 8.1560%),
4046:(up to 1947) (21 pages, 7.4205%),
3905:(up to 1947) (20 pages, 5.6657%),
3345:Similarly, in his signed article,
1628:Indian nationalists, particularly
24:
7269:
6807:Chandavarkar, Rajnarayan. 1998.
5079:(pages 223,225), D N Panigrahi's
4739:Chandavarkar, Rajnarayan. 1998.
3758:(up to 1947) (8 pages, 5.8394%),
3633:(up to 1947) (55 pages, 16.08%),
3493:(up to 1947) (83 pages, 22.99%),
2937:decides to work the constitution.
2041:'s reaing list of for the course
1769:INDIAN SUMMER. By Wilfrid Russell
6802:(including INA trials, 0 pages).
6503:by Jagdish Saran Sharma - 1971]
5995:reference that such a consensus
5814:anything but Gandhi and Congress
5700:A vital component: good research
5560:role in the Indian independence.
5190:. I have also used (and cited)
4734:(including INA trials, 0 pages).
4641:be useful, if their focus is on
4451:(Emeritus Professor of History,
3625:(up to 1947) (22 pages, 6.43%),
3485:(up to 1947) (28 pages, 7.76%),
2368:. University of Michigan Press.
29:
5316:With regards to Stanley Wolpert
5069:Concise History of Modern India
2836:Gandhi is tried and imprisoned.
2260:The last years of British India
614:isn't mentioned. Neither are:
7258:01:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
7242:20:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
7223:20:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
7201:19:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
7174:18:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
6031:has to say on the question of
4637:Research monographs, however,
3890:Search results from the book:
3460:. Anthem Press. 607 pages.
2985:India achieves independence...
2689:fighters for India's freedom.
2434:in the Journal Pacific Affairs
2080:has to say on the question of
1407:) 13:32, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
13:
1:
7135:07:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
7081:00:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
7064:06:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
6577:10:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
6562:18:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
6482:14:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
6342:13:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
6324:13:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
6301:12:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
6210:These sit in addition to the
5948:sources relevant to the topic
5933:and arguments based on facts.
5837:and on parts of the movement
5520:reviewing Bayly and Harper's
1910:13:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
1892:13:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
1537:14:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
1084:certainly qualifies, as does
7217:and invited to make comments
6977:Indian independence movement
6773:(2 pages), Patel (21 page),
5269:Indian independence movement
5031:Indian independence movement
4705:(2 pages), Patel (21 page),
4166:Penguin Books. 298 pages.
4163:A History of India, Volume 2
2726:'s "A history of India" has
2295:Expand to see a synopsis of
934:Penguin Books. 298 pages.
931:A History of India, Volume 2
581:Indian independence movement
519:Indian independence movement
358:, on the role played by the
351:Indian independence movement
106:Bose and the history section
7:
7183:Keyenes are you saying you
7122:03:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
7055:03:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
7045:22:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
7006:07:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
6957:Following are my comments.
6922:10:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
6884:. Oxford University Press.
6699:17:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
6607:15:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
6444:The Oxford History of India
6247:20:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
5938:12:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
5858:11:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
5829:wikipedia policy on sources
5612:00:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
5568:00:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
5497:12:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
5477:00:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
5371:Reply by Fowler&fowler:
5364:23:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
5308:05:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
5296:in comment after comment.
5281:13:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
5251:13:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
5092:21:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
5062:08:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
4996:06:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
4986:05:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
4966:04:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
4949:20:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
4855:20:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
4816:. Oxford University Press.
4021:. Routledge. 448 pages.
2264:in Journal of Asian studies
1694:23:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
1681:23:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
1510:16:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
1417:14:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
1357:19:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
1310:, of Columbia University:
1292:15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
1249:12:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
1190:11:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
1015:10:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
964:. Routledge. 448 pages.
887:09:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
725:04:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
680:03:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
650:03:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
604:02:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
575:02:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
526:00:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
297:22:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
175:21:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
148:14:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
127:14:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
10:
7274:
6411:and not how many times it
5926:threatening words and tone
5505:Consensus among historians
5131:Last Days of British India
5077:Transfer of Power in India
4471:Search results from book:
4323:Search results from book:
4031:Search results from book:
3743:Search results from book:
3610:Search results from book:
3470:Search results from book:
3170:What is a reliable source?
3051:, or non-violence, led by
2780:and not how many times it
2624:to release them fortwith.
1781:The End of the War in Asia
974:Wolpert, Stanley. 2003.
215:, or non-violence, led by
179:This article is about the
6182:to look up), Sarkar says
6161:reminescent of the famou
6011:. I have mentioned these
5922:citiing spurious concerns
5139:not as good as his source
4175:Search results from book
3370:Movement for Independence
3229:In his signed article on
3152:An overview of my sources
3115:and his movement of mass
3035:struggle for independence
2297:Niradh Chaudhri's opinion
2223:to look up), Sarkar says
2202:reminescent of the famou
1489:and sources which you're
1313:Movement for Independence
928:Spear, Percival. 1990.
199:struggle for independence
6831:Gooptu, Nandini. 2001.
6782:Gould, William. 2004.
6763:Indian National Congress
6477:are by notable authors).
6271:on the basis of argument
5910:ownership of the article
5549:substantially held view
5192:article from BBC history
5143:Encyclopaedia Britannica
4763:Gooptu, Nandini. 2001.
4714:Gould, William. 2004.
4695:Indian National Congress
4512:Non-cooperation movement
4492:Indian National Congress
4364:Non-cooperation movement
4344:Indian National Congress
4216:Non-cooperation movement
4196:Indian National Congress
4072:Non-cooperation movement
4052:Indian National Congress
4013:University of Heidelberg
3931:Non-cooperation movement
3911:Indian National Congress
3784:Non-cooperation movement
3764:Indian National Congress
3651:Non-cooperation movement
3631:Indian National Congress
3511:Non-cooperation movement
3491:Indian National Congress
3182:Encyclopaedia Britannica
3109:Indian National Congress
3069:Indian National Congress
3039:Indian National Congress
2039:University of Nottingham
1764:India by Stanley Wolpert
1269:Indian National Congress
1233:Encyclopaedia Britannica
1217:Indian National Congress
203:Indian National Congress
158:, and the other was the
6029:Modern India, 1885-1947
5841:actually calculate the
5649:. Besides, the British
4926:) 13:50, 26 August 2007
4557:(Rueben lys's topics):
4478:(148 pages, 22.9814%),
4409:(Rueben lys's topics):
4300:Stein, Burton (Late of
4261:(Rueben lys's topics):
4158:University of Cambridge
4117:(Rueben lys's topics):
3871:(Professor of History,
3863:(Professor of History,
3750:(30 pages, 21.8978%),
3231:"Modern Indian History"
3176:, I have described one
3081:revolutionary movements
2401:'s opinion in his 1993
2364:'s opinion in his 1993
2078:Modern India, 1885-1947
1942:University of Edinburgh
1748:History of Modern India
1275:whose movement of mass
913:Stein, Burton. 1998.
7068:Reuben, the stats are
6727:Copland, Ian. 2002.
6625:raising length issues.
5894:comment after comment.
5843:weight and notabillity
5052:
5043:
4659:Copland, Ian. 2002.
4614:
4606:
4458:A New History of India
4342:(14 pages, 3.0702 %),
4330:(88 pages, 19.2982%),
4222:(11 pages, 3.9007 %),
4182:(58 pages, 20.5674%),
4038:(66 pages, 23.3216%),
3941:(44 pages, 12.4646%),
3901:(36 pages, 10.1983%),
3897:(53 pages, 15.0142%),
3347:"Movement for Freedom"
2987:
2981:
2976:
2970:
2968:Second World War Ends.
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2820:
2436:in Summer issue,1973.
2419:
2414:
1775:Oxford History of Asia
1157:
1144:
1135:
977:A New History of India
660:Militant organizations
360:1915 Ghadar conspiracy
168:1915 Ghadar conspiracy
6854:Ramusack, Barbara N.
6570:you've already chosen
6307:Here's the review of
6214:secondary sources by
6023:the topic, this what
5849:I have also provided
5324:sling mud at any one
5239:Springerlink database
5047:
5039:
4786:Ramusack, Barbara N.
4612:
4604:
4585:, 4 pages, 0.6211%),
4573:(11 pages, 1.7081%),
4569:(13 pages, 2.0186%),
4538:(18 pages, 2.7950%),
4534:(7 pages, 1.0870%),
4530:(18 pages, 2.7950%),
4528:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
4522:(41 pages, 6.3665%),
4518:(15 pages, 2.3292%),
4514:(18 pages, 2.7950%),
4510:(11 pages, 1.7081%),
4504:(22 pages, 3.4161%),
4500:(21 pages, 3.2609%),
4490:(17 pages, 2.6398%),
4482:(47 pages, 7.2981%),
4474:(Mainstream topics):
4437:, 5 pages, 1.0965%),
4421:(11 pages, 2.4123%),
4394:(14 pages, 3.0702%),
4390:(21 pages, 4.6053%),
4386:(7 pages, 1.5351%),
4380:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
4374:(35 pages, 7.6754%),
4370:(14 pages, 3.0702%),
4366:(18 pages, 3.9474%),
4362:(11 pages, 2.4123%),
4356:(22 pages, 4.8246%),
4352:(17 pages, 3.7281%),
4334:(30 pages, 6.5789%),
4326:(Mainstream topics):
4289:, 2 pages, 0.7092%),
4246:(14 pages, 4.9645%),
4238:(7 pages, 2.4823%),
4234:(13 pages, 4.6099%),
4232:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
4226:(18 pages, 6.3830%),
4214:(11 pages, 3.9007%),
4194:(16 pages, 5.6738%),
4186:(15 pages, 5.3191%),
4178:(Mainstream topics):
4145:, 5 pages, 1.7668%),
4129:(11 pages, 3.8869%),
4094:(3 pages, 1.0601%),
4088:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
4082:(19 pages, 6.7138%),
4074:(15 pages, 5.3004%),
4050:(12 pages, 4.2403%),
4042:(24 pages, 8.4806%),
4034:(Mainstream topics):
3953:(7 pages, 1.9830%),
3947:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
3909:(17 pages, 4.8159%),
3893:(Mainstream topics):
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3806:(2 pages, 1.4599%),
3800:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
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3776:(6 pages, 4.3796%),
3754:(8 pages, 5.8394%),
3746:(Mainstream topics):
3667:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
3613:(Mainstream topics):
3527:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
3473:(Mainstream topics):
3438:Expand to view eight
3422:would like included (
3045:with a commitment to
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1875:Here's the review of
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1139:
1130:
1100:, and later inspired
624:Gopal Krishna Gokhale
209:with a commitment to
42:of past discussions.
6972:not excluding Jinnah
5960:of pages on wierdly
5739:One secondary source
5631:Indian National Army
4550:(8 pages, 1.2422%),
4546:(7 pages, 1.0870%),
4542:(7 pages, 1.0870%),
4526:(6 pages, 0.9317%),
4425:(7 pages, 1.5351%),
4402:(3 pages, 0.6579%),
4398:(6 pages, 1.3158%),
4382:(7 pages, 1.5351%),
4378:(6 pages, 1.3158%),
4306:University of London
4277:(4 pages, 1.4184%),
4273:(8 pages, 2.8369%),
4254:(3 pages, 1.0638%),
4250:(6 pages, 2.1277%),
4242:(6 pages, 2.1277%),
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4064:(5 pages, 1.7668%),
4060:(8 pages, 2.8269%),
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3969:(6 pages, 1.6997%),
3965:(5 pages, 1.4164%),
3961:(3 pages, 0.8499%),
3957:(6 pages, 1.6997%),
3949:(7 pages, 1.9830%),
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3937:(8 pages, 2.2663%),
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6771:Maulana Azad
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6765:(90 pages),
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6749:(20 pages),
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6678:Harry Truman
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4623:narrow-focus
4622:
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4587:Bhagat Singh
4562:
4536:Sardar Patel
4524:Annie Besant
4505:
4502:Non-violence
4495:
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4439:Bhagat Singh
4414:
4388:Sardar Patel
4376:Annie Besant
4357:
4354:Non-violence
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4266:
4240:Sardar Patel
4228:Annie Besant
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4206:Non-violence
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4084:Annie Besant
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3977:
3955:Sardar Patel
3943:Annie Besant
3924:
3921:Non-violence
3914:
3877:
3869:Ayesha Jalal
3861:Bose, Sugata
3851:Bhagat Singh
3830:
3808:Sardar Patel
3796:Annie Besant
3777:
3774:Non-violence
3767:
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3710:Bhagat Singh
3689:
3675:Sardar Patel
3663:Annie Besant
3644:
3641:Non-violence
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3557:
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3523:Annie Besant
3504:
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6979:, not here.
6775:Subhas Bose
6759:Mountbatten
6634:John Kenney
6585:John Kenney
6334:Development
6283:—Preceding
6275:notabillity
6222:the topic.
6176:some mutiny
6035:(verbatim):
5974:notabillity
5968:monographs
5914:incivillity
5789:accusing me
5637:), and the
5518:Jon Latimer
5516:I found by
5436:And again:
5258:Fowler also
5178:Joyce Lebra
5073:V. P. Menon
5006:Comment by
4910:—Preceding
4864:Comment by
4707:Subhas Bose
4691:Mountbatten
4581:(including
4567:Subhas Bose
4455:). 2003.
4433:(including
4419:Subhas Bose
4285:(including
4271:Subhas Bose
4160:). 1990.
4141:(including
4127:Subhas Bose
4015:). 2004.
3992:(including
3982:Subhas Bose
3875:). 2003.
3845:(including
3835:Subhas Bose
3704:(including
3694:Subhas Bose
3595:). 2006.
3593:UC Berkeley
3572:(including
3562:Subhas Bose
3325:paragraph).
3160:sources to
3079:, and some
2602:Sugata Bose
2432:'s opinion
2217:some mutiny
2084:(verbatim):
1902:Development
1804:Peter Fay.
1718:Jon Latimer
1630:Subhas Bose
1621:deciding???
1391:—Preceding
1265:Sugata Bose
1242:Subhas Bose
1173:realpolitik
1151:p 519 says
1129:which said
1086:Subhas Bose
1066:very strong
814:paragraph).
714:this length
428:... and...
411:... and...
36:This is an
7255:Rueben lys
7250:WP:CANVASS
7233:Also, its
7220:Rueben lys
7198:Rueben lys
7115:terrorists
7078:Hornplease
7061:Hornplease
7052:Hornplease
7042:Hornplease
7013:Hornplease
6889:0195658507
6865:0521267277
6842:0521443660
6818:0521596920
6793:0521830613
6738:0521894360
6687:due weight
6630:Rueben lys
6559:Rueben lys
6479:Rueben lys
6339:Rueben lys
6330:Peter Robb
6321:Rueben lys
6289:Rueben lys
6252:On sources
6244:Rueben lys
5935:Rueben lys
5916:, lack of
5855:Rueben lys
5803:INA trials
5799:Quit India
5664:" Also,
5609:Rueben lys
5565:Rueben lys
5528:which says
5494:Rueben lys
5489:See reply
5361:Rueben lys
5278:Rueben lys
5248:Rueben lys
5100:rueben_lys
5054:(pp. 231)
5045:(pp. 215)
4916:Rueben lys
4821:0195658507
4797:0521267277
4774:0521443660
4750:0521596920
4725:0521830613
4670:0521894360
4583:INA trials
4571:Terrorists
4497:Satyagraha
4466:0195166787
4435:INA trials
4423:Terrorists
4349:Satyagraha
4319:0195654463
4308:) 1998.
4287:INA trials
4275:Terrorists
4201:Satyagraha
4171:0140138366
4143:INA trials
4131:Terrorists
4057:Satyagraha
4026:0415329205
3994:INA trials
3916:Satyagraha
3847:INA trials
3769:Satyagraha
3738:0333691296
3706:INA trials
3636:Satyagraha
3606:0521682258
3574:INA trials
3496:Satyagraha
3465:1843311526
3454:, Paris)
3429:Satyagraha
3416:mainstream
3388:Satyagraha
3172:) For my
3085:INA trials
2887:crackdown.
1907:Rueben lys
1898:Peter Robb
1889:Rueben lys
1691:Rueben lys
1678:Rueben lys
1642:to address
1552:Rueben lys
1507:Rueben lys
1414:Hornplease
1397:Rueben lys
1370:Quit India
1335:Satyagraha
1246:Rueben lys
1229:stupendous
1187:Rueben lys
1094:Quit India
985:0195166787
969:0415329205
939:0140138366
924:0195654463
523:Rueben lys
488:population
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