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Then in the History section it is a "proto-billiards game" with a "recognizable form". The difficulty in pinning down what is being talked about leads, for example, to the article stating both that ground billiards was "ancestral" to trucco and that trucco is a "form" of the game, while a hatnote tells us that ground billiards is not to be confused with trucco. The earlier part of the history section seem to be more about a specific game, while the latter part seems to based on ground billiards as a "broader classification" of games, ultimately leading to speculative Egyptian religious symbolism. It wouldn't surprise me if these issues are because sources themselves differ in what they refer to as "ground billiards", but it is confusing to the reader.
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Centrally, it was not always clear to me whether this article wanted to be about a specific game or the broad class of games played with balls and sticks. The lead refers to "ground billiards" as a "family of lawn games" (should that be "lawn and table games"?) or even a "broader classification".
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In the first sentence of the history section, it was unclear to me what "in the form described above" refers to. Is that the list of equipment in the lead section? Perhaps this paragraph got moved from its former
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No problem, Lee. I've checked the images which are great pieces of history and they're fine. I'm a bit pressed for time this week but should be back later today. All the best and keep safe.
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Second-century Ireland has also been proposed as a time and place of origin; the stick-and-ball game hurling (also called camogie, as a women's sport) dates to before 1272 BCE there
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needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it.
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In general, the history section might be easier to follow if it was put in chronological order.
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to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see
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While copy editing this page I had some questions and observations:
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and page 239 therein, which describes this as ground billiards.
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What other general articles need cue sports sections?
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