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Just a reference to the popular uncyclopedic joke - apply some humor. Seriously, in case of evacuation presence of facilities is not important, and even cargo vans were used to transport people in WW2. Evacuating a city requires more resources than just long-distance carriages. The only argument is
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You, guys should make strong accent on the fact that term isnt either proper noun nor trade mark. Its nothing more than slang shotrcut and it should stay to be it, and shouldnt be misused when referred to by other articles (Transportation section of "Elektrostal" article is an example of bad use).
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Well, there are lots of photos. But I don't know what is their legal status. I think I myself could make several photos of DC-models ER-2 (newer front design), ED-4MK, EM-2I in Moscow, and AC-models ER-9 (older front design), ED-9M in Nizhny
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I don't know why are you mentioning "Soviet Russia (c)", in "Soviet Russia (c)" facilities really were cared of. The reasons were given why elektrichkas are of extremely limited use during evacuations. Pictures were provided demonstrating the width of the seats. I believe the topic to be
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Repeat again. Elektrichkas can only circulate on specially certified segments of network because they have an enlarged body gauge 3750 mm (габарит Т). A more general gauge, with which comply sleeping cars and DMU trains, is narrower, 3400 mm (габарит
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