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cultural output, like films, music, comedians, festivals and theoretical outputs, and broader left wing movements. When people talk about the 'British Left' they are not talking about one party, but a broader collection of activists, organisations and writers with a progressive outlook. This seems fairly obvious to me, and it's a mystery as to why this hasn't been included in the article already. I think this combats both of the issues previously brought up on this page.
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LOL, who wrote this. The "lowest share of seats since 1935" whilst technically true is a well known
Centrist attack cliche. In 1987 the Conservatives won a 102 seat majority (compared with 80 seat majority in 2019). Labour's percentage share of the vote was also very slightly higher than in 2005.
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Salmond. Now that Nicola Sturgeon is in charge they have firmly aligned themselves to the left being a much more social democratic party. In the 2015 election they were
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it appears to me that an article name 'British Left' should not simply be a history of centre-left to left-wing electoral parties, but broadly encompass all aspects of the 'British Left'. Whilst the Labour Party plays a part of this, the left has history in and outside the party. This includes
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When Labour added the "New" Labour they moved quite far to the right. While you can certainly show that the Corbyn era was a big jump left, it is back to the right with rather
Conservative Sir Keir Starmer. By no definition are Labour currently a left wing party.
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Political Parties of the UK page. I created this page so there could be a more descriptive entry of parties on the left in the UK. The list is lacking in information about them such as popularity and
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Neither are 'New Labour' to be honest. They have fallen FAR from the
Socialist tree of late and I'd put them more slightly right of centre. (Run by millionaires, expenses scandals, cash for questions, corporate control, TUC corruption, etc.)
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British Left (here) and add a section on the Far Left. That would avoid the reputation and rather dubious categorisation of any marxist group post the russian revolution as 'far' left
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The Far Left one actually wrongly categorises a lot of the left under than label - it is not narrowly focused
Combining this one with it makes sense and keeping the history one separate which would mean eliminating overlap?
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