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not having to do any code. That choice was not because of the operator not wanting to take the test or the FCC, but because the rest of the world had moved on and did not require it. Before 1958 the ARRL made the rules for the whole world of amateur radio. Our problem was that we saved France in WW II - but they didn't want to be saved from the
Germans. They were actually in bed with the Germans and liked things the way they were. After the war, the resentment was so great, they started their own ITU - International Telegraphy Union and ignored what the ARRL said and did and demanded their own set of rules and governing body. The harassment caused by the old hams against the new hams is unwarranted and un necessary. If a old ham was so smart, they would have taken advantage of the new standards and upgraded to Amateur Extra and not stayed at General or Advanced. It pretty much proves that - that class of license was about as far as they were qualified to advance to.
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addition, it does not make clear that the
Advanced Class was closed to new entrants from 1951 to 1967. Further, it does not make clear that from 1951 to 1967, four classes had identical privilieges (Conditional, General, Advanced and Amateur Extra). Nor does it make clear that during this period three classes had identical written exams (Conditional, General and Technician). Finally, it does not make clear the surprising degree of emotion that the incentive licensing proposals of the mid-1960's had for many hams. I also note that the Technician license exam for many years in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s was typically given by volunteer amateur operators and for many years did not require that the applicant first obtain a Novice license. In fact, an operator could have both a Novice license and a Technician license at the same time.
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for knowledge of (through the FCC database). They are only issued as part of the licensing process, where operators are offered a name of their choosing through the vanity program. Additionally, they are used to track the licensee in a way which is intelligible and understandable to FCC controllers and other users. Finally, as you mentioned, callsigns are an important part of the amateur radio licensing culture in the US. All of these reinforce its inclusion here.
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the same time, the Class A, B, and C operator licenses were converted to the
Advanced, General, and Conditional Class operator licenses, respectively. After adoption of the 1951 License Structure Decision, the amateur service operator license classes, in ascending order of frequency privileges, were: Novice, Technician, Conditional or General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra Class.)
954:, stepping back a bit, the core of our debate seems to be the difference in opinion as to whether callsigns are part of amateur radio licensing in the US. As I understand it, your opinion is that call signs are not an important part of licensing, and therefore shouldn't be mentioned in in an article titled "licensing." Am I understanding your argument correctly? -
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yet have no representation in the article as yet - can this somehow be depicted, possibly based from a current Ham license, but with a "specimen-style" fictitious name/address/callsign/Licensee ID number and FCC "FRN" number of some sort? Then, at least, the "representation" for the article's heading would actually
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Ahumada issued an American call? If so, why do we only have his Argentine call? Or was he just granted reciprocal privileges? And I'm fairly certain non-citizens had the right to operate in their own countries all along, though this addendum suggests that
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Ryan / Rjairam, I want to thank you for your changes; you caught a bunch of stuff I missed. I tweaked your new text, since some of it was redundant with the paragraph explaining what a grandfathered license meant. I also tried to remove some of the history, since its in the sections below (now linked
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I added one and corrected another. 2x2's beginning with "AA-AL" are extra only and belong in group A. I added that. Also, 2x3's in group D cannot start with the letter "N". I believe those calls are reserved for other services and aircraft. :) I also changed a few things in the Novice section.
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Looks better than what we have now. I did do a little formatting cleanup down in the refernces section. One suggestion, if possible, when you are ready to bring the new text in, please merge it in a section at a time rather than a whole sale copy/paste of the entire article. This will help provide
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My inclination is to delete the reference to LU7BD (who was only "one of the first", not the first, and therefore not notable) and move the second line, rewritten to remove ambiguity, to a relevant and cited place in the article. But I've left off in case others have differing views. (I.e., blank it
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Technician class licensees, who, in addition to passing the Technician written examination, also had passed the 5 wpm telegraphy examination. A Technician Plus Class licensee was authorized the same privileges of a Technician Class licensees, plus the privileges
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It was brought to my attention that some citation templates make the text difficult to maintain. I agree to an extent, and would like the community to come to a consensus on what we should use for this article. I am in favor of something that is simple and consistent. What do you think we should
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While awaiting your answer, I'd like to reiterate my thoughts. I feel that the US Amateur call signs are an important part of being licensed to operate in the US and the licensing process. I feel this because callsigns are utilized to confirm that one is operating in an area they have been examined
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licensing, however I see that Ryan/Rjairam felt it was missing and worked to include that information. While I agree that the callsigns section could work as its own short article with a stub here, since the main article is only at 20k I think disintegration would be of limited benefit. Perhaps you
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Someone blew away a lot of MY other work because they remembered it wrong. Novice and Tech were introduced in the early 1950s, and
Advanced was present (but not issued) since that era, as well. Before relying on faulty memory, why not refer to actual sources? How much time did you spend reading the
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My ARRL license manual from that era stated that there were 3 classes (Novice, General and
Conditional), with an insert put in to explain (and promote) Technician, Advanced and Amateur Extra. This was a question on the exam, too. If anyone has any proof that Advanced predates Incentive Licensing,
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I think that the reason why the older hams complains about the newer hams not having to take the code test is due to the fact that they feel that the newer hams are not as knowledgeable as they were. The common misconsception is that they are ( ) extra lights - for getting a Extra class license and
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An issue with the graphic of the "historic" FCC Ham license currently shown on the article's heading comprises the age of the license certificate shown - currently, both a "Licensee ID number" and FCC "registration number", or "FRN", are ALSO printed on amateur radio licenses in the United States,
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Three of the six current amateur radio operator license classes, i.e., the Novice, Technician, and
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The morons who says that you are not a ham until you learn code has two arterial motives.. First - to perpetuate code - so when they are old, they will still have someone to code with. And to segegrate themselves from everyone else by thinking that it somehow makes them better - just because they
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The whole thing needs a good and thorough cleaning. I can see the fingerprints of the code whiners, too. :-) Going backwards, and ignoring the 2007-02-23 changes: 2000-04-15 - removal of 13 and 20 wpm Morse tests, shortening of written test regime (5 to 3); 1991-02-14 - Removal of Morse testing
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Commerce and the Federal Radio Commission. These licenses included the Amateur First Grade, the Amateur Second Grade, the Amateur Extra First Grade, and the Unlimited Radiotelephone Endorsement. In
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or family members priority, how many folks buy Group Bs? Not many, I'd wager. IOW, it's all meaningless. Devoting so much space in an otherwise good article is just so much filler. Put it in another article and let folks click through if they want the gory details of a nearly obsolete system.
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Reviewing your suggestions, relocating to the callsign article does not appear an appropriate place to discuss the US amateur callsign system (its a generic article which avoids discussions of any nation's system). Your alternative of a stand alone article that only covered the US callsign groups
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and we already have an article for that. They may mean something to an operator, like some kind of badge of honor, but they are hardly integral to the licensing process. The history of US amateur callsigns, OTOH, is interesting (did you know there used to be "1 x 4" callsigns?) and is likely
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Grandfathered licenses stated that the Novice license was for those who passed a morse code test but not the Technician test. This is actually inconsistent with what is stated later on in the article. Novice licenses are actually independent of Technician, and had a
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You're right again :^) My reversal of the copy to "not the technician" was because of sources I had found earlier stating its purpose (CW but no theory = Novice, Theory but no cw = Tech). As far as the bandwidth, I was trying to make it read better, but you are right they didn't have voice
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all, or flesh out a new paragraph about the non-citizen/reciprocal privilege issue. Non-US citizens are routinely issued American amateur radio operator licences today. That decision must have happened at a specific time and place, for specific reasons. Is this worth proper treatment?)
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So far, none of our fellow Wikipedians has authored a SPANISH Language version of this page...as nearly 40 million people in the USA speak Spanish as their "first language" as of 2016, is a Spanish version of this page going to be realized for American "radioaficionados" any time soon?
1073:. In 2007, unless you pass all three elements at one sitting and get a Group A/Amateur Extra call sign, you're going to get a Group D call. Whether you stay a Tech, or upgrade to General, you're "entitled" to a Group C call, which many folks buy right away. In fact, aside from
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All, I've attempted a significant repair and reorganization of the article in a sandbox. This article is very complex and difficult to work, mainly because there are few sources. I have focused on reorganizing and matching up the pieces that were already in the article.
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for Technician license, inadvertent creation of "Tech with HF", later Tech Plus; 1990-??-?? - Novice enhancement, addition of 10m SSB, vhf/uhf priv to Novice; 1987-03-21 - Tech test cut in half, part made into General test ("3B") (Same with Advanced/Extra?) --
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deserving of an article, but it sure doesn't belong here. The only exception would be that different license classes are issued calls from different groups, though with the new licensing regime and the exhaustion (years ago) of Group C, it's sorta moot. --
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separate written test. I fixed it and added a citation (ARRL). It was also stated that Novices were granted General class HF privileges. This is incorrect. They were only granted CW on 80, 40 and 15 meters on the CW/data General portions of those bands.
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were even marked LICENSE CLASS CONVERTED PER 97.21a3. Despite that, they retained Element 1 credit and could operate on the so-called Novice HF assignments. This all became moot last February as ALL Technicians were granted those same HF
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I have reverted to the earlier edit which explained the license classes pre-Incentive Licensing. Another user here blew it all away because of one line which was removed, which suggested that the Advanced Class existed prior to 1964.
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I'm sorry, that's wrong. The only reason someone would have "Technician Plus" is because they have a license printed at the time of that the FCC considered Technician Plus a class (about 1994 to 2000). After the 2000 rule change,
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I'll chime in here - licensing and callsigns go hand in hand. The type of callsign you get is usually associated with your license, therefore I think it is entirely appropriate that it go here.
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