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As I indicate in the references section, Bercovici is the primary source for the article. Please see my remarks above on why I am not likely to be able to re-research. If someone (probably in
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is a good read, but I suspect not well researched. I am almost certain it is wrong in its disparagement of
Goldfaden's own singing and acting: his many roles in his own rather professional company would seem to give the lie to that, and Bercovici cites several contemporaneous reviews that say
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