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assured that you of the spirituality yourselves act expressly against the tenor of them, as has been well shown to you by some of our spiritual council, wherefore we will not comply with your desires more than our progenitors in times past have done.' Shortly after this emphatic declaration, the assembly was dissolved. Fineux's statement of the law on this occasion was referred to by
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having interposed that they had sufficient authority, but without saying when or whence they derived it, Fineux continued that 'in the event of a clerk being arrested by the secular power and then committed to the spiritual court at the instance of the clergy, the spiritual court had no jurisdiction
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cited the authority of 'divers holy fathers' against the pretensions of the temporal courts to try clerical offenders; to which Fineux replied that 'the arraignment of clerks had been maintained by divers holy kings, and sundry good holy fathers of the church had been obedient and content with the
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William Fineux (d. 1557), whose granddaughter, Elizabeth, married Sir John Smythe of
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said : 'By the ordinance and sufferance of God . . . we intend to maintain the right of our crown, and of our temporal jurisdiction, as well in this point as in all other points, in as ample a manner as any of our progenitors have done before our time; and as for your decrees, we are well
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practice of the law on this point; which it was not to be presumed they would have been if they had believed or supposed that it was altogether contrary to the law of God; on the other hand they had no authority by their law to arraign any one of felony.' The
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Jane Fineux, elder daughter, who married John Roper, Prothonotary of the King's Bench, by whom she was the mother of
William Roper, the son-in-law and biographer of Sir Thomas More, and of Christopher Roper, father of
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to decide the case, but had only power to do with him according to the intention and purpose for which he had been remitted to them.' To this, the
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