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g before i (g before "e" does not exist in vietnamse language) is pronounced as in north vietnamese dialect. In central and south vietnamese dialects it is pronounces as . Please note, that all vietnamese dialects (north, central, south) are equal value and no dialect is better off than the
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I personally cannot find any english words really fitting the pronunciation with the both examples. In my opinion we should not force to find any english approximation for a word of a different language, in this case vietnamese, to english.
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The tone transcription is fairly straightforward. Is it an adequate generalization of the dialects? Is using a tilde for dipping tone acceptable as a graphic approximation, since the correct IPA diacritic is not widely supported?
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If we use , then to be consistent we should probly use . However, besides these being less accessible / familiar symbols than and , many phonologists argue that the distinctive feature is centrality rather than roundedness.
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I speak with a typical northern dialect, but in the southern dialect that sound is also not pronounced like these on the wiki either. How can I provide a proof? I am happy to provide an audio file of myself pronouncing it.
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