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1121: 376: 233: 1040:? This title has similar nuances to the Kino, or even more, given that the manga and anime directly play with the gender identity of the central character. So given that the English localization officially identifies character as a trans woman and this has already begun to cause some controversy, in the future this could lead to vandalism and a war of edits in the article. As a last resort, I would like to ask one of the experienced users to follow it. 268: 110: 159: 169: 141: 352: 342: 332: 322: 957:
and a lack of other articles to correct it. For example, the Anime Feminist episode 1 review of Onimai (a series which has had a ton of headcanon by fans about Mahiro being trans) says Mahiro doesn't use gendered pronouns (then goes on to say he uses "boku" which is masculine but sometimes used by girls) but he actually uses the much more strictly male gendered pronoun "ore" in the episode.
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to describing how the media sees the show, but with the caveat that these are secondary sources that do not always know or understand the author's intentions behind this or that element of the show. For example, how about starting by creating a topic section in the article about the show itself? Something like "Kino's Gender Identity discussion"?
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In such cases, I always remember Princess Principal, which was described on many resources as a significant queer show with “explicit” coding, but the authors subsequently stated that they had no intentions of writing romance and generally invite people to read things as they want. So I'm not opposed
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In addition, for most series, we just don't have many reliable sources. If someone from ANN suggests a character is trans for example, that might be one of the only two detailed articles in English from listed reliable sources about a series. And with that comes a lot of potential for misinformation
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on the basis that there was a fairly clear consensus among Western anime reviewers and bloggers about her genderqueerness. At the same time, as far as I remember, neither the author nor the text itself ever stated or implied that the character in any way identified herself as other than a woman (in
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This isn't ideal as usually we would be using secondary sources. Unfortunately, my opinion at least is that many anime reviewers and bloggers who'd otherwise be considered reliable, wouldn't be for this sensitive topic, if just from seeing a number of definitive statements with no backing on these
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Sure, although as far as I can see the article has not been edited regularly. If there come to be disruptive edits, it would be good to start a discussion in the article then. Personally, I haven't watch or read the series, so it would be preferable to refer to some prior discussion (or invite to
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with 22 years' worth of news articles and interviews with anime creators, will cease operations on 30 September 2024 at 15:00 JST. The website will no longer be available after that time, so I recommend an effort to archive links that use this website for references. I'm uncertain at this time if
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Last year we had a wide discussion about the sexuality of characters and, as I recall, we came to the conclusion that only either the text itself or the author can be a sufficient source for determining the sexuality of characters in non-obvious cases. Does this also extend to characters' gender
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describes her as an androgynous girl. I don’t really like this kind of confusion, so I propose to discuss this somehow and develop one general approach to Kino and in the future in potential similar cases in the future.
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If we're not looking at strictly determining it, I think it might in certain cases (such as analysis sections) be suitable to reference how various bloggers/reviewers interpret it this way or ways that it is implied.
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I just tried using the Internet Archive for it, but when I try opening an archived link it just redirects to the home page. For any references to it I'd probably suggest using Archive.today instead.
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topics. There's also often a lot of implied elements when it comes to characters sexuality or identity in certain anime, but it's often for comedic purposes and never defined.
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Another reason it's not ideal is that many authors like to leave it up to the reader's interpretation so we may never get an actual definitive statement.
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only either the text itself or the author can be a sufficient source for determining the sexuality of characters in non-obvious cases
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Might be helpful to link the previous discussion for reference if you know where to find it, but I would generally agree that
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particular, the author describes the original concept of the character as "a girl living like a boy"). In particular, an
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That's a shame, but thanks for the heads up. That way there will be time to find material that could be useful later on.
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I wonder if there's any automatic way to run Wayback Machine / update links to the archive. I'm not familiar with
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In continuation of the topic about Kino above, may I ask for temporary protection of the article
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on Chrome and it worked). Things will be take more time to read, but it's better than nothing.
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there's any effort to archive the website as a whole on a different platform. —
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In that case, can you just add the page to your watchlist just in case?
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Kino included a number of lists of transsexual and non-binary characters
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Or you can use your browser's view-source feature (I tested it on
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identities? The thing is, as I noted a few months ago,
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WP Anime and Manga contributors, for your awareness,
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