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the obscurity angle has no more real merit than the irrefutability angle. To many people in the world, Australia is a quaint land-locked country in Europe with a German-speaking population, so from the obscurity point of view, we shouldn't have an article on Australia at all. From the knowledge angle, if we're here to educate people about all manner of things Australian, do we educate them only about things that most Australians know, or about other things that most Australians don't know? Also, are the people we're here to educate just overseas people, or Australians themselves as well? For example, I'd be surprised if many Australians know about the first use of the word "Australia" (by some Dutch or French guy in the 16th century, apparently) - but there it is in the article, large as life. What makes the inclusion of this sort of information ok, but not the Royal Anthem? - neither of them is actually remotely relevant to the way we go about our daily lives, so where is the dividing line drawn, and by whom, and why? (I honestly don't know the answer to that - just putting it out there). What about the Constitution? Most Australians seem as abysmally unaware that we even
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the obscurity angle has no more real merit than the irrefutability angle. To many people in the world, Australia is a quaint land-locked country in Europe with a German-speaking population, so from the obscurity point of view, we shouldn't have an article on Australia at all. From the knowledge angle, if we're here to educate people about all manner of things Australian, do we educate them only about things that most Australians know, or about other things that most Australians don't know? Also, are the people we're here to educate just overseas people, or Australians themselves as well? For example, I'd be surprised if many Australians know about the first use of the word "Australia" (by some Dutch or French guy in the 16th century, apparently) - but there it is in the article, large as life. What makes the inclusion of this sort of information ok, but not the Royal Anthem? - neither of them is actually remotely relevant to the way we go about our daily lives, so where is the dividing line drawn, and by whom, and why? (I honestly don't know the answer to that - just putting it out there). What about the Constitution? Most Australians seem as abysmally unaware that we even
11356:(4) There is an issue of practicality and pactically there are only so many images that can be put into an article before it becomes so picture heavy that it becaomes a gallery rather than an encyclopaedic article and loses its value. In an article of this size with so many images that could potentially be included it's very important to minimise the number of images that aren't directly relevant to the article. I've explained why the Sydney, Barossa Valley and Perth images are directly relevant in the previous paragarph. The Melbourne image shares the same problem as the Uluru image. It doesn't really add anything to the article and it isn't really relevant. That it is Australia's second largest city really isn't enough to justify inclusion on it's own. There are lots of places that have a single outstanding point. 6252:(4) There is an issue of practicality and pactically there are only so many images that can be put into an article before it becomes so picture heavy that it becaomes a gallery rather than an encyclopaedic article and loses its value. In an article of this size with so many images that could potentially be included it's very important to minimise the number of images that aren't directly relevant to the article. I've explained why the Sydney, Barossa Valley and Perth images are directly relevant in the previous paragarph. The Melbourne image shares the same problem as the Uluru image. It doesn't really add anything to the article and it isn't really relevant. That it is Australia's second largest city really isn't enough to justify inclusion on it's own. There are lots of places that have a single outstanding point. 7008:
fight elections as part of an established combination - is one of the major groups "the Liberals" or "the Coalition"? On the one hand you're right that the Nationals poll a significantly lower level of support (though it's dodgey to make absolute statements about "zero support" in areas where they don't stand at all for the House and run on a joint ticket for the Senate since this is untested), but on the other hand the Nationals are regularly part of the government at the Commonwealth level (as often as the Liberals have been) and arguably carry far more weight in politics that raw numbers suggest. For example can it be proved or disproved that either of the individual Coalition parties get first preference votes from voters who'd prefer the other party but don't have it on their ballot paper?
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fight elections as part of an established combination - is one of the major groups "the Liberals" or "the Coalition"? On the one hand you're right that the Nationals poll a significantly lower level of support (though it's dodgey to make absolute statements about "zero support" in areas where they don't stand at all for the House and run on a joint ticket for the Senate since this is untested), but on the other hand the Nationals are regularly part of the government at the Commonwealth level (as often as the Liberals have been) and arguably carry far more weight in politics that raw numbers suggest. For example can it be proved or disproved that either of the individual Coalition parties get first preference votes from voters who'd prefer the other party but don't have it on their ballot paper?
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thinking that this is because they have "major party" levels of support Australia wide. They have zero support in urban areas. They manage to score seats in regional areas because they have the unique characteristic among Australian political parties of having their power very centralised in particular areas of the country (farming country). If they had the same level of support they enjoy now, but it were spread more evenly (regional AND urban Australia) across the country they would have no HOR seats or very few (say like the greens). In summary they are a major party if you want to look at how many seats they have in the HOR but they are NOT a major party if you want to look at the overall level of support they have with the general population of Australia.
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thinking that this is because they have "major party" levels of support Australia wide. They have zero support in urban areas. They manage to score seats in regional areas because they have the unique characteristic among Australian political parties of having their power very centralised in particular areas of the country (farming country). If they had the same level of support they enjoy now, but it were spread more evenly (regional AND urban Australia) across the country they would have no HOR seats or very few (say like the greens). In summary they are a major party if you want to look at how many seats they have in the HOR but they are NOT a major party if you want to look at the overall level of support they have with the general population of Australia.
11498:(2) Your question regarding Melbourne was pretty much answered in my previous response. The Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House are well known internationally. People who look at a photo of them know immediately that they're looking at Sydney, Australia, just as anyone who sees the Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty or the World Trade Center know they're looking at New York, USA or somebody who sees the Great Pyramid or Sphinx knows they're looking at the Giza Plateau in Egypt. Melbourne has no internationally recognised buildings. Uluru is a different issue. Yes, it's Australian but it's just a picture of Uluru and, while Australian, isn't really relevant to the article as I explained in my previous response. 6394:(2) Your question regarding Melbourne was pretty much answered in my previous response. The Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House are well known internationally. People who look at a photo of them know immediately that they're looking at Sydney, Australia, just as anyone who sees the Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty or the World Trade Center know they're looking at New York, USA or somebody who sees the Great Pyramid or Sphinx knows they're looking at the Giza Plateau in Egypt. Melbourne has no internationally recognised buildings. Uluru is a different issue. Yes, it's Australian but it's just a picture of Uluru and, while Australian, isn't really relevant to the article as I explained in my previous response. 10682:
confusion here about many matters of punctuation. But as I say, I don't expect that to carry weight: I only want to set aside all such assertions founded on what we learned (or failed to learn) in primary school. You claim that Australian newspapers have a policy of not using the serial comma as a default; but you give no authoritative source for this. Even if you could give such sources, that would show little that is relevant here. Knowledge is not a newspaper, but has more in common with academic publication. As such, guides like the Oxford Style Manual (cited earlier) are much more relevant. A great number of Australian academic journals use that Oxford style; a great number of others use
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confusion here about many matters of punctuation. But as I say, I don't expect that to carry weight: I only want to set aside all such assertions founded on what we learned (or failed to learn) in primary school. You claim that Australian newspapers have a policy of not using the serial comma as a default; but you give no authoritative source for this. Even if you could give such sources, that would show little that is relevant here. Knowledge is not a newspaper, but has more in common with academic publication. As such, guides like the Oxford Style Manual (cited earlier) are much more relevant. A great number of Australian academic journals use that Oxford style; a great number of others use
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IHO as the authority over ocean body names/extents (extent as in their decision that the S. Ocean is from 60 S to Antarctica, not 35S (Australia's S. shores.) What's do you suggest for "primary sources?" I've not seen you produce any contradictory sources or recognized authorities which, until you or other do so, in other words, there are primary sources that actually disagree, makes any "third party oversight" pointless, yes? Scott (below) has a measured approach....yours, SatuSuro, seems a bit irrational. As a cartographer and geographer, I'm sorry that their "belligerance" about using internationally recognized standards and authorities, a good thing for WP, was upsetting to you.
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IHO as the authority over ocean body names/extents (extent as in their decision that the S. Ocean is from 60 S to Antarctica, not 35S (Australia's S. shores.) What's do you suggest for "primary sources?" I've not seen you produce any contradictory sources or recognized authorities which, until you or other do so, in other words, there are primary sources that actually disagree, makes any "third party oversight" pointless, yes? Scott (below) has a measured approach....yours, SatuSuro, seems a bit irrational. As a cartographer and geographer, I'm sorry that their "belligerance" about using internationally recognized standards and authorities, a good thing for WP, was upsetting to you.
11482:(1)"Whenever images are included in Knowledge, it makes a big difference if they look good" is not written in stone. A really great looking image can be less informative than a poorer quality image and therefore the poorer quality image can be the better image. There needs to be a balance. The caption of the image in question is "Most Australians live in urban areas. Sydney is the most populous city in the country." The comment about angle is not personal, it's fact. You can quite clearly see the difference between the two images. One, the original image, gives a much better view of the extent of the urban sprawl and the size of Sydney than yours. 6378:(1)"Whenever images are included in Knowledge, it makes a big difference if they look good" is not written in stone. A really great looking image can be less informative than a poorer quality image and therefore the poorer quality image can be the better image. There needs to be a balance. The caption of the image in question is "Most Australians live in urban areas. Sydney is the most populous city in the country." The comment about angle is not personal, it's fact. You can quite clearly see the difference between the two images. One, the original image, gives a much better view of the extent of the urban sprawl and the size of Sydney than yours. 1527: 842: 8977:
including every single fact. Editing is a matter of choosing which facts are most important/relevant. I think you know this - the national colours of green and gold are just as official as the royal anthem, but you are not arguing to include them in the infobox. You are also not arguing that the Queen's relevant royal standards be included, in this infobox or the UK one, even though it is a fact that they exist, and they help to demonstrate that the countries are monarchies. It is a matter of giving everything due weight. As Ryan points out, to include too much can even be misleading.
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including every single fact. Editing is a matter of choosing which facts are most important/relevant. I think you know this - the national colours of green and gold are just as official as the royal anthem, but you are not arguing to include them in the infobox. You are also not arguing that the Queen's relevant royal standards be included, in this infobox or the UK one, even though it is a fact that they exist, and they help to demonstrate that the countries are monarchies. It is a matter of giving everything due weight. As Ryan points out, to include too much can even be misleading.
323:"By implication, the 50,000-60,000year-old TL and optical dates from unheated sediments at Malakunanja II (Roberts et al. 1990) and Nauwalabila I (Roberts et al. 1994b) do not equate with 14C dates of less than 40,000 years b.p., as has been suggested (Allen 1994). The implication of the Malakunanja II and Nauwalabila I luminescence dates, coupled with the results presented here, is that Australian prehistory is considerably older than 39,700 +/- 1000 years b.p., which is currently the oldest reliable radiocarbon evidence for human presence on the continent (O'Connor 1995)." 1720: 1035: 1583: 898: 11398:. The comment about “higher” and “lower” angle of the image is quite personal rather than rational (e.g. lower angle is informative but higher angle is not informative). It is impractical and most unlikely that a better quality image can be 100% at the same lens angle to shot the same object. There is no such a reality that one measurement can fit all sizes. If the logic was followed that when an old image was replaced by a better quality image in a Knowledge article, that better quality image must be exactly at the same caption or angles, etc., thus even a 6294:. The comment about “higher” and “lower” angle of the image is quite personal rather than rational (e.g. lower angle is informative but higher angle is not informative). It is impractical and most unlikely that a better quality image can be 100% at the same lens angle to shot the same object. There is no such a reality that one measurement can fit all sizes. If the logic was followed that when an old image was replaced by a better quality image in a Knowledge article, that better quality image must be exactly at the same caption or angles, etc., thus even a 9772:, too. Canada says "parliamentary democracy (federal consitutional monarchy)" which is clearly setting it apart from e.g. New Zealand, which is not a federation. Whether or not "federal consitutional monarchy" is a relevant term in any country, it is quite clear that it is appropriate to make this distinction - we are trying to describe the government structure, which in New Zealand is quite clearly different from Australia and Canada in one aspect, even if it is similar in others. Please don't reduce everything to a consistency argument. 4668:, too. Canada says "parliamentary democracy (federal consitutional monarchy)" which is clearly setting it apart from e.g. New Zealand, which is not a federation. Whether or not "federal consitutional monarchy" is a relevant term in any country, it is quite clear that it is appropriate to make this distinction - we are trying to describe the government structure, which in New Zealand is quite clearly different from Australia and Canada in one aspect, even if it is similar in others. Please don't reduce everything to a consistency argument. 7101:
Great Australian Bight article. So, certainly not for Australian use, but for a worldwide English encylopedia, it's "Indian Ocean", not "Southern Ocean." The IHO very clearly ruled (after a vote of member nations) that the "Southern Ocean" stops at 60 degrees south, and north of that its the Indian Ocean. Not debatable, unless you want to try to overturn the worldwide and WP-wide acceptance of the IHO as the authority on these matters. (Water bodies that Australia does not share with other nations are a different matter, of course.)
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Great Australian Bight article. So, certainly not for Australian use, but for a worldwide English encylopedia, it's "Indian Ocean", not "Southern Ocean." The IHO very clearly ruled (after a vote of member nations) that the "Southern Ocean" stops at 60 degrees south, and north of that its the Indian Ocean. Not debatable, unless you want to try to overturn the worldwide and WP-wide acceptance of the IHO as the authority on these matters. (Water bodies that Australia does not share with other nations are a different matter, of course.)
11534: 6430: 8694:, nothing is official until the Crown says so, and the Crown will "officialize" the whole shebang upon Rudd's swearing-in. Personally I prefer "-designate" for accuracy, even though in Canada, our media too (probably more influenced by the US) uses "-elect". But I can live with either: just don't say Mr. Rudd (or Mr. Harper, almost two years ago) is prime minister just because the TV stations are saying it, or the incumbent has conceded (the incumbent doesn't have the power to actually hand over the job to anyone). 3590:, nothing is official until the Crown says so, and the Crown will "officialize" the whole shebang upon Rudd's swearing-in. Personally I prefer "-designate" for accuracy, even though in Canada, our media too (probably more influenced by the US) uses "-elect". But I can live with either: just don't say Mr. Rudd (or Mr. Harper, almost two years ago) is prime minister just because the TV stations are saying it, or the incumbent has conceded (the incumbent doesn't have the power to actually hand over the job to anyone). 11937:
parliament. Using your logic, "This act shall come into operation on the day it receives Royal Assent" is also a legal technicality because you can't just pick one part of the Act and claim that it is a legal technicality while claiming that another part isn't. Royal Assent gives the whole document authority so section 3 has just as much authority as section 2. Yes, Royal Assent was given on 9 October 1942 but that same Royal Assent made the document effective as of 3 September 1939 and that's a significant point. --
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parliament. Using your logic, "This act shall come into operation on the day it receives Royal Assent" is also a legal technicality because you can't just pick one part of the Act and claim that it is a legal technicality while claiming that another part isn't. Royal Assent gives the whole document authority so section 3 has just as much authority as section 2. Yes, Royal Assent was given on 9 October 1942 but that same Royal Assent made the document effective as of 3 September 1939 and that's a significant point. --
11543: 6439: 1403: 718: 1765: 1080: 7212:(UK, #1 world atlas), CIA World Fact Book, US Board on Geographic Names, etc., etc., and nearly all non-Australian atlases and maps strictly show the Southern Ocean as below 60 degrees lat. All sources go on and on about it being defined as an ocean due to its hydro characteristics....a cold, polar current circling Antarctica. So 35 degrees south is particularly far "off the charts" in the world's view....that's the same lat. as the Mediterranean! (for a "polar" ocean!??) 2108:(UK, #1 world atlas), CIA World Fact Book, US Board on Geographic Names, etc., etc., and nearly all non-Australian atlases and maps strictly show the Southern Ocean as below 60 degrees lat. All sources go on and on about it being defined as an ocean due to its hydro characteristics....a cold, polar current circling Antarctica. So 35 degrees south is particularly far "off the charts" in the world's view....that's the same lat. as the Mediterranean! (for a "polar" ocean!??) 9539:
established the British and Australian crowns as separate legal entities, even if held by the same person. But what that has to do with "federal monarchy", I'm not sure. Australia is a federation and a monarchy, so I guess "federal monarchy" is an accurate description as far as it goes, but hardly helpful in describing the relationship of the monarch to the political system. BTW Woolcott appears not to have an article, he is certainly notable enough to have one. --
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established the British and Australian crowns as separate legal entities, even if held by the same person. But what that has to do with "federal monarchy", I'm not sure. Australia is a federation and a monarchy, so I guess "federal monarchy" is an accurate description as far as it goes, but hardly helpful in describing the relationship of the monarch to the political system. BTW Woolcott appears not to have an article, he is certainly notable enough to have one. --
11416:(2) The primary purpose and goal of Knowledge is to provide free education and knowledge exchange. The point 3 & 4 in the last responded discussion seems a bit of contradict and ambiguous. For example, the comments said, images such as Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House, Perth, and Barossa Valley are immediately recognizable as Australian. Thus this comment implied that image of Melbourne would not be immediately recognizable as Australian (why?), and 6312:(2) The primary purpose and goal of Knowledge is to provide free education and knowledge exchange. The point 3 & 4 in the last responded discussion seems a bit of contradict and ambiguous. For example, the comments said, images such as Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House, Perth, and Barossa Valley are immediately recognizable as Australian. Thus this comment implied that image of Melbourne would not be immediately recognizable as Australian (why?), and 9027:
I reckon (as a citizen and a scientist with a republican ((note the lower case)) view) is that it's a fact and it remains. Where do we put that bit of information? I don't reckon we should leave it out like we do if there's a regular style to these types of data. We, as a category have a reference that aught, politics aside, be put in. What I really reckon is that we need a reference to how this big land was taken from the original owners and straight out
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I reckon (as a citizen and a scientist with a republican ((note the lower case)) view) is that it's a fact and it remains. Where do we put that bit of information? I don't reckon we should leave it out like we do if there's a regular style to these types of data. We, as a category have a reference that aught, politics aside, be put in. What I really reckon is that we need a reference to how this big land was taken from the original owners and straight out
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Perhaps some few instances might need serial commas. Perhaps YOU could discuss before reverting what was quite a bit of work and did not leave the article in an inconsistent state (so you really had no reason). The parliamentary/govt standards are an Australian reference, Oxford is NOT an Australian reference and there are plenty of other British examples (pretty much all except for Oxford it must be, funny that since it is called "The Oxford Comma").
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Perhaps some few instances might need serial commas. Perhaps YOU could discuss before reverting what was quite a bit of work and did not leave the article in an inconsistent state (so you really had no reason). The parliamentary/govt standards are an Australian reference, Oxford is NOT an Australian reference and there are plenty of other British examples (pretty much all except for Oxford it must be, funny that since it is called "The Oxford Comma").
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strong enough, it will win out on its merits. If the writer feels the need to say words to the effect of "If you don't see it my way, you're an idiot", that suggests they don't actually have the confidence that their own argument is persuasive enough all by itself. If it isn't persuasive, so be it. Abuse won't change that. It reflects far more badly on the writer than on the supposed idiocy of the reader. That's my philosophy. --
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strong enough, it will win out on its merits. If the writer feels the need to say words to the effect of "If you don't see it my way, you're an idiot", that suggests they don't actually have the confidence that their own argument is persuasive enough all by itself. If it isn't persuasive, so be it. Abuse won't change that. It reflects far more badly on the writer than on the supposed idiocy of the reader. That's my philosophy. --
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Nationals, and the disparity between Green and National HOR representation is an artifact of voter distribution, not overall support. And even then, the gap between the two majors and everyone else is considerably greater than the gap between the Greens and Nationals and everyone else. Perhaps it would be fair to note that there are two 'major' parties, several minor parties with representation in Parliament, and everyone else. --
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Nationals, and the disparity between Green and National HOR representation is an artifact of voter distribution, not overall support. And even then, the gap between the two majors and everyone else is considerably greater than the gap between the Greens and Nationals and everyone else. Perhaps it would be fair to note that there are two 'major' parties, several minor parties with representation in Parliament, and everyone else. --
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make them equivalent. I think it says a bit about who we are. Even if some Australians would prefer that we didn't have a Queen at all (and I'm one of them) the fact remains that the Queen is held in high regard by many, and we have a Royal Anthem. Maybe this will change in future, but it is the situation now, and when it comes to writing an encyclopaedia I prefer to tell it like it is, not how we editors feel it should be. --
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make them equivalent. I think it says a bit about who we are. Even if some Australians would prefer that we didn't have a Queen at all (and I'm one of them) the fact remains that the Queen is held in high regard by many, and we have a Royal Anthem. Maybe this will change in future, but it is the situation now, and when it comes to writing an encyclopaedia I prefer to tell it like it is, not how we editors feel it should be. --
1576: 891: 71: 11877:. History documents when things actually happened - the backdate is a legal technicality. When your cite (11) says the law was "adopted" from 1939 it means they will apply it from 1939 if anything is discovered in that past time that relates to the law, but when it says it comes into "operation" in 1942 it means that they can only start applying the law from then because laws can't travel through time. 6773:. History documents when things actually happened - the backdate is a legal technicality. When your cite (11) says the law was "adopted" from 1939 it means they will apply it from 1939 if anything is discovered in that past time that relates to the law, but when it says it comes into "operation" in 1942 it means that they can only start applying the law from then because laws can't travel through time. 1739: 1054: 7580:
is not an especially horrific photo. The photo may indeed be about hatred, but not Australian hatred. As for Japanese sensibilities, unfortunately very few of them are familier with the policies and actions of their government and armed forces during WWII. Their education system ignores this period of their history. I have no problems with them becoming more aware of their history. --
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is not an especially horrific photo. The photo may indeed be about hatred, but not Australian hatred. As for Japanese sensibilities, unfortunately very few of them are familier with the policies and actions of their government and armed forces during WWII. Their education system ignores this period of their history. I have no problems with them becoming more aware of their history. --
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royal anthem only after someone has checked that it is either officially or in practice actually the royal anthem, not just assumed that it must be so, but I suspect in some cases it might be incorrect. That leaves us simply with a fact about an Australian official royal anthem, and the question of whether it is important enough to include in an already over-large infobox.
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royal anthem only after someone has checked that it is either officially or in practice actually the royal anthem, not just assumed that it must be so, but I suspect in some cases it might be incorrect. That leaves us simply with a fact about an Australian official royal anthem, and the question of whether it is important enough to include in an already over-large infobox.
11296:(3)An Uluru pic is irrelevant to that section and needs to be removed. Uluru is not even mentioned in the article. Again, the criteria for pics is to be informative and relevant first. "Prettiness" is optional once the main criteria are met. As for Melbourne pic, we don't need to create a pic for every city, or every point in the article. It's an article, not a gallery. 6192:(3)An Uluru pic is irrelevant to that section and needs to be removed. Uluru is not even mentioned in the article. Again, the criteria for pics is to be informative and relevant first. "Prettiness" is optional once the main criteria are met. As for Melbourne pic, we don't need to create a pic for every city, or every point in the article. It's an article, not a gallery. 8072: 2968: 9109:
Banner and God Save the Queen - but to those people, there may as well be only 3 national anthems in the entire world because, to them, there are only 3 of any prominence. We of course know that's not the case. The Australian Royal Anthem - now that's a different story altogether. (Btw, best not to characterise those who hold opposing views as "idiots".) --
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Banner and God Save the Queen - but to those people, there may as well be only 3 national anthems in the entire world because, to them, there are only 3 of any prominence. We of course know that's not the case. The Australian Royal Anthem - now that's a different story altogether. (Btw, best not to characterise those who hold opposing views as "idiots".) --
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Board on Geographic Names - there is indeed sufficient evidence internally in wikipedia that both of these sources carry errors for locations outside their original jurisdiction as to make them questionable sources - and I for one would never uses them if it got to a debate over errors ot otherwise for placenames on a place like Indonesia for a start.
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Board on Geographic Names - there is indeed sufficient evidence internally in wikipedia that both of these sources carry errors for locations outside their original jurisdiction as to make them questionable sources - and I for one would never uses them if it got to a debate over errors ot otherwise for placenames on a place like Indonesia for a start.
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is a fairly obscure symbol, and mentioning it beside the National Anthem in the info box is not appropriate. After all there are many irrefutable facts about Australia, they cannot all be mentioned in the infobox. The question is if people can't be bothered reading the previous debate, why should the rest of us have to rehash it all over again? --
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is a fairly obscure symbol, and mentioning it beside the National Anthem in the info box is not appropriate. After all there are many irrefutable facts about Australia, they cannot all be mentioned in the infobox. The question is if people can't be bothered reading the previous debate, why should the rest of us have to rehash it all over again? --
11448:(3) If images that were added into a Knowledge article were not well-composed and generally well-executed, or not relevant and informative, then the article would lose value or became picture heavy. But simply using the words such as “look like a gallery” or “lose value” cannot be substantiated. The article of 6344:(3) If images that were added into a Knowledge article were not well-composed and generally well-executed, or not relevant and informative, then the article would lose value or became picture heavy. But simply using the words such as “look like a gallery” or “lose value” cannot be substantiated. The article of 10017:
fact current democratic presidential hopeful, Hilary Clinton came out to Australia during the presidency of her husband to actually look at the Australian system of public health care in an effort to improve the deplorable state of american health care. Her recommendations were rejected by the US Congress.
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fact current democratic presidential hopeful, Hilary Clinton came out to Australia during the presidency of her husband to actually look at the Australian system of public health care in an effort to improve the deplorable state of american health care. Her recommendations were rejected by the US Congress.
11714:"Obesity epidemic"? Hmm, firstly that term sounds like something out of tabloid magazine. Secondly, I don't know that this is overly important - perhaps it is if you could explain further. As for editors trying to hide it so as not to damage some reputation, i know that is not true. could you elaborate? -- 6610:"Obesity epidemic"? Hmm, firstly that term sounds like something out of tabloid magazine. Secondly, I don't know that this is overly important - perhaps it is if you could explain further. As for editors trying to hide it so as not to damage some reputation, i know that is not true. could you elaborate? -- 11601:
did not have so many images when they were nominated as featured articles - it is very misleading to use them as justification for having many images), and that it is very bad form to quote from another article to prove a point. In any case, your argument that it makes a big difference if images look
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is the largest ‘Solar Power Tower’ system in the southern hemisphere and so on. This doesn't justify them for inclusion. Nor would being the second most northern capital, the second biggest shipwreck or the second largest solar array. Images used in this article need to highlight something already in
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which was created "with grouping enabled to connect all non-contiguous parts of a country's territory for easy colouring." The image has nothing to do with showing what countries Australia recognises. I'm afraid you're mistaken there. It is just based on an already existing general purpose image that
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If the sole purpose of the map is to show where Australia is, why are the other states divided and separated in lines? I think that the map shows more than Australia. It shows what Australia recognizes around it, the world it is part of. Kosovo wouldn't be seen in the regular map, but it would in the
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What the stat says is that 26% of Australians identify themselves as Catholic, 19% as Anglicans and all up 64% identify themselves as Christians. This leaves 19% as Christians who are neither Catholic or Anglican. It seems clear to me. The figures come from the ABS and they tend to express figures as
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Again FWIW, when I was taught English at primary school in the 1960s I was taught the usage as explained by Marco79. Kids are still taught that way (I work at a primary school) so I believe that there is a consistent style. The serial comma is generally to be avoided but there are occasions where its
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it is obvious that there are problems with the term. But as a loose descriptive term, why not? Aus is a monarchy and a federation. But it has no constitutional status. 'Federal Comnmonwealth' has been used in context of the Constitution. But 'constitutional monarchy' is fine. Why get so riled up over
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What ever we think of the term "federal constitutional monarchy", I think there is good reason to have the word federal somewhere in that line of the infobox. We are speaking of the structure of Australia's government, not simply the relationship with the queen. I would guess that the article Michael
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is an interesting and influential figure, he is a former diplomat and not a constitutional lawyer, and certainly shouldn't be taken as a reliable source, especially in an op-ed piece arguing a partisan point of view. While he would have been correct in 1901, subsequent changes in the relationship has
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From my reading of Federal monarchy (FM), it seems that the set of FMs overlaps the set of CMs. There are some countries that are FMs but not CMs; there are some countries that are CMs but not FMs; and there are some that are both. Australia is in the latter category. It's a CM because of what JPD
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I have to laugh at those who think that all facts are of equal weight, just because they appear in an infobox. Is the population the same as the Prime Minister? Of course not. The National Anthem itself is fairly obscure, but there it is. Australia has a Royal Anthem as well as a National Anthem, but
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It is a pity that Menswear didn't read the previous debate, because he will find that the debate is not about whether the Royal Anthem exists, because it clearly does, nor about whether it should be mentioned, because it is. Rather the debate is where it should be mentioned. The consensus was that it
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to read Ninian's proclamation of it as our Royal Anthem. He was our Governor General and had the full title The Right Honourable Sir Ninian Stephen Governor-General of Australia, KG, AK, GCMG, GCVO, KBE, QC. All of those letters made it official. That was directed at the preceding fun exchange. Hwhat
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means that every fact should be included in the infobox. Yes, the anthem is official. Most of us actually agree that this should be mentioned, and it is in the footnote. But being official is not a reason to put something in an infobox. It is quite possible to maintain a neutral point of view without
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Claims that this article should follow similar articles. There are at least two problems with this - firstly, uniformity in general is not the way Knowledge works, and uniformity is definitely not a good thing when the situation is not the same in all the different cases. (See more discussion on this
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First off, it is an international source, and in theory the governing body of such things. Knowledge's practice is to use international standards where available. (I can understand your concern, but it happens all across the encyclopedia. Pluto is described as a dwarf planet, respecting the authority
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did not have so many images when they were nominated as featured articles - it is very misleading to use them as justification for having many images), and that it is very bad form to quote from another article to prove a point. In any case, your argument that it makes a big difference if images look
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is the largest ‘Solar Power Tower’ system in the southern hemisphere and so on. This doesn't justify them for inclusion. Nor would being the second most northern capital, the second biggest shipwreck or the second largest solar array. Images used in this article need to highlight something already in
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which was created "with grouping enabled to connect all non-contiguous parts of a country's territory for easy colouring." The image has nothing to do with showing what countries Australia recognises. I'm afraid you're mistaken there. It is just based on an already existing general purpose image that
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If the sole purpose of the map is to show where Australia is, why are the other states divided and separated in lines? I think that the map shows more than Australia. It shows what Australia recognizes around it, the world it is part of. Kosovo wouldn't be seen in the regular map, but it would in the
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What the stat says is that 26% of Australians identify themselves as Catholic, 19% as Anglicans and all up 64% identify themselves as Christians. This leaves 19% as Christians who are neither Catholic or Anglican. It seems clear to me. The figures come from the ABS and they tend to express figures as
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Again FWIW, when I was taught English at primary school in the 1960s I was taught the usage as explained by Marco79. Kids are still taught that way (I work at a primary school) so I believe that there is a consistent style. The serial comma is generally to be avoided but there are occasions where its
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it is obvious that there are problems with the term. But as a loose descriptive term, why not? Aus is a monarchy and a federation. But it has no constitutional status. 'Federal Comnmonwealth' has been used in context of the Constitution. But 'constitutional monarchy' is fine. Why get so riled up over
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What ever we think of the term "federal constitutional monarchy", I think there is good reason to have the word federal somewhere in that line of the infobox. We are speaking of the structure of Australia's government, not simply the relationship with the queen. I would guess that the article Michael
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is an interesting and influential figure, he is a former diplomat and not a constitutional lawyer, and certainly shouldn't be taken as a reliable source, especially in an op-ed piece arguing a partisan point of view. While he would have been correct in 1901, subsequent changes in the relationship has
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From my reading of Federal monarchy (FM), it seems that the set of FMs overlaps the set of CMs. There are some countries that are FMs but not CMs; there are some countries that are CMs but not FMs; and there are some that are both. Australia is in the latter category. It's a CM because of what JPD
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I have to laugh at those who think that all facts are of equal weight, just because they appear in an infobox. Is the population the same as the Prime Minister? Of course not. The National Anthem itself is fairly obscure, but there it is. Australia has a Royal Anthem as well as a National Anthem, but
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It is a pity that Menswear didn't read the previous debate, because he will find that the debate is not about whether the Royal Anthem exists, because it clearly does, nor about whether it should be mentioned, because it is. Rather the debate is where it should be mentioned. The consensus was that it
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to read Ninian's proclamation of it as our Royal Anthem. He was our Governor General and had the full title The Right Honourable Sir Ninian Stephen Governor-General of Australia, KG, AK, GCMG, GCVO, KBE, QC. All of those letters made it official. That was directed at the preceding fun exchange. Hwhat
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means that every fact should be included in the infobox. Yes, the anthem is official. Most of us actually agree that this should be mentioned, and it is in the footnote. But being official is not a reason to put something in an infobox. It is quite possible to maintain a neutral point of view without
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Claims that this article should follow similar articles. There are at least two problems with this - firstly, uniformity in general is not the way Knowledge works, and uniformity is definitely not a good thing when the situation is not the same in all the different cases. (See more discussion on this
2367:
First off, it is an international source, and in theory the governing body of such things. Knowledge's practice is to use international standards where available. (I can understand your concern, but it happens all across the encyclopedia. Pluto is described as a dwarf planet, respecting the authority
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In the absence of something to the contrary I'd say that following the parliamentary guide is the way to go since that is used when writing all of the laws of the land. In any case I'll try to find out if there is an authoritative teacher's text when I'm working at the school tomorrow. Hopefully the
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enjoins us not to supplant an existing style: in such a case "it is inappropriate for an editor to change an article from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so". There is no reason to do so here, and good reason to maintain the established style, which assists the reader
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I've done that editing, now. Some changes were to other commas, not serial commas. They especially brought infelicity, and momentary uncertainty for the reader; but so did some of the serial commas. Even if we didn't want consistency with the serial comma, it is well to take note of those cases that
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AGPS prefers unspaced em dash. You and I do not; but the article was established that way, and there is no reason apart from personal preference for moving away from that. I gritted my teeth, some weeks ago, and brought consistency to those dashes. Let's suppress the opinion that we happen to share,
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I have to agree. Knowledge needs to realise that articles on Australia should be written to deal with Australian conditions. American standards in some quarters have been adopted. In others they have been roundly rejected. The system of public health in Australia is one that works generally well. In
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I've no objection to Australia being described as a federation, parliamentary democracy, and constitutional monarchy. Together they accurately describe the Australian political system and are terms commonly used in political dialogue. IMHO Federal Monarchy is a term in search of a meaning, and using
9242:
I didn't feel personally targetted. I just abhor the use of such language in any context. It's understandable coming from children, but not from adults. It's against Knowledge rules, for one thing. But more importantly, it undermines the writer's arguments. If the argument - whatever it is - is
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You of course can be bold and remove it yourself. But I must say I disagree with you on almost every point. This is an iconic picture, and summarises the Japanese treatment of POW's, for Australians one of the most significant aspects of WWII. Knowledge is not censured for children, in any case this
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Nope. The IHO made its decision in the year 2000! You're using a 1992 edition. The 2007 12th edition (covered quite a bit upon its release a couple weeks ago in the media) starts out with both Plate 1 and Plate 2, world maps, with "Southern Ocean" clearly placed to ":squeeze in" between Antarctica
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Let's see....you characterize the world's most respected atlas, the U.S. most respected geographic authority, Websters, US Board on Geographic Names, and the CIA FactBook as "secondary sources" and "dubious sources." While ignoring the fact that the world community (and WP community) recognizes the
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invoked in the previous message is totally unconvincing - I am more concerned that if there is an issue of international maritime law - or conventions - then just because a particular publication carries some information - or perpetuates an error - it does not an ocean make. CIA World Fact Book, US
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Well is there a clearcut definition of "major party" that actually solves this one way or the other? (Preferably one that isn't a battleground of partisans trying to draw the definition in such a way to include or exclude their own preferred party.) Especially when it comes to parties that regularly
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In the absence of something to the contrary I'd say that following the parliamentary guide is the way to go since that is used when writing all of the laws of the land. In any case I'll try to find out if there is an authoritative teacher's text when I'm working at the school tomorrow. Hopefully the
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enjoins us not to supplant an existing style: in such a case "it is inappropriate for an editor to change an article from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so". There is no reason to do so here, and good reason to maintain the established style, which assists the reader
5297:
I've done that editing, now. Some changes were to other commas, not serial commas. They especially brought infelicity, and momentary uncertainty for the reader; but so did some of the serial commas. Even if we didn't want consistency with the serial comma, it is well to take note of those cases that
5078:
AGPS prefers unspaced em dash. You and I do not; but the article was established that way, and there is no reason apart from personal preference for moving away from that. I gritted my teeth, some weeks ago, and brought consistency to those dashes. Let's suppress the opinion that we happen to share,
4912:
I have to agree. Knowledge needs to realise that articles on Australia should be written to deal with Australian conditions. American standards in some quarters have been adopted. In others they have been roundly rejected. The system of public health in Australia is one that works generally well. In
4702:
I've no objection to Australia being described as a federation, parliamentary democracy, and constitutional monarchy. Together they accurately describe the Australian political system and are terms commonly used in political dialogue. IMHO Federal Monarchy is a term in search of a meaning, and using
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I didn't feel personally targetted. I just abhor the use of such language in any context. It's understandable coming from children, but not from adults. It's against Knowledge rules, for one thing. But more importantly, it undermines the writer's arguments. If the argument - whatever it is - is
2475:
You of course can be bold and remove it yourself. But I must say I disagree with you on almost every point. This is an iconic picture, and summarises the Japanese treatment of POW's, for Australians one of the most significant aspects of WWII. Knowledge is not censured for children, in any case this
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Nope. The IHO made its decision in the year 2000! You're using a 1992 edition. The 2007 12th edition (covered quite a bit upon its release a couple weeks ago in the media) starts out with both Plate 1 and Plate 2, world maps, with "Southern Ocean" clearly placed to ":squeeze in" between Antarctica
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Let's see....you characterize the world's most respected atlas, the U.S. most respected geographic authority, Websters, US Board on Geographic Names, and the CIA FactBook as "secondary sources" and "dubious sources." While ignoring the fact that the world community (and WP community) recognizes the
2146:
invoked in the previous message is totally unconvincing - I am more concerned that if there is an issue of international maritime law - or conventions - then just because a particular publication carries some information - or perpetuates an error - it does not an ocean make. CIA World Fact Book, US
1903:
Well is there a clearcut definition of "major party" that actually solves this one way or the other? (Preferably one that isn't a battleground of partisans trying to draw the definition in such a way to include or exclude their own preferred party.) Especially when it comes to parties that regularly
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No, because the current form is "gaol". Early Modern just means that it dates from a certain time. It's still the preferred spelling in Australia although "jail" is becoming more common, probably because we watch way too much American TV. Gaol is also a derivative of the original word while jail is
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you'll see that it states, quite clearly, "Kosovo is also represented on the map, but without a border. If desired to be used, will have to be selected by searching for its id tag ("kosovo")." So there you go. Kosovo is already on the map and, according to the history, has been there since at least
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The map is used to show Australia's location on the world map, not to indicate which countries Australia recognises as independent. Although the map will be updated eventually, I don't think it will be a high priority since the borders of Kosovo are not relevant to finding Australia on the map, --
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Check the major newspapers in Australia and I think you'll find they avoid superfluous commas unless absolutely necessary to reduce ambiguity. I would almost lay money you will never find a government publication that uses commas in the serial fashion. University style guides also reflect this from
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has improved to become a pretty good dictionary. Many Australian organisations and agencies prefer the spelling "program" over "programme" — which is considered by some as an archaic spelling like "gramme", "connexion", etc. — and the Macquarie reflects this preference, as a dictionary is supposed
9710:. Quote: "Australia’s formal name is the Commonwealth of Australia. Australia is a constitutional democracy based on a federal division of powers within which there are four divisions: Commonwealth, state, territory and local. The form of government used in Australia is a Constitutional Monarchy." 9193:
I'm sorry if you felt yourself targeted by my comment. Certainly not my intention. I'm just pointing out that pretending that all facts mentioned in the template are of equal status is a ridiculous argument. Listing the Royal Anthem as well as the National Anthem, each one clearly labelled, doesn't
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If you have an argument that is more than "it is true" and "others have it", then it might be worth considering again (although it is worth checking whether it has already been discussed to death in the previous discussions). In any case, it would be best to leave behind your assumptions concerning
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As for the details of this case, "Royal Anthem is offically on equal status as the Australian Anthem." is fairly meaningless - they have the same status in the sense that they are both officially, but they are officially different things with different uses. The status of "official national anthem"
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on the Australia Government website states, "Mr Howard will remain the caretaker Prime Minister until the new Ministry is sworn in." As such, a parenthetical "caretaker" after Howard's name would make sense, as would the below suggestion of adding Mr. Rudd as Prime Minister-designate in the infobox
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as the article on Australia is being rewritten to suit to US sources and ignoring the local sources. When referring to naming in Australian Territories in article an about Australia then the naming should be that as defined by Australian sources. Difference in naming/boundaries should be within the
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Addressing accuracy, the Times Atlas clearly identifies the North Pacific Ocean, South Pacific Ocean, North Atlantic Ocean and South Atlantic Ocean as four distinct oceans, not just two, on maps such as Plate 8 (World Political, which does not contain the Southern Ocean, nor name the water south of
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My bad, and apologies - I forgot to look at a map! (There have been a lot of edits in other articles to remove the "Southern Ocean"; in my haste, I presumed that this was the same thing.) I've made a minor edit to the text, and combined the two references into one. Again, sorry! (Darn Canadians...)
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I don't think we are likely to find any dictionary definition of the term "major party". Therefore I think we should resolve the dispute by removing the term "major party" which is a wishy-washy term with as many definitions as there are political parties. We should be specific. We should state the
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No, because the current form is "gaol". Early Modern just means that it dates from a certain time. It's still the preferred spelling in Australia although "jail" is becoming more common, probably because we watch way too much American TV. Gaol is also a derivative of the original word while jail is
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you'll see that it states, quite clearly, "Kosovo is also represented on the map, but without a border. If desired to be used, will have to be selected by searching for its id tag ("kosovo")." So there you go. Kosovo is already on the map and, according to the history, has been there since at least
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The map is used to show Australia's location on the world map, not to indicate which countries Australia recognises as independent. Although the map will be updated eventually, I don't think it will be a high priority since the borders of Kosovo are not relevant to finding Australia on the map, --
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Check the major newspapers in Australia and I think you'll find they avoid superfluous commas unless absolutely necessary to reduce ambiguity. I would almost lay money you will never find a government publication that uses commas in the serial fashion. University style guides also reflect this from
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has improved to become a pretty good dictionary. Many Australian organisations and agencies prefer the spelling "program" over "programme" — which is considered by some as an archaic spelling like "gramme", "connexion", etc. — and the Macquarie reflects this preference, as a dictionary is supposed
4606:. Quote: "Australia’s formal name is the Commonwealth of Australia. Australia is a constitutional democracy based on a federal division of powers within which there are four divisions: Commonwealth, state, territory and local. The form of government used in Australia is a Constitutional Monarchy." 4089:
I'm sorry if you felt yourself targeted by my comment. Certainly not my intention. I'm just pointing out that pretending that all facts mentioned in the template are of equal status is a ridiculous argument. Listing the Royal Anthem as well as the National Anthem, each one clearly labelled, doesn't
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If you have an argument that is more than "it is true" and "others have it", then it might be worth considering again (although it is worth checking whether it has already been discussed to death in the previous discussions). In any case, it would be best to leave behind your assumptions concerning
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As for the details of this case, "Royal Anthem is offically on equal status as the Australian Anthem." is fairly meaningless - they have the same status in the sense that they are both officially, but they are officially different things with different uses. The status of "official national anthem"
3366:
on the Australia Government website states, "Mr Howard will remain the caretaker Prime Minister until the new Ministry is sworn in." As such, a parenthetical "caretaker" after Howard's name would make sense, as would the below suggestion of adding Mr. Rudd as Prime Minister-designate in the infobox
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as the article on Australia is being rewritten to suit to US sources and ignoring the local sources. When referring to naming in Australian Territories in article an about Australia then the naming should be that as defined by Australian sources. Difference in naming/boundaries should be within the
2234:
Addressing accuracy, the Times Atlas clearly identifies the North Pacific Ocean, South Pacific Ocean, North Atlantic Ocean and South Atlantic Ocean as four distinct oceans, not just two, on maps such as Plate 8 (World Political, which does not contain the Southern Ocean, nor name the water south of
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My bad, and apologies - I forgot to look at a map! (There have been a lot of edits in other articles to remove the "Southern Ocean"; in my haste, I presumed that this was the same thing.) I've made a minor edit to the text, and combined the two references into one. Again, sorry! (Darn Canadians...)
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I don't think we are likely to find any dictionary definition of the term "major party". Therefore I think we should resolve the dispute by removing the term "major party" which is a wishy-washy term with as many definitions as there are political parties. We should be specific. We should state the
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The Independence section of the infobox detail actual independence dates, not legal technicalities. Australia did not have the power to legislate itself completely freely before 1942, the backdated adoption date is a legal technicality, as shown by your own cite (11). It says "This act shall come
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It doesn't matter because Kosovo is not relevant to finding Australia on a world map. I'm not sure how many times we have to say this. Other countries have borders because they had borders when the original map was created. Kosovo didn't. The borders weren't blanked out because it's a lot of extra
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I am against that change, NathanLee. For one thing, mere anecdote counts for nothing. Yes, I was educated in Australia, and I have been an Australian educator – including teaching in this very area. In my experience, not only is there is no consensus on the serial comma in Australia, there is deep
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As I said, I'm on the fence about the Royal Anthem. I'm just trying to understand the arguments pro and con. I happen to know a fair bit about it, and I can understand that to some people it is very important. I can also understand that to the general populace, it is less than nothing. I think
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I'm on the fence about this issue, so maybe my opinion doesn't carry any weight. I would just say, though, that just because a fact is irrefutable (as this one is) does not necessarily of itself mean that it's worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Irrefutability does not equal encyclopediality
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Where does it say that one article must follow others? It doesn't. And again I point out that trying to cast aspersions as to editors' political motivations is a sign of bad faith and makes productive collaboration difficult. Notice how no-one has pointed out that you might have your own political
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and is ironic considering what arguments have been desperately spun to ensure it's not included in the info box. There has yet to be even a reasonable excuse why this article on Australia should be the only article on Knowledge about a Commonwealth realm not to include the Royal Anthem in its info
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While it is true the settlement of Australia was an enterprise of the United Kingdom government, there have always been noticeable minorities of non-British settlers, dating even from the convicts of the First Fleet. You also run against the problem of the Irish, clearly a very substantial part of
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Yeah I guess Dialagranny has a point. I was going to argue the same point as Mickpower but thinking about it now... I dunno. I guess any party that is able to crack a few seats in the HOR probably deserves to be regarded as a serious (read: major) player in politics. But lets not get confused into
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The Independence section of the infobox detail actual independence dates, not legal technicalities. Australia did not have the power to legislate itself completely freely before 1942, the backdated adoption date is a legal technicality, as shown by your own cite (11). It says "This act shall come
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It doesn't matter because Kosovo is not relevant to finding Australia on a world map. I'm not sure how many times we have to say this. Other countries have borders because they had borders when the original map was created. Kosovo didn't. The borders weren't blanked out because it's a lot of extra
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I am against that change, NathanLee. For one thing, mere anecdote counts for nothing. Yes, I was educated in Australia, and I have been an Australian educator – including teaching in this very area. In my experience, not only is there is no consensus on the serial comma in Australia, there is deep
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As I said, I'm on the fence about the Royal Anthem. I'm just trying to understand the arguments pro and con. I happen to know a fair bit about it, and I can understand that to some people it is very important. I can also understand that to the general populace, it is less than nothing. I think
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I'm on the fence about this issue, so maybe my opinion doesn't carry any weight. I would just say, though, that just because a fact is irrefutable (as this one is) does not necessarily of itself mean that it's worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Irrefutability does not equal encyclopediality
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Where does it say that one article must follow others? It doesn't. And again I point out that trying to cast aspersions as to editors' political motivations is a sign of bad faith and makes productive collaboration difficult. Notice how no-one has pointed out that you might have your own political
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and is ironic considering what arguments have been desperately spun to ensure it's not included in the info box. There has yet to be even a reasonable excuse why this article on Australia should be the only article on Knowledge about a Commonwealth realm not to include the Royal Anthem in its info
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While it is true the settlement of Australia was an enterprise of the United Kingdom government, there have always been noticeable minorities of non-British settlers, dating even from the convicts of the First Fleet. You also run against the problem of the Irish, clearly a very substantial part of
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Yeah I guess Dialagranny has a point. I was going to argue the same point as Mickpower but thinking about it now... I dunno. I guess any party that is able to crack a few seats in the HOR probably deserves to be regarded as a serious (read: major) player in politics. But lets not get confused into
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I checked the template instructions and I didn't see anything about actual independence dates vs legal technicalities not that it really matters because it's irrelevant. Requiring Royal Assent itself is a legal technicality since the Governor-General normally gives assent to any Act passed by the
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brings to the article. The picture of Sydney demonstrates the urban sprawl and with the Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House included it is immediately recognisable as Australian. The Barossa Valley is internationally known so it too is recognisable as being Australian. The image of it is fairly
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Of course it's in the map. But is it divided from Serbia?! You clearly have no clue of the matter, maybe you should look up more into that before discussing this. I do not care what the map was spawned about. A map serves to show the WORLD and its STATES. Kosovo is a new state, FULLY and FORMALLY
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impossible to see Kosovo on the map even if you did do the changes, assuming you know how to edit svg files, which I don't. Since the whole point of the map is to show the location of Australia in the world, which it does now, and people looking at the map won't be looking for Kosovo, I can't see
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a constitution, much less have ever read it, as they are unaware or care about the Royal Anthem. But the former is considered to be nevertheless important enough for it to rate a mention because it is actually relevant to law, government, politics etc - while the latter is not. And the National
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I certainly wouldn't agree that the National Anthem is obscure. It's become iconic, if anything; it gets played at footy matches, cricket matches, and all sorts of places these days. It might be obscure to people whose only knowledge of any national anthems is the Marsellaise, the Star-Spangled
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Factually incorrect claims. You implied that GSTQ should be in the infobox here and elsewhere simply because these countries are Commonwealth realms. However, having a royal anthem does not automatically follow from being a Commonwealth realm. When someone went around adding the anthem to all the
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contain GSTQ as the royal anthem simply because they are realms. New Zealand includes it as a national anthem, because that is its status in that country. The royal anthem in Canada is officially usd in more situations than it is in Australia. I hope that GSTQ has been added to other boxes as the
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True, Rudd didn't become PM on election night just because some elements of the media started calling him that straightaway. However, it's a longstanding feature of Australian politics that losing incumbents concede defeat, with Howard being the latest of a long line of such people. Again, that
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I've taken the liberty of adding Kevin Rudd to the infobox in the manner I've described here: he's listed on a second line, under Howard, with the parenthetical "(designate)" following his name. Don't feel obliged to keep it if it causes another set of problems, but as I've noted it is a practice
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Most Australians describe the body of water south of the continent as the Southern Ocean, rather than the Indian Ocean as officially defined by the International Hydrographic Organization (IHO). In 2000, a vote of IHO member nations defined the term "Southern Ocean" as applying only to the waters
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Nope again. The CIA World Fact Book, despite that gliche on their 2005 map that you found, clearly labels "Indian Ocean" due south of Australia on its 2007 map of "Oceania", its main map covering the region in question. And its world maps have consistently for years squeezed in "Southern Ocean"
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By the way, I agree with that observation of yours that the IHO dramatically overextends the extent (east and west limits) of the Great Australian Bight, and agree with what I think is your position that the IHO should not be considered to have authority over anything with regard to how a country
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For good or bad (bad if you're a fan of Australian maps and terminology), they have decided that Australia is a continent sitting in the Indian Ocean, with the Pacific along its eastern side. They publish this with carefully delineated borders for these water bodies (see that mentioned in the WP
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I checked the template instructions and I didn't see anything about actual independence dates vs legal technicalities not that it really matters because it's irrelevant. Requiring Royal Assent itself is a legal technicality since the Governor-General normally gives assent to any Act passed by the
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brings to the article. The picture of Sydney demonstrates the urban sprawl and with the Sydney Harbour Bridge and Opera House included it is immediately recognisable as Australian. The Barossa Valley is internationally known so it too is recognisable as being Australian. The image of it is fairly
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Of course it's in the map. But is it divided from Serbia?! You clearly have no clue of the matter, maybe you should look up more into that before discussing this. I do not care what the map was spawned about. A map serves to show the WORLD and its STATES. Kosovo is a new state, FULLY and FORMALLY
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impossible to see Kosovo on the map even if you did do the changes, assuming you know how to edit svg files, which I don't. Since the whole point of the map is to show the location of Australia in the world, which it does now, and people looking at the map won't be looking for Kosovo, I can't see
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a constitution, much less have ever read it, as they are unaware or care about the Royal Anthem. But the former is considered to be nevertheless important enough for it to rate a mention because it is actually relevant to law, government, politics etc - while the latter is not. And the National
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I certainly wouldn't agree that the National Anthem is obscure. It's become iconic, if anything; it gets played at footy matches, cricket matches, and all sorts of places these days. It might be obscure to people whose only knowledge of any national anthems is the Marsellaise, the Star-Spangled
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Factually incorrect claims. You implied that GSTQ should be in the infobox here and elsewhere simply because these countries are Commonwealth realms. However, having a royal anthem does not automatically follow from being a Commonwealth realm. When someone went around adding the anthem to all the
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contain GSTQ as the royal anthem simply because they are realms. New Zealand includes it as a national anthem, because that is its status in that country. The royal anthem in Canada is officially usd in more situations than it is in Australia. I hope that GSTQ has been added to other boxes as the
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True, Rudd didn't become PM on election night just because some elements of the media started calling him that straightaway. However, it's a longstanding feature of Australian politics that losing incumbents concede defeat, with Howard being the latest of a long line of such people. Again, that
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I've taken the liberty of adding Kevin Rudd to the infobox in the manner I've described here: he's listed on a second line, under Howard, with the parenthetical "(designate)" following his name. Don't feel obliged to keep it if it causes another set of problems, but as I've noted it is a practice
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Most Australians describe the body of water south of the continent as the Southern Ocean, rather than the Indian Ocean as officially defined by the International Hydrographic Organization (IHO). In 2000, a vote of IHO member nations defined the term "Southern Ocean" as applying only to the waters
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Nope again. The CIA World Fact Book, despite that gliche on their 2005 map that you found, clearly labels "Indian Ocean" due south of Australia on its 2007 map of "Oceania", its main map covering the region in question. And its world maps have consistently for years squeezed in "Southern Ocean"
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By the way, I agree with that observation of yours that the IHO dramatically overextends the extent (east and west limits) of the Great Australian Bight, and agree with what I think is your position that the IHO should not be considered to have authority over anything with regard to how a country
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For good or bad (bad if you're a fan of Australian maps and terminology), they have decided that Australia is a continent sitting in the Indian Ocean, with the Pacific along its eastern side. They publish this with carefully delineated borders for these water bodies (see that mentioned in the WP
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in that they have broken with fact and are promoting a political point of view by making it appear to readers that Australia has no Royal Anthem. It's clear there are a few editors who intently keep an eye on this article to remove as much references as they can get away with to anything outside
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This is how world geographers (and the IHO) avoid having several names for various sides of various oceans. Having done the South Coast Track in Tasmania and looking southwest off the cliffs (an amazing place; huge old growth trees, remote beaches) and saying something to a local about the big
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in that they have broken with fact and are promoting a political point of view by making it appear to readers that Australia has no Royal Anthem. It's clear there are a few editors who intently keep an eye on this article to remove as much references as they can get away with to anything outside
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This is how world geographers (and the IHO) avoid having several names for various sides of various oceans. Having done the South Coast Track in Tasmania and looking southwest off the cliffs (an amazing place; huge old growth trees, remote beaches) and saying something to a local about the big
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I really don't want to get into whether or not specific images are needed or not but if you do intend adding images please make sure they don't break up the article by introducing large amounts of whitespace. Whitespace may not be evident at whatever resolution you're using so you need to check
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is generally recommended for Wikimedia purposes) and go edit all the world maps to turn on the border for Kosovo. As Chuq says, it's simply not a high priority for most people since the map is all about finding Australia with respect to the rest of the world, and on the thumbnail in the article
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Who says that Hansard Style Guide is the relevant authority, Axman? AGPS style guide is used for actual governmental publications, and it is the dominant general publishing style guide beyond governmental work, too. (For those who like to use a distinctively Australian guide, that is. I don't!)
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attacks, which are never helpful. (I can't speak for everyone who has removed the extra line, but I have no reason to have any opinion at all about the Swedish monarchy, and still think that the royal anthem does not belong in the Swedish infobox either - perhaps you just haven't understood our
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There was a huge amount of discussion on the page that Merbabu refers to. "Other articles have it so we must" is a terrible argument to make on Knowledge, in this context or any other, and it has nothing to do with republicanism or anything else. "It is official so it must go in the infobox" is
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Nobody elects the Prime Minister directly in the same sense that the US President is elected, so it's probably not accurate to call the winner of a general election the Prime Minister elect (or Premier elect). I can't think of a good phrasing, actually. Delegate, designate, apparent - all sound
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Naaaaaah. If we are gunna add stuff like that lets add everything the United Nations have ever said about Australia. And if we do that, I am pretty sure it won't all be complimentary. Let's not open up that can of worms. Australia is a great place to live, but let's not brag about it to people.
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I really don't want to get into whether or not specific images are needed or not but if you do intend adding images please make sure they don't break up the article by introducing large amounts of whitespace. Whitespace may not be evident at whatever resolution you're using so you need to check
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is generally recommended for Wikimedia purposes) and go edit all the world maps to turn on the border for Kosovo. As Chuq says, it's simply not a high priority for most people since the map is all about finding Australia with respect to the rest of the world, and on the thumbnail in the article
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Who says that Hansard Style Guide is the relevant authority, Axman? AGPS style guide is used for actual governmental publications, and it is the dominant general publishing style guide beyond governmental work, too. (For those who like to use a distinctively Australian guide, that is. I don't!)
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attacks, which are never helpful. (I can't speak for everyone who has removed the extra line, but I have no reason to have any opinion at all about the Swedish monarchy, and still think that the royal anthem does not belong in the Swedish infobox either - perhaps you just haven't understood our
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There was a huge amount of discussion on the page that Merbabu refers to. "Other articles have it so we must" is a terrible argument to make on Knowledge, in this context or any other, and it has nothing to do with republicanism or anything else. "It is official so it must go in the infobox" is
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Nobody elects the Prime Minister directly in the same sense that the US President is elected, so it's probably not accurate to call the winner of a general election the Prime Minister elect (or Premier elect). I can't think of a good phrasing, actually. Delegate, designate, apparent - all sound
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Naaaaaah. If we are gunna add stuff like that lets add everything the United Nations have ever said about Australia. And if we do that, I am pretty sure it won't all be complimentary. Let's not open up that can of worms. Australia is a great place to live, but let's not brag about it to people.
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Given the scale of the map on the page, it would be all but impossible to make out the borders of Kosovo, which after all is a very small country. In fact it is very hard to make out national borders at all on the map. So from the point of view of this page, the change would not be beneficial.
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Noetica - are you Australian or aware of the Australian style of writing? I went to the effort of fixing up an article to remove a very NON Australian habit with commas which you then reverted: that's just pointless. This article NEEDS to have the commas fixed to suit the Australian preferred.
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I'm sure some would argue with the interpretation you quote, but whether it is correct or not, there is no contradiction between being a federal monarchy and a consitutional monarchy. The term "constitional monarchy" does not imply that the constitution requires a monarchy, but that there is a
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by England, in the introduction. I don't want to write it out tonight, but soon. Soon. ... anyway. I don't think it's OK to forestall a reasoned debate on the inclusion of the aforementioned reasonably pointless bit of minutae because people haven't taken the time to pore through tomes of past
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names and defines limits for its own bodies of water such as the Bight. For international oceans, though, they simply are the authority, and that is recognized worldwide and in WP, even when they unfortunately ignore common practices such as where Australians usually place the "Southern Ocean.
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Given the scale of the map on the page, it would be all but impossible to make out the borders of Kosovo, which after all is a very small country. In fact it is very hard to make out national borders at all on the map. So from the point of view of this page, the change would not be beneficial.
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Noetica - are you Australian or aware of the Australian style of writing? I went to the effort of fixing up an article to remove a very NON Australian habit with commas which you then reverted: that's just pointless. This article NEEDS to have the commas fixed to suit the Australian preferred.
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I'm sure some would argue with the interpretation you quote, but whether it is correct or not, there is no contradiction between being a federal monarchy and a consitutional monarchy. The term "constitional monarchy" does not imply that the constitution requires a monarchy, but that there is a
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by England, in the introduction. I don't want to write it out tonight, but soon. Soon. ... anyway. I don't think it's OK to forestall a reasoned debate on the inclusion of the aforementioned reasonably pointless bit of minutae because people haven't taken the time to pore through tomes of past
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names and defines limits for its own bodies of water such as the Bight. For international oceans, though, they simply are the authority, and that is recognized worldwide and in WP, even when they unfortunately ignore common practices such as where Australians usually place the "Southern Ocean.
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The Oxford style guide is not an Australian guide. Of course it would promote the use of OXFORD COMMAS. We have an Australian guide that has been mentioned: the parliamentary one. Since there are no other AUSTRALIAN guides which suggest the use of the oxford/serial comma: I suggest we use the
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The Oxford style guide is not an Australian guide. Of course it would promote the use of OXFORD COMMAS. We have an Australian guide that has been mentioned: the parliamentary one. Since there are no other AUSTRALIAN guides which suggest the use of the oxford/serial comma: I suggest we use the
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As so far the only reference we have that suggests using oxford/serial commas is Oxford. We also have Australian government/parliamentary style guides suggesting they are to be avoided, a page or two (including wikipedia) on grammar suggesting Australians don't like them, several Australians
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Judging by the results of the recent (2007-11) election, there are two major parties, and two minor parties (Greens and National) with enough support to have more than a single seat in the Senate, or any seats in the HOR. Per Ryan's point, the Greens have more overall voting support than the
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As so far the only reference we have that suggests using oxford/serial commas is Oxford. We also have Australian government/parliamentary style guides suggesting they are to be avoided, a page or two (including wikipedia) on grammar suggesting Australians don't like them, several Australians
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Judging by the results of the recent (2007-11) election, there are two major parties, and two minor parties (Greens and National) with enough support to have more than a single seat in the Senate, or any seats in the HOR. Per Ryan's point, the Greens have more overall voting support than the
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of NSW, where I am) and is used to highlight that only a small proportion of Australians live in rurual areas. Even the Perth image provides the reader of a view of (allegedly) the most expensive place in Australia. All the Uluru image does is show Uluru. I'll expand on this in the next
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of NSW, where I am) and is used to highlight that only a small proportion of Australians live in rurual areas. Even the Perth image provides the reader of a view of (allegedly) the most expensive place in Australia. All the Uluru image does is show Uluru. I'll expand on this in the next
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obscure to most readers of Knowledge. Very few would have heard of it at all, let alone heard it. Our readers come to Knowledge seeking knowledge, not things they already know, and while it is our responsibility to package the information, it isn't appropriate to predigest it as well.
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obscure to most readers of Knowledge. Very few would have heard of it at all, let alone heard it. Our readers come to Knowledge seeking knowledge, not things they already know, and while it is our responsibility to package the information, it isn't appropriate to predigest it as well.
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In such an equivocal situation, it is best to stick to the practice that is most established in the article. For a long time that style has included uniform use of the serial comma; therefore we should stick with that! Consistency is a core desideratum in articles at Knowledge (see
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In such an equivocal situation, it is best to stick to the practice that is most established in the article. For a long time that style has included uniform use of the serial comma; therefore we should stick with that! Consistency is a core desideratum in articles at Knowledge (see
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Thinking about it further - so perhaps there is someone who wants to make Australias designated southern ocean region the indian ocean because he finds secondary sources that claim that, and wants to remove any claims that australia has made to designate that area as the southern
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Thinking about it further - so perhaps there is someone who wants to make Australias designated southern ocean region the indian ocean because he finds secondary sources that claim that, and wants to remove any claims that australia has made to designate that area as the southern
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may be a FA, I disagree with you. I think it has far too many images (3 are extremely similar) and there is a large amount of whitespace at 1280x1024 and above that detracts from the article. Being FA doesn't mean the article is perfect and FAs can have their FA status removed.
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may be a FA, I disagree with you. I think it has far too many images (3 are extremely similar) and there is a large amount of whitespace at 1280x1024 and above that detracts from the article. Being FA doesn't mean the article is perfect and FAs can have their FA status removed.
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I know. I also know it's of little relevance, but it is still procedural. It's important to have a world that Australia recognizes, not an outdated map. Australia is part of the world and it can't ignore the changes that happen, especially those they have approved themselves.
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I know. I also know it's of little relevance, but it is still procedural. It's important to have a world that Australia recognizes, not an outdated map. Australia is part of the world and it can't ignore the changes that happen, especially those they have approved themselves.
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Could you be more specific about where you're seeing this? The main article hasn't been edited since several hours before you posted this, but I can't find a population figure in the article that's sourced to the US census instead of the Australian one. Am I just missing it?
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Could you be more specific about where you're seeing this? The main article hasn't been edited since several hours before you posted this, but I can't find a population figure in the article that's sourced to the US census instead of the Australian one. Am I just missing it?
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of the IAU. Canada's Arctic waters are described as being a disputed claim, based on international status rather than the position of the "local" government.) Please note that the changes go to great lengths to point out the local difference, through footnotes and even a
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of the IAU. Canada's Arctic waters are described as being a disputed claim, based on international status rather than the position of the "local" government.) Please note that the changes go to great lengths to point out the local difference, through footnotes and even a
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I disagree. Historically the Nationals win about 10% of the seats in the house of reps, which although is admittedly well off the pace of the Labor or Liberal parties, is significant, and constitutes a major party. It is my opinion that the article should stay as is.
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I disagree. Historically the Nationals win about 10% of the seats in the house of reps, which although is admittedly well off the pace of the Labor or Liberal parties, is significant, and constitutes a major party. It is my opinion that the article should stay as is.
7614:'s severed head in this article. And in regards to the notion that children don't get taught about that part of history, I studied history last year in high school for my TEE, and we spent a hell of a lot of time on WWII and the possibility of a Japanese invasion. 2510:'s severed head in this article. And in regards to the notion that children don't get taught about that part of history, I studied history last year in high school for my TEE, and we spent a hell of a lot of time on WWII and the possibility of a Japanese invasion. 7319:
Plate 14 (Australia, West) labels the Indian Ocean in the small strip of water on the west side of the map, and the Great Australian Bight to the south. Not really evidence, but there is more space to have written Indian Ocean at the south, if that is what they
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Plate 14 (Australia, West) labels the Indian Ocean in the small strip of water on the west side of the map, and the Great Australian Bight to the south. Not really evidence, but there is more space to have written Indian Ocean at the south, if that is what they
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could still be criticized or opposed by the argument of “higher” or “lower” angles. So that the old images in Knowledge articles would be stuck there forever and the discussion of the image improvement in an article of Knowledge could be endless. If the
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could still be criticized or opposed by the argument of “higher” or “lower” angles. So that the old images in Knowledge articles would be stuck there forever and the discussion of the image improvement in an article of Knowledge could be endless. If the
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Hansard is used in all parliamentary documents, transcripts of proceedings, etc., so I do think it has some official relevance. But it probably is not used for government documents or external publications, which is what the AGPS style guide is for.
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Hansard is used in all parliamentary documents, transcripts of proceedings, etc., so I do think it has some official relevance. But it probably is not used for government documents or external publications, which is what the AGPS style guide is for.
63: 11336:. Your image is taken from a high angle and shows the very "centre" of Sydney while the previous image is taken from a lower angle and gives a better idea of the extent of urban sprawl in Sydney. Your image is prettier but it's not as informative. 6232:. Your image is taken from a high angle and shows the very "centre" of Sydney while the previous image is taken from a lower angle and gives a better idea of the extent of urban sprawl in Sydney. Your image is prettier but it's not as informative. 11128:
You should care what the map was spawned about since it shows that your theory on what the map is supposed to represent to be wrong. It really doesn't matter whether or not Kosovo has borders since it's not relevant to the article. And please,
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You should care what the map was spawned about since it shows that your theory on what the map is supposed to represent to be wrong. It really doesn't matter whether or not Kosovo has borders since it's not relevant to the article. And please,
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says that only 14 countries voted in favour of using the name "Southern Ocean" and defining it to be no further north than 60° South. That's not many countries, even out of only 68 members of the IHO. Neither article says what countries are
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to scan accurately some rather complex lists with complex items and interpolations. The reader is helped by having a consistent expectation concerning the serial comma, which should not be subverted simply on spurious "nationalist" grounds.
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to scan accurately some rather complex lists with complex items and interpolations. The reader is helped by having a consistent expectation concerning the serial comma, which should not be subverted simply on spurious "nationalist" grounds.
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I'm afraid someone may find this disrespectful. Kosovo is a small country and it can hardly be seen in this large-scale map, but it should be included just like other non-populated islands are. I will now take the matter to Wiki Commons.
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and misreads a reader. Undue weight is a POV problem. Thus there was a clear footnote (which you've removed several times) actually providing an in-depth explanation. Can you claim that the Royal Anthem is not just a technical obscurity?
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I'm afraid someone may find this disrespectful. Kosovo is a small country and it can hardly be seen in this large-scale map, but it should be included just like other non-populated islands are. I will now take the matter to Wiki Commons.
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and misreads a reader. Undue weight is a POV problem. Thus there was a clear footnote (which you've removed several times) actually providing an in-depth explanation. Can you claim that the Royal Anthem is not just a technical obscurity?
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What I am trying to say is that the backdate is just to deal with the past and doesn't change the date the law actually came into force. As I said in my last edit, I apply the same logic to the Constitution, which came into force on
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Australia is clearly a constitutional monarchy. This is outlined in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act. The High Court of Australia has also ruled that The Australian Crown exists quite separately from any British Crown.
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What I am trying to say is that the backdate is just to deal with the past and doesn't change the date the law actually came into force. As I said in my last edit, I apply the same logic to the Constitution, which came into force on
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Australia is clearly a constitutional monarchy. This is outlined in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act. The High Court of Australia has also ruled that The Australian Crown exists quite separately from any British Crown.
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I'd have to agree: I've never heard the term "socialised medicine" used in Australia (or "socialized" if you're from the USA). It's like roads, police/fire, water and education: universally needed and supplied regardless of income.
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argument. By the way, did you know that in recent Australian history it has generally been monarchists that have played down the significance of the Queen and the royal anthem, not anti-monarchists? Also, one of the editors arguing
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I'd have to agree: I've never heard the term "socialised medicine" used in Australia (or "socialized" if you're from the USA). It's like roads, police/fire, water and education: universally needed and supplied regardless of income.
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argument. By the way, did you know that in recent Australian history it has generally been monarchists that have played down the significance of the Queen and the royal anthem, not anti-monarchists? Also, one of the editors arguing
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style. Since there is no settled national style to appeal to, keep to the style that is most apt in a serious encyclopaedic article of this sort, and which was already established in this article: default use of the serial comma.
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style. Since there is no settled national style to appeal to, keep to the style that is most apt in a serious encyclopaedic article of this sort, and which was already established in this article: default use of the serial comma.
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Since all that is so, it is simply an error to suggest the existence of an Australian standard against the serial comma, in publications of the sort we are engaged in here. It may also be an error to assert the existence of the
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Since all that is so, it is simply an error to suggest the existence of an Australian standard against the serial comma, in publications of the sort we are engaged in here. It may also be an error to assert the existence of the
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I'll also point out that very little is set in stone in Knowledge, that none of the things you have referred to are actually "guidelines", that the notion of a featured article is changing over time (as are the articles - both
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I'll also point out that very little is set in stone in Knowledge, that none of the things you have referred to are actually "guidelines", that the notion of a featured article is changing over time (as are the articles - both
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Thank you, Aussielegend. As someone who has laboured to counter the neglect punctuation suffers in our Australian schools (working with tertiary students in NSW and Victoria), I have little confidence in such anecdotes. I see
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Thank you, Aussielegend. As someone who has laboured to counter the neglect punctuation suffers in our Australian schools (working with tertiary students in NSW and Victoria), I have little confidence in such anecdotes. I see
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on the Australian Government website makes no mention of the Royal Anthem at all. Given this page stands as it was under the previous, decidedly royalist, government, accusations of political bias seem to wear rather thin.
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My concern with the footnotes is twofold: 1) when reading the article, they look like references supporting the "Indian Ocean" rather than actually a footnote explaining a disputed title. 2) The footnotes have been phrased
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on the Australian Government website makes no mention of the Royal Anthem at all. Given this page stands as it was under the previous, decidedly royalist, government, accusations of political bias seem to wear rather thin.
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My concern with the footnotes is twofold: 1) when reading the article, they look like references supporting the "Indian Ocean" rather than actually a footnote explaining a disputed title. 2) The footnotes have been phrased
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Commonwealth realm articles without checking the individual situations, that was a mistake. It would be fairer to say that some countries have GSTQ as a royal anthem for the same reasons that they are Commonwealth realms.
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Commonwealth realm articles without checking the individual situations, that was a mistake. It would be fairer to say that some countries have GSTQ as a royal anthem for the same reasons that they are Commonwealth realms.
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a) re-removing serial/"oxford" commas (except in cases where it is ambiguous e.g. "Vegemite, peanut butter and honey, and jam sandwiches" might be an example of a sentence that needs it) to make it match the Australian
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a) re-removing serial/"oxford" commas (except in cases where it is ambiguous e.g. "Vegemite, peanut butter and honey, and jam sandwiches" might be an example of a sentence that needs it) to make it match the Australian
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I note that you've made the same request on many pages. If you're so keen for the change to occur, you could always make the maps and do the changes yourself. That said, I agree with Michael Johnson. It would be
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I note that you've made the same request on many pages. If you're so keen for the change to occur, you could always make the maps and do the changes yourself. That said, I agree with Michael Johnson. It would be
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good is just one of the factors we must consider. Noone actually disagrees with the statement, it is just that it does not overule the idea that images are there to illustrate the article, not simply look good.
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commenting on this talk page who grew up learning that they are not the preferred Australian way, newspapers like Sydney morning herald/The Australian/AP etc who do not use them except when faced with ambiguity.
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Agree - although I actually see a lot of sense in serial commas, i agree that they should be removed for consistency. We either use "Aussie English", or we argue over each point, eg, spelling, then commas, etc.
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good is just one of the factors we must consider. Noone actually disagrees with the statement, it is just that it does not overule the idea that images are there to illustrate the article, not simply look good.
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commenting on this talk page who grew up learning that they are not the preferred Australian way, newspapers like Sydney morning herald/The Australian/AP etc who do not use them except when faced with ambiguity.
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Agree - although I actually see a lot of sense in serial commas, i agree that they should be removed for consistency. We either use "Aussie English", or we argue over each point, eg, spelling, then commas, etc.
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the inclusion of the royal anthem has previously caused controversy by insisting that Australia is a "crowned republic", and yet you are saying that this is the viewpoint of those opposing the inclusion of the
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the inclusion of the royal anthem has previously caused controversy by insisting that Australia is a "crowned republic", and yet you are saying that this is the viewpoint of those opposing the inclusion of the
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Sounds pretty spurious to me. The concept of the divided crown is a familiar one, but I can't see any reason to describe Australia as a federal monarchy rather than the more familiar constitutional monarchy.
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Sounds pretty spurious to me. The concept of the divided crown is a familiar one, but I can't see any reason to describe Australia as a federal monarchy rather than the more familiar constitutional monarchy.
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it to describe the political system in Australia is not encyclopedic. As for consistency with Canada, I don't edit the Canadian page, as I am not familiar with their political system., so can't comment. --
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it to describe the political system in Australia is not encyclopedic. As for consistency with Canada, I don't edit the Canadian page, as I am not familiar with their political system., so can't comment. --
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Why, for Kosovo it doesn't matter whether there are borders, while for all the other countries in the world it does? Why wasn't the map entirely blank with only Australia marked? Please be reasonable.
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argument - maybe the royal anthem shouldn't be included in all the other realms' infoboxes either. I have my doubts as to whether it is actually true in all cases, let alone appropriate for an infobox.
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Why, for Kosovo it doesn't matter whether there are borders, while for all the other countries in the world it does? Why wasn't the map entirely blank with only Australia marked? Please be reasonable.
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argument - maybe the royal anthem shouldn't be included in all the other realms' infoboxes either. I have my doubts as to whether it is actually true in all cases, let alone appropriate for an infobox.
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New optical and radiocarbon dates from Ngarrabullgan Cave, a Pleistocene archaeological site in Australia: Implications for the comparability of time clocks and for the human colonization of Australia.
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Uh. OK. If someone suggests that the National Anthem has the same importance and status as the Royal anthem then they are not an idiot, they are something else equally stupid. Advance Australia Fair
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Uh. OK. If someone suggests that the National Anthem has the same importance and status as the Royal anthem then they are not an idiot, they are something else equally stupid. Advance Australia Fair
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It is true. We should have at least a paragraph on our relationship. Trans-Tasman government committees are routine. The NZ government stationed a squadron of strike aircraft here for some years. --
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It is true. We should have at least a paragraph on our relationship. Trans-Tasman government committees are routine. The NZ government stationed a squadron of strike aircraft here for some years. --
2411:) to suggest that most Australians have a false view of the world, rather than identifying that the IHO name is different to the official Australian name. To choose another comparative example, the 8542:
election night. John Howard is still the PM today, and tomorrow, and Monday, and every day after that until Kevin Rudd is actually sworn into office by the Governor General approximately two weeks
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Your comment is inaccurate until such time as Howard accepts defeat. This has not occured as at 10.29pm and I will maintain the protection until that occurs. Thank you however for your interest.--
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election night. John Howard is still the PM today, and tomorrow, and Monday, and every day after that until Kevin Rudd is actually sworn into office by the Governor General approximately two weeks
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Your comment is inaccurate until such time as Howard accepts defeat. This has not occured as at 10.29pm and I will maintain the protection until that occurs. Thank you however for your interest.--
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WP:BOLD is not an automatic answer to any and all content queries. Due to the suspicious lack of infoboxes I was wondering whether or not there's a consensus or something not to include them, eg.
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WP:BOLD is not an automatic answer to any and all content queries. Due to the suspicious lack of infoboxes I was wondering whether or not there's a consensus or something not to include them, eg.
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If it is ok, I'll re-apply the de-serialising changes I made to the article, update the header comment paying special attention to the two or three sentences which may need serial/oxford commas.
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Eg, "The neighbouring countries are Indonesia, East Timor and Papua New Guinea to the north, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and New Caledonia to the north-east, and New Zealand to the south-east."
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If it is ok, I'll re-apply the de-serialising changes I made to the article, update the header comment paying special attention to the two or three sentences which may need serial/oxford commas.
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Eg, "The neighbouring countries are Indonesia, East Timor and Papua New Guinea to the north, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and New Caledonia to the north-east, and New Zealand to the south-east."
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respected in Australia. The manual recommends the Macquarie Dictionary and the Australian Oxford, which is better, in my opinion (as someone who has studied these dictionaries for twenty years).
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Please read all the other discussions about it - you are not the first to bring this up. Decision has been made by the community. Can you explain specifically why we need to copy other articles?
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I notice that the links for the 'census' table links to the United States census! This needs to be fixed. Also, Australia doesn't have censii in 1990, 2000, etc, but in 1991, 1996, 2001, 2006.
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respected in Australia. The manual recommends the Macquarie Dictionary and the Australian Oxford, which is better, in my opinion (as someone who has studied these dictionaries for twenty years).
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Please read all the other discussions about it - you are not the first to bring this up. Decision has been made by the community. Can you explain specifically why we need to copy other articles?
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I notice that the links for the 'census' table links to the United States census! This needs to be fixed. Also, Australia doesn't have censii in 1990, 2000, etc, but in 1991, 1996, 2001, 2006.
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Having been involved in arguments with cartographers about perpetuated errors in tourist maps of Indonesia and their sheer belligerence in maintaining obvious errors I am sorry but most of the
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Having been involved in arguments with cartographers about perpetuated errors in tourist maps of Indonesia and their sheer belligerence in maintaining obvious errors I am sorry but most of the
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The 2006 consensus website has some good information. I read that a growing number of people are claiming no religion, almost the same as the number of anglicans. Should this be mentioned? --
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So do you have an Australian reference that says to use commas in the fashion you reverted to protect? I haven't been able to find one or any popular use of the "serial comma"/"Oxford comma".
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The 2006 consensus website has some good information. I read that a growing number of people are claiming no religion, almost the same as the number of anglicans. Should this be mentioned? --
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So do you have an Australian reference that says to use commas in the fashion you reverted to protect? I haven't been able to find one or any popular use of the "serial comma"/"Oxford comma".
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a consistent Australian practice for the serial comma, I would agree that we should generally follow it. But there is not, neither for uniform use of it nor for uniform avoidance of it. See
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This needs fixing. This is very much an American style, not an Australian (or British) one. We use: The first, the second and the last. The hidden comment is wrong and needs to be fixed up.
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is not the same as the status of "official royal anthem". The royal anthem doesn't even have the same status in all the different Commonwealth realms. The different realms' infoboxes should
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I found a 9th Edition Times Atlas (1992) at work. It does not support the assertion that the Southern Ocean only extends to 60° S, nor that the water south of Australia is the Indian Ocean:
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a consistent Australian practice for the serial comma, I would agree that we should generally follow it. But there is not, neither for uniform use of it nor for uniform avoidance of it. See
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This needs fixing. This is very much an American style, not an Australian (or British) one. We use: The first, the second and the last. The hidden comment is wrong and needs to be fixed up.
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is not the same as the status of "official royal anthem". The royal anthem doesn't even have the same status in all the different Commonwealth realms. The different realms' infoboxes should
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I found a 9th Edition Times Atlas (1992) at work. It does not support the assertion that the Southern Ocean only extends to 60° S, nor that the water south of Australia is the Indian Ocean:
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Technically the PM would be vacant with JH the incumbent being a "caretaker" PM until KR is confirmed by the party and sworn in as PM by the Governor General this normally takes 7-10 days.
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Technically the PM would be vacant with JH the incumbent being a "caretaker" PM until KR is confirmed by the party and sworn in as PM by the Governor General this normally takes 7-10 days.
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separately in some order. (GoodDay, you seem to be implying that "federal monarchy" is actually a common term in Canada - if so, perhaps you could provide some sources for that article?)
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separately in some order. (GoodDay, you seem to be implying that "federal monarchy" is actually a common term in Canada - if so, perhaps you could provide some sources for that article?)
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The paper referred to in the article (which I have only seen the abstract of, as I cannot find it for free on my uni databases) says 42 to 48k years, not 40k as mentioned in the article.
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FWIW, I think that if we're going to stick to Australian English, we really should stick to Australian styles. I have no problems with editing out the serial commas as appropriate. --
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FWIW, I think that if we're going to stick to Australian English, we really should stick to Australian styles. I have no problems with editing out the serial commas as appropriate. --
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Plate 10 (Australia) carries the Indian Ocean name only North of Dampier, but only names the Great Australian Bight, Bass Strait and Tasman Sea in the south. (no evidence either way)
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Plate 10 (Australia) carries the Indian Ocean name only North of Dampier, but only names the Great Australian Bight, Bass Strait and Tasman Sea in the south. (no evidence either way)
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while a gaol is also a prison. In Australia gaol and jail mean the same thing so the Australian "jail" has a different meaning to the American "jail". There is more information at
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Considering Australia's foundations as a British settler colony, the majority of those reporting 'Australian' ancestry are presumably of Anglo-Celtic origin, many generations back.
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while a gaol is also a prison. In Australia gaol and jail mean the same thing so the Australian "jail" has a different meaning to the American "jail". There is more information at
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Considering Australia's foundations as a British settler colony, the majority of those reporting 'Australian' ancestry are presumably of Anglo-Celtic origin, many generations back.
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In the demography section there is a sidebar with historical population numbers by year. when you click on the year it sends you to the article about the US census of that year.--
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This seems as good a place as any to try to centralise a discussion on what the name of the wet stuff immediately south of Australia is called. Here's what I've discovered so far:
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In the demography section there is a sidebar with historical population numbers by year. when you click on the year it sends you to the article about the US census of that year.--
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This seems as good a place as any to try to centralise a discussion on what the name of the wet stuff immediately south of Australia is called. Here's what I've discovered so far:
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Just a point on the first human occupation of Australia...I had it in my head that Australia had been occupied for 50 or 60k years, rather than the 40k mentioned in the article.
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Yes it would be an extremely ridiculous and incorrect move clearly not illustrating the current reality of Australia governance and ignoring the referendum of November 1999.
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Yes it would be an extremely ridiculous and incorrect move clearly not illustrating the current reality of Australia governance and ignoring the referendum of November 1999.
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Second, it is not true that there is a well-documented and clear preference against the serial comma in Australian usage: nor in any other usage, I should add. (For British
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Second, it is not true that there is a well-documented and clear preference against the serial comma in Australian usage: nor in any other usage, I should add. (For British
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doesn't imply an instantaneous change of government, but it's an acknowledgment of the reality of the outcome of the election. It would have been extremely odd if Howard
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I'm not sure I see your point about Pluto. Are you saying that Knowledge describes it as a dwarf planet despite the local Plutonian government saying it's a fullsized one?
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doesn't imply an instantaneous change of government, but it's an acknowledgment of the reality of the outcome of the election. It would have been extremely odd if Howard
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I'm not sure I see your point about Pluto. Are you saying that Knowledge describes it as a dwarf planet despite the local Plutonian government saying it's a fullsized one?
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since 2004 although there are many images within the article. Having said that, it does not mean the article of Australia should copy the same format like the article of
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has the countries divided and is used, as we have already pointed out, simply to show Australia's location in the world. Further, if you continue to click through to the
11290:(1)The pic of Sydney Harbour is meant to show the urban nature, not to look pretty. It is arguable that your pic is better, but it does not show the urban nature better. 8154:- I appreciate you want to get exposure for your website Shaun but I don't think wikipedia is the place. I cannot support the inclusion of this link at this time as per 6186:(1)The pic of Sydney Harbour is meant to show the urban nature, not to look pretty. It is arguable that your pic is better, but it does not show the urban nature better. 3050:- I appreciate you want to get exposure for your website Shaun but I don't think wikipedia is the place. I cannot support the inclusion of this link at this time as per 11392:
Whenever images are included in Knowledge, it makes a big difference if they look good. When they do, an article appears more professional and is more pleasant to read.
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Whenever images are included in Knowledge, it makes a big difference if they look good. When they do, an article appears more professional and is more pleasant to read.
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Anthem is regularly sung all the time all over the place, whereas the Royal Anthem only ever surfaces when the Queen is here (and we even quibble whether we'll use it
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Anthem is regularly sung all the time all over the place, whereas the Royal Anthem only ever surfaces when the Queen is here (and we even quibble whether we'll use it
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Do you have a reference for that? Or is that just your personal opinion? If you can reference it, then we can discuss whether it would be appropiate to include it. --
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Do you have a reference for that? Or is that just your personal opinion? If you can reference it, then we can discuss whether it would be appropiate to include it. --
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I agree. The page has already been fully protected due to edit warring until December 24, but I'd be happy to unprotect the page after this dispute has been solved.
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I agree. The page has already been fully protected due to edit warring until December 24, but I'd be happy to unprotect the page after this dispute has been solved.
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Knowledge says to use the style that is appropriate to the country if it is a country specific page. Can't get much more about Australia than the page on Australia.
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Not so, Nathanlee. For a start, the hidden comment did not claim that serial commas were Australian style: only that they had been used consistently in the article:
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Knowledge says to use the style that is appropriate to the country if it is a country specific page. Can't get much more about Australia than the page on Australia.
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Not so, Nathanlee. For a start, the hidden comment did not claim that serial commas were Australian style: only that they had been used consistently in the article:
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I'm not sure how to reference these types of things properly, so I'm not really going to try. There are enough details there for you all to see what I'm on about.
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I'll believe you on what the AGPS prefers, as I've never read it and this is the first time I've heard of it. Do you know where I can get my hands on a copy? –
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yields 34 results, only 6 of which are south of 60° South latitude. Particularly relevant to this discussion is the third match, at 35°0'S, 115°0'E, from chart
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I'll believe you on what the AGPS prefers, as I've never read it and this is the first time I've heard of it. Do you know where I can get my hands on a copy? –
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yields 34 results, only 6 of which are south of 60° South latitude. Particularly relevant to this discussion is the third match, at 35°0'S, 115°0'E, from chart
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Claims that Merbabu is the only editor who objects to the extra line in the infobox, after having been pointed to evidence that at least 10 editors object.
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conceded defeat given the loss of coalition seats to Labor; courtesy would have demanded that Rudd cool his heels before being able to claim victory. --
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conceded defeat given the loss of coalition seats to Labor; courtesy would have demanded that Rudd cool his heels before being able to claim victory. --
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Plate 9 (The Orient : Pacific Islands) main map has Indian Ocean labeled north of 20° S, and the Southern Ocean labeled just below 50° S, written between
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One wonders who you are to judge the Collins Dictionary? Macquarie is hardly a respected dictionary. "Connection" is not a word in the english language.
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policy. You have yet to give one reason why it should be included, let alone addressed the arguments given. Your arguments have been extremely spurious:
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Yep, it uses {{USCensusPop}} hence the programmatic US links. We could probably subst it and then alter the links, but I'm short of time currently... --
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One wonders who you are to judge the Collins Dictionary? Macquarie is hardly a respected dictionary. "Connection" is not a word in the english language.
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Yep, it uses {{USCensusPop}} hence the programmatic US links. We could probably subst it and then alter the links, but I'm short of time currently... --
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use is appropriate. Since Australian English is based on British English, British texts would be more authoritative than U.S. texts on this subject. --
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Why stop? They take up a few bytes and are below the entire article, they aren't in the way. But I was just curious why there aren't any. That's all. +
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It's beginning to sound like the suggestion of an article about name and extent is useful. I'm not sure if it should be a separate article, or part of
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use is appropriate. Since Australian English is based on British English, British texts would be more authoritative than U.S. texts on this subject. --
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Why stop? They take up a few bytes and are below the entire article, they aren't in the way. But I was just curious why there aren't any. That's all. +
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objects to (and the similar "federal republic") was created simply to be a handy link in these cases, but perhaps it would be better to have the links
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No because Prime Ministers are not directly elected. Though it would be no more innacurate than saying Kevin Rudd *is* Prime Minister, when he isn't.
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No because Prime Ministers are not directly elected. Though it would be no more innacurate than saying Kevin Rudd *is* Prime Minister, when he isn't.
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You do mean navboxes, not infoboxes. They tend to get removed/moved to more specific articles fairly quickly - where do you stop with these things?
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You do mean navboxes, not infoboxes. They tend to get removed/moved to more specific articles fairly quickly - where do you stop with these things?
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about Australia, used by thousands of kids. It is a horrible and entirely unnecessary pic for the kiddies to look at, doing their school projects.
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about Australia, used by thousands of kids. It is a horrible and entirely unnecessary pic for the kiddies to look at, doing their school projects.
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I did a bit of research (uni database trawling) and found a paper by Bruno David, Richard Roberts, Claudio Tuniz, Rhys Jones, John Head that says:
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top 3 parties by HOR representation. We should state the top 6 parties by the number of first preference votes they each receive Australia wide.
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I don't want to throw a spanner in everyones works but why don't we just describe Australia the same way it is described on federal government
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I don't want to throw a spanner in everyones works but why don't we just describe Australia the same way it is described on federal government
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likewise a terrible argument in any context. If you can't see what is wrong with these arguments, at least read the discussion in the archive.
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by the decision, or whether it needs to be (or has been) ratified by their respective governments. Just because the IHO has decreed something
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likewise a terrible argument in any context. If you can't see what is wrong with these arguments, at least read the discussion in the archive.
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by the decision, or whether it needs to be (or has been) ratified by their respective governments. Just because the IHO has decreed something
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Be bold and add appropriate templates, but you may want to look up the syntax for collapsing and merging them together in one block first. --
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This is incorrect. Quentin Bryce is only the Governor General designate and will not become the Governor General until she is sworn in on
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This is incorrect. Quentin Bryce is only the Governor General designate and will not become the Governor General until she is sworn in on
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1024x768, 1280x1024 and probably 800x600 as a minimum. I've just had to adjust the same image again after I fixed it a day or two ago. --
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1024x768, 1280x1024 and probably 800x600 as a minimum. I've just had to adjust the same image again after I fixed it a day or two ago. --
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Good pick up - since removed by a bot (robot). Feel free to revert yourself where you are sure it is vandalism like that clearly was.--
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zoomed view. Anyway, what I understood from the context of these replies is that I have permission to create a map with Kosovo. Thanks.
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This quote from above seems plainly wrong to me. As far as I know, the succession to the head of state in Australia is regulated by the
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Good pick up - since removed by a bot (robot). Feel free to revert yourself where you are sure it is vandalism like that clearly was.--
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zoomed view. Anyway, what I understood from the context of these replies is that I have permission to create a map with Kosovo. Thanks.
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This quote from above seems plainly wrong to me. As far as I know, the succession to the head of state in Australia is regulated by the
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I sought to maintain consistency in such matters. Hence my editing of commas (some time back); and hence my wording in the hidden note.
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It belongs in the article about Australian prisoners of war. Older kids, doing research on this subject will find it appropriate there.
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I sought to maintain consistency in such matters. Hence my editing of commas (some time back); and hence my wording in the hidden note.
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It belongs in the article about Australian prisoners of war. Older kids, doing research on this subject will find it appropriate there.
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only an idiot would suggest that they have the same status or importance. They are different things and they have different labels. --
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only an idiot would suggest that they have the same status or importance. They are different things and they have different labels. --
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Bruno David, Richard Roberts, Claudio Tuniz, Rhys Jones, John Head. Antiquity. Cambridge: Mar 1997. Vol. 71, Iss. 271; pg. 183, 6 pgs.
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more or less demand one for clarity. Please, as I say: discuss such changes before making such a drastic stylistic change in future.
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more or less demand one for clarity. Please, as I say: discuss such changes before making such a drastic stylistic change in future.
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Sorry, but I've removed your email address: posting it anywhere on Knowledge is a sure way to be hit with massive volumes of spam.
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Sorry, but I've removed your email address: posting it anywhere on Knowledge is a sure way to be hit with massive volumes of spam.
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The only mention of the term "gaol" within this article is the image caption for the Port Arthur image under the History section.
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about it doesn't even mention Myanmar until nearly half way down the page, and only then to note that name is not used by the USA.
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The only mention of the term "gaol" within this article is the image caption for the Port Arthur image under the History section.
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I agree, we have more of the british english but we dont use the same way of speaking them. so Aussie english sounds good yeah.
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I agree, we have more of the british english but we dont use the same way of speaking them. so Aussie english sounds good yeah.
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Thanks for the quick reply, but Macquarie's at approx. 54 south - not in the Southern Ocean (per the official 60 degree line). --
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and 60S. On not a single map does "Southern Ocean" appear above 60S latitude, including all of those plates that you cite above.
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I agree with Amanda. I have removed it. That picture did not tell readers about Australia. The picture above to the left does.--
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I agree with Amanda. I have removed it. That picture did not tell readers about Australia. The picture above to the left does.--
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rhetoric on the matter. How very average would a journal be if it omitted irrefutable facts its editors didn't think much of.
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rhetoric on the matter. How very average would a journal be if it omitted irrefutable facts its editors didn't think much of.
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It is a constant reminder to every Japanese person who looks at this site of actions for which the many have expressed regret
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It is a constant reminder to every Japanese person who looks at this site of actions for which the many have expressed regret
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like most of the Western world. 'Socialised medicine' is a term that only gets used in American political arguments. -
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Fully protected until the prime minister delegate is officially instated prime minister delegate is officially instated
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like most of the Western world. 'Socialised medicine' is a term that only gets used in American political arguments. -
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It's an important point either way and should be changed back until a case can be made for the change. Am I right? --
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It's an important point either way and should be changed back until a case can be made for the change. Am I right? --
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I'm not going to read very much of that preceding fun exchange. The last comment Michael, shows you needed to find
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I'm not going to read very much of that preceding fun exchange. The last comment Michael, shows you needed to find
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Serial commas? I never claimed that they are Australian style. They are advocated in major style guides, though (
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authority (unfortunately). It started as a poor copy of a poor American original; and it hasn't got much better.
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is not denied, why not at least keep the better one?" You are assuming that "prettier" = "better". It does not.
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Plate 12 (Australia, South East) only names the Great Australian Bight and Bass Strait (no evidence either way)
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is not denied, why not at least keep the better one?" You are assuming that "prettier" = "better". It does not.
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As has been mentioned previously and now here again, putting the royal anthem on an equal footing is against
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11:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC) However I concur with Gnangnarra - for accuracy Rudd is only the incumbent.--
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Pics aren't placed to be pretty. They are placed to be informative and must relate directly to the article.
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that the effort involved is justified. It's not a case of disrespect, it's a case of sheer practicality. --
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11:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC) However I concur with Gnangnarra - for accuracy Rudd is only the incumbent.--
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Um, no... the current wording is generally in line wth most other Commonwealth realm infoboxes, which say
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the prose or add extra information that is significant. Neither the Uluru or Melbourne images do that. --
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the prose or add extra information that is significant. Neither the Uluru or Melbourne images do that. --
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the countries fastest growing city would be good. There are no photos of the countryside (except of the
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I'd like to mention some inadequacies regarding the images in this article. Queensland and especially
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and would appreciate further input, with references, or suggestions and questions on its talk page. --
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Bardhylius, if it bothers you that much, you can get yourself some software capable of editing SVGs (
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However you could, and probably should, take this up on the map's discussion page on Wiki Commons. --
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say "Federal Constitutional Monarchy", which redirects to Federal monarchy. I can't see the problem.
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Bardhylius, if it bothers you that much, you can get yourself some software capable of editing SVGs (
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However you could, and probably should, take this up on the map's discussion page on Wiki Commons. --
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say "Federal Constitutional Monarchy", which redirects to Federal monarchy. I can't see the problem.
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for that? "As Far As I Recall" is not sufficient; Knowledge requires sourcing for all assertions. --
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for that? "As Far As I Recall" is not sufficient; Knowledge requires sourcing for all assertions. --
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Tagged temporarily to the effect of "Please read this article's talk page before making edits", or;
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Tagged temporarily to the effect of "Please read this article's talk page before making edits", or;
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must be written in stone, obviously, that means the discussion would go nowhere in the subject of
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So if it's Early Modern English, we should modify the spelling then to the current form right?
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So if it's Early Modern English, we should modify the spelling then to the current form right?
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may be another example. There are many images well presented, especially under the section of
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the European invasion, however many Irish would object to being lumped into the "British". --
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the European invasion, however many Irish would object to being lumped into the "British". --
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On its own it probably doesn't qualify as vandalism but it's certainly unhelpful editing. --
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let's change the article accordingly. But without that case, there is no warrant for change.
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On its own it probably doesn't qualify as vandalism but it's certainly unhelpful editing. --
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let's change the article accordingly. But without that case, there is no warrant for change.
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Sorry to but in, but I mostly agree with Amanda and Scott here. I don't see any photos of
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Wow, if people start calling for 'constitional monarchy' to be changed to 'republic' and
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Wow, if people start calling for 'constitional monarchy' to be changed to 'republic' and
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Why is that a reason to have a Hervey Bay image? The article has enough images already.
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Why is that a reason to have a Hervey Bay image? The article has enough images already.
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an Americanisation in that Americans seem to prefer phoneticised spellings. In the USA
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It's protected because people are trying to do that. Read the two sections just above.
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It's protected because people are trying to do that. Read the two sections just above.
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Hear, hear! We are all those things seperately, but not all of them in one phrase. --
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Perhaps it should be listed as n/a or have (de facto) after it or something similar?
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What happens at other articles has limited, if any, bearing on this article. See
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which is a monarchy. Maybe we should call it a Federal Constitutional Monarchy.
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which is a monarchy. Maybe we should call it a Federal Constitutional Monarchy.
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It puts the description into one single phrase instead of two separate ones.
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an established Australian preference, then by all means let's see it; and
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Hear, hear!! In Australia, American forms of spelling are not accepted.
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Hear, hear!! In Australia, American forms of spelling are not accepted.
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I think this is something we should change, what say you wiki community?
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Australia is a federal constitutional monarchical parliamentary state.
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September last year. It's amazing what you can find when you look. --
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September last year. It's amazing what you can find when you look. --
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work blanking them out and blanking the borders wasn't justified. --
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to be removed from this article infobox? I'm gonna bite my eybrows.
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is a far more accurate estimate and that's what should be used. --
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is a far more accurate estimate and that's what should be used. --
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Yeah, your correct. The last time I pushed for consistancy (at
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into operation on the day it receives Royal Assent" which was
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the results of teachers' ignorance even of basic punctuation.
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Thanks. I'll see if I can find it in one of those stores. –
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would have so many different personal opinions against
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is one of Australia's most recognizable natural icons
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I am reverting your changes, as not having consensus.
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is one of Australia's most recognizable natural icons
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is not denied, why not at least keep the better one?
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I think the statement that Bass Strait and the 12006: 9620:dispute. The Aussies use different terminology. 4516:dispute. The Aussies use different terminology. 2981: 1627:, which aims to improve Knowledge's coverage of 1129:for general discussion of the article's subject. 942:, which aims to improve Knowledge's coverage of 444:for general discussion of the article's subject. 11420:would be definitely excluded. However, article 10958:"Advance Australia" was used as a motto on the 8790:This received a thorough thrashing-out over at 7644:is an example straight off the top of my head. 7379:identifies the water south of Australia as the 6316:would be definitely excluded. 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