266:::::If I were you, that would be the last time you accuse me of dishonesty. That is the sort of direct personal attack that WP considers completely unacceptable. This article is called "Operation Trio", not "Third Enemy Offensive". "Operation Trio" was just one of several operations that fall under the fairly vaguely defined "Third Enemy Offensive". Operation Trio ran from 20 April – 13 May 1942 in eastern Bosnia. It is a subset that didn't involve the Sandzak Muslim militia (according to sources you have yet to translate but which you are apparently relying on). YOU wanted to link THIS article (Operation Trio) to the article on the militia, because YOU stated that there were <u>many</u> sources that say that the militia participated in THIS operation (Operation Trio). You didn't say the militia participated in the "Third Enemy Offensive", you said "this operation" ie "Operation Trio". But they didn't participate in THIS operation (according to your sources, that don't even mention the words "Operation Trio"). I don't know how I can make it any clearer than that. ] (]) 00:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
259:::::If I were you, that would be the last time you accuse me of dishonesty. That is the sort of direct personal attack that WP considers completely unacceptable. This article is called "Operation Trio", not "Third Enemy Offensive". "Operation Trio" was just one of several operations that fall under the fairly vaguely defined "Third Enemy Offensive". Operation Trio ran from 20 April – 13 May 1942 in eastern Bosnia. It is a subset that didn't involve the Sandzak Muslim militia (according to sources you have yet to translate but which you are apparently relying on). YOU wanted to link THIS article (Operation Trio) to the article on the militia, because YOU stated that there were <u>many</u> sources that say that the militia participated in THIS operation (Operation Trio). You didn't say the militia participated in the "Third Enemy Offensive", you said "this operation" ie "Operation Trio". But they didn't participate in THIS operation (according to your sources, that don't even mention the words "Operation Trio"). I don't know how I can make it any clearer than that. ] (]) 00:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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through the relevant chapters and look at everything that happened in the area of operations between the start and end dates. Dangić fought the Black Legion immediately before the operation began (the
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fairly vaguely defined "Third Enemy
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They fought on their own side, which meant (at that time), try to avoid fighting against the
Germans, be at peace with the Italians, and attack the Ustashe and Partisans whenever you can. I advise you to read ZBORNIK DOKUMENATA I PODATAKA O NARODNOOSLOBODILAČKOM RATU NARODA JUGOSLAVIJE, KNJIGA 2. You
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problem. Francetic independently launched a separate offensive on his own initiative prior to this one taking place, thus this cannot be factored in the infobox and is in defiance of the quotes I listed above. Also, I can't stress enough how inappropriate it is to change sentences into something that
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I have the
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I'm still very busy with real-life studies (hopefully putting an end to them for good :)), so I won't be able to participate here (and probably won't reply for quite a while), but here's my two cents. Infoboxes can be modified to denote practically any and all changes in allegiance that can possibly
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It is far more complex than that, and in fact ignores references PRODUCER has... produced. I'm going to need some time to pull together all the references so we can see where the commonalities and variances are. We are close to 3RR at present, so I suggest we just stick with what the references that
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During the inter-allied military conference of
Opatija – organised to prepare the “Trio” anti-partisan operation planned to take place in Bosnia-Herzegovina between 20 April and 13 May 1942 – the Croats rejected an Italian proposal to involve the Chetniks of Bosnia-Herzegovina in the campaign. And,
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sources that say that the militia participated in THIS operation (Operation Trio). You didn't say the militia participated in the "Third Enemy
Offensive", you said "this operation" ie "Operation Trio". But they didn't participate in THIS operation (according to your sources, that don't even mention
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If I were you, that would be the last time you accuse me of dishonesty. That is the sort of direct personal attack that WP considers completely unacceptable. This article is called "Operation Trio", not "Third Enemy
Offensive". "Operation Trio" was just one of several operations that fall under the
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Operation Trio, also known as the Third Enemy
Offensive (Serbo-Croatian: Treća neprijateljska ofenziva) in Yugoslav Partisan historiography, was a large-scale German-Italian-Ustaša offensive carried out against the Partisans and Chetniks in southeastern Bosnia from March to June 1942.. The Chetniks
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I agree with PRODUCER, on reflection the question is what the scope of this article is. We could describe the Francetić operation as part of the Background as a preliminary op or prequel, but Tomasevich, Ramet and Hoare are all saying that Operation Trio proper involved Chetniks on the side of the
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It is clear from the quotes that you have pasted here that you a. don't know what you are talking about, or b. are purposely being obtuse. You have not produced a translated quote that shows that this militia (or some part of a Muslim militia) participated in Operation Trio. I have already pointed
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You clearly have no point other than to attempt to bait me. When you began this tirade, you seemed to think you had many sources that said that the Sandzak Muslim militia were involved in Operation Trio. You produced three (now four) above, none of which are English, and NONE of which support your
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That is a big assumption, particularly when it is at odds with what I have expressly and repeatedly stated about my language skills. I can use Google Translate to tell if the words "Operation Trio" are in a passage, regardless of what language it is, and the term just doesn't appear in the quotes
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The short answer is I don't know yet, the situation was very confused, and and it is hard to define clearly what a Chetnik was at this stage (leaving aside Dangić's and Račić's units). Hoare (who is the most comprehensive source for this) jumps around all over the place, and I'm having to go right
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I have moved this discussion here because User:Calapone has rightly raised the issue with User:PRODUCER. Chetniks were (at different stages and in different areas) on both sides of Operation Trio. We need to somehow reflect this in the article. In late March-early April, Francetić independently
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At a German-Italian-Croatian conference in Opatija (Abbazia) on the Istrian peninsula on March 2-3, 1942, a series of anti-Partisan operations was planned in eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina, Sandzak, Montenegro, western Bosnia, and Lika. However, only operations in eastern Bosnia by German and
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we have). So we need to decide what to do with the Ustaše offensive. If the article is only about Operation Trio, perhaps we need to limit it to that, and leave out the Ustaše offensive and Operation Foča. However, there doesn't appear to be sufficient WP:RS for Operation Foča to have its own
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Perhaps part of the problem is that we are currently including in the scope of this article the offensive launched by Francetić. He launched it without coordinating with the Germans, and strictly speaking (and according to Hoare) it is a prequel to Operation Trio,(Hoare p. 202-203 refers) and
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Yes I know, I was just reading that. But this article is about Trio, not the Italian-Chetnik operation which formed the latter part of the Third Enemy Offensive. That's why I haven't included them here. In Trio the Chetniks were a third force, but in the Italian-Chetnik operation they fought
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because you know that Yugoslav historiography uses "Third Enemy Offensive" instead of Operation Trio. Since you decided to continue with this approach you discouraged me from further editing here. This will be my last comment in this article. This page is removed from my watchlist. All the
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uložili su krajnje napore da likvidiraju slobodnu teritoriju i unište NOB u ovim pokrajinama. U proleće 1942. na teritoriji Sandžaka nalazile su se ove neprijateljske snage: italijanska divizija »Pusterija« i delovi divizije »Venecija«, zatim sandžački i delovi srbijanskih, crnogorskih i
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with the support of the Germans, they prevailed. But then, at a conference held in Ljubljana (28 and 29 March), it was decided to conclude temporary and non-political accords with the Chetniks of Herzegovina, but not with those of eastern Bosnia (and especially not Dangic’s Chetniks).
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Interesting. I am sure she is referring to the follow-up operation by the Italians in Herzegovina and Montenegro. In my view this again illustrates the difficulites of the "X enemy offensives" construct which Direktor and I have been discussing off and on for months
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It is very rude to continue to add sources and quotes in languages other than English when you have been repeatedly told that the editor you are communicating with doesn't read the lingo. Please provide translations if you wish to continue this discussion. Thanks,
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above. But Google Translate is very poor at providing translations of Cyrillic that are good enough to ensure context and meaning is clear, so I'm going to need translations of the above if you want to continue this conversation. Take your time, I'm in no hurry.
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Axis during the operation were from Herzegovina and Montenegro, and they never entered Eastern Bosnia (page 96). The book 2 says that there were 4000 Chetniks in Eastern Bosnia, and that some of them fought against the Germans and Ustashe (page 544). --
1616:"on April 15 the Germans, Croatian quisling troops, and Italians, with some help from the Chetniks, launched another large-scale offensive (the Third Enemy Offensive) in southeastern Bosnia, eastern Herzegovina, and Montenegro." Tomasevich (1975), p. 161
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1620:"only operations in eastern Bosnia by German and Croatian troops and in Montenegro and eastern Herzegovina by Italian and Montenegrin Chetnik forces were undertaken from March to June 1942 (the Third Enemy Offensive)." Tomasevich (2001), p. 414 --
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initial statement. NONE of them say anything about Operation Trio (according to Google Translate). If you claim one of them does, translate it here, now. If not, go and annoy someone else with your marginally comprehensible ramblings.
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infobox. If we're all clear on exactly who fought with who at any given time, the infobox can easily be made to depict this. (Sry if I'mmissing something, be back in a week or so.)
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where you extensively used work written on the same language (by Marjan). If you don't know the language why did you remove my sourced addition of Operation Trio here
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Ugh.. never understood this mess myself. This is probably the most complex "Offensive" of the war. Kudos on your efforts.
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