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cerevosoiae) (two hybrid/two-hybrid) (*nothing*/test/screen/screening/method/analysis). In total, that's 7x2x6 = 84 possible permutations! The list created can be used with another program (autoWikiBrowser, I think it's called) to quickly create redirects as appropriate. I want to make the file available to others to use, so that they may ease the irritating task of creating masses of redirects. If someone contacts me, I'll send it to them but if someone could find a long-term place to store it, then it could be made available from the
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redirects for both common names (snake species with many of these are legion) and taxonomic synonyms. I've been rather productive and these redirects now outnumber the articles by as much as 10:1. The redirects are numbered in the thousands. If you're interested, there are a few different types of these redirects that I would like to see deleted eventually, but I just wanted to make everyone here aware that the vast majority of them are important to the project. Cheers, --
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consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.
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where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.
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